Any sword collectors

Originally posted by ShinIoriYagami:
<strong>Lets Discuss.'

Im intrested in swords and i would like to know your opinions</strong><hr></blockquote>

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This is a very expensive hobby, too!

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Originally posted by the_move:
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This is a very expensive hobby, too!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeap about 200$ + for just one sword very expensive indeed

[ January 19, 2002: Message edited by: ShinIoriYagami ]</p>

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Originally posted by ShinIoriYagami:
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Yeap about 200$ + for just one sword very expensive indeed

[ January 19, 2002: Message edited by: ShinIoriYagami ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Uh, hello!

For a REAL SWORD, made of real steel, which lasts for Generations (made of "Damaszt steel") like a real Samurai Sword will cost you 2000+ $


No joke pal! I know an armoury in Germany, which sells real swords!

They are of top quality with lifetime guaranty, ´but they certainly have their price!

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Originally posted by the_move:
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Uh, hello!

For a REAL SWORD, made of real steel, which lasts for Generations (made of "Damaszt steel") like a real Samurai Sword will cost you 2000+ $


No joke pal! I know an armoury in Germany, which sells real swords!

They are of top quality with lifetime guaranty, ´but they certainly have their price!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey dont yell at me x_x for telling yo what i saw at my local mall at this store they sold this katana at this local mall for about 200$ it looked rather legit but that's why i nedded your opinion?

[ January 19, 2002: Message edited by: ShinIoriYagami ]</p>

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Originally posted by polnareef:
<strong>i dont collect sword...
coz...
sword can kills...
hmm...
weird word to say.... </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah they do sad but true but a person that's truley skilled with a sword can be a thing of art

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Originally posted by ShinIoriYagami:
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Hey dont yell at me x_x for telling yo what i saw at my local mall at this store they sold this katana at this local mall for about 200$ it looked rather legit but that's why i nedded your opinion?

[ January 19, 2002: Message edited by: ShinIoriYagami ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
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Sorry, I have not wanted to sound harsh!

But believe me! For 200$ you will only get junk!

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Originally posted by the_move:
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Sorry, I have not wanted to sound harsh!

But believe me! For 200$ you will only get junk!</strong><hr></blockquote>

it's cool thanks for telling me.'
i wont buy it then.

What swords have you bought.?

Im intrested in a Zweihander cause i heard it takes great strength to lift.

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Originally posted by ShinIoriYagami:
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it's cool thanks for telling me.'
i wont buy it then.

What swords have you bought.?

Im intrested in a Zweihander cause i heard it takes great strength to lift.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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Ah, sorry! I have not bought any yet!

But if I buy a sword, I will let my own idea being forged!

The armoury I know accepts own ideas (creations) for swords!

The only thing is the cost.

They once offered a sword for 10000+ Deutsch Marks!

Almost a Kizuna Encounter Euro!

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Originally posted by the_move:
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Ah, sorry! I have not bought any yet!

But if I buy a sword, I will let my own idea being forged!

The armoury I know accepts own ideas (creations) for swords!

The only thing is the cost.

They once offered a sword for 10000+ Deutsch Marks!

Almost a Kizuna Encounter Euro! </strong><hr></blockquote>

Sweet if you wever do get one take a picture of you and it.'

Pol: i was asking cause i think i can lift one of those two hands and probally one hand if i take out the time to learn.

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Originally posted by polnareef:
<strong>Zweihander is a tipical Broad sword...
the baldes are about 1- 1.5 metres height and the weight are about...8 to 12 kgs...
This sword is hard to used ...
Only the strong can lift this sword by single handed.....
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Not at all! It depends on the blade! How big or how slim it is!

A sword with a 2-hand hilt and a length of about 1,2 metres is called "Bastardsword" because it is a hybrid-sword (you can wield it either single or both handed). average weight is 4 Kilos.

Twohanded swords are up two 1,6 metres and have an average weight of 7 kilos.

Look at japanese Nodachi! They have 1,2 metres length, but less than 3 kilos in weight. Not bad, eh?!

