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neosd
12-07-2017, 12:47 PM
08-12-2017 - 00:20 IMPORTANT - PAYMENT SYSTEM ISSUE

Hi guys, it seems we passed the per daily sales limit our payment system allows.
We see every incoming transaction blocked now, its 00:20 here today and tomorrow is National party in Spain, i will call some friends that work at our bank tomorrow to try to get the limited removed so if you canīt purchase, just try in some hours please.

Sorry about the inconvenience



Hello Everyone

So after NEOSD (AES and MVS), we came here today with our new product. Its called Super SD System 3

https://www.neosdstore.com/shop/img/p/1/0/5/105.jpg

Super SD System 3 is a 3 in one device for Pcengine.

Its and ODE and a flashcart plus a AV Booster with RGB output using Mega Drive 2 video cables (both RGB and composite video cables are supported)

So where is the magic on this new device ?

It dosenīt requires ANY system card to play cdrom games and every game works.
It dosent matters if this a cdrom2 game a super cdrom2 game or an arcade cdrom2 game.

You just need the basic pcengine to play the entire pcengine catallog, and if you have a supergrafx you will be able to play the 6 released Super Grafx Games.


Turgbografx 16 NTSC is also working but as today we are not totally sure if the shell fit there, thats why we are not directly anouncing it. We will know it next week or in 2 weeks, as soon as the final shells arrive.

Here are the details about the device :

https://www.neosdstore.com/shop/img/p/1/0/6/106.jpg


Super SD system 3 will be shipped with a nice factory made cardbox


https://www.neosdstore.com/shop/img/p/1/0/8/108.jpg

https://www.neosdstore.com/shop/img/p/1/0/7/107.jpg

This time shells will be made of black smoke transparent ABS plastic, at a different factory that did NEOSD shells.


Purachse/production/shipping status :

We launched the production of the pcbs in the first week of november, we expect those next week and the SMT soldering process should be done on the last 2 weeks of the year.

Mould has been sent to polishment process last monday and we expect to have final pieces by 12th december of this year.

We finished cardbox design yesterday and we will submit the design to printing by monday.

Every pixel art there is done by AlienPDX (great guy !!)

So we expect to have the final product ready to ship by the last week of december or the first week of january.

We have opened sales and as before we will respect purchase order while shipping

We are going to show the different bits while those arrive, so you guys get acurate shipping status.


We did our best with this new product, our goal has been to build the definitive device for the pcengine to play any game faster and in a better confortable way the original hardware does.


We will be happy to answer any questions you may have.

In the meanwhile here are some videos :

The lst one done by Yodd, the review done by gadgetuk and the other one done by ourselves back in October.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyEJk0LmM8I



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bavh9BXIww


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjm4rCsr8BY

neosd
12-07-2017, 12:48 PM
UPDATE : 10-01-2018

Hello Everyone,

We got the first lot of pcbs from factory today, next week we will get even more.

So, those are the final pcbs factory soldered

http://www.neosdstore.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/final_pcbs_from_factory.jpeg

http://www.neosdstore.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/final_pcbs_from_factory_1.jpeg


We were able to program 32 units today (program, validate, assemble into the shells (this picture was talken while we were doing the shells assembly)

http://www.neosdstore.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Super_SD_System_3_ready_to_ship.jpeg


So, the good news are :

Pcbs look pretty aswesome.
We tried 32 and 0 errors.
We are ready to ship

There are two small things pending to arrive:

a) double side adhesive tape to glue the boxes.
b) brown cardbox to protect the Super SD System 3 cardbox.

Both things are going to be delivered tomorrow.

So : i think we may be able to ship some units tomorrow, worst scenario friday.

I am happy to anounce :

WE START SHIPPING TOMORROW (i hope) or FRIDAY.


Again i am going to ask for one thing :

Donīt email asking when your order is going to ship, we donīt know and we are not going to answer those cause we have a lot of work to deliver and ratter we spend our time delivering ratter than answering when are we going to deliver.

AND : PATIENCE.

I think it will take us about 3 weeks to be up to date with current orders, but we are selling a good number of units, so everyone i going to have patience .

