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evil wasabi

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amiga's have kinda always been one empty void in my mind, and i figured its time i did something about it, which happens to be asking the nice folks of ng.com to teach me about em.

now i been reading this faq from 94, and while its sorta helpful, im sure its out of date, and it doesnt cover everything i want to know.

so i guess ill just list some questions...

first, what kind of amiga should i buy?
where would i buy it?
how much will it cost?
(i looked around ebay and had no idea what the hell i was doing so anything would be appreciated)

do amigas have LAN cards?
will it work with my win2k ics network?
there are web browsers and email clients too right?

what drives do amigas have? (cd-rom, and floppy right)

whats the dea with the new AmigaOS 4?

and what games should i get for it?

thanks :)
 

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an amiga 1200 is fkin cheap, and a great starting point, considering you could slot an '040 with MMU in and boot leenux, or run the new stuff.

I'm a bit out of touch with it now.
 

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kernow:
an amiga 1200 is fkin cheap, and a great starting point, considering you could slot an '040 with MMU in and boot leenux, or run the new stuff.

I'm a bit out of touch with it now.
i think i'm more confused loco

what about the commodore amigas, whats the deal with those?
 

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sonic1687:



first, what kind of amiga should i buy?
where would i buy it?
how much will it cost?
(i looked around ebay and had no idea what the hell i was doing so anything would be appreciated)

do amigas have LAN cards?
will it work with my win2k ics network?
there are web browsers and email clients too right?

what drives do amigas have? (cd-rom, and floppy right)

whats the dea with the new AmigaOS 4?

and what games should i get for it?

thanks :)
The kinda of Amiga you would want to buy would squarely depend on what you intend to do with it. If games are your #1 concern, I would say either an A500 or A1200. Both machines are in all in one design (minus the monitor, of course).

The A500 comes typically stock with a 7MHz 68000 CPU, anywhere from 512k to 2meg chip ram and double density floppy drive.

The A1200 comes stock with a 12MHz 68020 CPU, 2 megs chip ram, double density floppy and sometimes comes with a hard drive, sometimes not.

Short of posting a wanted ad, you best place would most likely be eBay. Usually there are a few hundred auctions of Amiga related items at any give time.

Cost will depend. Typically you would want to also use an RGB monitor with the system such as a 1084, 1080, 2002, or several others. I would say to budget around $100 plus for a basic Amiga 500 and something like a 1084 monitor.


Amiga's do not have lan cards. This will need to be purchased seperatly. You can use an older 16bit PCMCIA ethernet card on A600 and A1200's (cause they have a pcmcia slot) and will need an actual card for one of the big box desktop machines ( A2000, A3000, A4000). Expect to take it up the ass if you want a network card for the desktop machines. Easily $100+ for a card for these machines.


To be honest, most of the web browser available for the Amiga suck. Email clients and irc clients are ok, but I would stick your Windows machine for hitting the web.

All Amigas came stock with a double density floppy drive except the A4000 (don't quote me on this, but I am sure they come stock with a high density drive).


Games? Jesus...there are thousands to choose from.

Any other questions, let us know.
 

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thanks.

im searchin around ebay now...

whats an amiga video toaster? is it a graphics card of sorts or something?

oh yea, and do the amiga computers run cd32 games? you'd need a cdrom drive and a 32bit processor though, im assuming, right?

<small>[ January 23, 2003, 08:19 PM: Message edited by: sonic1687 ]</small>
 

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sonic1687:
thanks.

im searchin around ebay now...

whats an amiga video toaster? is it a graphics card of sorts or something?

oh yea, and do the amiga computers run cd32 games? you'd need a cdrom drive and a 32bit processor though, im assuming, right?
Ever seen Babylon 5? The original season was all done on Video Toaster hardware. The Video Toaster is an advance video editing system for the big box Amiga's.

More info at <a href="http://www.videotoaster.com/" target="_blank">VideoToaster</a> website.
 

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sonic1687:

oh yea, and do the amiga computers run cd32 games? you'd need a cdrom drive and a 32bit processor though, im assuming, right?
To run CD32 games you would need an A1200 with a cdrom drive wih a PCMCIA interface. I think some special software is also required. TO be honest I wouldn't even bother as most Cd32 software is just A1200 software on Cd with better music.
 

