The American Flag

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Dark Solidus Snake

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God I feel dirty posting this:

I look around and see the Old Glory everywhere.
But sadly like most trends, and yes I said trends, the flags on cars, truck, and t-shirts will soon decline. And it is already happening on the side of the road I see flags dumped and t-shirt used as rags.
It makes me sick that people chase trends and to make the Red, White, and Blue a passing trend is a disacration to our great nation. That is a world I do not want to know. I rather die fighting Talibans then live in a world where my generation is throwng away flags.
Final conclusion is that I'm for the bombings of Afganistan and for keeping the American flag up no matter if it is ripped.
Others can go to hell and chase there new trend.
 
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TonK

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Ever notice the flag in Yankee stadium?

Know where they got it?


Anyways, in Youngstown/Boardman Ohio we are sold out of flagpole holders...
 
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Dark Solidus Snake

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I know where they got it. NY was ground zero and will never forget. Much like Vietnam Vets will never forget there political war, but others show no respect for those men. Places like San Fran, Dallas, Aspen, and St. Louis will forget this tragedy and will pay no attention to those kids with no parents, those parents with no children. So sad....
 
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I look around my town and see everyone with em too, they also got the stupid nypd and nyfd t-shirts.

Yesterday I pointed out that it looks like the US is turning into a facist nation an got yelled at, WTF??

[ November 03, 2001: Message edited by: DIY ]
 
rarehero

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i think its sad that a catastrophe
has to happen for Americans to be proud
of their country.
was thinking about that a little whiles
back...
 
aria

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Within a week of the tragedy I started hearing murmurs of discontent with all the jingoist/patriotic fervor.

I started to notice the instant all those flag-scalpers hit the streets on 9-12.

I personally think the flags are okay, but I admit I'm becoming desensitized.
 
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The one intensely disturbing thing I have noticed since Sep. 11 is how incredibly empty our gestures of 'patriotism' are.

We wear the flag on our cars (an empty gesture designed to make us feel better...) we have our kids wave the flag around like there's no tommorrow... We wear stupid flag pins like Hollywood celebrities wear AIDS awareness pins...

THAT SHIT IS EMPTY- it is just a lame attempt at an easy answer to all this mess we've dug ourselves into.

The whole of the 90's was us ignoring the outside world and turning in upon ourselves worse than the Japanese did in the 1700s.

We are a weak, over-indulgent people now.

We love empty gestures, we love anything that's easy and mass marketed. We LOVE anything and everything that takes NO EFFORT WHATSOEVER.

We are already forgeting the Jerry Bruckheimer fucking madness of the WTC coming down.

Our brains have obviously lost the ability to tell between fantasy and reality.

We're too busy watching TV and worrying about our stock portfolios.

We have become softer than the ice cream they serve at McDonald's.

The Al Qaida may win. Fuck, they may have ALREADY won.

Why?

Because we don't have the power to crush them? No, because we are too weak-willed to do so.

I live in fear not of terrorists bombing or sickening the US, but of people like Colin Powell- people who are so haunted by the specter of Viet Nam that they can't act with decisive, unrelenting force.

Fuck, we can win NOW... but we probably won't.

Our soldiers HAVE TO fight a dirty, ugly, brutal war here.... THEY'RE SOLDIERS! That's what they do!

Have we forgotten that?

War is hell. Why did that saying come into being? Because it IS hell.

Hell should be descending on the Taliban right now... but we settle for the antiseptic ease of bomb after bomb after bomb...

They have the will to fight.

We may not.

If I believed in God, I'd pray we did.
 
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Originally posted by neobuyer:
<STRONG>The one intensely disturbing thing I have noticed since Sep. 11 is how incredibly empty our gestures of 'patriotism' are.

We wear the flag on our cars (an empty gesture designed to make us feel better...) we have our kids wave the flag around like there's no tommorrow... We wear stupid flag pins like Hollywood celebrities wear AIDS awareness pins...

THAT SHIT IS EMPTY- it is just a lame attempt at an easy answer to all this mess we've dug ourselves into.

The whole of the 90's was us ignoring the outside world and turning in upon ourselves worse than the Japanese did in the 1700s.

We are a weak, over-indulgent people now.

We love empty gestures, we love anything that's easy and mass marketed. We LOVE anything and everything that takes NO EFFORT WHATSOEVER.

We are already forgeting the Jerry Bruckheimer fucking madness of the WTC coming down.

Our brains have obviously lost the ability to tell between fantasy and reality.

We're too busy watching TV and worrying about our stock portfolios.

We have become softer than the ice cream they serve at McDonald's.

The Al Qaida may win. Fuck, they may have ALREADY won.

Why?

Because we don't have the power to crush them? No, because we are too weak-willed to do so.

I live in fear not of terrorists bombing or sickening the US, but of people like Colin Powell- people who are so haunted by the specter of Viet Nam that they can't act with decisive, unrelenting force.

Fuck, we can win NOW... but we probably won't.

Our soldiers HAVE TO fight a dirty, ugly, brutal war here.... THEY'RE SOLDIERS! That's what they do!

Have we forgotten that?

War is hell. Why did that saying come into being? Because it IS hell.

Hell should be descending on the Taliban right now... but we settle for the antiseptic ease of bomb after bomb after bomb...