I hope you guys understand that, we are doing our best to get as many units as possible shipped.




BTW we are super excited to see your coments about our work, guys.



UPDATE : 08-01-2018

I have called pcbs factory, they said we will have the pcbs soldered this week, so i expect we will start shipping this week.
They were unable to tell me the day they will have the pcbs done (as usual).

I will give you more details as soon as we have those, guys.


UPDATE : 05-01-2018

Cardboxes arrived yesterday. Only pcbs remaing to arrive now, we expect those next week, more details as soon as we have those.

I able to fast mount one without glue it. It was a fast job to see how those will look like once glued and assembled


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LFLLdLLcfQ





UPDATE 03-01-2017

We got tracking number for the cardboxes and manuals.
Those should arrive by friday


UPDATE : 03-01-2018 We got shells in Sotck, we are just waiting for pcbs and cardboxes to start shipping. Shipment is inminent

Some videos of the shells :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q34Bwd6e_Jc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dp_FLV3Zc0




UPDATE : 30-12-2017

We have a delivery date for shells

Wednesday, 03/01/2018 , by 14:00 (this is European date format. Next Wednesday, in 4 days)




UPDATE 26-12-2017 Manual

http://www.neosdstore.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/FINAL_SSDS3_MANUAL_v2.pdf


UPDATE 22-12-2017 Final Shells

This thingle is going to look pretty nice with the golden pads pcb inside ;)

http://www.neosdstore.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/SSDS3_final_Shells_2.jpg

http://www.neosdstore.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/SSDS3_final_Shells_1.jpg


BTW, shells are being packed right now for shipment ....





EDIT 18-12-2017

Hello

New production update.

Final pcb panels have been finished, we got two samples and the rest have been sent to the SMT factory for soldering.

We still donīt know if SMT factory will be able to solder the chips on the pcbs the last week of december or if we will have to wait until the first week of January.
I expect to not know this until last day of December at all ...




EDIT : 13-12-2017


Hello everyone,

We have added the final barcode and changed the av output draw aswel.

So we have the final box art ready to subtimt to print.

Please, have a look and see if you guys can notice any mistakes or so before its too late :)




EDIT : 09-12-2017


First production update comes today

Mould has finished the polishment stage and we got samples of the final pieces, those SAMPLES are in solid black but FINAL PIECES WILL BE TRANSPARENT BLACK

Those pictures are good to see how the shells will look like :

EDIT : Pictures removed cause we added the final shells pictures

I hope you all like those






FAQ




Can you use a real system card on Super System 3 ? Is it a High Level Emulator ?



You can actually use an actual system card and it will work.
There is not HLE, it's the cd controller running on the FPGA, the SCSI interface,the ADPCM decoder and the arcade card, all running in the FPGA.
The fact that it works with standard system cards proves that the implementation is low level enough to make it believe it's a real cd briefcase what's on the expansion port



Out of curiosity: can the Super System 3 be used to dump HuCards to the SD card? It'd be a fun, if a bit unnecessary, feature for people who have a large library of games.


That would be an interesting feature for people who want to legally dump their own games.

Hello,

We discussed this back in the day, i myself would love this aswel.

The issue is that once you plug a hucard, it takes control over the expansion port so you would need to boot Super SD System 3 before plug a hucard and then dump it.

The plastic piece on the power button avoids the hotplug of the hucard aswel.



Had to call my CC company but I was able to order one!

Has this been tested on the PCE LT?

No, but it should work, the only board where we are sure it will not work is on the PAL Turbografx 16 cause the 50hz changes they did are so deep that ruin some pieces of magic we use :)
Turbografx 16 PAL runs at a different clock speed than the NTSC one or the japanese pcengines/coregrafxs/supergrafx

No one tried it on turbografx16 until today (gadget did) and it works fine. We were expecting that as we spent 3 months just polishing the firmware, so its pretty solid.



Will the box have an actual barcode, or the partial one on the mock-up with the 0s?

It will, we need one asap.



Congratulations, looks amazing!

Is it a Mega Drive 2 cable for RGB though? Looks like MD1 connector on the packaging.