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Originally posted by the_move:
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Not at all! It depends on the blade! How big or how slim it is!

A sword with a 2-hand hilt and a length of about 1,2 metres is called "Bastardsword" because it is a hybrid-sword (you can wield it either single or both handed). average weight is 4 Kilos.

Twohanded swords are up two 1,6 metres and have an average weight of 7 kilos.

Look at japanese Nodachi! They have 1,2 metres length, but less than 3 kilos in weight. Not bad, eh?!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Very tight nodachi is the type of sowrd i also would buy are they that expensive move?

Pol:Sweet Katana's also freaking own.'

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Originally posted by ShinIoriYagami:
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Very tight nodachi is the type of sowrd i also would buy are they that expensive move?

Pol:Sweet Katana's also freaking own.'</strong><hr></blockquote>
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You should try your luck in japan!

But I think they´re even more expensive than in Germany!

BTW do you know Yasha-Ou of Clamps´ "RG-Veda" Manga? He wields a nodachi!

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Originally posted by the_move:
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You should try your luck in japan!

But I think they´re even more expensive than in Germany!

BTW do you know Yasha-Ou of Clamps´ "RG-Veda" Manga? He wields a nodachi!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Tight i dont know who who he is but he has a really cool name

yeah they probally cost more in Germany there usually are the best at "broad swords,Zwei's Etc" .' i like how they make there armor as well

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Originally posted by ShinIoriYagami:
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Tight i dont know who who he is but he has a really cool name

yeah they probally cost more in Germany there usually are the best at "broad swords,Zwei's Etc" .' i like how they make there armor as well</strong><hr></blockquote>

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After WWII the British took our armours and put them into their museums (Tower of London i.e.)!

We had really huge and fine armours of historical meaning but now they are british property!

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Originally posted by the_move:
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After WWII the British took our armours and put them into their museums (Tower of London i.e.)!

We had really huge and fine armours of historical meaning but now they are british property!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Dammn that's #$#$@@#%#% up yo.

at least try to think about it this way.
German Armors are the real reason people go there thers still because of the mounumient but once your inside the armor is the main attraction sorry at least i tried to cheer ya up.'

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Originally posted by the_move:
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After WWII the British took our armours and put them into their museums (Tower of London i.e.)!

We had really huge and fine armours of historical meaning but now they are british property!</strong><hr></blockquote>


Umm, Correction!
During World War 2, "Your" country destroyed or stole almost every work of art or antique in the whole of continental Europe! Including Destroying irreplaceable heritage sites, landmarks, medieval cities, etc, etc the list is endless!
Most of the museums and major collections of Europe (well those that survived the "Blitz-Kreig") became the property of Nazi officers, party officials, and countless other greedy mass murdering war criminals!
We did not strip the museums of Germany after the war, we simply re-claimed what you had stolen from us and countless others! (To whom much was returned)
Well what we could, because obviously the destruction the Nazis wrought was so through that many collections and individual items of global cultural importance were lost forever!

Oh and FYI our history is just as long as yours, collections such as that in the Tower of London have been collected over the last thousand years!
We did not need to "steal" a damn thing from anyone! The towers collection is simply the finest in the world!

I personally own a Rapier made in Solingen in about 1580!
Was it "stolen" from your people?
NO IT F**CKING WELL WASNT!

Im sure many German collectors own similar swords made in Houndslow!

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Originally posted by Metal Slug:
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Umm, Correction!
During World War 2, "Your" country destroyed or stole almost every work of art or antique in the whole of continental Europe! Including Destroying irreplaceable heritage sites, landmarks, medieval cities, etc, etc the list is endless!
Most of the museums and major collections of Europe (well those that survived the "Blitz-Kreig") became the property of Nazi officers, party officials, and countless other greedy mass murdering war criminals!
We did not strip the museums of Germany after the war, we simply re-claimed what you had stolen from us and countless others! (To whom much was returned)
Well what we could, because obviously the destruction the Nazis wrought was so through that many collections and individual items of global cultural importance were lost forever!

