Anti War on Iraq

Moob Butter · Feb 15, 2003

I was at a protest today in Glasgow Scotland about the whole war on Iraq thing, I heard that many places in the world had them today, something in the region of 400 cities and towns.
In Glasgow it was said that 90,000 people turned up all in one cause, quite amazing for me to think about, I was just wondering if any of you's had anti-campains near you or if you have any feeling about the war on Iraq in general?

aria · Feb 15, 2003

I'm always glad to hear that people who are getting involved in politics (no matter what side of the board), but I'm going to move this one to Unrelated (where more people will pick up on it).

BlackSpy · Feb 15, 2003

Yah!

I was in that march too.

Moob Butter · Feb 15, 2003

Good eh?, I was slighlty annoyed Mr Blair left without addressing the crowds...cowardish....

And yeah I was hoving over where to put this topic Bobak but I'll trust you to make my mind up for me.

less than joseph · Feb 15, 2003

Over Spring break Im going to DC to participate in an anti-war demonstration. Its good to know that more people here are anti-war.

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BlackSpy · Feb 15, 2003

I didn't expect him to address the crowd, he'd have been shouted down. I did expect him to allow PA systems so the speakers could address the crowd and to make his speech to the conference at the advertised time and not flee the city before the march even started.

Fun though, yeah.

aria · Feb 15, 2003

Now that it's moved, I've heard that millions worldwide have gather to protest the threat of war.

I'm actually wishy-washy on the actual need for war (I'll probably make a separate post about my position); but outside of the actual issue, it's great to see people actually giving a damn about something again.

But I'm definitely checking the paper (NY Times) tommorrow (Sunday). There will be great coverage. I was listening to the radio on this afternoon and they were saying its the biggest mass protest since Nam...

BlackSpy · Feb 15, 2003

I know what you mean Bobak. I'm hugely anti Sadam, but I don't think enough things have been tried yet or enough of the post conquest scenario defined to risk so many thousands of lives in a war, so I march.

2 million in London they reckon. Biggest protest in British history. I don't think any government can ignore that.

Moob Butter · Feb 15, 2003

Yeah, but Mr Blair leaving before the protest was fully underway seemed to make him look a bit bid bad on his behalf.
As for protests it's been a mad day everywhere worldwide, it's amazing to think that so many people could get up and give a toss about something in this world.

BlackSpy · Feb 15, 2003

You should have seen the going over the guy on the BBC news gave him. Very funny.

rugal2000 · Feb 15, 2003

Yes I was in london with 1.2 million others.Every strata of society was represented from England up to wales,ireland and scotland. Its what makes the UK a home of free thinkers. We arent so easily manipulated as a people, even though in Tony Blair we have a vain, and scheming actor for a prime minister

In contrast people in a country like Egypt or Turkey have their voices suppressed whatever their creed be it islam or anarchy or socialism.

The corrupt and unislamic regimes of those countries wont allow any voice of demonstation thats why true islam is repressed. Its to do with the governments in those countries and how they control people with violence.

Thats why today while Europe spoke, the middle east remained silent.

snkneogeousaCTH · Feb 15, 2003

Why are you against the war?

I guess I just don't understand it...The war isn't about oil...We've already promised the french and germans that they will still have their contracts w/ the iraqi companys...it isn't about power, as the USA is already powerful...So to me it's about protecting the world's best interests. Saddam kills his own people...if you watched the thing on 20/20 last night about his son, you'd see that he is as crazy as saddam...

Iraq is the only country that has a jail for it's Olympic members that do poor...They are the only country that tortures poorly performing atheletes...

The people live in fear of saddams son, who is a madman, murderer, and rapist...

I guess, when I look at Iraq, I see a country that can only be improved. Yes, some people will die in the war, but there are some things that are worth fighting for - namely the defense of human rights.

Saddam = fanatical dictator that brutalizes and kills his own people.

I don't see how it could get any worse.

BlackSpy · Feb 15, 2003

snkneogeousaCTH:
Why are you against the war?

I guess I just don't understand it...The war isn't about oil...We've already promised the french and germans that they will still have their contracts w/ the iraqi companys...it isn't about power, as the USA is already powerful...So to me it's about protecting the world's best interests. Saddam kills his own people...if you watched the thing on 20/20 last night about his son, you'd see that he is as crazy as saddam...

Iraq is the only country that has a jail for it's Olympic members that do poor...They are the only country that tortures poorly performing atheletes...

