Jhendix: Whats that you were saying about macs just breaking 60fps in quake?

less than joseph · Dec 16, 2002

I seem to recall you saying something about how we JUST broke 60fps in quake3. Please refer to the following scan from macworld.

Weeeellllll the top stat is from the dual 1.25gzh tower, BUT the bottom two are system results from the dual 1ghz tower (one is with DDR and one is without). Gee Jimmy, it would be awful hard for the mac to have JUST broken 60 when the dual 1ghz model has been out for so long.

gutted.

-joseph

[ December 16, 2002: Message edited by: joseph ]

mookystains · Dec 16, 2002

well, my dad could beat up your dad.

less than joseph · Dec 16, 2002

Originally posted by mookystains:
well, my dad could beat up your dad.<hr></blockquote>

Im not inviting you to my brithday party <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" /> <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" /> <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" />

-joseph

TonK · Dec 16, 2002

I have a Windows based PC and I still think Macs own.

evil wasabi · Dec 16, 2002

yea, but how much more times is that gonna cost you than a pc that can do way better?

kernow · Dec 16, 2002

:o

someone look up some ALU integer performance stats on distributed.net Puh-lease <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />

less than joseph · Dec 16, 2002

Originally posted by sonic1687:
yea, but how much more times is that gonna cost you than a pc that can do way better?<hr></blockquote>

How much better can pc do? Find me some benchmarks to show me that the new macs are vastly inferior to a cheaper peecee. I dont think its possible. Im not saying macs are the best gaming machines out there; Im just trying to show that they can certainly hold their own

-joseph

p.s. you and your friends are all tools and I dont think you know what your talking about.

Phoenix Down · Dec 16, 2002

Wow, that's pretty cool...I didn't know the editors at macworld did white widow too!

Megatron X · Dec 16, 2002

Honestly, I really wish I had the money to buy a Mac. I really like them A LOT.

evil wasabi · Dec 16, 2002

geforce 4 ti4200 over 120fps in fucking 1600x1200

<a href="http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/gf4ti4200/gf4_4.htm" target="_blank">http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/gf4ti4200/gf4_4.htm</a>

even a geforce 2 mx can pull over 50 fps in quake 3 at 1024x768x32 which is a $50 card

and look at the geforce 2 ti, ~$100 card i think, can pull over $150

<a href="http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1581&p=22" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1581&p=22</a>

TheBigBB · Dec 16, 2002

I have a Mac (G4) and a PC. I'm not a big computer gamer, and they make all the big name games for the Mac that I would want, so I use it for gaming. It's much more stable. Never seen it crash in the year I've had it.

kernow · Dec 16, 2002

RC5-64 decrunching ( integer based )

#model #mhz #keyrate

Power PC 7400 G4 350 3,084,014
Power PC 7400 G4 400 3,531,439
Power PC 7400 G4 550 4,861,886
Power PC 7400 G4 1066 9,494,325

AMD Athlon XP (Palomino) 1704 6,117,268
AMD Athlon XP (Palomino) 1740 6,236,530
AMD Athlon XP (Palomino) 1768 6,619,187
AMD Athlon XP (Palomino) 1800 5,497,447
AMD Athlon XP (Palomino) 1867 6,695,634
AMD Athlon XP (Palomino) 1900 5,620,540
AMD Athlon XP (Palomino) 1915 5,330,389
AMD Athlon XP (Palomino) 2000 5,873,201
AMD Athlon XP (Palomino) 2001 5,929,991
AMD Athlon XP (Palomino) 2100 6,128,961
AMD Athlon XP (Palomino) 2200 6,723,741

Intel Pentium 4 2000 3,591,857
Intel Pentium 4 2010 4,198,534
Intel Pentium 4 2020 3,748,241
Intel Pentium 4 2074 2,960,206
Intel Pentium 4 2100 3,880,181
Intel Pentium 4 2200 3,524,387
Intel Pentium 4 2400 4,242,550
Intel Pentium 4 2533 4,708,779
Intel Pentium 4 2556 3,644,544
Intel Pentium 4 2599 4,928,908
Intel Pentium 4 2667 5,353,426
Intel Pentium 4 2800 5,522,975

Blaine · Dec 16, 2002

Originally posted by kernow:
Palomino<hr></blockquote>

Palomino? They're beautifuly. Gorgeous. Wonderful golden fur.

kernow · Dec 16, 2002

kernow · Dec 16, 2002

neiiighh ( <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" /> )

JHendrix · Dec 16, 2002

Excuse me, but I said that macs just broke the 100FPS marker in Quake 3. I even told you to look at the benchmarks in the latest macworld if you remember. If you really care ask Bonus or Jigen or someone to look at the chat logs from back when we had this discussion.

Sure 100FPS isn't a big difference, but it's still a benchmark level that you can judge gaming performance by from different systems. BTW, to break 100FPS in Quake 3 is something that is extremely sad to just happen this day and age. Considering the PC did it how many years ago??

