Should we bomb Bagdad

ttooddddyy · Sep 14, 2002

When I say we, I mean the US and arse licking UK and anyone else who wishes to come along for the ride.

Im a UK citizen and say no way.

What do you think ???

George Wanker Bush needs a war or what ?

K9999 · Sep 14, 2002

Being a Pacifist, I'd say no. Bombs and guns are not my thing, but then again it doesn't matter since I'm not in charge.

JaDaKiSs · Sep 14, 2002

If we don't do something about it now...

It's gonna kick us in the ass later...

I don't care, I should be dead by then.

K_K · Sep 14, 2002

george bush is just a puppet for his dad, and a whore for big government. i don't give a fuck what he does, as long as i can successfully dodge the draft.

rayden · Sep 14, 2002

... that dick sucking Tony Blair pisses me off somehow. I don't like our pacifist Joschka Fischer either.

I guess there will be no peaceful option in the end. Just imagine what happens once the world will be running out of oil...

... and the (motherfucking) OPEC will rise prices.

(wouldn't pay a buck for a 1/4 gallon? Well, we do)

pyrokilla · Sep 14, 2002

Hell yes, bomb Iraq to hell, people forget so quickly the things Sadam has done, someone in the world must be the bully or "police" and I think the US government is the lesser evil here. Just my 2 cents.

Phoenix Down · Sep 14, 2002

Originally posted by ttooddddyy:
When I say we, I mean the US and arse licking UK and anyone else who wishes to come along for the ride.

Im a UK citizen and say no way.

What do you think ???

George Wanker Bush needs a war or what ?<hr></blockquote>

Frankly Dubya's dad should have done this 10 years ago. As far as I'm concerned let's turn the whole Middle East into a parking lot, I'm sure the USA has a few leftover nukes they need to get rid of anyway. I'm sorry if you think I'm an asshole for this, but I'm sick of all this shit.

ShikiMikoto · Sep 14, 2002

ugh...well...oh fuck it, go ahead, bomb it, see if I care...fools... <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

naitram · Sep 14, 2002

Originally posted by ttooddddyy:
Im a UK citizen and say no way.

What do you think ???

George Wanker Bush needs a war or what ?<hr></blockquote>

Man, Saddam is making biological weapons on fucking semi-trucks. They are driving around with some nasty-ass germ warfare that is going to make you want to eat your own genitalia after he spreads it.

Why do people think we are making this shit up? We get barely any of our oil from there (less than 10%). This world is so cynical, you refuse to accept the fact that there are some sick motherfuckers, and the particular one here named Saddam Hussein has a limitless supply of money.

But who cares...you are a lot closer to him than we are! <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

The Auction Sniper · Sep 14, 2002

I think its a very stupid idea, period.

What did Saddam ever do to the US? I'm sure he has nothing personal against Bush either, so why do they bother? It would just be a waste of taxpayer's money if you ask me. The could put that money to some REAL use, like giving everyone pet monkeys.

candycab · Sep 14, 2002

Well considering we didnt finish the job the first time and Sadam does not want to comply with the rest of the worlds rules after he said he would, Hell Yes !

We cant sit idley bye and just pretend everything is fine with our heads in the sand.

SPINMASTER X · Sep 14, 2002

Hell Fuckin no we shouldn't.

SPINMASTER X · Sep 14, 2002

Originally posted by The Auction Sniper:
I think its a very stupid idea, period.

What did Saddam ever do to the US? I'm sure he has nothing personal against Bush either, so why do they bother? It would just be a waste of taxpayer's money if you ask me. The could put that money to some REAL use, like giving everyone pet monkeys.<hr></blockquote>

The pet monkeys suggestion is the best thing yet. Better than anything bush could come up with.

p.s. in all seriousness, i do like monkeys.

Medaka · Sep 15, 2002

Only if it's a nuclear bomb.

Mike Shagohod · Sep 15, 2002

To study the history of man is to know war...
Man's business is a bloody one...

The worst thing that ever happened was that the Cold War came to an end, before we had another super power to deal with and who for the most part never wanted to use their ICBMs or BCW stuff anymore than we did... save for the Missile crisis. Point being is that for almost 50 freggin' years we had B-52s and ICBMs pointed at an enemy and they did at USA as well... neither side used the shit! Today they're are 3rd world wackos and oil tycoons who don't mind using weapons of mass destruction, heck, Saddam nerve gassed Kurds and others of his own ilk that didn't agree with him! What's to stop him from using the shit against the free world??? (if you can really call it that) Whether or not Iraq had anything to do with 9-11 is not the point, but a lot of ppl seem to think it is. THE POINT is, most people that were not directly involved with the 9-11 disaster have fallen back into apathy and want to rationalize everything. I didn't vote for Bush, I voted so that there might be a third party in the next election to be honest... but now is not the time to be rational in the traditional sense of the word. NOW IS THE TIME TO STRIKE!

