Field Test: X-Box versus GameCube in Party Setting

aria

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I went to a party last night, and after a good number of drinks some of us decided to start playing the host's new X-Box and GameCube (with some PS2 worked in).

The X-Box, in all its overgrown/blown/baked glory, really didn't have much. Sure we played a bit of 2-player Halo, but for all those folks at the party who didn't really play video games (most've them) it was as appealing as watching a bunch of computer geeks playing Doom on a network (or a game of Magic <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> ). Eventually it just broke down to player 2 (me) trying to gun down player 1. The only funny moments were jokes at the game's expense.

after wasting time with that game we moved on to the GameCube and Super Monkey Ball. Now that's entertainment! Simple controls, well executed, equaling a superior gaming experience that everyone at the party got into (we were all in the 20-26 year range). Nothing beat the drunken' hooting and hollering as we tried to get those damn monkeys to stay on the course or glide onto a target. Nintendo f--kin' rules the party market as far as I'm concerned (Sega earned the assist on SMB). Even people who'd never really played games could have fun while getting trumped by the experienced gamers.

Finally, we started a little NBA Street tourney on PS2. Also a lot of fun (its a rare sports title that gets even non-gamers interested), but it was sort of cut short when I defeated everyone by an average score of 21-13 (Bobak! & Shaq 0\/\/nz j00).

So what's my analysis? Well the first thing that surprised me is how the X-Box, while looking all shiny and new, really didn't compete with the GC and PS2 with a bunch of people. In terms of broad appeal, the GC dominated all three. The games I mentioned really reflect the types of games that are defining each system.

Microsoft and Nintendo went into the E3 spurting off claims that their system was going to broaden the market and get non-gamers to start gaming. After seeing games like DOA3 & Halo on X-Box I don't see how the X-Box is going to appeal outside of the traditional (if not hardcore) gaming market. The GameCube, with that cool little console, fun games like SMB, and $100 cheaper had a serious chance winning out.

I have a feeling the Game Cube my start taking the "Non-gamer" audience along with its normal market share, leaving X-Box to compete with the established PS2 for the hardcore/middle market.

What are the other opinions out there? I sort of wrote this on the fly, but I want to hear other takes on the new systems in different situations.
 

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Until the Panasonic Game Q is released, I don't think the non-gamers will buy into the gamecube. The Panasonic version with the chrome finish and DVD capability looks like a sex machine. I can see non-gamers getting that just becauase it looks so damn cool.
 

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Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<STRONG> The Panasonic version with the chrome finish and DVD capability looks like a sex machine.</STRONG>

Like the one from Star 80?! Cool!!
 

aria

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Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<STRONG>Until the Panasonic Game Q is released, I don't think the non-gamers will buy into the gamecube. The Panasonic version with the chrome finish and DVD capability looks like a sex machine. I can see non-gamers getting that just becauase it looks so damn cool.</STRONG>

I remember seeing that at the E3, it was impressive.

If the price is right we may see the winner right there:

Here's the pic I took at the e3
 

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Good to know B man!

I have similar opinions. I think the X-Box and PS2 will be duking it out while GameCube is doing damn fine and selling like nuts. Eventually, X-Box will be kicked in the balls by PS2 and the PS2 will crush the Micro$oft cash machine while he's down. And like a kick in the balls, the X-Box will never have children. (Meaning Micro$oft will stay away from the console market)

Once again- Fuck-the-X-Box
 

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Awesome analysis Bob-Ack!

All of my writing on messages boards are on the fly. (Lighten up ppl, message boards aren't dissertations).

Well, I have yet to seriously sit down with the Xbox and play it, but if last weekend's game nerd party I attended is any indication, the cube and Monkey ball stole the show. Sega + Monkeys = Instant party (Remember when Samba de Amigo first came out?!). The sheer # of mini-games, party games, and simplicity of SMB makes it a universal favorite. It's no surprise it's a Sega game. They should have put it on DC.

