Graphics suck these days... my 10 second rant

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Everything looks like it's been done in Flash. I want to see some nice pixelated action... with pixelated coloring (like the cool neo pocket characters people have in their sigs). I'm sick of this hand drawn computer paintbucket colored stuff. Our games are turning into cartoons. Well, I'm done.
 
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the great thing is, you will never play all the old school games. So just pick up an oldie, and consider it new to you. I would be happy if videogames ceased to be produced. I can't keep up as it is.
 
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Here's my rant:

My biggest quirk about the "advanced" graphics today is that poor kids are going to be "spoiled." They almost all will never begin with simple NES 8Bit and move up gradually. They will see 128 bit and want more, more.

I believe it's damn important to start at or near the scratch, and slowly move/change with the times. That's why I consider people who were born during the early 80s and before are lucky bastards.

Kids these days don't know how to respect the older systems and games like they should.
 
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Originally posted by Steve:
<strong>Here's my rant:

My biggest quirk about the "advanced" graphics today is that poor kids are going to be "spoiled." They almost all will never begin with simple NES 8Bit and move up gradually. They will see 128 bit and want more, more.

I believe it's damn important to start at or near the scratch, and slowly move/change with the times. That's why I consider people who were born during the early 80s and before are lucky bastards.

Kids these days don't know how to respect the older systems and games like they should.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree. My brother is what I like to call an "N64 child". It is hard to convince him to play anyhitng NES or SNES era because he cant get over the graphics. If it isnt 3d he has trouble getting past that. Sad, really.
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Flash?

Macromedia makes flash.

Dreamcast games are made using a Macromedia Program.

Some PS2 games are too.

think about that. I'll get back to you
 
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A lot of younger kids who come into my store buying N64 games [n64 being their first system] really WANT to explore the SNES and NES when they see the used Mario games they're never played.

Nintendo is really setting themselves up for another generation of fans.
 
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Well, I kind of look at it like this... I don't really think the next generation systems look that good. I mean, they are still not to the level I think games can be. I would compare the 3d evolution to that of the 2d evolution.

We had Atari - You could sort of make out what your dot or block was supposed to be, and we loved it

NES/Master System - Now we are talking, the blocks look more like they are supposed to, some really good graphics here to us

Genesis/SNES - My jesus! These are awesume 2d greaphics, now some look photo realistic and we have lots of detail

OF Course 2d evolved beyond that era, but those days were tops... Then we started 3d and it was like:

3do/PSx/Saturn - I can kind of make out what those polygons represent.

DC/PS2/GC/xbox - Things are looking pretty realistic, but the lighting isn't always right and the camera systems still suck... Still, they look good.

We have a few years or so, I think we are in the late NES to early SNES type era with this current 3d batch, the next one will probably blow us away. I don't know... as for the kids not growing up with the classics, they are growing up with the new classics. Sure, we don't like them as much, but in 20 years, who know what they will be playing :) And... They will be saying the same thing.

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Anyone seen Splinter Cell or RE: Zero? Amazing graphics can be these days but unfortunately for next-gen gamers the gameplay usually sucks. <img src="graemlins/mrt2.gif" border="0" alt="[Mr T]" />

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I'm actually more disappointed in the "jump" in graphics from PSX/N64 to PS2/X-Box/GCN (DC topped them all 'cause at least they released SOME hand drawn 2D games). I mean, honestly, the games look better, but not what I would have expected with a 5 year lead on the hardware to play the games.

3D games aren't bad if done properly, but NOTHING can compare to the fun I still have with the Neo Geo and GBA. Neither system has fancy ass graphics processors, so it relies on good 'ole 2D and GAMEPLAY, not graphics like a lot of the tripe we see on the other new systems.

And to paeople like NebraskaDragon, I say, you have to remember that even though these kids grew up in the N64 era, a lot of them STILL get in on some of the older classics (not alot NES classics, but SNES ones) with the GBA. Zelda: A Link to the Past is a prime example. For some reason people hold portbale to a different standard than home systems. I guess it's acceptable for a portable game to be "lame", since you can at least play it on the road.

Anyway, *end rant*.
 
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Originally posted by NebraskaDragon:
<strong>I agree. My brother is what I like to call an "N64 child". It is hard to convince him to play anyhitng NES or SNES era because he cant get over the graphics. If it isnt 3d he has trouble getting past that. Sad, really.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree wholeheartedly. Games today are about 99% eye candy, with the remaining percentage being actual gameplay. To me, the 16-bit era really was the golden age of gaming. You had games that looked nice and had quality in play. Yet, they still weren't arcade quality (even though every system from the ColecoVision on up boasted such), so the coin-ops got their share of play.

Come 1995, the PS started to kill off arcades, and with the increasing spread of the 'Net, rommerzzzz were able to play for free the home versions, which were essentially identical (if not "better") than the arcade games.

This generation really is sad. I see kids with the PS2 and I feel like an old man. They really don't know anything about real gaming.

And on a side note, that Wal*Mart commercial with the two idiots talking about their PS2 loose all credibility as gamers; they get up at 7 AM! ;)
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Originally posted by Kid Aphex:
<strong>A lot of younger kids who come into my store buying N64 games [n64 being their first system] really WANT to explore the SNES and NES when they see the used Mario games they're never played.