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thanks for all your help.

i am so much more enlightened, and that much more confused, but atleast i know what im doing now.

im gonna look for a 1200, hopefully with a cd rom drive.

thanks again.

could you reccomend maybe like your top 10 favorite games or something? somethin to get me started, like an idea?
 

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sonic1687:
thanks for all your help.

i am so much more enlightened, and that much more confused, but atleast i know what im doing now.

im gonna look for a 1200, hopefully with a cd rom drive.

thanks again.

could you reccomend maybe like your top 10 favorite games or something? somethin to get me started, like an idea?
The A1200 is a great machine. Make sure to get one with a hard drive in it. Usually they are between 80 Megs to around 800 or so (can be larger, of course). They use standard 2.5 inch laptop style IDE harddrives.

I currently have an A1200 with 2 megs chip ram, 8 megs fastram and a 2.1 gig hard drive.


Game wise, I honestly wouldn't know where to start. In my opinion If I were you, would be to head over to the <a href="http://eab.abime.net/" target="_blank">English Amiga Board</a> and look around and ask questions. Tons and Tons of resources there. You could spend hours looking though message posts there.
Several posters there also have top 20 favorite games and apps ansd such. Great site!


Any other questions, just let us know!
 

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would this card work you think?

<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2303598230&category=3710" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2303598230&category=3710</a>

and thanks for that link, i gotta check that out.
 

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sonic1687:
would this card work you think?

<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2303598230&category=3710" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2303598230&category=3710</a>

and thanks for that link, i gotta check that out.
Nope. No 3com cards will work with the Amiga.

Something like this <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2303267361&category=28028" target="_blank">Kingston</a> would.

I am almost 100% sure that is the same Kingston card I use on my A1200.
 

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sonic1687:
would this card work you think?

<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2303598230&category=3710" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2303598230&category=3710</a>

and thanks for that link, i gotta check that out.
Nope. No 3com cards will work with the Amiga.

Something like this <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2303267361&category=28028" target="_blank">Kingston</a> would.

I am almost 100% sure that is the same Kingston card I use on my A1200.
cool, thanks.
 

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I have an Amiga 500 complete in the box with a shitload of games.....
 

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Ive got my A500 set up at the minute.

Gotta say the A2000 and larger models are nice, but most stuff is supported on A500,A600(same as 500 but smaller casing, less ports) and A1200.

A CDTV set up would be cool, if u get a keyboard and disk drive with, cause that can run all software.

Few games you will need :

Shadow of the Beast(my fave ever...just amazing)and its sequels
Robocop 3
Gods
Xenon 2:Megablast
Sensible Soccer
Sentiel
 

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I have a A500 I will sell you or trade for MVS items.

It has 1 meg of RAM. I may have a bunch of programs and games too if I can find them.
I have a special attachment for it that lets you use a regular TV or monitor. I should have the original mouse and some controlers too.


PM me if you are interested. buttrock


Edit: Found my games ect. there is a whole shoe box full of disks. Here is a list of some of the games.
Dragons Lair
Space Ace
Hostage
Obliterator
Vindicators
Stunt Car Racer
The Guild of Thieves
Western Games
Three Amiga Power Demo disks
Amiga Workbench 1.2
Ami's Exchanges Animation

and about 50 disks with games and apps that are backups or should I say copied, I won't list the titles of those here though.

PM me if you are interested. buttrock

<small>[ January 24, 2003, 03:04 AM: Message edited by: wizdum ]</small>
 

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heh, wow.

im kinda lookin for a 1200 though, but thanks for the offers.

i may buy some games.

i dont have any money at all right now though frown
 

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Amiga Primer
There are 3 graphical chipsets:
OCS, ECS, AGA.

OCS and ECS are essentially the same except there is the addition of "ExtraHalfBrite" mode in ECS which displays 64 colours on screen. HAM mode gives something like 12bit video.

AGA is sort of Amiga's answer to VGA and can display up to 256 colours on screen in normal screen modes. It has pseudo 24 bit display via "HAM" screen modes (typically not used in games).