Its Megadrive 2 RGB cable YES, megadrive 1 is bigger and it has a different shape aswel



I bought a Turbo EverDrive *today*. Well, fuck me.

Few questions for mr neosd:

- Can this also output csync instead of sync-on-composite?
- Does it come with a companion HuCard or can you 'boot' from the expansion port?
- I assume any existing internal RGB mod (tapping RGB from the expansion connector) would have to be removed for this to work?

It also outputs TTL level csync (negative hsync & vsync)

You don't need any hucard inserted for it to work. If you insert a hucard, the internal hucard emulation is disabled, although the cd emulation is still working.

I think even if there is an internal rgb mod, it will work fine, as long as no traces from the video chip to the expansion port are cut.



Do you have to use the rgb from the super sd sytem 3,or could i use the rgb from my mooded core grafx?
Otherwise i need to order megadrive 2 rgb cable.


You can use the pcengine video output BUT you will not get cd audio sound cause the pcengine lacks of ADPCM hardware that both Super SD System 3 and original super cdrom2 drive has, so you need to get atleast the audio output from the super sd system 3 mini-din connector.



Would it be recommended to get a stronger power supply (more amps) or will the stock one be just fine?

This is a nice discussion we had aswel,
Stock pcengine PSU is 450ma and this is quite low for the entire set but it just works fine. So this is up to everyone



This is huge! I'm so glad I kept myself from getting into PCE before now.

What's the best PCE variant (both from a cost vs features) standpoint to use with this?

This is a way personal question.

Both pcengine, coregrafx 1 and coregrafx 2 will give you the same performance with Super SD System 3, no differences at all. Actually Coregrafx 1 and Coregrafx are 100% the same hardware.
If you want to play the 6 exclusive hucard games SuperGrafx has, you should go for a SuperGrafx, else i would go for the cheapest one.





Just a few clarifications on the hardware:

- you don't need a new power supply, we have tested with the 650mA psu of pcengines and it works fine.

- you don't need a hucard. Everything is emulated in the sd system 3: hucards, system cards, arcade card... .
You can however use your own hucards and that part will be disabled on the sd system 3, so you can still benefit, for example, from the backup ram or use your own system card to boot cds. Some limitations apply though, so it's recommened to use the internal emulation and run without a hucard.

- csync is TTL but can be easily feed to a 75ohm sync inserting a 470ohm resistor in the cart. The sd system 3 has access to the original pce csync, that is 75ohm sync levels, but it's not selected, currently a TTL csync is generated from the h & v sync signals.




Didn't see it asked anywhere else yet, and I don't particularly care about other's opinions about if it should have been implemented or not, but why no HDMI output?

This would have increased the development costs, manufacturing and the final price aswel.

On the other hand people interested on upscalers are just using framemeisters and oss, so we thought it would be better to have a pure rgb output so everyone can use theyr favourite upscaler ratter than force everyone to purchase a included one.



thank you guys! I will buy it!

I have 3 questions for NeoSD member:


2) the RGB cable and the microSD aren't included in the box, am I right?
3) the cd games could have different format: bin+cue, iso+cue, wav files + cue and so on. Are all the format supported?
4) a lot of Pc Engine on ebay are RGB modded: do you think that the modded console with the RGB output could not work with Super System 3?

thank you!

RGB Cable and microsd are not included

The cart currently supports cue+iso and cue+bin, but adding cue+wav is easy. cue+mp3 and similar formats with compressed audio won't be supported.

I think a rgb modded console will work. You can also continue using your modded rgb output if you wish, but the audio must be taken from the sd system 3 connector, otherwise you'll miss the cdda + adpcm sound that is generated by the cdrom block




Regards jailbars - you will get them if you haven't modded your console, and no uber quality RGB cable or whatever will fix that. You would need to do the bypass cap mod to the PCE to fix it. I notice it more on my TG16 than the PCE if I am honest. But the Super SD System 3 has no influence on that issue at all - purely lack of the correct bypass caps on the Hu6260.

