Kids vs Adult games or when video games grow up

Hot Chocolate

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Came across this when I got back onto my comp and wanted to know some of you guys thoughts on it=

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BRAINTREE, Mass. (Dec. 17) - Janet Mason recently stepped up to the cash register at a KB Toys store here to purchase a videogame that her 11-year-old had been hounding her for.

"Are you sure you want this?" she recalls the cashier asking her. The game, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, is rated "M" for its mature content, meaning it is considered suitable only for those 17 years and older under the game industry's ranking system.

But with her son Jackson tugging at her sleeve, Ms. Mason says she had little choice but to buy the $50 game, which centers on an ex-con trying to re-establish himself as a cocaine dealer by driving around town knocking off the rivals of his crime boss, picking up prostitutes and gunning down whoever steps in the way, including pedestrians.

"They see this kind of stuff on television anyway," Ms. Mason says. "Besides, it's Christmas."

Led by Sony Corp. and Microsoft Corp. -- both of which have set their marketing sights on teenagers and older players -- the videogame business, like the movie industry, is focusing on adult-oriented entertainment. The fact that games like Vice City are so popular is putting a lot of pressure on parents of younger children who are clamoring for them. "We're actually seeing a lot of mothers coming in with their kids and buying the game for them," says Michael Glazer, chief executive of closely held KB, a 1,400-store chain based in Pittsfield, Mass.

The retailer checks for IDs among its younger buyers to adhere to the game industry's self-policed, voluntary rating system. "But the mothers just say, 'That's OK. I'm getting it for them,' " Mr. Glazer says.

From all appearances, Vice City, which features wild car chases, gun battles and a continuous stream of new adventures, is the industry's runaway hit of the season. Introduced last month, the game is made by Take-Two Interactive Software Inc. of New York, a game developer, for Sony's PlayStation 2 system. It is expected to end up as the year's top videogame, with four million units sold this holiday season -- a blockbuster in an industry where a million in annual sales is considered a major hit.

Other games with dark and adult-oriented themes are also expected to rank among this season's best sellers. Among them: Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell, a game about terrorists that plays on Microsoft's Xbox. In addition to Vice City, PlayStation 2 hits include 007: Nightfire, a sexy James Bond thriller; Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance, a martial-arts extravaganza featuring lots of decapitation; WWE Smackdown: Shut Your Mouth, an animated version of prime-time wrestling; and Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers.

It's quite a shift in an industry that rose to prominence on the shoulders of a happy acrobat named Super Mario, a hedgehog named Sonic and other youth-oriented characters. Even among titles made for Nintendo Ltd. -- Mario's creator -- the hottest-selling game is Metroid Prime, a shoot-'em-up production featuring sinister aliens that plays on the company's new GameCube system.

The trend prompted Zany Brainy, a toy retailer that caters to children age 10 and younger, to announce last month that it would no longer sell videogames. The company, which has 170 stores, cited a lack of "wholesome quality products" for younger children. The chain had been selling only E-rated games deemed suitable for everyone, but it said few such offerings were being developed. Zany's parent, FAO Inc., continues to sell videogames at its eight FAO Schwarz stores, whose target customers include older children.

Thanks to the older buyers and indulgent parents of the younger set, Santa is expected to be good to the industry this year. Videogames and consoles could bring in more than $10 billion in sales, up 10% from a year ago, analysts say. Games alone will account for $7.3 billion of that, up 22%, estimates Stewart Halpern, an RBC Dain Rauscher Inc. analyst.

A new plateful of kiddie offerings has also been turning in respectable sales, though not in the same league as the edgier stuff. Games aimed at children include Kingdom Hearts, a production that features Donald Duck, Goofy, Aladdin and others in the Disney fold; and Sly Cooper and the Thievious Racoonus, a PlayStation 2 game about a pilfering raccoon. A number of sports-oriented games, such as Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 and Madden NFL 2003, which is updated every year to reflect roster changes, also number among this season's standouts.

Nintendo's Mario Sunshine, which came out earlier this year, failed to produce the type of excitement for Nintendo's new GameCube system that was generated six years ago by Super Mario 64 when the company rolled out its Nintendo 64 system. Although the game is expected to crack the million-unit mark in sales this year, "it kind of got crowded out by a lot of competition," says Perrin Kaplin, Nintendo's U.S. marketing vice president.

