Will buying Capcom be enough to save the flagging GameCube? (No flaming please)

Metal Slug · Dec 15, 2002

Firstly, let me just say that I am the biggest Ninty fan in the whole Fucking world!
I'm not however, a console facist, I love the DC, and suprisingly (cos I thought I'd hate it) I love the X-Box.
I'm not a PS2 fan, although I had one for a year. I thought it was a sloppily designed, poorly exectuted sub-Dreamcast piece of hardware.

So, to business.

The Capcom rumour seems to be the most likley of the 'Megaton' rumours. Question is, if Nintendo Acquire Capcom, and then if they make ALL Capcom releases exclusive to Nintendo consoles, is it going to be enough to turn around their flagging fortunes?

Yeah, I know, my heart says YES!
But, I thought that having Resi would make PS2 owners go running to the ATM.
So, seeing as it didnt, will a few more Capcom titles (None as big business as Resi Evil) make any difference?

With Sony currently having over half of the entire video games market share, what will it take to make the game buying public go over to Nintendo?

I love my cube! And the thought of having exclusive Capcom titles on it is just another good reason to have it! But thats me, I like 2D fighters, and for that matter 2D shooters, the Resi series etc.

Capcom already have an almost 'retro' feel, especially with younger gamers who may not appreciate the full glory of the second dimension.

At least Nintendo will now be able to counter the 'Can't make a fighting game' critisism, thats been leveled at them so many times over the years.

But what other 'real' advantages are there to the acquisition of Capcom?

Would buying Sega have given them a more varied portfolio with a broader appeal?

Certainly, a lot of dyed-in-the-wool, Capcom loving, Nintendo haters are gonna be pissed about it!
But I find myself thinking that if the average PS2 owner is happy witht the standard of the average PS2 release, is the actual quality of games even an issue any more?

I actually think that the GC has got by far the strongest X-mas line up of triple 'A' titles!
And that has earned it around a 7% market share.
Now dont flame me, or start another console war thread. I'm genuinely interested to hear what people think about this and the whole console situation at the moment.

[ December 15, 2002: Message edited by: Metal Slug ]

evil wasabi · Dec 15, 2002

in a word NO.

I doubt Capcom is looking to be bought by anybody and it would be a poor investment. I love Capcom Dearly however they haven't been doing too much orignal content 80% of releases are rehash and Steel battlion is selling wayyyyyyyyyyyy too well for Capcom to be swallowed up by Nintendo before they could cash in on future titles.

while it is true that Capcom has some GC orignal Content upcomming there is plenty of rehash coughresidentevilcough

Capcom is best off as a 3rd party.

This is not to say I'm anti Nintendo. while I won't forgive them for their past practices I think Nintendo is doing well with the cube and the best thing they can do is pump out more games. I don't think there will be a Megaton annoucement. I think as is always the case with them was all hype.

I look foward to getting a cube and getting reaquainted with some old friends.

[ December 15, 2002: Message edited by: bemanisuperstar ]

Mike Shagohod · Dec 15, 2002

I honestly believe that in today's gaming market, Capcom being bought out by Nintendo or any company aquiring this or that company doesn't mean a whole lot overall. As you stated, today ppl want to play games (anything that looks cool and controls about average) more than they're concerned with "A" titles. Thing is even with us all having our favorite console over another, most of us (ppl in here who are die-hards) either own all 3 systems or will own all 3 at some point. Thus, while the Biohazard series is a big deal within that genre of gaming, and the Street Fighter franchise still carrying weight, it matters not. In the year 2003 for all purposes, Capcom does not have the blitzkreig heavy weight status they once wielded in the SFII days. Same could be said about RARE now being owned by Microsoft. Sure, that company will find things out about the XBOX that have yet to be unleashed, but at the end of the day... People flock and/or stick to a product that has for all purposes become ingrained in their daily habbit.

Thus Sony is Nintendo in it's prime...
XBOX is SEGA in it's prime...
and "A" titles or not, Nintendo has become the TG-16/Turbo Duo of this phase of the console wars. And that's not a put down either, it's simply the fact that while the TG16 was in some lights better than the Megadrive and Super Fami, it didn't sell as well in the USA. So gone are the days when ppl flock to this system or that system, it's all moot now. It's almost like bigotry itself... we live in a global community where the majority couldn't care less the color of a persons skin (excluding simple minded ppl) because it's all about if you're "Economically Viable" to the global system overall. Anyone not within this margin is the outcast, and thus not so openly made to fall in line, making those questionable to the Wa (or harmony) of the collective majority the problem overall... thus meaning... the companies are all one in the same in their aims, we (the consumers) are expected to buy all of the systems, even the mainstreamers because we live in a world where it takes nothing to charge a card for money we don't even have. The fact that companies buy out other "recognized" companies for possible exclusitivity is just icing on the proverbial cake... it's there to get little johnny whinning about needing this system, even though he has that system and in the end he gets all three.