Thomas Jefferson once made the comment war should happen in 35 year cycles so that no one would forget what it meant to be free and their inalienable rights... well we're long overdue for another big one, as everyone is just stagnated to 9 to 5 bullshit jobs, booze, sex, and crying over spilt milk that wasn't even in the damn fridge! Should we bomb Iraq? NOPE! Declare total war on the nation and anyone who supports him, tell those to lay low who can, THEN begin carpet bombing around the clock while, send in some SF Teams to key loactions and frag the fucker for good...

Of course we (the free world) could simply just re-convert our automobiles and what not to say Gasahol or other stuff, re-open oil refineries here, and stop buying oil from middle east all together and watch them squirm as the need us more than we need them despite what the media might want you to believe. While that is going on increase our ops to agents in the feild and still whack Saddam.

But what do I or anyone in here know? Most of us won't be going anywhere anyway. I know I can't due to several reasons, one of them being medication I'm on, which sucks because I'd like a blood name to be proud of as a warrior set amongst the complacent sheep of the Y2K generations... but Biopolar disorder aside I'd fight but who knows... maybe we won't go to war like so many bleeding hearts here are advocating and six to ten years down the road, the fuckin' war will come here right? I just don't understand why so many ppl can't see the need to just end this situation once and for all. What do you need to see a shopping mall in your area blow up? Need to see a loved one torn to bits by a car bomb, or watch you little sister held down and butt fucked by some sterotypical terrorist while you're forced to watch it? When will people realize that in the end WAR will not go away... it is our history, and our history is our destiny.

I'm not saying I'm right (because I'm not) but dammit let's just wake up

Loopz · Sep 15, 2002

No. Never. We have no business bombing anyone.

I recommend to anyone who is interested in SERIOUSLY debating these issues to read a book called "Another World Is Possible." This book is a collection of essays gleaned from WTC survivors, rescue workers, politicians, and other think tank folks. It chronicles the insane carnage we have been responsible for around the globe since the end of World War II all in the name of propping up crooked regimes and trying to enforce our ideology. Ask yourselves this folks...when people like President Bush and his cabinet say we are targets of terrorism because we support freedom and democracy, think about these things....

Why don't they attempt acts like those that occurred against France? Or Canada? Those countries are democracies, and don't have nearly as sizable of a military capable of swift, fierce retribution. Why not Turkey? Turkey is the lone Islamic democracy in the world, and they're a hell of a lot closer to terrorist states like Iran and Iraq than we are. All three of those countries are freedom-loving democracies, and much softer targets than our nation. But they haven't seen thousands killed in one day like September 11th. Know why?

Our priorities are fucked.

We've killed nearly 6 MILLION people around the world in various conflicts since the end of World War II, all under the guise of trying to spread democracy, when all we're really doing is trying to shove our own brand of corporate imperialism down the world's throat.

Bombing Baghdad will do nothing but create another generation of orphans who think strapping on some dynamite or comandeering a plane to kill Americans sounds like a pretty good idea. Fucking think about it people.

Unless we change our tunes, and goddamnit, I don't think it's gonna happen in our generation, September 11th is just the TIP OF THE ICEBERG.
Until we genuinely work on raising the world's standard of living and making people a priority over profits, we are doomed.

Flame on.

TheBigBB · Sep 15, 2002

The US has done some fucked up things, namely Vietnam, but would bombing Iraq be one of them? Well, I don't think any of us can exactly know for sure. What if they really are building up tons of nuclear arms and shit like that?! Iraq has dicked around the UN inspectors for years. Iraq is a fucked up piece of shit country. I could see people being nervous about starting an unnecessary war, but it's not fair to have such a one sided stance against the US... Especially considering how the worst war we were involved in, Vietnam, is a war that I think our last few presidents (Clinton and Bush at least) probably protested against themselves. I don't think this is like that at all.

