Neo Geo AES Vs. CDZ

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I was just wondering if anyone could give me some info on the CDZ system? Are they universal like the AES consoles and will Japanese games play in English on an American system? Is there a loss in animation as in the PSX and Saturn ports? Also, is there any way to give yourself infinite credits or modify the games in any way like the AES system? Any info would be appreciated.
 
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from what i know, it's like the AES, but it's cheaper cuase of the CD format.. but down side is, Neo-CD games are out of porduction......
 
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Originally posted by K-hunter:
<strong>from what i know, it's like the AES, but it's cheaper cuase of the CD format.. but down side is, Neo-CD games are out of porduction......</strong><hr></blockquote>
ahh here is the big problem the CD-Z has extremly LOOONNNGGG loading times sometimes up to 2 minutes btwn battles etc, very annoying, the up side is that the games are ALOT cheaper, so it basically comes down to thins, do u wantno load times and pay quite a bit more money, or do uwant cheaper games and long ass load times? also keep in mind that the games are outa production, i think they stoped production around 1996 or so, i may be wonrg, ne wyas either way you go have fun w/ it. cya
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Production run for CDs ended in 1999 not 96.

As for a "mod" for the CDZ... the only real thing that you can mod is what region code your system is running. Credit wise...alot of the CD games give you unlimited credits...like in magician lord and crossed swords,ect.

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Well, the games do default to the Japanese format since the system itself is Japanese. You can get it modded with a switch though to change the region. I wouldn't reccomend any of the later fighting games as the load times are absolutely terrible, I think the DC ports are more enjoyable. But, for the older games, I love the cdz, the only load time you really get is right in the beginning, then go have a blast, plus the sound kicks ass. Me personal, I only use my cdz for all the old games because they pretty much look the same as the AES to me plus they're a lot cheaper. Any kind of fighting game, that's what I have my DC for. But that's just me
 
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I bought a normal CD system and the load times are incredibly bad!! I can play any old games (like stated before) but any KOF game was HELL, KOF99s loading times were extreme
 
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ANY Neo CD system (Frontloader, Toploader, CDZ) confronts with absolutely unbearable loading times. That`s why mine got the kick looooong ago.
If this were not the case do you think AES prices would be as high as they are now?
 
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I think a major proplem of the CD system is the loss of effects

AoF 3 is without zooming i.e.

And in LB1 in Yuki´s stage the background is static (no holes in the snow from downed opponents, no snow falling off the roof or tree)

That´s also very irritating! :mad:
 
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I find that the CD system can be a good one for the neo geo. Neo means arcade and arcade means no waiting when you play. If you must wait 1 min between each battle, this loading time kill the interest of the game.
 
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I've posted in many threads covering CD/CDZ vs. AES/MVS, and everytime I see new "legends" surfacing about SNK's CD systems. :) "Two minutes loading time between levels"... Hehe, that's a good one. I must admit that the loading of the CD consoles takes long, but two mins... c'mon!

Some facts:

- The CD systems are universal, like the AES/MVS. Any game plays on any console version

- There have been PAL/Euro versions of CD consoles as well, which play the games in English by default (if available), and without blood

- Possible console mods are PAL to NTSC and vice versa, and a language select switch. There's no way to mod it with a debug bios (to get infinite credits, etc), but most CD games already have unlimited creds (unlike many AES/MVS games, where there are only 4)

- Some games have animation cuts. Examples are AOF3, SS4 and LB1+2. These cuts include pre-fight animation frames and some objects, but are hardly noticeable

- The loading times range between 5 and 55 secs, while some games (newer fighters, like KoF) also load between levels

- CDZ models are known to occassionally overheat, and have some intermittend loading problems with games >=1996

- There are some CD-only releases, like the famous Brikin'ger Ironclad shooter, Neo Geo CD special, Crossed Swords 2, etc.

- The sound tracks of the CD games are mostly superb, namely in games like AOF3, Ninja Master's, Real Bout, RBS, etc. They can also be used in a standard CD player

- The prices are much lower, nearly all CD titles are easily available

I could go on and on... I love my CD, and there's really no reason to bash it. Of course the AES/MVS is "better" in many ways, but I could have a near-complete collection of NeoCDs for the price of two or three AES carts, like MotW, Slug3, etc.
 