They have the will to fight.

We may not.

If I believed in God, I'd pray we did.</STRONG>
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Neobuyer,

What is your point?
 
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Dark Solidus Snake

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He means that we say all this bullshit about killing ragheads and turning Afganistan into an parking lot bigger than Walmart. But no one joins the Armed Services and instead look for reasons to back out of it.

Against the bombing of Afganistan

Against Bush

They won't come out and say that these rich Oxford clothed pussys are too concerned with getting laid and waiting for inheritance to fight a war. These will be our new politians and presidents. Much like that hippy Clinton.
 
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The patriotism is good, the rampant commercialism is not.

I fully expect to see a car add soon stating Osama hates our low financing. Fufill your patriotic duty and buy a... etc. <IMG SRC="smilies/shame.gif" border="0">
 
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Originally posted by mvsholic:
<STRONG>I fully expect to see a car add soon stating Osama hates our low financing. Fufill your patriotic duty and buy a... etc. <IMG SRC="smilies/shame.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
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Hey, that's a good one! I might steal that for my next campaign:

"Bin Laden hates the Los Angeles Jewish Symphony, so come on Dec. 2 and fight evil with special guest artists Kol Simcha!"
 
rarehero

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~~~
Our brains have obviously lost the ability to tell between fantasy and reality.
~~~

i think this is kinda obvious.
if you talk to kids about what happened
when the wtc event happened they will tell
you it looked like a poorly made movie.
its a topic worth dissecting i think.
our society is greatly desensitized to
alot of things.
this incident not withstanding.
this, i think is a by product of
the vastness of our country.
alot of people have this sense of apathy
mainly because they are disconnected by
this expanse of land between here and there.
its the feeling of "this doesnt really affect me since its so far away"
the feeling that normal life goes on.
as i think it should.
but this sense of patriotism that suddenly
emerged i think is more a product of the anger
that needed to be filtered somehow.
and this was the somehow.
waving flags all day long.
i dont have a problem with that..
personally i m fuking proud of this country.
i ll be the first to admit that i m an American
and dam proud of it.
our country is built of the ideal of freedom
and this freedom was not easily obtained.
once again...
i think its a shame that something like
this has to happen to realize that most americans
take living in the US for granted.
its nice that people are waving flags. but
i dont think this will last too long.
before you know it, people will have forgotten.
stash away their American flags
~
im not knocking people for having the flags.
but have them for the right reasons.
not because your keeping up with the Jones
or because the neighbors havem on their car too...
fashionable.

[ November 04, 2001: Message edited by: rarehero ]
 
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Originally posted by Dark Solidus Snake:
<STRONG>God I feel dirty posting this:

I look around and see the Old Glory everywhere.
But sadly like most trends, and yes I said trends, the flags on cars, truck, and t-shirts will soon decline. And it is already happening on the side of the road I see flags dumped and t-shirt used as rags.
It makes me sick that people chase trends and to make the Red, White, and Blue a passing trend is a disacration to our great nation. That is a world I do not want to know. I rather die fighting Talibans then live in a world where my generation is throwng away flags.
Final conclusion is that I'm for the bombings of Afganistan and for keeping the American flag up no matter if it is ripped.
Others can go to hell and chase there new trend.</STRONG>
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Personally im guessing it's just to strengthen USA but uh oh well'.
 
neobuyer

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My point is that our whole 'flag thing' is an empty gesture.

Empty

It makes us feel better in the short term.

But it, like most of the shit in our media, is an easy, hollow move.

The truth is that what America DOES now is 100 times more important than how well we 'Stand United' or some other non-commital thing like that. It take no effort to 'Stand United' NOTHING!!! Standing united can't cost you a loved one.

I disagree completely with Bill Maher's now notorious statement that we are 'cowards' because we lob bombs at foreign enemies from tens, if not hundreds of miles away.

We are not cowards, we are soft. We are over-sensitive. We are reluctant. Reluctant warriors....

We are a bunch of overly-introspective me-monkeys.

We are, without realising it, a haunted people.

Haunted by Viet Nam.

And before we realise it, we may humiliate ourselves in Afghanistan. We may go in half-assed and have a nice little replay of our fuck up in Somalia....

Our soldiers have to take casualties to win. Why can't Americans come to grips with that?

Our soldiers have.

But have we, the public?

Our enemies are in a Nirvana-like state of bliss in the wake of Sept. 11. I read that Jiang Zemin watches the footage of the 2nd jet crashing into the WTC on a continuous loop.... They call us "Paper Tigers" now.

The funny, and fucked up, thing is that the Chinese may be right.. We may BE paper tigers.

There is a time for revenge people.

That time is NOW.

The rest of the world KNOWS this, and expects this. But the longer we wait, the weaker we seem.

In 6 months, the world community won't be so understanding...
 
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Sonic1787DC

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The flag is supposed to be destroyed if it is mutilated in anyway. It however is supposed to be replaced... theres a huge code of conduct believe it or not to hanging the American flag, and it has to do with positions and stuff... its crazy really.
 
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IMHO I think this whole flag thing is to boost morale after 9-11. And I will say this, you guys make some interesting points and a lot of them are agreeable. We may be united on the outside, but in the inside, we're scared...
 
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