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famicommander
01-09-2018, 10:36 PM
If many of you are like me, you bought some new controllers to use with your PC Engines and TG16s. The SD System will open up a lot more games, some of which require (or heavily benefit from) more than the standard 2 button pad.

One lesson I learned the hard way is that the 3 button games and the 6 button games work very differently.

The 3 button controller actually just allows you to map either the select or run button (using a switch) to a third action button. It's very useful for games that mapped stuff besides menus to the run or select button.

The 6 button controller works entirely differently. These controllers will not allow you to map select or run to any other button. The controllers have a switch on them to go between 2 button and 6 button modes, and you have to have the switch in 2 button mode or the game will go crazy.

Here is a list I have compiled through lurking and searching on PC Engine FX/Atariage/Neogaf/other forums and my own trial and error.

Games which map stuff to select or run (3 button controller games):

Forgotton Worlds - the only game that REQUIRES a 3 button controller;
maps movement to select

After Burner II - maps your Afterburners to run

Air Zonk - select fires up rear thrusters to damage enemies behind you

Atlantean - run button warps

Dracula X: Rondo of Blood - maps item crush to select

Barunba - select rotates your cannons

Battle Royale - select + d-pad uses special attack

Blazing Lazers - select cycles through your speed settings

Bloody Wolf - run throws grenades or flash bombs, uses
flamethrower, and dismounts motorcycles

Cyber Core - select cycles your speed settings

Download - select cycles your speed settings

Final Match Tennis - maps the lop shot to run

Final Soldier - select cycles through your speed settings

Gate of Thunder - select cycles through your speed settings

Golden Axe - select casts magic

Gradius II - select uses power ups

John Madden Fooball - run button passes

Legendary Axe 2 - run button throws bombs

Martial Champion - run button attacks high

Metamor Jupiter - select cycles through ship transformations

Ninja Spirit - select changes weapons

Riot Zone - run button uses desperation move

Silent Debuggers - run button fires secondary weapon

Shinobi - select button uses ninja magic

Soldier Blade - select cycles through your speed settings

Special Criminal Investigation - select uses boost

Spriggan mk 2 - select toggles through weapons

Street Fighter II' - run button is your third attack, select cycles
between punches and kicks

Star Soldier - select cycles through your speed settings

Turrican - select changes weapons

Vallis III - run changes characters

World Heroes 2 - run button is your throw/taunt button

Plenty of other games map menus, inventory screens, or status screens to one of the buttons, so if you'd prefer an action button for those cases it can be useful there too. Or if you just want easier access to the pause button in any game.

Six button games


Advanced VG
Art of Fighting
Battlefield '94
Fatal Fury 2
Fatal Fury Special
Fire Pro Female Wrestling
Kabuki Itouryodan
Kakutou Haou Densetsu Algunos
Linda Cube
Majhong Sword Princess Quest Gaiden
Martial Champions
Princess Maker 2
Street Fighter II'
Strip Fighter
Super Real Mahjong P ll + lll Custom
World Heroes 2
Ys IV

If anyone notices any errors or anything missing, by all means point it out. I haven't played every single game on both lists and am just going off forum posts scattered across the internet.

Raph4
01-10-2018, 01:53 AM
Good idea. Now I know when I need use my HORI stick ^^

PS: Kabuki Itouryodan look a beautiful game, I did not know this game.
Thanks.

fenikso
01-10-2018, 08:40 AM
Guess I'm gonna have to get a three button controller.

Syn
01-10-2018, 09:03 PM
Guess I'm gonna have to get a three button controller.

It's the controller I use the most.

famicommander
01-10-2018, 09:10 PM
I still like the Hori Fighting Commander PC six button controller the most, even for 2 button games. It's pretty much just a Super Nintendo controller with two extra face buttons. Fantastic d-pad, responsive buttons, turbo and slow switches, great layout, very comfortable.

The Avenue Pad 3 is a great controller too though, and it's a must have. Not quite as comfortable as the Hori pad but it feels good and the controls work very well.

I would recommend both controllers, but if you can only get one, probably the Avenue 3. It plays 2 button games fine and that third button is used for way more games than the extra buttons on the six button pads. But if you feel like spending the cash, both is the way to go. Any 2 button game is played on the Hori for me.

GohanX
01-10-2018, 11:16 PM
Forgotten Worlds works fine with a 2 button controller, it just feels funny since you're using Run as an action button.

mistahsnart
01-11-2018, 07:56 AM
Forgotten Worlds works fine with a 2 button controller, it just feels funny since you're using Run as an action button.