Nintendo is really setting themselves up for another generation of fans.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey, Kid Aphex, you do know that "David Manning" doesn't exist, right? :rolleyes: Good ole' Sony.
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Originally posted by MarrymeMai:
<strong>And on a side note, that Wal*Mart commercial with the two idiots talking about their PS2 loose all credibility as gamers; they get up at 7 AM! ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yea that commercial is stupid as hell. Who the hell wakes up early in the morning and thinks about nothing but PS2? I wake up at 7, and am thinking, "God dammit, why the hell do i have to go to work today, why can't I just win the lottery."

Anyways, I don't mind the 3D games that we see so much these days, I just wish there were more new 2D games to go along with them. GBA is doin a pretty good job giving us 2D games, but way too many of them are ports that I can play on SNES.

Oh well, we will always have the Neo. :D
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Let's face it.. 3D graphics are improving, with cell-shading and whatever, but they still seem "flat" and uninspired to me. Mechanical.

Kind of like when a writer writes with his/her hand with a pen and paper Vs. using a publishing program, a guitar player uses wood + strings Vs. Electric.

To wax philosophical, Electronic information tampers with your soul.

3D games wouldn't be too bad if the controls and the camera would change and adapt with the times.

How many times have you heard people complain about Resident Evil's controls? I know many people who play it, but just as many (myself included) who refuse to play it due to its non-intuitive control scheme.

Camera angles are big issues with 3D games too. Games like Mario 64, with good camera placement are overshadowed by the cracked 3D lens of today's Vice City and GTAIII (in places).

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Originally posted by slerch666:
<strong>I'm actually more disappointed in the "jump" in graphics from PSX/N64 to PS2/X-Box/GCN (DC topped them all 'cause at least they released SOME hand drawn 2D games). I mean, honestly, the games look better, but not what I would have expected with a 5 year lead on the hardware to play the games.

Anyway, *end rant*.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I fully agree with you here slerch. Besides, which next-gen games really look that much better than what the DC had to offer?

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Originally posted by Earthquake:
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I fully agree with you here slerch. Besides, which next-gen games really look that much better than what the DC had to offer?

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The other thing that always cracked me up is that the PS2 launched a year later than the DC and was supposed to have better graphics. I can remember playing some of the launch games and thinking to myself... fucking Soul Calibur, a game that launched with the DC, looked 10 times better than anything the PS2 had to offer at the time, and, when compared to certain games now, is STILL the case. Weird.
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Heh, Soul Calibur still looks great but many PS2 games have already topped it.When you look at SC closely, you will see that the distant backgrounds are pre-rendered.Also those distant Bgs have a little bit of that blurry texture.The very distant backgrounds i mean.Of course, everything close is rendered.If you look at Tekken tag/Tekken 4 or VF4, everything is in full 3d and they look great.Besides, the character models of SC pales in comparison to VF4's character models.It looked great at that time but now, many games have already surpassed it including DOA3.

Soul calibur on the DC was way ahead of its time back then but now after seeing games such as Soul calibur 2(sequel) and some of the other recent 3d fighters, SC don't look as impressive that it used to be.I saw some screenshots of VF4:EVO on the PS2 and it looks amazing.Its very close to the arcade version even at this early stage.Sega AM2 have learned about the PS2 hardware completely it seems.

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Originally posted by Devil_Gans:
<strong>Heh, Soul Calibur still looks great but many PS2 games have already topped it.When you look at SC closely, you will see that the distant backgrounds are pre-rendered.Also those distant Bgs have a little bit of that blurry texture.The very distant backgrounds i mean.Of course, everything close is rendered.If you look at Tekken tag/Tekken 4 or VF4, everything is in full 3d and they look great.Besides, the character models of SC pales in comparison to VF4's character models.It looked great at that time but now, many games have already surpassed it including DOA3.

Soul calibur on the DC was way ahead of its time back then but now after seeing games such as Soul calibur 2(sequel) and some of the other recent 3d fighters, SC don't look very impressive that it used to be.I saw some screenshots of VF4:EVO on the PS2 and it looks amazing.Its very close to the arcade version even at this early stage.Sega AM2 have learned about the PS2 hardware completely it seems.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree that there ARE games that look better than SC now (this wasn't really the case when the PS2 launched though), but there are still some that pale in comparison, and I'm not just talking about fighers either.

The problem I have with VF4? It's the same problem I have with lots of PS2 games, and that's tose damn jaggies. The DC, not extinct, never really seemed to be plagued as badly by the jaggies as PS2 games do. Even X-Box/GCN games seem to suffer more from it than the DC did. I don't know, maybe I have too much faith in the DC's abilities; I honestly haven't played a DC game in a while.

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Yeah, i noticed those jaggies on VF4.But those were caused by poor programming and also it was sega AM2's 1st time working on the PS2 hardware.Now look at EVO.It looks way better.Those jaggies seem non-existent.And the game now look the way its supposed to look.Having played the arcade version of EVO myself, i must say that the PS2 version now looks closer than ever judging from the screenshots and some of the movies i have seen.
 
