How come Tekken is at its 4th installment and Tobal reached only two?

Originally posted by Phoenix Down:
<strong>Hoo boy, talk about opening up a can of worms...

Anyway I totally agree that Tobal 2 kicks ass. It's a very deep fighter that still gets play at a number of anime/game conventions I go to.

As far as Tekken, I think it's THE most overrated fighting game series in history. Aside from the graphics Tekken 4 isn't even in the same league as other current 3D fighters like Virtua Fighter 4.

Oh, and before everyone starts thinking I'm a Namco basher, I think Soul Calibur is the best 3D fighter ever and easily one of the greatest games ever.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You clearly don't know what you are talking about. You probably don't even know about Virtua fighter. You wouldn't know what Sabaki or a G-Cancel was if it hit you in the back of your head. Not to be bragging but i have no doubt in my mind that i'm the best Virtua Fighter and Tekken player on this site and most of the other people here are a bunch of fake ass posers and bandwagon jumpers.

And about being a namco basher. Most people who hate tekken aren't namco bashers, they are tekken bashers. They hate tekken for the sole reason that its real popular in North America, not knowing the Creator of VF Yu Suzuki admires tekken for its system and depth and he also helped finalize the controls for Tekken 3. Same could be said for the Tekken Developers and VF. Both companies admire each other's work and wanna work together in the future.

You opinion may be Soul Calibur is the greatest 3d fighter ever but in reality the facts are Virtua Fighter is first with Tekken and Soul Calibur tied for 2nd and DOA 3rd.

These 2d zealots who act like they know some shit about 3d never fail to show me they don't know shit. Popularity isn't a judge for how good a series is.

Now lets not fuck up his topic with saying which 3d fighting game is the best and whats trash and overrated. this is about tobal.

Tobal 2 ownZ

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Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:
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Now lets not fuck up his topic with saying which 3d fighting game is the best and whats trash and overrated. this is about tobal.

Tobal 2 ownZ</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thank you!

Back to Tobal : The bunny thing at the end is pretty tought until you get out of the 2D play and start playing in true 3D...Then it justs starts jumping out of the ring by itself ( well, sometimes )

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Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:
<strong>Dreamfactory the makers of tobal were always under so much B.S. working for square. They disbanded after the Bouncer.

No U.S. release for Tobal 2 is the reason for them being underrated.

I bet you didn't know this but the Team that made tobal did Tekken 4. No they didn't do the whole tekken series, they just did tekken 4. Thats why Tekken 4 feels completely different from the other 4 tekken games. The tobal people also created Kakuto Chojin which is a piece of trash just like Tekken 4.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I didn't know that, I guess you learn something new every day.

BTW, just for the record I'm a huge fan of Virtua Fighter 4, it's my second favorite 3D Fighter behind Soul Calibur. And I don't think Tekken 4 is a bad game, I'll admit I'm biased because that's all my friends ever want to play because they think VF4 "sucks."

Oh, and what's my 3rd favorite 3D fighter? Probably Tobal 2. If only they would have made Tobal 3 instead of...The Bouncer. *shudders*

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Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:
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You clearly don't know what you are talking about. You probably don't even know about Virtua fighter. You wouldn't know what Sabaki or a G-Cancel was if it hit you in the back of your head. Not to be bragging but i have no doubt in my mind that i'm the best Virtua Fighter and Tekken player on this site and most of the other people here are a bunch of fake ass posers and bandwagon jumpers.

And about being a namco basher. Most people who hate tekken aren't namco bashers, they are tekken bashers. They hate tekken for the sole reason that its real popular in North America, not knowing the Creator of VF Yu Suzuki admires tekken for its system and depth and he also helped finalize the controls for Tekken 3. Same could be said for the Tekken Developers and VF. Both companies admire each other's work and wanna work together in the future.

You opinion may be Soul Calibur is the greatest 3d fighter ever but in reality the facts are Virtua Fighter is first with Tekken and Soul Calibur tied for 2nd and DOA 3rd.

These 2d zealots who act like they know some shit about 3d never fail to show me they don't know shit. Popularity isn't a judge for how good a series is.

Now lets not fuck up his topic with saying which 3d fighting game is the best and whats trash and overrated. this is about tobal.

Tobal 2 ownZ</strong><hr></blockquote>

God damn that was beautiful. My sex fell out <img src="graemlins/eek2.gif" border="0" alt="[Eek 2]" />

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Originally posted by SPINMASTER X:
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And about being a namco basher. Most people who hate tekken aren't namco bashers, they are tekken bashers. They hate tekken for the sole reason that its real popular in North America, not knowing the Creator of VF Yu Suzuki admires tekken for its system and depth and he also helped finalize the controls for Tekken 3. Same could be said for the Tekken Developers and VF. Both companies admire each other's work and wanna work together in the future.

You opinion may be Soul Calibur is the greatest 3d fighter ever but in reality the facts are Virtua Fighter is first with Tekken and Soul Calibur tied for 2nd and DOA 3rd.

These 2d zealots who act like they know some shit about 3d never fail to show me they don't know shit. Popularity isn't a judge for how good a series is.
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Talk about being a hypocrite. No offense, Spinmaster. I'm cool with you and all. I'm not starting a war or anything. Just wanna point some stuff out...

Personally, I think it's great that the creators of both Virtua Fighter and Tekken respect eachothers work and wanna work together and help eachother out.

However, even if Yu Suzuki is down with Tekken, that doesn't mean Virtua Fighter lovers should automatically change their opinion about Tekken.

I can honestly say that I liked Tekken 2, and Tekken 3 was just "ok", and I haven't liked any Tekken game since. I hated TTT, and not enough has changed for me to enjoy Tekken 4. It feels like the same game I've been playing for years. The Tekken series really is, in my opinion, a very average fighting game series, and I enjoy Virtua Fighter MUCH more.