The people live in fear of saddams son, who is a madman, murderer, and rapist...

I guess, when I look at Iraq, I see a country that can only be improved. Yes, some people will die in the war, but there are some things that are worth fighting for - namely the defense of human rights.

Saddam = fanatical dictator that brutalizes and kills his own people.

I don't see how it could get any worse.

Please don't confuse being against the war with being pro Saddam. Its possible to be against both.

Some people are just against war till every other possible thing has failed, and they don't believe that we are at that point. There are still things to try.

There are tens or hundreds of thousands that will die if there is a war. Real people, real widows, real orphans. War should never be used because its expedient.

Anyway, can we leave this as a discussion of the marches rather than a pro/anti war discussion?

snkneogeousaCTH · Feb 15, 2003

umm..okay fine. I was just trying to understand your side. And btw, tens of thousands won't die - we could go in, and be done in two days - the iraqi citizens don't support saddam, and that place would fold up like a cardboard box.

+++SLUG FLYER+++ · Feb 15, 2003

Yeah, great to see many people into protesting for the people of my country. I have to say, from my heart, I have been deeply moved today, and would like to give a shout out to EVERYONE who sacrificed the day for the cause, with much thanks!

What a day, great speakers, can be seen on sky active it keeps repeating if you have that feature on your tv.
Moving stuff. Who was your favourite speaker? I have to say, Ken Livingstone gets my medal.

"Ohhh Mr.Bush who had to get DADDY to get him out of the National Service because he didnt want to serve in the army himself, a man whose in it for the oil....and the country which has the most mass destructive weapons in the world, and its not fair to protest for one country, what about palestine? the isrealis have weapons of mass destruction too, they are using DOUBLE STANDARDS"

That summed it all up. Im gonna go check out this other thread regarding that human version of pinoccio....the isreali...lol

mookystains · Feb 15, 2003

we have peace marches every saturday where i live.
its good stuff.

+++SLUG FLYER+++ · Feb 15, 2003

Believe me, all the bad is true and i could guarantee NO ONE on this board would have saddam over for tea, unless it was spiked!
You see, america has snipers. if it really wanted to kill him, it would have done yesterday. Theres no need for the whole theatrical war. I have family and buildings there that would be destroyed and killed if this was commenced. In the name of a quick buck.

We all agree, he's a looney, but the people are of the smartest ON EARTH. Any educated man can tell you that. The country is rich in resources, rich in brains (at least the pre-saddam generation) and just need good a ruler. Like a home cart without the power adaptor. wink

BlackSpy · Feb 15, 2003

snkneogeousaCTH:
umm..okay fine. I was just trying to understand your side. And btw, tens of thousands won't die - we could go in, and be done in two days - the iraqi citizens don't support saddam, and that place would fold up like a cardboard box.

I'd be delighted to tell you why I'm against the war in detail, pm me your email and I'll fire you a couple of hundred words in a nice friendly way. I really don't want to get involved in another flame thread though, sorry.

DevilRedeemed · Feb 15, 2003

How do you know any of this? Do you really believe that the U.S. is just going in for human rights? That's bogus. shame

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BIG · Feb 15, 2003

Who needs war?In 1990,there was a more valid reason to wage war against Iraq,because they invaded neighboring Kuwait.This time around,I think it's just for the sake of oil interest.

snkneogeousaCTH · Feb 15, 2003

DevilRedeemed:
How do you know any of this? Do you really believe that the U.S. is just going in for human rights? That's bogus. shame

And why shouldn't I believe my president? If you think it's about oil, you're simply misguided-we have more oil in texas, alaska, and california than all the middle east combined. The reason we HAVEN'T gone in yet IS because of oil - the french and germans get too much of their oil from iraq, and are afraid the stream of illegal gasoline will be turned off.

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Ignition · Feb 15, 2003

Umm then what other things should we try? If we can't go to war then what should we do? People say theres other things to try. Then name them..what else is left? spock

FeelGood · Feb 15, 2003

How do you anti war people hope to get things done then may I ask? How would you hope to stop the Hitlers?

snkneogeousaCTH · Feb 15, 2003

FeelGood:
How would you hope to stop the Hitlers?

they wouldn't...its called appeasement, something the europeans should know all about (see:hitler). we were also guilty of looking the other way, but we can't let it happen again.

Stephane · Feb 15, 2003

who raised sadam hussein as a dictator ?
oh wait , the usa !
Politic are kinda strange , you know that !

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