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LoneSage
11-16-2018, 01:45 AM
...what is their endgame?

Poppy
11-16-2018, 07:53 AM
Undoing the post ww2 world order

Conditioning pur populace to autocracy

Enabling white nationalism

Destroying free press

Turning usa into authoritarian kleptocracy like china and russia

Etc

Dochartaigh
11-16-2018, 08:18 AM
Undoing the post ww2 world order

Conditioning pur populace to autocracy

Enabling white nationalism

Destroying free press

Turning usa into authoritarian kleptocracy like china and russia

Etc

Wait...I thought this topic was about Russia, and not about what Trump is trying to do?

M
11-16-2018, 12:51 PM
Russia is just trying to bring the glory of bear wrestling to American life, but we need some toughening up before we can handle that, so, naturally, a little social unrest and discord is just the ticket to get us into the right frame of mind to take on those clawed behemoths in the ring.

52375

We can't all be Zangief, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

Poppy
11-16-2018, 12:59 PM
Wait...I thought this topic was about Russia, and not about what Trump is trying to do?

...

Connect the dots man.

GohanX
11-16-2018, 01:08 PM
It's simple, really. If the US is too busy fighting amongst itself and withdraws from the larger world stage Russia becomes perhaps the single country with the most influence in the world. China would be up there too, but politically they seem to keep to themselves likely for economic reasons. The European Union, without the support of the US and also having its own internal problems wouldn't be that much of a factor.

Tripredacus
11-16-2018, 01:28 PM
It is known (by at least their own words) that the KGB has been waging an information war in the US since at least the 1960s. It is doubtful that this process has ceased, however I do not think that the points that Poppy brings up are correct. Those actions would not be something a foreign country would want to occur in an adversary. The reason being is that those things bring consolidation of power and greater military strength. Something that makes no sense for Russia to want. Complacency amongst the people would be a primary goal for any operation they would have.

In any case, to place blame on a group or country for your problems is to say that you have no control over your own actions. That you have no thoughts of your own and you only do what you are told, by either public figures, advertisements or whatever else. This way of thinking does no one any good. I have faith that a person has more control over their own actions than the popular narrative that others are to blame for people doing certain things. There is definitely a big problem with people not taking responsibility for their actions or in-actions, and many people take the easy way out by blaming someone else for that. The whole idea that Russia is responsible for this or that is to admit that the American people have no will of their own and are sheep.

ChopstickSamurai
11-16-2018, 01:28 PM
Itís like trolling someone on Neo-Geo.com but in real life.

Poppy
11-16-2018, 03:14 PM
Tripred. I know i rip on you and all, but youre a smart fellow. how you dont see the erosion of democracy and the normalization of nonfree press/kleptocracy etc would be advantageous to Russia is beyond me.

Its not for us as an adversary. Its for us to be an ALLY.

Sylvie
11-16-2018, 03:28 PM
a bunch of relative hillbillies on a generation X gaming forum trying to predict Russia's plans

Evil Wasabi
11-16-2018, 08:58 PM
It is known (by at least their own words) that the KGB has been waging an information war in the US since at least the 1960s. It is doubtful that this process has ceased, however I do not think that the points that Poppy brings up are correct. Those actions would not be something a foreign country would want to occur in an adversary. The reason being is that those things bring consolidation of power and greater military strength. Something that makes no sense for Russia to want. Complacency amongst the people would be a primary goal for any operation they would have.

In any case, to place blame on a group or country for your problems is to say that you have no control over your own actions. That you have no thoughts of your own and you only do what you are told, by either public figures, advertisements or whatever else. This way of thinking does no one any good. I have faith that a person has more control over their own actions than the popular narrative that others are to blame for people doing certain things. There is definitely a big problem with people not taking responsibility for their actions or in-actions, and many people take the easy way out by blaming someone else for that. The whole idea that Russia is responsible for this or that is to admit that the American people have no will of their own and are sheep.

Please stop with the absolutes.

You were correct to say that the kgb has been at war with the US since the 1960s. The US has been actively aware of this as well.

But if a group in Russia wants to deliberately misinform and direct the focus of Americans, they can. We have people who think vaccines are dangerous, that fluoride causes IQ problems, that the moon landing was faked. If you think those people share the blame, then okay. If you think they are solely to blame, then I disagree.

LoneSage
11-16-2018, 10:02 PM
We have people who think vaccines are dangerous, that fluoride causes IQ problems, that the moon landing was faked.

Honestly one of the most embarrassing things of Americans. Don't see these retarded conspiracy theories elsewhere unless they're farmers in a village.

F4U57
11-16-2018, 11:18 PM
Honestly one of the most embarrassing things of Americans. Don't see these retarded conspiracy theories elsewhere unless they're farmers in a village.

I don't know if these sorts of conspiracy theories stem from the US alone, but they're certainly felt in plenty of first world countries throughout the world.

Off topic, but one of the most bizarre "farmers in a village" syndromes I've come across is Puppy Pregnancy Syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppy_pregnancy_syndrome), this shit is out there!

oliverclaude
11-17-2018, 06:51 AM
It's a bit like post WWI Germany, where we had to choose between bankruptcy or war. Russia took it one step up, for them it's bankruptcy or the creation of chaos, and war is just a part of this creation. Other parts are bread and circuses, read: vodka & large sport events, further: intel & mob, nationalism & religion and, of course, the caste system of oligarchs along with their Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda, which works like a perpetuum mobile. It seems, the design, their game so to speak, isn't anymore power for power's sake, but chaos as a lifestyle, instability as a foundation, becoming a guy who kills for sports. Strange people, I'll never understand them. But maybe it's just me, who lives out illusions.

norton9478
11-18-2018, 12:19 PM
Its not for us as an adversary. Its for us to be an ALLY.