The PS2, with its rinky-dink 2 ports, is a pretty asocial gaming system. Dumb move Sonie, dumb move.

Xbawks? We'll have to wait and see. There's four port there, let's see if anyone will make proper use of them.

<IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

[ December 01, 2001: Message edited by: GregN. ]
 

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A Non-Gamer Related Story:

My ex-roomate was telling about his friend from Ohio. His mother bought a GameCube. She didn't buy it for anyone in the family...at least no one in particular, as her sons aren't big game players. She bought it for herself and to have something in the house to play games on.

I thought that was kinda cool.
 

aria

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Originally posted by Blaine:
<STRONG>A Non-Gamer Related Story:

My ex-roomate was telling about his friend from Ohio. His mother bought a GameCube. She didn't buy it for anyone in the family...at least no one in particular, as her sons aren't big game players. She bought it for herself and to have something in the house to play games on.

I thought that was kinda cool.</STRONG>

Wow, score one for Nintendo!

They should put her in a commercial.
 

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Originally posted by Bobak:
<STRONG>I went to a party last night, and after a good number of drinks some of us decided to start playing the host's new X-Box and GameCube (with some PS2 worked in)...</STRONG>

Damn, out of all the parties I've ever been to, never once did the 'party thrower' have any good game systems! (Although,, I must admit, game systems aren't on my party priorities list...)

In fact, the last time I had friends over and we were boozing and playing games, it turned into a huge argument which culminated in me telling one of my guests he knew shit about games and that just being the manager of a Kay-Bee toys doesn't make you an authority on video games...

I dunno, alcohol and video games make strange bedfellows.
 

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Damn, out of all the parties I've ever been to, never once did the 'party thrower' have any good game systems! (Although,, I must admit, game systems aren't on my party priorities list...)
Dude, you've got the wrong friends then. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Alcohol and gaming don't mix. You fall asleep too early. That's no fun. Everybody knows the drink of choice for gaming parties is Pepsi/Coke/Dr. Pepper - or Rum + Coke. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by GregN.:
<STRONG>Alcohol and gaming don't mix. You fall asleep too early. That's no fun. Everybody knows the drink of choice for gaming parties is Pepsi/Coke/Dr. Pepper - or Rum + Coke. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

*nods* All the LAN Parties I ever threw had alcohol there and usually in the form of a nice mixer or something with a lower alcohol content, like Mike's Hard Lemonade or something (We had One Eyed Jack's which, unlike other 'hard beverages' actually tastes like Lemonade).

And if you drink so much that you pass out...well then pass out. Someone else will be awake when you get up and you just jump onto your rig and start playing.

*sigh*...I miss those days.
 

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Originally posted by GregN.:
<STRONG>
Damn, out of all the parties I've ever been to, never once did the 'party thrower' have any good game systems! (Although,, I must admit, game systems aren't on my party priorities list...)
Dude, you've got the wrong friends then. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Alcohol and gaming don't mix. You fall asleep too early. That's no fun. Everybody knows the drink of choice for gaming parties is Pepsi/Coke/Dr. Pepper - or Rum + Coke. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

No way man, I just attended a badass drinking/gaming party this weekend. I was still able to kick everyone's ass and pull off 10 hit combos in Tekken 2 while totally sloshed lol.
 

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Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<STRONG>Until the Panasonic Game Q is released, I don't think the non-gamers will buy into the gamecube. The Panasonic version with the chrome finish and DVD capability looks like a sex machine. I can see non-gamers getting that just becauase it looks so damn cool.</STRONG>

Yeah, looks cool but it's never going to see the light of day in the US market. Panasonic said that it's a japanese only product. Casual gamers are definitly not going to bother importing a GC that plays region 2 dvds.
 

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I work for Panasonic. Our version of the Cube isn't going to hit American shores, at least not any time soon. Why? One word:

3DO <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">

Too bad too, because the Q is a pretty cool product. I'm content with my Big N version though; I already have a DVD player, so I bought the Cube to play games. And it does that very well.
 