EDIT: What I am trying to say here is if you have jailbars, its not the Super SD System 3, and no expansion or RGB mod or cable mod can fix that particular issue. It's a mod you would have to do to your PCE. It's starting to feel like people are expecting the Super SD System 3 to solve all their problems in life, part the seas, walk on water etc =D True, it can walk on water, but it cannot magically fix an incorrectly sized capacitor next to the Hu6260 chip :o)

Yes, the jailbars are a problem in the internal hardware of the pce so there is little that can be done externally.

There is theoretically a way to fix it, by tapping the color bus and dot clock in the exp bus, capturing palette writes and regenerating a rgb signal from the digital data that is noise free. I guess this is what the dvi device uses, but they seem to have some issues (probably due to the varying dot clock and resolutions the pce uses). Also that would mean a more powerful and expensive fpga, video DACs and other non trivial stuff ( compensating the signal delays, etc...), bigger pcb to accomodate the extra needed hw... So as I said, it's theoretically doable, but really hard.



with PCE Sģ is it possible to transfert old save data from interface unit/duo with ten no koe card ?

We haven't tried, but it's theoretically possible, as when when a real hucard is detected, the backup ram controller is still enabled, and you can read/write it, and it will be saved to the sd.
The process, though, will be a bit involved, depending if you have "per game saves" selected or not.

If you don't have the per game saves selected, the save data will be read and written to a file named backup.bup, so you have all the saves in a block, as if you had a normal super cdrom/IFU. Just insert your ten no koe card and transfer the saves to the cd backup ram.

With the "per game saves" option on is a bit more difficult, because each game will have its own .bup file, but when running an external hucard, it will use backup.bup, as it doesn't know which game you have, so you'll have to insert your ten no koe card, transfer the data from the card to the cd backup ram (of the SD system 3) then take the sd out, go to the bup folder and copy or rename the backup.bup file to the name of the game you want to use that backup for, and then you can run your game with the save data you transferred from the card, although it will have more save files there, apart from the current game, you can delete them from the backup ram manager in the bios (if you have "Skip 'Press Run' " on, just hold SELECT while booting, and it will not skip the press run message, and you can access the backup manager by pressing SELECT there.

FilthyRear
12-07-2017, 12:52 PM
Well, shit.

Nice.

greatfunky
12-07-2017, 12:55 PM
I was almost sure of that ! i'm on it !! sorry for my duo-r , i'll have to buy a pc engine or a turbographx ...

Yodd
12-07-2017, 01:01 PM
Wooohoo!

LDigital
12-07-2017, 01:03 PM
Omg I need it

NeoTurfMasta
12-07-2017, 01:03 PM
Had to call my CC company but I was able to order one!

Has this been tested on the PCE LT?

Razoola
12-07-2017, 01:04 PM
Really nice neosd.... Not for me personally as I'm not really into consoles but this looks top notch which is what I would expect from you guys. I'm really liking that final 26sec promo video also, that is really well done.

neosd
12-07-2017, 01:09 PM
Really nice neosd.... Not for me personally as I'm not really into consoles but this looks top notch which is what I would expect from you guys. I'm really liking that final 26sec promo video also, that is really well done.

Thanks for the coments, the final video was done by a top guy, i just havenīt asked him if we should mention him or not, thats why i preffered to not do mistakes while mentioning him.

This time a lot of people wored on the artistic side of the project. We havenīt spent much time on this side with NEOSD and we have decided to improve every possible aspect on this new one.

BTW, we will use the seccond post to answer any tech questions.

Tripredacus
12-07-2017, 01:09 PM
Will the box have an actual barcode, or the partial one on the mock-up with the 0s?

Yodd
12-07-2017, 01:13 PM
This thing is going to knock the wind out of several other PCE/TG16 projects.

Gonna be great.

Neodogg
12-07-2017, 01:15 PM
is your company's name Onion because you make people cry from overwhelming joy?

should have named it...TerraPantalonesTent...

looks very nice...

GohanX
12-07-2017, 01:16 PM
I've heard rumors for years of various people trying to figure out the whole CD emulation thing for PCE and Sega CD. I'm glad the NeoSD team figured it out, this is awesome.