Same with Bloody Wolf and grenades being on the Run button. It's the way I grew up playing it, but having an Avenue 3 pad makes it much nicer.

cr4zymanz0r
01-12-2018, 08:23 PM
What does Ys IV do to take advantage of a 6 button controller? I plan to play the fan translation of it once my Super SD System 3 arrives.

Tanooki
01-12-2018, 10:02 PM
Is SF2 that terrible with less than 6 buttons in actual use? I read you have to use select to switch between the Punch and Kick which seems like a problem. I'm trying to figure out if I should bother with a 6 button controller or not since it would cover the 3 button games too.

Syn
01-13-2018, 12:06 AM
It doesn't cover 3 button games. You can't map the run or select with a 6 button.

fenikso
01-13-2018, 04:47 AM
Guess I'm gonna have to get a three button controller.


It's the controller I use the most.

Ordered. It's been a loooong time since I played Forgotten Worlds on Genesis, so the PCE version will be my first stop for the 3-button pad when it, and the SSDS3, get here.

GohanX
01-14-2018, 07:53 PM
Forgotten Worlds is so fucking good.

opt2not
02-01-2018, 05:29 PM
hey, I'm wondering if anyone here has a MC Cthulu modded arcade stick and are using it with the SSDS3?

I've been talking to Lemony about toodles' shoddy support for PC Engine, he mentioned that playing Japanese Hucards doesn't work well with the MC Cthulu, but US and CD games work great. Also more interesting is that Japanese Hucard games running off an Everdrive work... so I'm wondering if the SSDS3 will work as well or if there's something special about the Everdrive allowing these games to be fine with the MC Cthulu.

GohanX
02-01-2018, 07:23 PM
I don't know, but if I can find my pce Cthulhu cable I'll check. I don't have my multi tap handy though, which helped stabilize the cthulhus flakiness.

opt2not
02-01-2018, 07:31 PM
I don't know, but if I can find my pce Cthulhu cable I'll check. I don't have my multi tap handy though, which helped stabilize the cthulhus flakiness.

Yeah I heard that too. I'm going to find myself a cheap multitap for this. With the amount of quality shmups and arcade ports on this console, it would be ideal to have an arcade stick set-up that doesn't rely on the old 3rd party ones.

Though I hear that the ASCII sticks are pretty shwank, but I've got my own set of custom sticks that are multi-console enabled, it would be great to not have to buy another stick just for PCE alone.

Dochartaigh
02-01-2018, 08:16 PM
So I'm completely and utterly new to TG16 - but am thinking of getting one along with the Super SD System 3 sometime soon. If I'm understanding correctly, to be able to play the full library of games (regular hucard, and the CD games), I need at the bare minimum a 3 button controller (which can act like the original 2-button?) and a 6-button controller (is this one called "NEC Avenue Pad 6"? - not a single result on eBay for "turbo grafx 6 button controller"...)? That would cover all bases?

I can still play 2 button games on the 6-button or 3-button controller, right? But just can't play that 1 games which requires a 3-button controller on the 6-button (or 2-button) controller?

fenikso
02-01-2018, 08:57 PM
Turbo didn't get the 3 or 6 button controllers. The controllers use a different sized connector, but are identical/fully compatible in all other ways. You can buy an adapter for pretty cheap.

Two button games are compatible with the other pads.

famicommander
02-01-2018, 09:00 PM
So I'm completely and utterly new to TG16 - but am thinking of getting one along with the Super SD System 3 sometime soon. If I'm understanding correctly, to be able to play the full library of games (regular hucard, and the CD games), I need at the bare minimum a 3 button controller (which can act like the original 2-button?) and a 6-button controller (is this one called "NEC Avenue Pad 6"? - not a single result on eBay for "turbo grafx 6 button controller"...)? That would cover all bases?

I can still play 2 button games on the 6-button or 3-button controller, right? But just can't play that 1 games which requires a 3-button controller on the 6-button (or 2-button) controller?
Technically it is possible to play any three button game on a two button controller. It's just that the three button controller was specifically designed for Forgotten Worlds and even bundled with it. And you can of course play any two button game on a three button controller. The three button controller simply has a switch that allows you to map the third action button to run, select, or off. The Avenue 3 Pad is the way to go.

As for the six button controller, it has a hard switch on it to change between 6 button and 2 button mode. The two main options are the Hori Fighting Commander and the Avenue 6.

The 3 button controller is more useful but the 6 button is a fantastic controller, and it's pretty helpful if you plan to play any of the games on that short list above.

GohanX
02-01-2018, 09:12 PM
I tested a few games that I have, first using the real hucards then using the SD3. All the US games worked either way, the Japanese games didn't. Some would be flakey and have the wrong inputs. Some would eventually work if I messed with it enough and some did nothing.

Loading up the same games in the SD3 and they all worked fine, Japanese or US.