Oh and FYI our history is just as long as yours, collections such as that in the Tower of London have been collected over the last thousand years!
We did not need to "steal" a damn thing from anyone! The towers collection is simply the finest in the world!

I personally own a Rapier made in Solingen in about 1580!
Was it "stolen" from your people?
NO IT F**CKING WELL WASNT!

Im sure many German collectors own similar swords made in Houndslow!</strong><hr></blockquote>
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Oh, really!

Well the crimes that the Nazis were correctly told by you, but still the British did not only regain their antiques but also take some items of "teuton" origin with them. Oh and the crown jewels are also a result of plundering countries during british imperialism (india, america and parts of Africa i.e.)

Oh, and besides did you know that other European states secretly sent jewish people back to Germany to get rid of them!

Sounds cruel and unbelievable, but as you certainly know, history is always written by the winners. And it is up to them to leave their crimes out!

No state is free of crime! In either Internal and External Affairs!

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Originally posted by the_move:
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Oh, really!

Well the crimes that the Nazis were correctly told by you, but still the British did not only regain their antiques but also take some items of "teuton" origin with them. Oh and the crown jewels are also a result of plundering countries during british imperialism (india, america and parts of Africa i.e.)

Oh, and besides did you know that other European states secretly sent jewish people back to Germany to get rid of them!

Sounds cruel and unbelievable, but as you certainly know, history is always written by the winners. And it is up to them to leave their crimes out!

No state is free of crime! In either Internal and External Affairs!

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"Well the crimes that the Nazis were correctly told by you, but still the British did not only regain their antiques but also take some items of "teuton" origin with them. Oh and the crown jewels are also a result of plundering countries during british imperialism (india, america and parts of Africa i.e.)"

I didnt think this was about imperialism?
As you may know German Imperialism was hardly any better than English or French, or Spanish for that matter!
Stop trying to move the argument away from your incorrect comments about the British plundering your country after the war!
If amonst the artifacts "liberated" from the Nazis there were a few of "genuinely" germanic origin, which hadn't simply been stolen from German Jewish collectors murdered by the Nazis?
Then thats just tough shit.
The loss to human culture caused by the destruction wrought by the Nazi war machine is beyond calculation! HOW DARE YOU LIKEN THE HOLOCAUST TO "OTHER COUNTRIES CRIMES"
And FYI The "British Empire" poured untold amounts of money into helping to rebuild a Germany ravaged by war and the evils of the Nazis and those who supported them.


"Oh, and besides did you know that other European states secretly sent jewish people back to Germany to get rid of them!"

Yes and I know which countries did that! BRITAIN WAS NOT ONE OF THEM!
But the fact that a few did collaborate with the Nazis "Final Solution" policies, hardly makes those policies less of an evil!
DOES IT?
That has to be the simple weakest excuse any apologist for Nazi attrocities has ever dared to use!


"Sounds cruel and unbelievable, but as you certainly know, history is always written by the winners. And it is up to them to leave their crimes out!"

That is so pathetic that I can only imagine that you simply dont know anything about the war at all?
If you really think that after the loss of 60,000,000 lives during the war and the famines and starvation that followed, the allies had nothing better to do than massage the truth about Axis war crimes, you are sicker than I imagined!

The simple "TRUTH" is that had the Axis powers won the war, there would have been very few of the races that suffered so terribly at the hands of the Nazis left to contradict the Nazi version of things!

"No state is free of crime! In either Internal and External Affairs!"

And I hardly need an apologist for the Nazis to tell me that!
But again, that wasnt the argument was it?

If Germany "donated" some art treasures to the allies after the war, it is insignificant to those they destroyed during it!
We can call them reparations!

Britain herself was paying back her war debt to the United States until the 1980s It cost us almost our entire precious metal reserves to complete this payment!

We could have done this much sooner had we not been busy helping to rebuild the rest of Europe including Germany!

We're not bitching about that are we?

You have disgraced not only yourself, but every decent German with your factually flawed and frankly offensive comments.

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