Does that mean I'm a poser? Of course not. It's just my opinion. Even if Yu Suzuki himself likes Tekken and admires it, that's not going to change my opinion.

Also, your remarks about the best fighting games of all-time are crazy, as you refer to them as being "facts". They're just your opinions. Opinions CAN be wrong, but not in this sense. The only time an opinion can be wrong is like if someones opinion is that the world is flat, or that all jews should die. If it's someone's opinion that Soul Calibur is the best ever, then even though you may disagree, it doesn't mean their opinion is wrong.

And finally, your last comment. "Popularity isn't a judge for how good a series is." Well SPinmaster, neither are you. You may think we're mostly "2d zealots who don't know shit", but we just all have different opinions. It's cool if you disagree with them, but maybe next time you'll think a littl emore clearly before you go off on a tyrade on why you're right and your opinions are actual facts, and that everyone who disagrees is a dumbass poser.

Oh, and I haven't played Tobal No 2 yet, but I love Tobal No 1.

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Personally, I think it's great that the creators of both Virtua Fighter and Tekken respect eachothers work and wanna work together and help eachother out.

However, even if Yu Suzuki is down with Tekken, that doesn't mean Virtua Fighter lovers should automatically change their opinion about Tekken.<hr></blockquote>

Some people go way the hell out of their way to act like Tekken is such a piece of trash game. The act as if its Rise of the fuckin Robots. Just to see how they react I tell em about what Yu thinks and it works almost everytime and they all of a sudden take a second look at the tekken series. Thats how you know they are fuckin posers. It didn't change your opinion cuz you are one of the few here with your own actual opinions about VF and Tekken and you don't go by what others say. I respect you for that.

I can honestly say that I liked Tekken 2, and Tekken 3 was just "ok", and I haven't liked any Tekken game since. I hated TTT, and not enough has changed for me to enjoy Tekken 4. It feels like the same game I've been playing for years. The Tekken series really is, in my opinion, a very average fighting game series, and I enjoy Virtua Fighter MUCH more.

Does that mean I'm a poser? Of course not. It's just my opinion. Even if Yu Suzuki himself likes Tekken and admires it, that's not going to change my opinion.
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I already touched that above.

Also, your remarks about the best fighting games of all-time are crazy, as you refer to them as being "facts". They're just your opinions. Opinions CAN be wrong, but not in this sense. The only time an opinion can be wrong is like if someones opinion is that the world is flat, or that all jews should die. If it's someone's opinion that Soul Calibur is the best ever, then even though you may disagree, it doesn't mean their opinion is wrong.<hr></blockquote>

come on now lets not beat around the fuckin bush. both you know and I know there are things that are plain facts. Sure VF/TK/SC/DOA may not be the best for you or whoever however when it comes down to the system pound for pound certain fighters will have an advantage above one or all the rest. You and I know AES/MVS games are better than ports, its a fact! Just compare the good and the bad and you will see. We both know the KOF combo system is more forgiving and logical than the SFA combo system. When you take everything in a 3d fighter that a gamer would require, the good and the bad, risks vs rewards its plain and simple that VF is tops, i mean this is common knowledge among many 3d fighter fans from each series. Certain things are just plain facts. Now when it comes to things like character design, music, etc then its all about opinion. Now i will apologize for attacking Phoenix's opinion, i'm sorry Phoenix. However I will stand by what i say, These are known facts.

And finally, your last comment. "Popularity isn't a judge for how good a series is." Well SPinmaster, neither are you. You may think we're mostly "2d zealots who don't know shit", but we just all have different opinions. It's cool if you disagree with them, but maybe next time you'll think a littl emore clearly before you go off on a tyrade on why you're right and your opinions are actual facts, and that everyone who disagrees is a dumbass poser.<hr></blockquote>

Ok i'm gonna tell you this, I'm not an SNK fan, I'm not a Namco fan, I'm not a Capcom fan, I'm not a Sega AM2 fan, i'm not a Sammy fan and I'm not a Tecmo fan, I'm a FIGHTING GAME FAN first and foremost, I play it all. with me being that, there are things I know that most people don't and won't know. My non biased approach towards games lets people know that I know whats good. I know you are probably saying "you gotta be kidding me, this fuckin guy is off his rocker", but hey thats me take it or leave it .

About the 2d zealots/posers/bandwagon jumpers, its true. There is no denying it. Sadly The many of the people here only give VF respect for the sole purpose that its underrated in North America much like the NeoGeo/MVS and SNK. And they praise it cuz now its starting to get its due respect. They don't even know shit about and probably never will. The fact of the matter is most of them are fakes. So far since i've been here i've seen at least 2 tekken strats topics here(not counting mine) and i have yet to see a VF one, and you know why? Cuz we got fake ass posers here thats why. I know it and so do many other people here. Ducky the next time you see somebody say VF is like 4000x better than tekken ask em "why" and see what kind of answer you get. Now there may be a couple here who can give you good answers but at best most will give some broad vague shit like "it has more strategy". I'm not lying to do Ducky, its the truth.

also to Phoenix, i apologize again. I shouldn't have come at you in such a way. I just sometimes snap. I get so sick and tired of the usual "Tekken sucks its the same since tekken 1", "Virtua Fighter sucks, look at the crappy character designs, and its too hard", "DOA is so shallow". Plus it was in a topic that was all about Tobal.

So lets forget all of this B.S. and get back to the Tobal series.

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Originally posted by Devil_Gans:
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As for the tobal series.I only played the 1st one.</strong><hr></blockquote>

WHAT? You owe it to yourself to play the second one... The first one was just good, but the second one is outstanding!!!

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