Does anyone know how to enable 6 button mode? I can't get SF2 to recognize it as anything but a regular controller and I seem to remember playing it six button before.

famicommander
02-01-2018, 10:03 PM
I tested a few games that I have, first using the real hucards then using the SD3. All the US games worked either way, the Japanese games didn't. Some would be flakey and have the wrong inputs. Some would eventually work if I messed with it enough and some did nothing.

Loading up the same games in the SD3 and they all worked fine, Japanese or US.

Does anyone know how to enable 6 button mode? I can't get SF2 to recognize it as anything but a regular controller and I seem to remember playing it six button before.

It should work if you have the switch on the controller in 6B mode and then go into the options menu of the game.

phoenixdownita
02-02-2018, 12:58 AM
Years ago i found this resource quite valuable

http://www.slowdays.org/kaka/List_of_6-Button_PC_Engine_Games
http://www.slowdays.org/kaka/List_of_Mouse-Supporting_PC_Engine_Games
http://www.slowdays.org/kaka/List_of_ACD-SCD_PC_Engine_Games
http://www.slowdays.org/kaka/List_of_Arcade_Card_PC_Engine_Games

CZroe
02-02-2018, 02:25 AM
If anyone wants to adapt their NeoGeo sticks, you can map Run/Select/II/I however you please with this:
https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/5BpBrxA5

This one has a built-in 2p tap. The same author has a simpler 1P version. I’ve also found schematics for an Avenue 6-compatible pad that I plan to incorporate when I build mine.

Westcb
02-02-2018, 07:15 AM
Years ago i found this resource quite valuable

http://www.slowdays.org/kaka/List_of_6-Button_PC_Engine_Games
http://www.slowdays.org/kaka/List_of_Mouse-Supporting_PC_Engine_Games
http://www.slowdays.org/kaka/List_of_ACD-SCD_PC_Engine_Games
http://www.slowdays.org/kaka/List_of_Arcade_Card_PC_Engine_Games

I had no idea there were games that used a mouse. Looking at the list I only really recognized lemmings which I had totally forgot about. I played it a lot on PC as a kid and might search out a mouse controller just to try it. Iím sure the nostalgia will wear off but now Iím curious would anyone recommend any other mouse game? If not Iím guessing Iím better suited just playing the original on a pc and not worry about it. Now off to google some of these titles and see what they are all about.

Dochartaigh
02-02-2018, 01:25 PM
As for the six button controller, it has a hard switch on it to change between 6 button and 2 button mode. The two main options are the Hori Fighting Commander and the Avenue 6.

The 3 button controller is more useful but the 6 button is a fantastic controller, and it's pretty helpful if you plan to play any of the games on that short list above.

Thanks. In doing some more research only the 2-button controller was used in the United States, right? And I need an adapter to use those Avenue 3 or 6 button controllers on my USA Turbo Grafx 16? Are those controllers even compatible with USA TG16 games?

Can't even seem to find the 3 button ones anywhere besides shipped from Japan - and with the sheer number of bunk controllers I've ordered off eBay and had to return, I'm definitely not ordering those from Japan (they're also $40-70 for a 3/6 button Avenue - if anyone has a hookup please PM me!).

fenikso
02-02-2018, 01:48 PM
You're not a big reader are you?

opt2not
02-02-2018, 02:21 PM
Years ago i found this resource quite valuable

http://www.slowdays.org/kaka/List_of_6-Button_PC_Engine_Games
http://www.slowdays.org/kaka/List_of_Mouse-Supporting_PC_Engine_Games
http://www.slowdays.org/kaka/List_of_ACD-SCD_PC_Engine_Games
http://www.slowdays.org/kaka/List_of_Arcade_Card_PC_Engine_Games

Awesome, nice lists.



I had no idea there were games that used a mouse. Looking at the list I only really recognized lemmings which I had totally forgot about. I played it a lot on PC as a kid and might search out a mouse controller just to try it. I’m sure the nostalgia will wear off but now I’m curious would anyone recommend any other mouse game? If not I’m guessing I’m better suited just playing the original on a pc and not worry about it. Now off to google some of these titles and see what they are all about.

I think Lemmings still holds up today, it's still fun, difficult and replay-able. Over the Holiday Season I was playing Holiday Lemmings off an Amiga and it was still a great game. I kinda wish there was a Spooky or Halloween Lemmings, I think that would be a great theme for the game.

Dochartaigh
02-02-2018, 03:57 PM
You're not a big reader are you?

No, I totally missed your post while replying to Famicommander! Thank you - good to know they're compatible with a USA console (with an adapter).

