Ebay Negative feedback......

Originally posted by pyrokilla:
<strong>Why doesnt ebay make it so the seller must post feedback first? seems to me to be a simple and logical plan? Why would the buyer ever have to post feedback first?</strong><hr></blockquote>

If eBay forces a system where the seller posts feedback first and then the buyer, the seller could just never post feedback to begin with. Some folks just don't post feedback. The best way I found is using this line, and I am always the buyer.

"I'll post you positive feedback once item comes in working condition, I hope the same from you."

That simple line has worked for me all the time since I used it about 8 months ago. Trust me, it's effective.

Anyway, about your 2nd point. The seller CAN post feedback first, I recently had a crazy seller who accidentally posted me pos. feedback before I ever sent my payment. So either parties can post feedback first, not just the buyer.

Hope this helps.

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Originally posted by buster_broon:
<strong>Personally i agree

This is 1 thing with ebay i do not like

If you sell something to somebody and he pays immediately, he has held up his end of the contract - so he deserves feedback right away

When i receive the item i post feedback right away or if i sell something on ebay i post feedback as soon as i have been paid for it

Sellers who wait until feedback is posted for them are petty

i have posted feedback in every single thing i have bought on ebay and so far only 12 members havent posted anything about me and in those 12 auctions i was the buyer

Sorry but if you sell something you post feedback first <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I'll have to disagree....

Let's say that you sell something on eBay, like a Neo-Geo cart for instance, and in the auction you state the it is sold "as-is" or "untested". Well, some guy comes along and wins the bid on the cart, sends his money off, waits about a week, then when the cart arrives at his house, he tests it out and..."What! It doesn't work!" And he then proceeds to give the seller a big-ass negative feedback just because he couldn't take 2 seconds to read the auction. If the seller had left positive feedback right after receiving the money, he would be screwed because some people are just jerks and will give a negative because they didn't know it was sold as-is, however in some cases they probably did read the auction, but just expected it would work anyway.

That's my opinion anyway, I see this happening too often....

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Originally posted by buster_broon:
<strong>Personally i agree

This is 1 thing with ebay i do not like

If you sell something to somebody and he pays immediately, he has held up his end of the contract - so he deserves feedback right away

When i receive the item i post feedback right away or if i sell something on ebay i post feedback as soon as i have been paid for it

Sellers who wait until feedback is posted for them are petty

i have posted feedback in every single thing i have bought on ebay and so far only 12 members havent posted anything about me and in those 12 auctions i was the buyer

Sorry but if you sell something you post feedback first <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, There is no reason ebay shouldnt code thier site to force a feedback from the seller. As Buster said as soon as payment has gone threw the buyer is DONEAnd feedback for the completed transaction should take place. How many times have sellers been scammed on ebay?

Oh and with "broken games" whatever, nothing is perfect but what me and buster have said is a good start.

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Originally posted by buster_broon:
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If you sell something to somebody and he pays immediately, he has held up his end of the contract - so he deserves feedback right away
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The correct time to leave a feedback is when the transaction is complete:

Seller receives payemnt
Buyer Receives Item

After both events have occured, only then do I feel it is appropriate to leave feedback. Perhaps to some, payment from the buyer is enough to warrent a positive feedback, but buyer attitude and politeness play a big role too--especially when there is a problem with the post office.

Carlson

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Originally posted by 16-bit:
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The correct time to leave a feedback is when the transaction is complete:

Seller receives payemnt
Buyer Receives Item

After both events have occured, only then do I feel it is appropriate to leave feedback. Perhaps to some, payment from the buyer is enough to warrent a positive feedback, but buyer attitude and politeness play a big role too--especially when there is a problem with the post office.

Carlson</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree.

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Originally posted by 16-bit:
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The correct time to leave a feedback is when the transaction is complete:

Seller receives payemnt
Buyer Receives Item

After both events have occured, only then do I feel it is appropriate to leave feedback. Perhaps to some, payment from the buyer is enough to warrent a positive feedback, but buyer attitude and politeness play a big role too--especially when there is a problem with the post office.

Carlson</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have bought a lot of stuff from you Carlson and i believe you posted feedback immediately

But here is the dilemma - you say he is entitled to positive feedback for sending the money quickly

But.......

If he negs you will you still post a positive????