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Originally posted by Takumaji:
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- Some games have animation cuts. Examples are AOF3, SS4 and LB1+2. These cuts include pre-fight animation frames and some objects, but are hardly noticeable

- The loading times range between 5 and 55 secs, while some games (newer fighters, like KoF) also load between levels
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Oh it is very noticable that AoF 3 CD Version has no zooming!

besides in LB1 it takes 10 to 15 sec to load the prefight animation and afterwards comes a 70 sec. loading break. No shit!
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Originally posted by the_move
Oh it is very noticable that AoF 3 CD Version has no zooming![/QB]<hr></blockquote>

...and characters are 30% smaller... :(
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I had the CDZ and Last Blade 2 for about a month. I could go to the bathroom, watch ESPN, make a phone call, and get a beer from the fridge during the load time. Carts, either AES or MVS are worth the $$$ to me just for the sake of no load times.
 
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This is how look at it, i have an AES system and a CDZ. The CDZ is great for shooters and the odd sports game and of course metal slug (too expensive on cart)but my point being is that if your into fighters i would'nt go for a cd or even a cdz the loading is awfull but anything else is fine.

I must admit i use my AES system more (mslug x and 3)as it just feels a bit special. The great thing about the cd is you can buy the cd's for peanuts and if your really into a game you can trade up to the cart. (hence awating jap viewpont and saving for jap pulstar)

I would never be without my cdz even if i replaced all my cd's with carts as lets face it they look so cool together.

If you can get an AES system then go that way but "only" if you can only afford the carts. Hell if it's got NEO GEO on it who cares as i gurantee you that there will be a big grin on your face either way.

Have some fun.
 
Takumaji

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Originally posted by hartley hare:
<strong> [...] The great thing about the cd is you can buy the cd's for peanuts and if your really into a game you can trade up to the cart. (hence awating jap viewpont and saving for jap pulstar) [...] </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yep, this is exactly my point. Availability, low prices, good hardware, and you can always get the cart if you really can't stand the loading times or cuts.

Considering my income at the mo I could only dream of games like TSS, AOF3, NM, LB2, MS1 or Breakers if there would be no CD versions of 'em. These and other games are much more expensive over here in Europe than in the US. For ex., check out the prices at <a href="http://www.otakumw.de" target="_blank">Otaku Most Wanted</a>, a German importer, and calculate the Dollar value of some carts, you'd be surprised.
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the_move and BRANDI, thanks for your infos regarding differences between the AES and CD versions of AOF3.

Like I said, I'm still compiling a comprehensive info database about all available Neo CD games, and I'm always happy about new input.

If you ppl out there have more bits of info about differences between AES and CD versions in terms of animation/frame count, sound and lack of features, as well as additional CD features (not avail. in AES), please post them here, or PM me. Thanks! :)
 
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in lb1 in yukis stage the snow are falling too from the roofs, trees!
the loading time is ok with demo cut.
I too love my cd system and i intend to buy the
frontloader/cdz for a complete hardware collection.

I love loading time!
 
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Hmm..as far as i remember,AOF3 HAD some scaling on the cd-but to a lesser extent.Yes,characters are smaller... :(
Isn't Sinclair(the lady with the saber) a selectable character in the cd version? <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />

And i think Pulstar had a few short movies between levels that were not on Cart...

A few games are CD-only...anyone ever tried that strip-mahjong?? ;)

But since the NEO-games are arcade-ones for the quick go,the loading times really kill it...whats the point in it if WAITING takes longer than the game ITSELF? :(
 
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Ive just posted "LOAD TIMES" on the neogeocd website. You can see there what you think about CD / Cart. Of course carts dont take time to load which is amazing, but CD's are very cheap and have some cracking soundtracks. I think that the load times are fine in general - but the load times on modern fighting games are bad eg. KOF99. But overall i think the Neo Geo CD is underated - its quality!!!
 
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Originally posted by neogeocd.com:
<strong>Ive just posted "LOAD TIMES" on the neogeocd website. You can see there what you think about CD / Cart. Of course carts dont take time to load which is amazing, but CD's are very cheap and have some cracking soundtracks. I think that the load times are fine in general - but the load times on modern fighting games are bad eg. KOF99. But overall i think the Neo Geo CD is underated - its quality!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>i do agree, i think it is underrated a very good system i'm sure, just dosent get the recognition it deserves! <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" />
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Originally posted by Herzog Drei:
<strong>Hmm..as far as i remember,AOF3 HAD some scaling on the cd-but to a lesser extent.Yes,characters are smaller... :(
Isn't Sinclair(the lady with the saber) a selectable character in the cd version? <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />

And i think Pulstar had a few short movies between levels that were not on Cart...

A few games are CD-only...anyone ever tried that strip-mahjong?? ;)

But since the NEO-games are arcade-ones for the quick go,the loading times really kill it...whats the point in it if WAITING takes longer than the game ITSELF? :( </strong><hr></blockquote>

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In AoF 3 any character is selectable in either AES and CD Version! :D
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