That's just my take on it though and I'm sure many will disagree.

Kid Aphex · Dec 15, 2002

It seems like the most understandable rumor. Capcom and N have been pretty close it seems; i mean, letting Capcom Co-Dev one of Nintendo's flagship titles? [zelda for GB, and GBA]

I really dont see Nintendo going anywhere.
I don't see microsoft going anywhere.
This is a new, wierd world.
There seems to be enough room in the market for all three consoles.

At least this time around.

Blaine · Dec 15, 2002

All preference aside, taking off my "gamer" hat...

The GameCube doesn't need to be saved. Just because a console isn't #1 in every market doesn't mean it's a failure (look at the URL for this site to see that). I don't think anyone ever thought the GameCube would beat the PS2, honestly no one will. There's just too many people with one and it is pretty much the defacto "game appliance" (meaning the unit someone buys if they're a casual game player, like...Johnny gets a new job, he buys a new stereo, TV and a PS2... Person X, only plays Madden, he buys a PS2 to play Madden...My sister has one for christ's sake, she plays Fifa and that's it.). What I tell everyone I know when they ask me, I tell them the PS2 will be around the longest and probably have the largest library. HOWEVER, for my money, the Nintendo exclusives are more tempting than the PS2 exclusives (although Fighter Maker 2, Akira Psychoball, GTA:VC, Mojib Ribbon, Raugaki Kingdom... are making a hell of a stance for me to buy a PS2 on the next price break).

Financially...the GameCube is making money.

The system is having more and more high quality exclusive titles, and the user base is growing at a nice happy rate.

I don't think it needs "saved". Can the purchase of Capcom propell the GameCube into first place? Hell no.

Might it help to secure 2nd place? I'd say it'd do more for Nintendo than Rare did/does for Microsoft (Love Conker in a very real and powerful way...Rare hasn't really made anything in a while and the bottom line shows it. Still, a hell of a good house to have exclusivly. Then again, same could be said for Capcom. They haven't shocked the world since Resident Evil. I think both of them have it in them to pull off something big and if for no other reason than it's a larger house, Capcom has a better chance of doing it or at the least releasing a lot of very good titles, possibly this new exclusive 5).

But the only thing that could 'catch' the PS2 in terms of sales is the GBA. And, I firmly believe if Nintendo keeps up with the GBA>GC connectability, you might see some GC being sold to GBA owners. Maybe, maybe not.

buster_broon · Dec 15, 2002

Originally posted by Blaine:
But the only thing that could 'catch' the PS2 in terms of sales is the GBA. And, I firmly believe if Nintendo keeps up with the GBA>GC connectability, you might see some GC being sold to GBA owners. Maybe, maybe not.<hr></blockquote>

totally agree in every thing you have said - apart from the last part

sicne you brought the gba into the equation

we could say will the ps2 ever catch up the game boy - never

on the actual home console market the ps2 is untouchable because of its user base and no matter how much i would love the gc to catch it up - it never will (same goes for the billy box)

i think the gamecube is profitable

suppose it would mean devil may cry 2 on gamecube amongst other s which would be nice

Metal Slug · Dec 15, 2002

Dont get me wrong, Im under no illusion that the GC will tople the PS2 from the numero uno position, sales wise.
But, with a dwindling 6-7% share of the overall market, what will it take to make the GC more than just a 'fringe' format?
Dont forget, the PS1 still accounts for around 13% of sales (UK all format)
Add to that the increase in X-box sales (now the deals are too good to miss), and the GC is not looking even as healthy as the DC did before Sega canned it.

buster_broon · Dec 15, 2002

Originally posted by Metal Slug:
the GC is not looking even as healthy as the DC did before Sega canned it.<hr></blockquote>

mate the best thing to do is get a switched machine

i am loving my gc right now as there are loads of great games out now

and i dont have to wait until march - when feb/march hits i would expect it to pick up once a couple of AAA titles hit europe

i am in the uk but because of a switched gamecube all i care about is the Jap/Us market were the games are in abundance

Tsuyugasumi · Dec 15, 2002

I totally regret getting a Pal Cube? A switched Jap/US would have been a far better option. <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />
It wouldn't be so bad for Pal gamers if there was some kind of mod or boot disc available? So we could be getting the good stuff! <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