Human nature = of course you wouldnt, you would be as pissed as hell to receive a neg - retribution would ensue

Here is another - i email you and tell you i am happy with my purchase and i have received it in great shape, now i am waiting for you to post feedback and you are waiting for me to post some for you

Who should post some first, even then you could post something and i could have a mean streak and just neg you - whoever posts first is always loosing out - so personally it should be the seller imo
Btw i know you are a great seller

And you know i am a great buyer

Recently i noticed somebody was selling a special edition dvd so i bid and won it - his feedback was flawless

But when i received the dvd it was the normal version (entrapment)

I quickly e-mailed him and complained but he admitted it was his fault and he possible deserved a negative

in the end i accepted i had a entrapment dvd and i didnt want to ruin his feedback

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Originally posted by buster_broon:
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Here is another - i email you and tell you i am happy with my purchase and i have received it in great shape, now i am waiting for you to post feedback and you are waiting for me to post some for you

Who should post some first, even then you could post something and i could have a mean streak and just neg you - whoever posts first is always loosing out - so personally it should be the seller imo

[ September 15, 2002: Message edited by: buster_broon ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

If the buyer receives the item, and reports back that the they are satisfied with the purchase, then I have no problem leaving feedback first. The main issue is buyer politeness and willingness to cooperate with the post office if I provide the correct tracking and insurance numbers. Receiving a negtive feedback is inevitable given the number of weirdos on eBay. Moreover, if someone will not purchase and item due to a few occasional negative or neutral feedbacks, they are probably too brittle to deal with in the first place.

The value of feedback carries different weight. Buyer feedback above extending past 10 offers little extra value to ones rating. Seller feedback carries more weight since it playes a role in deciding if a particular transaction is carried out: a buyer makes a purchase based partly on the sellers feedback. Under eBay's current system, the seller has no control over who bids in buy it now or snipe situations--even if the buyer has no feedback.

Carlson

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Hmm I've been thinking about "negative feedback retaliation" you know when someone screws you, but you dont wanna give negative feedback because they will do the same <hr></blockquote>

I've been fooled like this by a dork who did not want to sell, although I've won an auction. I left neg. feedback after three weeks and that bastard did the same thing another three weeks later.

When asking Ebay, they came up with some shit like 'the feedback just reflects a personal oppinion on the transaction' - Well, what's the shit good for then, I ask you?! As long as you're not obscene you can write in EVERYTHING in there. I had to write a letter to them later.

I've also sent them an email saying that the feedback should not be visible until both sides have posted it within a certain period of time. This way we would not have that retaliation-crap. If one side does not post feedback at all it could be noticed somehow.

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Originally posted by rayden:
<strong>I've also sent them an email saying that the feedback should not be visible until both sides have posted it within a certain period of time. This way we would not have that retaliation-crap. If one side does not post feedback at all it could be noticed somehow.
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I think that is a great idea

Excellent

I must stress this, that feedback isnt a right, so people may not want to post anything with a bad deal because of retaliation.

Feck me every auction i have won - even if i didnt want it in the end i still paid for it then once it arrived i put it up for sale or stuck it in the back of my cupboard

Not just talking negs here maybe insulting e-mails etc

I have only ever posted 2 negs

1 was a seller from canada with loads of account and once i involved squaretrade i got my item and the other was a guy who bid on a ps2 game i was selling and never got in touch

I do agree that etiquette is a good thing between both parties - so wrt Carlson you are right

And i feel that a certain rapport must be made between the buyer/seller as this will ake the deal run smoother and it will alliviate any fears that your items will go 'missing' in the mail

But in the end for me if i sell stuff - i always post feedback once i have the funds or if i buy it i always post on receiving the item

I guess its up to every individual how they wish to play the game - but it does piss me off especially since i want my 200th piece of feedback

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even if i didnt want it in the end i still paid for it then <hr></blockquote>

...sounds strange, but that's the same I do. For instance, if I notice later that I have bought an item too expensive I still pay for it, because I don't want my feedback profile to be screwed up.

I was really disappointed when ebay came up with that 'there's nothing we can do' response.

I thought, I was taking the feedback profile more seriously than they did.

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Originally posted by rayden:
<strong>...sounds strange, but that's the same I do. For instance, if I notice later that I have bought an item too expensive I still pay for it, because I don't want my feedback profile to be screwed up.
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For me i want people to take me seriously on ebay, i dont want alot of negatves or alot of bid retractions

Trust nowadays is quite a rare commodity

But so far on ebay i have had no problems (touch wood)

Only private sales in this forum has given me a headache <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[Crying]" />

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