All chipsets' audio are 8 bit, 4 channel, stereo (2 channels left, two channels on the right).

There are 3 styles of Amiga's. The wedge type (think of C=64), the "big box" amigas (think of PC's), and the "console" types. Oh, but the Amiga 1000 is an exception to the rest. wink

Amiga1000 -> Original Amiga Model.
-Typically equipped with a 7mHz 68000 CPU
-"OCS" graphical chipset
-Colour Composite Out and RGB.
-It has an expansion slot in the front (hidden) for ram, expansion slot on the side which is similar to the Amiga500's except it's wired differently.
-unless hacked, it will need a start up disk to load up the system's Kickstart (think of it as a sort of BIOS). Since this was the first Amiga model and the AmigaOS wasn't stable at the time, they decided to put the BIOS in ram that had to be loaded up. There are hacks allowing you to put in a ROM chip.
-This is sort of like the C=128D, you have a rectangular box, with a detached keyboard that can be slid under the box.
-Note: On the inside of the top cover, you will find signatures of all the people that worked on this model.


Amiga 500:
-Wedge Design, most popular model
-typically equipped with a 7mHz 68000 CPU
-OCS chipset, Kickstart on ROM (usually 1.3)
-B&W Composite out, and Amiga RGB out.
-Has a ram expansion on the bottom, expansion slot (aka "Zorro 1") which typically is used for Harddrives/SCSI boards but also for CPU modules (usually 68030/40mHz). Can also be converted to use "Zorro 2 cards."

Amiga 500+
-See Amiga 500 but put in Kickstart 2.x and an ECS chipset.

Amiga CDTV:
-An Amiga 500 that was disguised as stereo equipment. It looked okay, and was the first Amiga with a CDRom drive.... It flopped. You can buy an attachement for the Amiga500 that will make it CDTV compatible.
-I believed it had Amiga RGB, SVideo and Composite out.

Amiga 600:
-It's an Amiga 500+ without the Zorro Slot, and numeric keypad. It's a Tiny System but quite frankly not many people liked it because it lacked the Zorro slot making it almost impossible to upgrade.
-Is equipped with a PCMCIA slots but it missed a few lines to make it compatible with many.
-Don't know it's outputs.

Amiga 2000:
-First big box amiga, had several Zorro 2 slots (autoconfigurating cards), a video slot (usually used for genlocking, or for hardware that would sync up Amiga's RGB signal for use with PC monitors) and a CPU slot (oh and ISA slots)
-Thinks are built like a brick.
-Quite a few iterations of this one: Amiga 1500 and Amiga 2000 with 2 floppy drives, Amiga 2500 and amiga with 68030-25mHz expansion, extra ram, SCSI Card + Harddrive and a flicker fixer.
-Think it had composite out (not sure) and Amiga RGB.

Amiga 3000:
-Smaller then the A3000, expansion cards lie horizontally but the case was too small to use the VideoToaster with (see more on VideoToasters)
-Came standard with OS 2.x (early versions loaded the Kickstart in ram, but you can add in ROM chips .
-Equipped with built in SCSI controller, flicker fixer, typically equipped with an 68030-16mHz or 25mHz CPU.
-Uses ZIFF ram chips, these are a PAIN to use thank god for the CPU expansion slot
-First Amiga with 2 megs of chip ram, and some models have high density Floppy.
-A CPU expansion slot that can accomodate PowerPC accelerators. (Some accelerators can take in RAM chips, have SCSI/IDE controllers and even Video Cards.)
-Video card slot
-Zorro 3 slots (compatible with Zorro 2, but can also take Zorro 3 cards, these cards are faster.)
-ISA slots (as well.)
-These slots are on a Daughter card.
-AmigaRGB + VGA monitor out.

A3000UX:
-An Amiga 3000 meant to run C= Unix. It includes a Tape drive.

A3000Tower:
-Official C= A3000 in a tower case. Many people drool over this one. I can't tell you exactly whichs one are worth while though.


The AGA machines:
A3000+:
-Prototype, shoehorned AGA and a DSP on an Amiga3000 board, it apparently doesn't work and there are only a few in existance.