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norton9478
11-18-2018, 12:24 PM
It's a bit like post WWI Germany, where we had to choose between bankruptcy or war. Russia took it one step up, for them it's bankruptcy or the creation of chaos, and war is just a part of this creation. Other parts are bread and circuses, read: vodka & large sport events, further: intel & mob, nationalism & religion and, of course, the caste system of oligarchs along with their Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda, which works like a perpetuum mobile. It seems, the design, their game so to speak, isn't anymore power for power's sake, but chaos as a lifestyle, instability as a foundation, becoming a guy who kills for sports. Strange people, I'll never understand them. But maybe it's just me, who lives out illusions.


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SouthtownKid
11-19-2018, 08:27 AM
We have people who think vaccines are dangerous, that fluoride causes IQ problems, that the moon landing was faked.Don't forget the sudden increase in flat-Earthers. They alarm me more than the vaccine, fluoride, moon landing/Kubrick-is-sending-me-coded-messages people.

Sylvie
11-19-2018, 05:34 PM
how many people here think they are qualified to work in any government intelligence agency or military branch or foreign affairs sector or whatever? raise your hand. i see most of you are really well informed

do you guys really think that anything you see or read regarding Russia and America is real? Or any country's "affairs" for that matter? Get fucking real for a second. Nobody in the general public has the privilege of knowing what is going on. That includes all the garbage that you think you know based on what you see on the news and even guerilla independent left wing "unbiased sources". It's literally a bunch of dissected garbage for you to munch on and puff your chests about while the real, probably very unexciting and weird events continue to go on with no end because the fuckers in power are a loooootttt smarter, simpler, and more privileged than us. Especially Russia. Lmao. :cool:

Poppy
11-19-2018, 07:24 PM
Sylvie playing the "im just a stupid girl" card

Yeah, Mueller indicting half a dozen Russians was clearly for no reason

:thevt:

wyo
11-19-2018, 07:49 PM
Skepticism and critical thinking are important but people tend to get carried away with the conspiracy theories. It's much more interesting and exciting to think JFK was assassinated as part of a plot than by a lone gunman, or that 9/11 was an inside job rather than a methodically executed terrorist attack. Case in point:


do you guys really think that anything you see or read regarding Russia and America is real? Or any country's "affairs" for that matter?

Blindly believing everything you read is stupid but automatically assuming everything is a lie is full on retarded.

Tripredacus
11-20-2018, 03:42 PM
But if a group in Russia wants to deliberately misinform and direct the focus of Americans, they can. We have people who think vaccines are dangerous, that fluoride causes IQ problems, that the moon landing was faked. If you think those people share the blame, then okay. If you think they are solely to blame, then I disagree.

Sharing the blame is better. It is not as if the actions do not exist. I do not think it is all to one side. There are many different groups doing things like this for many different reasons. Some are from Russia, some pretend to be from Russia but most are not.

Evil Wasabi
11-20-2018, 03:59 PM
Sharing the blame is better. It is not as if the actions do not exist. I do not think it is all to one side. There are many different groups doing things like this for many different reasons. Some are from Russia, some pretend to be from Russia but most are not.

The people who were receptive to Russian propaganda would not hold such stupid beliefs but for the proliferation of Russian propaganda in social media (fb), radio (sputnik), television (rt), and media partnerships (breitbart, Alex Jones).

norton9478
11-21-2018, 09:06 AM
For the record... Didn't the Russians invent the "Protocol of the Elders of Zion" document?

Evil Wasabi
11-21-2018, 01:12 PM
For the record... Didn't the Russians invent the "Protocol of the Elders of Zion" document?

Whoa there, are you trying to summon Bobak?

Rot
11-21-2018, 01:27 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/cpONvT3dwoqMo/giphy.gif

xROTx

ReplicaX
11-28-2018, 09:54 AM
I was forunate enough to do a few joint exercises when I was in the military, with the Russians at Zhukovsky back in 2004 and I can honestly say, most Americans completely underestimate them not only from a military and intel standpoint. But overall national pride and how controlled press is there.

Russia just cannot be underestimated as proven throughout history. US counter-intel isn't a conspiracy theory, even post cold war. Just like the ppl that believe the US has never meddled with other Countries elections or to gain an advantage whether politically or economically.

When Russia campaigned in Syria, it was a huge eye opener for the Obama Administration and US Military. As it showed how far they have advanced in rapid response and deployment, on top of some of their newer tech and overall strength and capabilities of their Air Force. Which is why Obama made efforts with the EU and NATO to build up Baltic defenses.

Also Ukraine needs to be very careful, it didn't help them back in March when they seized and boarded Russian boats in legal seas. Why it comes to no surprise the recent incident in Kerch. Ukrainians, really do not have a lot of faith in their government due to years of corruption and the East/West divide. Russia loves playing the long game...always.

As far as the Trump Administration, who fucking knows, I consider everything at this point up in the air.

Xavier
12-15-2018, 01:08 AM
https://youtu.be/OkbFkc3ykrI?t=126

ReplicaX
12-15-2018, 03:56 PM
The Tu-160 is an impressive bomber that doesn't have the hydraulic nightmares of the B-1B. That said, I think everyone agrees that totally annoying RT reporter should have been decapitated by the wing. Typical RT.