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Originally posted by thirdkind:
<STRONG>I work for Panasonic. Our version of the Cube isn't going to hit American shores, at least not any time soon. Why? One word:

3DO <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">
</STRONG>


That's because it was too expensive!

Thirdkind, I think you should go up to the President of Panasonic and say:

"Hey! -listen here motherf--ker, you going to release that Q-thingy over in the states and you're going to f--king like it! Why? Because its going to make you cheddah and bring all kinds of slutty hoes to your feet (and mine!), that's why. Word. Word, bitch, word..."

(or something to that extent, it might help to smile while speaking)
 

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Ever since I got an XBox, Halo, and 3 extra controllers, no other system has been touched for multiplayer games. None of us have had more fun with a recent game than we have had with all the great multiplayer Halo action. The game is truly incredible for veterans of the FPS genre, who can get used to the controls.

But I'm lucky to have quite a few "hardcore gamer" friends so... <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">
 

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I know it was too expensive. If I had been in the workforce at that time (I was still in high school), I would've told them the exact same thing. I have no idea how they figured a console that cost $700 could be released into a market where the highest a console had ever cost was $200 and still succeed.

Of course, when an American comes up with a suggestion at a Japanese company, the response is usually, "We will study."

That's Japanese for "Fuck off."
 

aria

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Originally posted by thirdkind:
<STRONG>
Of course, when an American comes up with a suggestion at a Japanese company, the response is usually, "We will study."
</STRONG>

and that's why you got to follow up with

"well why don't you study the back of my hand, bitch!"

<IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> It's all about the corporate bitch-slap <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Hey Babok, you're full of shit, play HALO out for the story, I bet you'll like and still couldn't beat, we needed a good 1st player shooter, with a hard and compelling story line, obviously, you and dozens out there haven't actually "played" any god damn games thoroughly for what it's worth, you're just a bunch of pussy ass game hating wagon jumpers. And that's all I've got to say. <IMG SRC="smilies/veryangry.gif" border="0">
 

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Plus you can take your albums and transfer your favorite songs to the HARD DRIVE, and play them on select games, there has NEVER, and are NO OTHER systems out there that can compare with that, PS2 is nice as shit, GameCube is good also, but to compare Super Monkey Ball, to HALO, you're out of your fucking mind, wait till more titles come out for this bad boy, it's gonna blow shit out the water, trust me. <IMG SRC="smilies/veryangry.gif" border="0">
 

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Umm, lemme try and break this gently.

There is no FPS on a console that can match one on the PC! I'm talking about playability. Keyboard and mouse will whoop your controller candy ass so fast and easily it would astound you.

And as for Halo being the best "story" FPS, have you played anything lately?

Deus EX?
No One Lives Forever?
Operation Flashpoint?
RETURN TO CASTLE WOLFENSTIEN????????

You wanna talk about a one player experience? Fuck Halo, until the PC version comes out, I could careless about it. Every one of the above games have a deep and involving single player AND one hell of a multiplayer to boot!
There is no other way to play a FPS, it just doesn't work unless it's on a PC.

Peace

JHendrix
 

thirdkind

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I can't stand wankers who spread crap across three posts that could've easily fit into one.

I also agree with JHendrix on the FPS thing. They just don't work on a console, sorry. Not even a game as good as Halo can save itself from a hand controller.

Keyboard and mouse all the way man.
 

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And as for Halo being the best "story" FPS, have you played anything lately?

Deus EX?
No One Lives Forever?
Operation Flashpoint?
RETURN TO CASTLE WOLFENSTIEN????????

Don't forget about Hitman and Max Pane. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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I like how the Cube has 4 open slot holes for 4 player power with no need to buy a multitap. How f'n cool is that?
(one of the few things I liked about the N64)
 
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