BTW lets look at some other benchmarks:

UT on a Dual 867Mhz G4:

Return to Castle Wolfenstien

View the whole review of the system here: <a href="http://www.insidemacgames.com/reviews/view.php?ID=323&Page=1" target="_blank">http://www.insidemacgames.com/reviews/view.php?ID=323&Page=1</a>

Sure that's not the fastest Mac around, it's the lowest end G4 that is currently available, but I can't find any game benchmarks for the newer systems. BTW, I'd like to add that with that machine being the CHEAPEST G4 you can get from Apple, to get it with a GeForce4 Ti w/ 128Mb of VRAM will cost you $2050+Shipping and Tax. My PC that breaks well over 100FPS on Quake3, UT, and RTCW only cost me $800 back in the SUMMER when I put it together, and it is definitely NOT the fastest machine to be had today.

I would love to see the benchmarks on the newest G4 for UT2k3, but that game isn't even out yet on the Mac, and it's been on PC for how long now? It's ok it'll be "playable" at the next Macworld show in SF, expect it to retail about a month after. BTW, compare that to the latest gaming PC that can be made for about HALF of what your high end G4 will. My buddies Athlon XP1600 and a Radeon 9700 Pro can run UT2k3 at over 60FPS running with FULL EFFECTS AND at 1280x1024@32Bit color. Macs couldn't even dream of doing that at their current level.

Facts are facts, Macs are great for 2D illustration and editing, publishing layout, and video editing. However they are big pieces of ASSTASTIC trash when it comes to games and 3D graphics. And to add further insult to injury, the latest 3Ghz P4 with Hyperthreading (it can act like a SMP system with having only 1 processor since it can compute two threads simultaneously) is eating away at the superiority in video editing that Macs have.

You were saying something about being gutted? Look in the mirror.

Peace

JHendrix

[ December 16, 2002: Message edited by: JHendrix ]

brentsg · Dec 16, 2002

They just opened a new mall in St. Louis and it has a Mac store. Went in there last week and there isn't much I didn't drool over. The OS is awesome and the style is very cool. The 22" widescreen LCD is the best monitor I've ever seen. It's incredible. I'm sure the response time is too slow for gaming but it's perfect for anything else.

I've been dissatisfied with PC gaming for a while and if I needed a PC I'd be pretty tempted to go Mac at this point.

The high-end laptop was sweet too!

B (my dual Athlon MP rig will do for now)

John · Dec 16, 2002

Originally posted by mookystains:
well, my dad could beat up your dad.<hr></blockquote>

That's probably true, because sadly my daddy doesn't have access to firearms. <img src="graemlins/loco.gif" border="0" alt="[Loco]" />

Three guesses where that line came from (more or less).

JHendrix · Dec 16, 2002

Look macs are fun machines, but honestly if you're going to argue them as gaming rigs you're just smoking crack.

I'm going to get a iBook or maybe even a Powerbook when I graduate for general web-surfing and mobile use (wireless is nice). I want it cause I like to play w/ Macs, they're fun. But honestly if I didn't have the money, and I could only have 1 platform it'd be the PC. You can do so much more with it, least of all Gaming. I mean you can NOT deny that PC gaming is better on Wintel than it is on the Mac.

Peace

JHendrix

less than joseph · Dec 16, 2002

No! you said 60! I didnt just make an ass of myself for no reason.

curses.

-joseph

JHendrix · Dec 16, 2002

Originally posted by joseph:
No! you said 60! I didnt just make an ass of myself for no reason.

curses.

-joseph<hr></blockquote>

No, I said 100. Remember I was the one who told you to look at the latest MacWorld and at the latest benchmarks for the new G4's...why would I tell you that and say 60FPS when they just broke 100.... <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" />

Gutted...

Peace

JHendrix

RabbitTroop · Dec 16, 2002

Truth is, I love Macs, I have two in front of me now, but what JHendrix said is true, they are far from desirable as gaming machines. I don't really know if that is a surprise to anyone though, they really aren't built for that. They are great work horses for what they do, but I agree the PC is more versatile... It is like one of those driving games... The Mac has great speed and power in certain areas, but lacks in others... where as the PC has nice all around levels

To be completly honest... I hate OS X, hate it. It ruined the mac in my eyes. Sure I use it on this G4 since it takes advantage of the dual processors, but I really like classic and I will miss it (it will be discontinued and will not work on new macs after June 03). Ah well, I still wouldn't record and mix down on anything else but my mac, but I couldn't throw my PC away either

-Nick

dullbuoy · Dec 17, 2002

Originally posted by nruva:
To be completly honest... I hate OS X, hate it.<hr></blockquote>

we are currently in the process of upgrading all our computers in the department (i'm a corporate designer) to the new g4s. so far only 2 people have them and they are not having that great of a time with OSX. i tried it out a bit since i should be getting mine configured by IS this week, and some of what i regularly use in the OS9 doesnt even work on OSX
(mainly Sherlock no longer being the default search program in the finder)

kernow · Dec 17, 2002

*wakes up*

woah,

lemonflav · Dec 17, 2002

Originally posted by joseph:


Im not inviting you to my brithday party <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" /> <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" /> <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" />

-joseph<hr></blockquote>

Hey ass! I didn't get invited to your birthday party? <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" />

Jhendix: Whats that you were saying about macs just breaking 60fps in quake?

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