A4000:
-68040-25mHz or 68030-33mHz equipped.
-AGA graphics, KS 3.x
-motherboard takes 16megs in SIMMs.
-2 megs chip
-Amiga 3000 compatible CPU slot
-Zorro 3 Slots, ISA slots, 1 video-slot
-AmigaRGB out
-Built in IDE (not directly compatible with CDRom drives, requires a software hack.)


Amiga 1200:
-68020-14mHz CPU, AGA
-2 megs chip.
-Wedge Style case
-Trap-door expansion slot for CPU, Video, harddrive controllers, ram, etc. (Compatible with some PPC accelerators.)
-IDE controller built in (can mount 2.5'' IDE harddrives internally.)
-"clock port" expansion has been used for augmented Serial/Parrallel Port and even Sound cards.
-PCMCIA slot (see Amiga 600).

There are kits to towerize most Amiga's. There are kits to put in PCI slots on towerized Amiga 4000's and 1200's.

AGA, OCS, and ECS are a bit of a joke compared to most modern cards. There are several Amiga graphics cards that can be used now a days, although they are more costly then the PC equivalents. wink Most of these are Zorro2 or Zorro3. Zorro3 is of course faster. Some of them plug into certain CPU accelerators.

Most soundcards are Zorro 2, and some use the A1200's clockport.

Most network cards are Zorro 2 and are limited to 10baseT and some PCMCIA cards will work on the A1200/600.

The AmigaVideoToasters are more of a Video-Switcher with Genlocking capabilities. Imagine something like a TV newscast, where you have multiple cameras. All of the cameras are feeding in live signal, with a Toaster you could control which camera to select, overlay graphics (ie: names), and add transitions effects. I'm unsure if the VT does chroma keying (aka Blue Screen). The Video Toaster only works for NTSC signals though. If you live elsewhere you might want to take a look on GVP's Impact Vision 24, it has some of the same capabilities.

There is also the "Video Toaster Flyer" which is a Non-Linear editor. In short, you can record video on your computer and edit it. It's not that special nowadays but back when it was first introduced it was a big deal.

Hmm... Was there anything else?

Oh the Amiga CD32 is an Amiga 1200 jammed into a Console with a CD drive. It can become a VCD player via an MPEG module. Some CD32 titles will work with an Amiga1200/4000 equipped with a CDRom drive, but some of them are picky.

If you just want an Amiga to play with I would say to go for an Amiga1200.

If you want it to do anything "serious" then I'd suggest an Amiga 2000-3000 w/video card or an Amiga4000 if AGA compatibility is important. Most amigas can be upgraded to use OS 3.x.

If you are in the US you can look at <a href="http://www.softhut.com/" target="_blank">http://www.softhut.com/</a> just to see what's available.

A PPC amiga is coming out and an official PPC computer that is Amiga Compatible is available now.

It's a bit sad now, but the fastest amiga's around for the moment are emulated.

Final note:
Some games are picky. Alot of the older games won't work on anything other then an ECS/OCS based machine with KS 1.3, 1 meg chip, no fast ram and a 68000 CPU running at 7 mHz. Some games are AGA only, etc. The AGA based Amiga's and KS3.x based ones will (I think) have an early start up menu that will allow you to "downgrade" some parts of your system, others just won't work unless you have a stock A500.

<small>[ January 24, 2003, 10:35 AM: Message edited by: td741 ]</small>
 

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wow. thanks.

is there any way to hook a cdrom to an amiga 1200?

also, would i be able to like, just download DA ROMZZ (well disk images or something) or is it more complicated than that?
 

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How to hookup a CDRom to an Amiga1200?

Well, there are lots of ways.

here's 3:

Umm, the easiest and more cosmetically appealing would be to look for a PCMCIA based CD-Rom drive + controller, there are one or two that supposed to give you pseudo-CD32 compatibility. Never tried those and you'd be limiting yourself to 2x CDrom.

When I had my Amiga 1200, I had an IDE cable that would connect a 3.5'' IDE device to the 2.5'' IDE connector on the Amiga1200 motherboard. It would be possible to connect a normal IDE CDRom drive to the Amiga.