Where did you order your 3-button controller from BTW?

fenikso
02-02-2018, 04:43 PM
Ebay. It was practically new. Still had the protective cling plastic on the shiny bit of the face plate. Much better condition than I expected.

Syn
02-02-2018, 05:50 PM
I can see why he asked, some German guy has crazy prices on eBay.

famicommander
02-02-2018, 06:09 PM
Prices have gone up since I posted this thread. I paid way less for my Hori 6 Button and Avenue 3 than any of the current eBay listings.

fenikso
02-02-2018, 06:12 PM
I can see why he asked, some German guy has crazy prices on eBay.

Someone needs to get out a line of new PCE/Turbo Grafx controllers asap. The prices are lol worthy for these used ones. I payed almost as much for a six button controller as I did for my system.

Syn
02-02-2018, 06:42 PM
How's the Blaster?

I think the third button switch is on the bottom right (run/select).

opt2not
02-02-2018, 07:32 PM
If anyone wants to adapt their NeoGeo sticks, you can map Run/Select/II/I however you please with this:
https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/5BpBrxA5

This one has a built-in 2p tap. The same author has a simpler 1P version. I’ve also found schematics for an Avenue 6-compatible pad that I plan to incorporate when I build mine.

Willing to build an extra for me? :)

Westcb
02-02-2018, 09:16 PM
Thanks. In doing some more research only the 2-button controller was used in the United States, right? And I need an adapter to use those Avenue 3 or 6 button controllers on my USA Turbo Grafx 16? Are those controllers even compatible with USA TG16 games?

Can't even seem to find the 3 button ones anywhere besides shipped from Japan - and with the sheer number of bunk controllers I've ordered off eBay and had to return, I'm definitely not ordering those from Japan (they're also $40-70 for a 3/6 button Avenue - if anyone has a hookup please PM me!).

Yeah I just got a avenue 3 pad off eBay. I think it was 28 plus shipping. Was pretty clean but button 2 was sticking bad. Contacted seller and he immediately apologized and offered to send me a blaster 3 free of charge. I took the controller home dissembled it and cleaned it up with alcohol. Buttons work great now so I messaged the seller and told him I was able to fix it and keep the blaster. While I had it apart I found the rocker pad rubber contacts were compatible with nes rocker pad controller contacts. I could trim the select start if needed but they are not the correct height so I didnít try to switch those out. The ones on the button pads were completely different as well but would love to find replacements for them just in case. Sellers name was s8c_collection. He mentioned just messaging him if you looking for anything at all and he could get it.

Dochartaigh
02-02-2018, 10:08 PM
Sellers name was s8c_collection. He mentioned just messaging him if you looking for anything at all and he could get it.


Thanks, I'll definitely look him up.

CZroe
03-17-2018, 02:07 PM
Willing to build an extra for me? :)
If I ever get around to doing it for myself, sure. :)

RevQuixo
03-19-2018, 01:25 PM
Group buy?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-Engine-20-Pack-Avenue-Pad-6-NEC-Japan-NEW/231482070297?hash=item35e5681519:g:W94AAOSwrklU4bC i

GohanX
03-19-2018, 06:45 PM
$70 each is still a terrible price.

RevQuixo
03-19-2018, 08:07 PM
$70 each is still a terrible price.

At this point, I'm not sure prices are going down :(

Neo NooNaN
04-05-2018, 08:32 PM
I'd be in on that for a new one, but have a feeling we won't find (19) more.

I just remembered that I have a new one...

49607

Doesn't look like it has a way to map select/run though. How was this one used? Was the Avenue the only pad that could do this?

fenikso
04-06-2018, 01:37 AM
I think that little switch in the bottom right of the pad is the select/run toggle.

Kid Panda
04-06-2018, 05:30 AM
Group buy?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-Engine-20-Pack-Avenue-Pad-6-NEC-Japan-NEW/231482070297?hash=item35e5681519:g:W94AAOSwrklU4bC i

Can almost promise you that's some asshole Euro flipper living in Japan. His prices are straight retarded.

Neo NooNaN
04-06-2018, 07:43 AM
I think that little switch in the bottom right of the pad is the select/run toggle.

Didn't even see that! Thanks! Reason to open it now.

EDIT - opened it...the switch has (3) positions. Will have to test it out and see. Super small controller though.

famicommander
04-12-2018, 11:01 AM
Didn't even see that! Thanks! Reason to open it now.

EDIT - opened it...the switch has (3) positions. Will have to test it out and see. Super small controller though.

The positions should be for off, button I mapping, and button II mapping.

basic
01-01-2019, 05:17 PM
Mumbo jumbo...

Nerd alert!

massimiliano
01-03-2019, 04:32 PM
here to say "four bright buttons and two joysticks"