rarehero · Sep 15, 2002

i agree to your comparison to an extent loopz.
but i dont believe in your arguement that we should
lie dormant.
the US is thought as the world policeman.
yes. and big brother. yes.
but i believe we have a responsiblity to be involved
if there are huge casualties that are being cut off.
i cannot think of many engagements that the US
has been invovled with that didnt involve people
being oppressed or killed off by their own or conflicting regimes.
the US is the peace keeper. and its the more proactive one
out of all the world nations. and it is due to our
military fire power and armed forces.
but to say that if we do deploy military actions to the iraq.
a finacial supporter of terrorists and anti US parties
and that they will be retaliating on the US and
it all just leads in some vicious cirle is
true.
but they would be attacking the US still even if we
didnt act.
the reason why they attacked the US is because its a prime target.
its getting the attention and the sympathy that they want as terrorist.
hence the terrorist actions.
hell. even if they bombed france or germany they
would be involving the US. because theyre our allies
and our neighbors even if they are across the
other side of the world.
we are only in a position to act and you re right
it was something that devoloped around the world wars.
with the UN and the US' military might.
but in this time and age what else can we do when
they are trying to develop nuclear and biological
weapons? for a nation of our size it only makes sense
to react. hell. this man is crazy.
he tried to take over kuwait. and hes willing to
fuk with whoever to get what he wants.
saddam may have been painted in a humorous light
and forgotten over the years by some
its funny how people do forget.
not saying that you forgot or anyone else.
but the people of the US are the most forgiving,
and forgetful the world over.
and tend to not care if they re not reminded of it
at a high rate.
personally i dont know what bombing the wasteland
would do but spur them on more.
i agree with my bro and we should try to send in
some assassins and kill his ass. break up his party
yea. and i m sure if the US would do that then
they would try to substitute a leader in there that
would hold more pacifist ideals and democratic
notions for the government. yea. it is shoving our
political beliefs in their face.
but quite honestly how much worse can you get than
the regime
that they have now.
i dont see bombing the capital good except for killing
people not involved and give them further fodder
for excuses to the sheep of people that they brainwash
that their holy war is right against the US.
bah.
thats it for me.
g'nite.

[ September 15, 2002: Message edited by: rarehero ]

NickD · Sep 15, 2002

Loopz: Although I will acknowledge the acts that the CIA and the US have perpetrated are wrong, they were necessary to protect a certain balance in this world. Like Rarehero said, the US are view by alot of us as peace keepers, they have the firepower to retaliate. Not Canada, not Europe as a whole.

Unfortunately, the human race is based on power. You can't change that, I can't change that. You see it everywhere and every day. People have power over you. Now concerning the war on Iraq, IF Iraq is preparing nukes with germs and stuff, hell yes we should get there and bomb the country. You really think Saddam is a nice guy in real life? He's a dictator, like Kadhafi was, like Castro is, like a whole lot of other countries heads. In Cuba, if you speak against Castro and you're caught, guess what? You're going to jail. I've never seen someone going to jail because he said that he didn't like what the President in the US did (unless he's a threat to the nation). I talked to Cuban refugees and let me tell you, they love the US and wouldn't want to go back to Cuba for anything.

The United States aren't perfect but it's obvious that we should get rid of people who have the intention of blowing up the world. The point of this war (if it's happening) is saving our asses. It's either Iraq or UN. The UN have tried to talk to Saddam countless times with no success meanwhile, Clinton was having his dick sucked by some bitch secretary instead of watching what was going on. Refusing to let UN inspectors check your country is against the UN law. If Iraq doesn't have weapons of mass destructions, why don't they allowed the UN to check?

ttooddddyy · Sep 15, 2002

Originally posted by candycab:
Well considering we didnt finish the job the first time and Sadam does not want to comply with the rest of the worlds rules after he said he would, Hell Yes !

We cant sit idley bye and just pretend everything is fine with our heads in the sand.<hr></blockquote>

With all respect Candy the "rest of the world" and US foreign policy often differ, Saddam needs to be exterminated, agreed on that. Bush is sore after 911 but taking it out on raghead dictators isnt going solve anything. It will probably pour fuel on the fire.
Bush doesnt understand this,(I doubt that he is able to tie his own shoe laces) I hope his advisors do.
btw it wouldnt be difficult to have Saddam assasinated,there are outsiders close enough to him, but it would not serve US interests at the moment.

[ September 15, 2002: Message edited by: ttooddddyy ]

i shot jr · Sep 15, 2002

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.... And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded with patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader, and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."

- William Shakespeare

ttooddddyy · Sep 15, 2002

Originally posted by i shot jr:
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.... And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded with patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader, and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."

- William Shakespeare<hr></blockquote>

Nicely put Bill, and that just about sums it up.

Trouble is Blair has his toungue so far up "W"s anus (what a horrible thought) its probably to late to turn back.

aria · Sep 15, 2002

Here's the funniest and probably the most honestly true summary of the situation I've read:

ttooddddyy · Sep 15, 2002

Bobak, your on the mark.

Trouble is most US citizens will actually believe that, what pisses me off is why the Brits feel obliged to get involved. Being "traditional allies" is OK, but this goes beyond that, its perverse and illogical.

K_K · Sep 15, 2002

Originally posted by candycab:
Well considering we didnt finish the job the first time and Sadam does not want to comply with the rest of the worlds rules after he said he would, Hell Yes !

We cant sit idley bye and just pretend everything is fine with our heads in the sand.<hr></blockquote>

well he might not comply with the rules, but neither do we. ever hear of something called the geneva convention? ever since george "wanker" bush stole the office. our environment has gone down the tubes, because we refuse to comply with the world's emmision standards. so while japan has the lowest smog levels in years. we are about to start mining for oil off the coast of florida and alaska. and kill off thousands of fish, and turn beautiful beaches in to brown watrered hill billy holes; like galveston.

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