Unfortuantly, there are several problems with this "fix".
a) You'll need to get patch that will make your IDE controller recognize the CDRom. (there's something called "IDEfix". You can probably find it on AmiNet( <a href="http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/~aminet/" target="_blank">http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/~aminet/</a> ). [Biggest selection of Amiga Shareware/Freeware.].
b) You'll need to have a CD filesystem. (I believe that AmigaOS 3.5 and 3.9 finally added this functionality). Some accelerators, and IDE fix I think adds that as well. You might want to hunt AmiNet to see.
c) The CDRom won't fit inside the Amiga1200's case so you'll need to find a case for it.

Another option is to get a CPU/ram expansion with a SCSI controller. That way you can plug in an External SCSI CDRom drive. Of course SCSI drives are more expensive, but if you happen to have an older Mac that you aren't using you can salvage parts from it too. wink Of course, unless you're using AmigaOS3.5 or 3.9 you won't have a CDfile system. You'll have to check out Aminet or again some of the later accelerators have a built-in CDrom compatibility.

As for "teh roms".

Well, there is a file format called "adf" (Amiga Disk Format). Because Amiga's use a strange type of disk format that most PC floppy controllers can't read, people dump the AmigaDisks into a file format which can then be used by Emulators. There are utilities to convert ADF's back to disk format. (Check out Aminet again.) Oh and there's a compressed format called "DMS". You can look up undms on the AmiNet.

I won't point you to ILLEGAL files, but you can have a start here:
-Back To Roots is an Abandonware site for Amiga Software: <a href="http://www.back2roots.org/" target="_blank">http://www.back2roots.org/</a> . All software on this site are there with consent of the authors. (there are Harddrive versions of games, disk based versions of games and CD32 versions of games, but the CD32 does not read CDr's).
-Factor 5: released 3 of their Amiga games in ADF format on their site: <a href="http://www.factor5.com/download.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.factor5.com/download.shtml</a> . Also note that they have all 3 turricans available but you can only legally download them if you own the originals.

You can also look on Aminet, and umm, well, that should give you a good start. wink

Oh, another thing, you can refer yourself to an Amiga retailer to see what they have for sale too:
<a href="http://www.softhut.com/" target="_blank">http://www.softhut.com/</a> is the biggest US based one.

<small>[ January 24, 2003, 11:22 AM: Message edited by: td741 ]</small>
 

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do you think this would work for a cdrom drive?

<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2302228829&category=31563" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2302228829&category=31563</a>

and would somehting like this work for a new harddrive? and how big can you go with the harddrives?

<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2303241319&category=31567" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2303241319&category=31567</a>

<small>[ January 24, 2003, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: sonic1687 ]</small>
 

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I'm not sure about the CDRom drive, if the CDRom drive itself is SCSI then it's a good start, but i don't know about the Interface card. I looked it up on Aminet but didn't find anything to say they've got drivers for that card.

That said, there is a PCMCIA SCSI interface for the Amiga1200 called "Squirel". There's also the "Surf Squirrel" that included a hi-speed serial port. What would work with an External SCSI CDRom. I'd recommend seeing if you get get at least a 68030-25mHz accelerator with FPU, scsi and SIMM slot. Or at least some sort of RAM expansion because even some FAST ram will speed up the Amiga (since it doesn't have to fight with the Chipset over who accesses the CHIP Ram> :p )

As for the HD it should work. Amiga's support drive up to 2 gig's without having to Patch the OS (well the patch is included in OS3.5 and up.) You'll need to prep the HD with an amiga though. wink But that's no biggy if you've got the OS disks.
 

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Amiga, best computer ever made!
Blood money (best intro ever), Ik+ (best fighting game ever), rick dangerous(best platform ever),hybris,turrican,ninja spirit,wid arms,cabal, and many more.
So much memories, I start crying........
 

evil wasabi

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ok so i think i know what i'm doing now, so i dont really have any more questions other than game reccomendations.

i think i'm going to hold off for a while so i can save up and get a 4000 because the video toaster intrigues me.
 

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video toaster was pretty rockin for it's time. The 4000 is prolly your best bet. They best games are the old school AGA, which i dunno if the a4000 has that chipset. I know the 1200, and a600, and i think the a3000 has AGA.
 
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