Younger-oriented games are doing better in the hand-held sector dominated by Nintendo's Game Boy devices. Some of the hottest titles this Christmas for those systems: Harry Potter, The Legend of Zelda and Animal Crossing, a game with a feature that allows parents to leave messages for their kids.

But overall, the trend toward older-age games is expected to continue, analysts say. Although videogames were once dominated by those 14 and under, today 55% of gamers are 18 and older, according to the Interactive Digital Software Association, an industry group.

The changing demographics have prompted Nintendo's move to racier, more violent fare, such as Resident Evil (gruesome murders and zombies) and Eternal Darkness (bleeding walls and medieval gore). It is spending $140 million for holiday promotions, many of them aimed at the teen and young-adult market. More games targeted at older players are scheduled to be released for Nintendo's GameCube system.

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NickD

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They should reinstated child beating. Not abuse but a good whoop on the ass... The USA is such a stucked up place right now, everybody's suing everybody's for anything. Raise your kids right, teach them proper value and they won't turn as a bunch of low life thugs.
 

Hot Chocolate

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Originally posted by NickD:
<strong>They should reinstated child beating. Not abuse but a good whoop on the ass... The USA is such a stucked up place right now, everybody's suing everybody's for anything. Raise your kids right, teach them proper value and they won't turn as a bunch of low life thugs.</strong><hr></blockquote>

True, Ms. Mason's comments on that, "They see it on Tv and it's christmas" pretty much means that we can expect her son to be screwed up preson when he gets older. That's half-assed parenting at it's best
 

John

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Originally posted by NickD:
<strong>They should reinstated child beating. Not abuse but a good whoop on the ass... The USA is such a stucked up place right now, everybody's suing everybody's for anything. Raise your kids right, teach them proper value and they won't turn as a bunch of low life thugs.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Word. Apparently, we don't beat our children anymore. We do more civilized things... like doping them up and spoiling them rotten. :rolleyes:

Seriously, though, I think we can learn much from the people of Singapore. You only have to ask again once after a couple of whacks to the spinal column.
 

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so this lady is bitching, because her son is a spoilt brat. idiots
 

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The world's a very dank, societal nightmare full of people who are Grey... very little is black and white anymore. The person who is a hero today is yesterday's criminal or psycho. Today's psycho or criminal was last year's *Man of the year* or media icon. That's the way the dice is loaded, nothing we can do but raise kids in the early years to have the basic senses of right and wrong (as accepted by the masses) and realize that when kids leave their house it's truly the world that raises them. In the end the world be wiped clean of what is or is not truly EVIL, and all the bickering of game related violence, gun control and other B.S. will fall to the way side. So what's the big deal we have games with violence in it? With fucking in it? We're barbaric by nature and only the strong survive no matter what the "rules of engagment tell us"

Just my 2 Cents
 

NickD

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Originally posted by John:
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Word. Apparently, we don't beat our children anymore. We do more civilized things... like doping them up and spoiling them rotten. :rolleyes:

Seriously, though, I think we can learn much from the people of Singapore. You only have to ask again once after a couple of whacks to the spinal column.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I know your post is full of sarcasm. I didn't meant to beat them up to a pulp. Just the usual slap on the ass thing that was popular pre '85 ;) . We are evolving in a contradictory society. On one side, you have the anti violence movement trying to take a stance and on the other side, you got the education problems. They think they can solve everything just by talking. A 6 year old doesn't understand the bad from the good even if you spend 12 hours of your day telling him. He's not matured enough. Young children are like animals during their first years (0-4,5). They have to be taught, not talked. After those years you can start to talk to them about what's wrong and right.
 

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So what?i got Mortal Kombat 2 for my 11th birthday and i turned out just fine. I even showed my mom retile's 'Head Eat' fatality and she burst out laughing when he went 'mmmmm' at the end of it.
 

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Originally posted by NickD:
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I know your post is full of sarcasm. I didn't meant to beat them up to a pulp. Just the usual slap on the ass thing that was popular pre '85 ;) . We are evolving in a contradictory society. On one side, you have the anti violence movement trying to take a stance and on the other side, you got the education problems. They think they can solve everything just by talking. A 6 year old doesn't understand the bad from the good even if you spend 12 hours of your day telling him. He's not matured enough. Young children are like animals during their first years (0-4,5). They have to be taught, not talked. After those years you can start to talk to them about what's wrong and right.</strong><hr></blockquote>

BINGO!!!!!!!
We have a winner here!!!
 