CatBoy
12-07-2017, 01:19 PM
In for two, it looks like a wonderful product, I'm really excited!

flashbackx
12-07-2017, 01:19 PM
This blows away my expectations! Completely awesome!

EDIT: Had to contact my bank to order as well, but all set now.

LDigital
12-07-2017, 01:20 PM
I was hoping it was a pce cd ode and you delivered. I am so super happy with this. As soon as someone does this for the sega cd then my life is totally complete. Hint hint :)

Fox1
12-07-2017, 01:23 PM
Ordered!

wyo
12-07-2017, 01:25 PM
Congratulations, looks amazing!

Is it a Mega Drive 2 cable for RGB though? Looks like MD1 connector on the packaging.

NeoTurfMasta
12-07-2017, 01:25 PM
This thing is going to knock the wind out of several other PCE/TG16 projects.


It sure will. Like my vaporware RGB Tennokoe Bank+ project from years ago.


I hated that project. Rare proto.

https://i.imgur.com/wrNJOMb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Mnxdi5E.jpg

Razoola
12-07-2017, 01:27 PM
Thanks for the coments, the final video was done by a top guy, i just havenīt asked him if we should mention him or not, thats why i preffered to not do mistakes while mentioning him.

This time a lot of people wored on the artistic side of the project. We havenīt spent much time on this side with NEOSD and we have decided to improve every possible aspect on this new one.

BTW, we will use the seccond post to answer any tech questions.

Its very easy to see you guys have lifted the bar over the neoSD (NeoGeo) in many aspects not directly related to the hardware itsself. Thats not to take away from the NeoSD at all but its these small areas where you have improoved that make a big difference in what I guess I would call product marketing. The end result is the final product looks really professional.

alienpdx
12-07-2017, 01:28 PM
http://alien.untergrund.net/_supersdsystem3/terraonion_bonus.gif

i finally can reveal the missing word ;)

ShootTheCore
12-07-2017, 01:28 PM
Ordered. I already own 90% of the PC Engine games I've ever wanted, but that last 10% is too expensive these days. Plus I've lost a few discs to bit rot, and this will help my peace of mind in that department. Great job TerraOnion!

neosd
12-07-2017, 01:29 PM
It sure will. Like my vaporware RGB Tennokoe Bank+ project from years ago.


I hated that project. Rare proto.

https://i.imgur.com/wrNJOMb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Mnxdi5E.jpg


Not wanting to get anyone out of the market at all, we just want to build things we would love to own and use. Obviously the easy things are already done and we are working on the hard ones

neosd
12-07-2017, 01:32 PM
Its very easy to see you guys have lifted the bar over the neoSD (NeoGeo) in many aspects not directly related to the hardware itsself. Thats not to take away from the NeoSD at all but its these small areas where you have improoved that make a big difference in what I guess I would call product marketing. The end result is the final product looks really professional.


While developing NEOSD the goal was to have a perfect pcb and a perfect firmware. We should spent more time on that aspect with NEOSD but resources were limited, we are maturing as company aswel on those aspects, we are really glad with this new project on each side.

coreykun667
12-07-2017, 01:32 PM
Now I'm glad I didn't buy an Everdrive for my PC Engine. Holy hell, I love this! Great work!

MobiusStripTech
12-07-2017, 01:43 PM
Ordered. Just another thing to add to my list of new things this month.

GadgetUK
12-07-2017, 01:44 PM
Awesome job guys! Still wowed at how amazing it is! Someone just posted a comment calling you "FPGA Gods" - I think you should change the company name to "FPGA Gods" ;)

neosd
12-07-2017, 01:45 PM
Awesome job guys! Still wowed at how amazing it is! Someone just posted a comment calling you "FPGA Gods" - I think you should change the company name to "FPGA Gods" ;)

Thanks Gadget, i have no words remembering last year while fixing neosd bugs with your help, so many hours there. Users like you make products better

Alex,

SirRockALot
12-07-2017, 01:45 PM
I bought a Turbo EverDrive *today*. Well, fuck me.