Still at least I have plenty to do in the mean time! <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" />

Plisken · Dec 15, 2002

Originally posted by Tsuyugasumi:
I totally regret getting a Pal Cube? A switched Jap/US would have been a far better option. <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />
It wouldn't be so bad for Pal gamers if there was some kind of mod or boot disc available? So we could be getting the good stuff! <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

Still at least I have plenty to do in the mean time! <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" /> <hr></blockquote>

Well seeing as Nintendo Europe hates us, the reason the FreeLoader is not out yet is because nintendo europe have some 'legal wranglings' with it. Read- it won't come out. Maybe instead of faffying around with pathetic shit like trying to ban a boot disc, they should get their asses in gear and release the good GC games in PAL format. as far as i'm concerned, nintendo deserve the 8% in the market

Tsuyugasumi · Dec 15, 2002

True they keep trying to stop the UK & Europe from being able to play imports, but never stop to think why? <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" />
Hmm Maybe its because they dont give us the good stuff til everyone else has had it for time! <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

Silvergun · Dec 15, 2002

I don't think the Gamecube is going away haha.....I mean its like right there with x-box the last time i heard. And I can really care if it sells or not cuz I love the games on that system!

Metal Slug · Dec 15, 2002

I hear that the Freeloader code IS totally finished, and that the problem for Datel is getting the blank disks to put it on.

For sure though, Datel want it done ASAP, as its tied into their action replay cheat disk for GC, and they've said that this project takes priority over the region-x for x-box, which is on hold until freeloader is finished.

So all in all they probobly want it on the shelves as much as we do.

GCNrulez · Dec 15, 2002

the Gamecube is somewhat struggling, but the GBA is raking in loads of money for Nintendo. after thanksgiving day, one million GBA systems were sold in a period of ten days <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" />

Metal Slug · Dec 15, 2002

Originally posted by buster_broon:


mate the best thing to do is get a switched machine

i am loving my gc right now as there are loads of great games out now

and i dont have to wait until march - when feb/march hits i would expect it to pick up once a couple of AAA titles hit europe

i am in the uk but because of a switched gamecube all i care about is the Jap/Us market were the games are in abundance

<hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I know! But if I do, then freeloader will come out the very next day!
(Always happens like that)
But I know a guy who can do me a good deal on a Silver US one!
So if Datel dont sort their shit out, I may just have to!

Metal Slug · Dec 15, 2002

Originally posted by GCNrulez:
the Gamecube is somewhat struggling, but the GBA is raking in loads of money for Nintendo. after thanksgiving day, one million GBA systems were sold in a period of ten days <img src="graemlins/glee.gif" border="0" alt="[Glee]" /> <hr></blockquote>

Even the GBA is really struggling in the UK!
A 4% market share, with even the now defunct GBC managing to still have around 1%.

I dont want the GC to struggle! I know that expecting it to topple the 40+% that the PS2 has is just a dream, but I would like to see the GC account for a more healthy 20-25% share of overall sales!

I do think Nintendo are a canny player, and the acquisition of Capcom cannot be a bad thing. Combined with some decent up-coming releases, and some decent hardware add-ons, Ninty could be on the right track....
But, having been a loyal fan for so long, its difficult to have faith in a company that so loves to drop the ball!

JHendrix · Dec 15, 2002

1.) Nintendo aquiring Capcom would kill most good games people were looking forward to on GC, because I would kill Miyamoto.

2.) Even if they did by Capcom it wouldn't do much for them at all, seeing as how the strongest Capcom franchise is almost 100% exclusive to Nintendo hasn't done them much good, I don't see how the rest of the games will be much of a draw. Besides Resident Evil is selling, but not that well (it'd be HUGE if it was on PS2), hence I don't think Capcom's owners/shareholders would be too happy bout being bought by Nintendo.

Heh I wouldn't be surprized that after RE4 is out and done and the contract is up, that the RE games start going to PS2 with the way the sales numbers have been going.

Peace

JHendrix

GCNrulez · Dec 15, 2002

i think Sega, Capcom, and all those third-party companies would be STUPID if they decided to stay exclusive to just one system. I bet you anything, that if Microsoft didn't buy Rare, and they decided to go third-party, they would've made tons of money. They could've made a Conker and ported it to all next-gen systems, or maybe they could've kept some franchises exclusive to some systems. You could say that Nintendo gets Kameo, Microsoft gets Perfect Dark, and Sony gets Conker. but oh well <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

chimpmeister · Dec 15, 2002

Originally posted by Metal Slug:
Dont get me wrong, Im under no illusion that the GC will tople the PS2 from the numero uno position, sales wise.
But, with a dwindling 6-7% share of the overall market, what will it take to make the GC more than just a 'fringe' format?
Dont forget, the PS1 still accounts for around 13% of sales (UK all format)
Add to that the increase in X-box sales (now the deals are too good to miss), and the GC is not looking even as healthy as the DC did before Sega canned it.<hr></blockquote>

Nothing will save Nintendo from having been categorized as producing kiddie games. Purchasing of Capcom would in no way tip the balance, just as the MS purchase of Rare won't by itself tip the balance for MS.