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Originally posted by NickD:
<strong> [...] They think they can solve everything just by talking. A 6 year old doesn't understand the bad from the good even if you spend 12 hours of your day telling him. He's not matured enough. Young children are like animals during their first years (0-4,5). They have to be taught, not talked. After those years you can start to talk to them about what's wrong and right.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

Crap. UTTER crap.
 

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i think as so far as video games of recent are concerned
its a catch 22.
yes the industry is heading up to an older
generation (the generation that grew up with games)
but it is also affecting the younger crowd too.
i m all for more mature titles but the reality is
is that there is no observance of the rating system.
when you have parents that are fucking puss'
and get their kid whatever the fuck they want because
the little bitches are whining 24.7 then yea.
they ll get the game.
i hardly see how the mature themes such as the ones
found in vice city or gta, bmxxx or whatever flavor you want
are appropriate for younger people.
i would suggest more restrictions like carding folks.
but then you have the inherent problem of dumbass
parents without balls to stand up to their kids nowadays.
that are pushovers.
so there you go. catch 22.
its just like movies. you cant stop a kid from going to an R movie.
its simply goes back to the parents having to be
involved with the childs upbringing.

[ December 18, 2002: Message edited by: rarehero ]</p>
 

Hot Chocolate

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Originally posted by rarehero:
<strong>i think as so far as video games of recent are concerned
its a catch 22.
yes the industry is heading up to an older
generation (the generation that grew up with games)
but it is also affecting the younger crowd too.
i m all for more mature titles but the reality is
is that there is no observance of the rating system.
when you have parents that are fucking puss'
and get their kid whatever the fuck they want because
the little bitches are whining 24.7 then yea.
they ll get the game.
i hardly see how the mature themes such as the ones
found in vice city or gta, bmxxx or whatever flavor you want
are appropriate for younger people.
i would suggest more restrictions like carding folks.
but then you have the inherent problem of dumbass
parents without balls to stand up to their kids nowadays.
that are pushovers.
so there you go. catch 22.
its just like movies. you cant stop a kid from going to an R movie.
its simply goes back to the parents having to be
involved with the childs upbringing.

[ December 18, 2002: Message edited by: rarehero ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


When your right, your right
 

Buro Destruct

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i see this all the time where i work. Johnny McEight-year-old comes into the store and asks for Vice City. I ask where their parent is, and they reply they're in the car. I have to force them to bring the parent in so I can sell them this game. Of course, all I get is annoyed looks and jackass "I'm such a tired parent and your irritating me after a hard day of work at my shitty job" sighs, when all I'm trying to do is keep their goddamn children in line for once.

I guess if Tommy Vercetti can keep the kids out of the parent's hair for a few hours a night, so much the better huh?

[ December 18, 2002: Message edited by: Buro Destruct ]</p>
 

NickD

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Originally posted by Takumaji:
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<img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

Crap. UTTER crap.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh maybe Mista Takumaji has a better psychological point of view on the whole thing. Come on, share it with me instead of saying I'm writing crap... come with valid points and then MAYBE I'll start thinking you're a decent human being who doesn't deserve to die like the rest!!
 

John

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Originally posted by NickD:
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I know your post is full of sarcasm. I didn't meant to beat them up to a pulp. Just the usual slap on the ass thing that was popular pre '85 ;) . We are evolving in a contradictory society. On one side, you have the anti violence movement trying to take a stance and on the other side, you got the education problems. They think they can solve everything just by talking. A 6 year old doesn't understand the bad from the good even if you spend 12 hours of your day telling him. He's not matured enough. Young children are like animals during their first years (0-4,5). They have to be taught, not talked. After those years you can start to talk to them about what's wrong and right.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually, I wasn't being sarcastic. I've heard good things about Singapore, and I'm sure that public canings aren't entirely unrelated to that.
 

NickD

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Originally posted by John:
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Actually, I wasn't being sarcastic. I've heard good things about Singapore, and I'm sure that public canings aren't entirely unrelated to that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well then we are on the same wave length. People don't seem to realize that a 5 year old kid can't make the difference between good or bad no matter how much you speak to them.

That's a very well documented and controversial subject in psychology though. Some say the spanking should be allowed, some claims it should be a crime. I say a little spanking has never killed anybody.
 

Bluevoodu

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When parents let their kids control their parents..... they are tools.

Kids shouldn't see some different content that is in video games. Not correcting your kid is almost a form of child-neglect :)


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