Few questions for mr neosd:

- Can this also output csync instead of sync-on-composite?
- Does it come with a companion HuCard or can you 'boot' from the expansion port?
- I assume any existing internal RGB mod (tapping RGB from the expansion connector) would have to be removed for this to work?

Tgames
12-07-2017, 01:57 PM
Very good work NeoSD ! It's ordered !
So cool that we don't need anymore the CD extension (rare and fragile).
My Nec Coregrafx II wait this :D.

Castlevania Rondo of Blood waits ^^

So much cool, we all waiting a without CD extension solution for CD games on NEC PC Engine !!

F4U57
12-07-2017, 01:57 PM
Epic!

I guess I don’t need my CD games any longer.

fille1976
12-07-2017, 01:57 PM
I'm watching the video of gadget,nice neosd,really nice product.

neosd
12-07-2017, 02:00 PM
Very good work NeoSD ! Do you have estimate date for taking orders ?
So cool that we don't need anymore the CD extension (rare and fragile).
My Nec Coregrafx II wait this !

Yes, we have opened sales.
More info on the first post.

Thanks

neodev
12-07-2017, 02:02 PM
I bought a Turbo EverDrive *today*. Well, fuck me.

Few questions for mr neosd:

- Can this also output csync instead of sync-on-composite?
- Does it come with a companion HuCard or can you 'boot' from the expansion port?
- I assume any existing internal RGB mod (tapping RGB from the expansion connector) would have to be removed for this to work?

It also outputs TTL level csync (negative hsync & vsync)

You don't need any hucard inserted for it to work. If you insert a hucard, the internal hucard emulation is disabled, although the cd emulation is still working.

I think even if there is an internal rgb mod, it will work fine, as long as no traces from the video chip to the expansion port are cut.

pixeljunkie
12-07-2017, 02:03 PM
goddammmmiiitt - this is tempting

But all my CDs and HuCards are mah babies

neosd
12-07-2017, 02:04 PM
goddammmmiiitt - this is tempting

But all my CDs and HuCards are mah babies

sd system 3 wont hurt them for sure ;)

fille1976
12-07-2017, 02:05 PM
Do you have to use the rgb from the super sd sytem 3,or could i use the rgb from my modded core grafx?
Otherwise i need to order megadrive 2 rgb cable.

Tgames
12-07-2017, 02:08 PM
Yes it's ordered neosd, so much cool what you have done for making this !!

SirRockALot
12-07-2017, 02:09 PM
It also outputs TTL level csync (negative hsync & vsync)

You don't need any hucard inserted for it to work. If you insert a hucard, the internal hucard emulation is disabled, although the cd emulation is still working.

I think even if there is an internal rgb mod, it will work fine, as long as no traces from the video chip to the expansion port are cut.

Oh yes, makes all sense. I can remove the RGB mod in any case. I totally forgot that there's separate pins for sync & composite on the MD2 connector. And I totally missed the video showing it working without a HuCard. Sorry, my mind is a bit blown right now. Congrats on first cracking the Neo Geo flashcart market and then doing the same for PCE ODEs...

Well, I'm cancelling my EverDrive, I guess...

Tgames
12-07-2017, 02:11 PM
My PC Engine is a sodipeng French version (CoreGraphFX 2) (RGB output), no problem for me with the Super SD System 3 ?

MobiusStripTech
12-07-2017, 02:11 PM
So it outputs TTL csync not 75ohm csync? I assume there is no option to switch that?

GohanX
12-07-2017, 02:11 PM
The way RGB mods in PCE cores systems are done it shouldn't matter which one you use, just don't use them both at the same time as both the SD System 3 and the RGB amp are probably pulling from the exact same pins.

SirRockALot
12-07-2017, 02:15 PM
So it outputs TTL csync not 75ohm csync? I assume there is no option to switch that?

I'm pretty sure that's the same as the actual Mega Drive and any proper cable should have a 470Ohm resistor on the sync line to attenuate.

(Please correct me if I'm talking shit)

Fox1
12-07-2017, 02:16 PM
Would it be recommended to get a stronger power supply (more amps) or will the stock one be just fine?