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The next gen will probably have graphics like in Final Fantasy the sprits within.
 
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You guys are all on crack.

You are all blind for your nostalgic love of 2D games that you can't see the evolution of what graphics are.

Some of you state that gamers today are completely spoiled by not being old enough to be a part of 8-16bit gaming at it's height. The same could be said if you were spoiled by not knowing black-and-white televisions; carbeurator engines; RF switches; LOAD "*",8,1; TV Antennas and cabled remote controls; analog radios; and New Coke.

As good as 2D games were and still are, they limit experiences that only 3D games can offer, such as Splinter Cell, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, and scrolling racers.

Children today aren't spoiled so much as they're experinces are different. The same way we think Atari 2600 games are prehistoric and unplayable (I grew up with one, it wasn't before my time), the same kids today will think they're N64s and PS1s will be in time (due to the extremely limited 3D graphics)

As much as I still love my Neo, play my Genesis regularly and look forward to the Game Boy Player to play the best portable games ever made (yes, better than NGPC-it's like having a SNES a new games coming out for it), I still love Splinter Cell, 007 Nightfire and Halo deathmatch and getting scared in Resident Evil. Why?

Because it CAN'T be done in 2D.
 
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Originally posted by Steve:
<strong>Here's my rant:

My biggest quirk about the "advanced" graphics today is that poor kids are going to be "spoiled." They almost all will never begin with simple NES 8Bit and move up gradually. They will see 128 bit and want more, more.

I believe it's damn important to start at or near the scratch, and slowly move/change with the times. That's why I consider people who were born during the early 80s and before are lucky bastards.

Kids these days don't know how to respect the older systems and games like they should.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's a good point but some kids that were born in the 1980s dont like the old school stuff anymore because of what they are use to today. They say "Man, that system has bad graphics." I was born in the mid 80s and I still play the old stuff. My little brother (born in 1993) likes the old stuff too.
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AMEN

I love gaming and 16bit was the golden age, but there are still great experiences out there right now. Quit complaing about all this stuff.

But then again it was just a rant.. . .
 
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Argentena, thank god I'm not alone here!

I swear I hate all this bull-ass-shit about how "games aren't good anymore" the graphics are all the same, blah blah blah!

This past weekend I was having shitloads of fun playing games every damn day. I mean I get to play stuff normally, but every day we were playing shit with different people because previous plans fell through.

IT WAS AMAZING!

Friday I went to my buddies house, a group was going to show up and play munchkin, but my one friend was sick, one got called in to work, and one had to help the wife with something. So it ended up being me and my friend playing PS2. He was showing me Star Wars: Bounty Hunter, and it was fucking amazing! I couldn't believe the PS2 could put out graphics like that, it was SICK. Then we wanted to play something and he just picked up Twisted Metal Black. I never played it before but I figured what the hell, lets go. The game is so fucking cool. We played deathmach for hours on that and it wasn't getting old, it was just getting late.

Saturday I had to stay at home and wait for family to come visit, but they were late and I got a shitload of game time in. I ended up tearing myself away from MechAssault's Live play and went and finnaly beat the game. The last few levels were pretty damn cool and it was a blast to sit there and kick the games ass. Then I ended up playing a few rounds of Steel Battalion and I can't explain how blown away I am with it. It's one of the most immersive games I've ever played, you can get into it so easily. Hit the lights, set the controller up and then GO. So much fun with that game and I haven't gotten past the second mission! It's that damn fun to run around and blow shit up! I haven't done that in a game in god knows how long!

Then Sunday comes around and our D&D session fell through, the one person we needed to move on was called into work and couldn't make it. So since the whole group of us couldn't fit in my room we dusted off the N64 in the living room and just played shit. 4 Player Mario Kart, Smash Bros, and Bomberman 64 (one of the most under-rated, under-appreciated multiplayer games ever made)! Then after they left I went and showed my two friends who were hanging out a bit longer how Steel Battalion was and let them play Mech Assault on Live. And they were friggin amazed. Hell my one buddy is tempted to blow $500 on an XBox, Live, Mech Assault, and Steel Battalion. He had no idea they were as good as they are, the look on my one friends face when he played Steel Battalion was like a Kodak moment if I ever saw one, kid was fucking blown away. We're planning on getting into my school over the break and setting it up in the Lab with the wall projector for a good 12 hours.

Anyway, after they all left my girlfriend came over and we ended up playing Super Monkey Ball 2. The game is MAD hard, and I mean INSANELY MAD HARD! But luckily, unlike the first game you don't have "lives" anymore and you can keep on continuing. So we cleared about 4 worlds from where we were. We were so into the single player that we completely forgot that we actually got enough points to unlock another one of the mini-games. Which are such a shitload of fun its hard to believe this game only cost $50.

Anyway, as for kids not appreciating how things were back when we were young, they'll appreciate things as they get them now. I know my kids are gonna know what a Neo is, and I'll be damned if they're gonna play FF20 if they don't give FF6 and Chrono Trigger a run first! But still, things now are just as good as they were back in the day, if not better!

Peace

JHendrix
 
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