And after the latest batch of Celda: The Wind Breaker screens, its no wonder Nintendo has this reputation:

I could post hundreds more, but whats the point? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />

FeelGood · Dec 15, 2002

Considering how stupid the anti-nintendo folk are (about as stupid as the anti-any-console crowd), yeah, I guess they'll never come up with anything more original than "kiddie games system" to define it...

Capcom wouldn't "save" nintendo.

And... According to my ex-gf, Nintendo is worried about the fact that they haven't sold a lot of consoles, and stupidly thought that after their announcement of Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles they'd sell more systems. But they didn't and so they asked her supervisor, who asked her to ask me, because I'm the super-otaku, and I told them that no square fan needs a gamecube until FFCC is released, and not a day before... Well, nintendo is not that smart. Neither is Microsoft. All of these run by old men that never play games. Except Minami, Miyamoto, and the president of Sega...

Originally posted by chimpmeister:


Nothing will save Nintendo from having been categorized as producing kiddie games. Purchasing of Capcom would in no way tip the balance, just as the MS purchase of Rare won't by itself tip the balance for MS.

And after the latest batch of Celda: The Wind Breaker screens, its no wonder Nintendo has this reputation:
<hr></blockquote>

TheBigBB · Dec 16, 2002

Originally posted by chimpmeister:
And after the latest batch of Celda: The Wind Breaker screens, its no wonder Nintendo has this reputation<hr></blockquote>

You ought to get a suspension. I'm sick of seeing you troll around everyone's topics. It's not like I'm realy mad or anything, but you really are out of hand. You don't just do it to nintendo threads... You also keep posting that nasty monkey pic on Makismo's threads for example. I don't like the guy either, but come on man. Stop the madness already.

Kid Aphex · Dec 16, 2002

Originally posted by dmhawkmoon:


You ought to get a suspension. I'm sick of seeing you troll around everyone's topics. It's not like I'm realy mad or anything, but you really are out of hand. You don't just do it to nintendo threads... You also keep posting that nasty monkey pic on Makismo's threads for example. I don't like the guy either, but come on man. Stop the madness already.<hr></blockquote>

Chimp's getting old already.

No i mean, he's getting old. he's fucking 40. You wouldn't guess it i know but, seriously...

JHendrix · Dec 16, 2002

Originally posted by dmhawkmoon:


You ought to get a suspension. I'm sick of seeing you troll around everyone's topics. It's not like I'm realy mad or anything, but you really are out of hand. You don't just do it to nintendo threads... You also keep posting that nasty monkey pic on Makismo's threads for example. I don't like the guy either, but come on man. Stop the madness already.<hr></blockquote>

Why do people get upset when he posts pics of the game?

Peace

JHendrix

Kid Aphex · Dec 16, 2002

Originally posted by JHendrix:


Why do people get upset when he posts pics of the game?

Peace

JHendrix<hr></blockquote>

oh come on

that was good though.

it's not the pics anyone's sick of, its his trolling every gamecube thread and spamming it with graemlins and 900x900 pics that kill 56k users.

Sounds like a productive member of the community!

RiotoftheBlood · Dec 16, 2002

Originally posted by buster_broon:


totally agree in every thing you have said - apart from the last part

sicne you brought the gba into the equation

we could say will the ps2 ever catch up the game boy - never

on the actual home console market the ps2 is untouchable because of its user base and no matter how much i would love the gc to catch it up - it never will (same goes for the billy box)

i think the gamecube is profitable

suppose it would mean devil may cry 2 on gamecube amongst other s which would be nice<hr></blockquote>

I think it's very possible. The Game Boy has sold so many units, it's almost sick... you could say that the GBA hasn't had a quick of a start as the GB, but consider that there is NO opposition this time arond. NO Game Gear, and none of the other handhelds which provided so little opposition to the Behemoth that was the Game Boy that they not even need be mentioned, our beloved NGP included. The GBA is going to be around for a long, long, time, and it's going to sell a hell of a lot of units, espeically if Nintendo produces a unit with an improved display, and they did with the original GB... twice.

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