Tgames
12-07-2017, 02:17 PM
Mine is not a later RGB Mods, in france Sodipeng has the rights to sell PC Engine from Nec in 90's.
I bought it new already in RGB in shop back in times.

neosd
12-07-2017, 02:17 PM
So it outputs TTL csync not 75ohm csync? I assume there is no option to switch that?

I am letting neodev answers some questions i donīt have answers for such as this one.

I will edit seccond post with any relevant tech questions.

MobiusStripTech
12-07-2017, 02:19 PM
I'm pretty sure that's the same as the actual Mega Drive and any proper cable should have a 470Ohm resistor on the sync line to attenuate.

(Please correct me if I'm talking shit)

You are correct. I just wanted to confirm that it was designed that way with no option to switch. I have a MD2 cable with the resistor and a MD2 cable without the resistor, depending on what I am hooking to.

Tgames
12-07-2017, 02:19 PM
@NeoSD, the Super SD System 3 is tested with a Nec Pc Engine French Sodipeng ?

Rot
12-07-2017, 02:20 PM
ONE question...

What's a PCE?

xROTx

PS. I told you guys it was good:D

MobiusStripTech
12-07-2017, 02:20 PM
I am letting neodev answers some questions i donīt have answers for such as this one.

I will edit seccond post with any relevant tech questions.

Appreciate it. I ordered one, so I am mainly asking to be sure which of my cables to use. Some of the plug in RGB boards, like the dbGrafx Booster have the option to switch.

Tgames
12-07-2017, 02:21 PM
PCE = PC Engine simply not ?

neosd
12-07-2017, 02:22 PM
@NeoSD, the Super SD System 3 is tested with a Nec Pc Engine French Sodipeng ?

I heard there was a different version in france that was basically the same hardware as the japan coregrafx, correct me if i am wrong, if so it will work.

It will NOT WORK with regular PAL turbografx BTW but it will work with NTSC turbografx

Tgames
12-07-2017, 02:24 PM
Yes @neoSD, it's a JAPAN Coregrafx 2 the sopipeng french version.
The only difference for France it's output directly in RGB. But the hardware is a japan one and works only with japan games.

galvatron
12-07-2017, 02:26 PM
This is amazing!

I don't even own a TG16 and I'm sorely tempted to get in on this. The addition of RGB output is really going above and beyond.

Tgames
12-07-2017, 02:28 PM
When i get it, i will try with the official Nec PC Engine RGB Cable (french version), it should works fine i think.

pixeljunkie
12-07-2017, 02:28 PM
I doubt I can come to a decision ASAP - just curious if this is something that you guys will make plenty of in case I drag ass on buying one?

Kid Panda
12-07-2017, 02:29 PM
Just ordered mine.

neosd
12-07-2017, 02:32 PM
I doubt I can come to a decision ASAP - just curious if this is something that you guys will make plenty of in case I drag ass on buying one?

same thing as neosd, we are producing it as long as we have sales.

We are not going to tell lies like we have sold 200 units in a week or so ( poor manīs seller strategy), but i can tell that atleast here in Spain there have been big issues while stocking chips for the last 6 months. So at some point i expect long production times.

GadgetUK
12-07-2017, 02:33 PM
I heard there was a different version in france that was basically the same hardware as the japan coregrafx, correct me if i am wrong, if so it will work.

It will NOT WORK with regular PAL turbografx BTW but it will work with NTSC turbografx

I think you can mod the PAL units to 60Hz - maybe that would fix it?

Tgames
12-07-2017, 02:34 PM
French PAL units are already in 60hz.

GohanX
12-07-2017, 02:36 PM
ONE question...

What's a PCE?

xROTx

PS. I told you guys it was good:D

Goddamit Rot, this is a serious thread, no trolling! I've got my eye on you now.

TeamShake
12-07-2017, 02:37 PM
same thing as neosd, we are producing it as long as we have sales.

We are not going to tell lies like we have sold 200 units in a week or so ( poor manīs seller strategy), but i can tell that atleast here in Spain there have been big issues while stocking chips for the last 6 months. So at some point i expect long production times.

Will these be for sale at StoneAgeGamer also like the Neo Geo carts?

fille1976
12-07-2017, 02:39 PM
Goddamit Rot, this is a serious thread, no trolling! I've got my eye on you now.


Yep Rot,we will WATCH you from a very near distance :D

GadgetUK
12-07-2017, 02:39 PM
Just looking at differences between the PAL TG16 and NTSC TG16 - I can see why its a problem. Apparently a tonne of extra resistors and stuff on the under side of the board, 'A' revisions of the CPU and GPU etc, different main clock - sounds like they bastardized the PAL system =/

rcantor77
12-07-2017, 02:40 PM
Wow this really cool indeed... looks like its time to sell the Everdrive.

neosd
12-07-2017, 02:42 PM
Will these be for sale at StoneAgeGamer also like the Neo Geo carts?

Yes, they have asked for a date aswel, but we could not give them a date.
It will be latter but we donīt know when, there are so many variables on the production side as today such as chips sourcing that make impossible to know when.
Our own webshop customers will be first, then we will start supplying them.

Tgames
12-07-2017, 02:42 PM
I was not aware that some PAL country get a TurboGraph 16 US Version.
In France we always get the japan PC Engine hardwares and games (with french manuals).
Which country get a TurboGraph 16 50Hz Versions ?

GohanX
12-07-2017, 02:43 PM
Just looking at differences between the PAL TG16 and NTSC TG16 - I can see why its a problem. Apparently a tonne of extra resistors and stuff on the under side of the board, 'A' revisions of the CPU and GPU etc, different main clock - sounds like they bastardized the PAL system =/

Yeah, they pretty much just took the US system and did a PAL mod to it. NEC gave up in Europe before they even started but sent stock to distributors anyway.

neosd
12-07-2017, 02:44 PM
I was not aware that some PAL country get a TurboGraph 16 US Version.
In France we always get the japan PC Engine hardwares and games (with french manuals).
Which country get a TurboGraph 16 50Hz Versions ?

Spain for example, you will see mint PAL 50hz turbografx versions for sale at ebay that no one wants.

As far as i know the french boards are not PAL but NTSC machines at all

MobiusStripTech
12-07-2017, 02:46 PM
Was I supposed to post in an interest thread first to ensure I get one from the first batch that I already paid for?

Tgames
12-07-2017, 02:46 PM
Spain for example, you will see mint PAL 50hz turbografx versions for sale at ebay that no one wants.

As far as i know the french boards are not PAL but NTSC machines at all

Yes we get full NTSC machine (the only difference is RGB).
Because in France our TV only support RGB from Scart in 90's.
That's why we get NES with RGB (fake RGB from composite), Super Nintendo RGB, Nintendo 64 With RGB in the motherboard (but without the composants)... etc

Geddon_jt
12-07-2017, 02:46 PM
Really interesting item. Great job and good luck with the sales.

Rot
12-07-2017, 02:47 PM
Was I supposed to post in an interest thread first to ensure I get one from the first batch that I already paid for?

No... sorry... it's first come... first serve for the initial batch man...

Order quick... be ready to call your bank as security for payments will be screened...

xROTx

neosd
12-07-2017, 02:50 PM
Was I supposed to post in an interest thread first to ensure I get one from the first batch that I already paid for?

We still havenīt sold the first batch, but as before we are not going to tell if we sell many or less.
We donīt like such strategies to drive sales.

I understand that people needs to know when its purchase is going to be delivered and we will provide as many information as we have as this info arrives, but we are not going to disclosure numbers.

I hope you guys understand that.

Just be patient, we are going to do our part as fast as we can and the better way we can aswel.

MobiusStripTech
12-07-2017, 02:50 PM
No... sorry... it's first come... first serve for the initial batch man...

Order quick... be ready to call your bank as security for payments will be screened...

xROTx

I was just making a joke about something else that is going on. But I ordered mine earlier today when the orders went live.

Rot
12-07-2017, 02:52 PM
I was just making a joke about something else that is going on. But I ordered mine earlier today when the orders went live.

Didn't I just activate your account a few days ago? You sent me an email...

You got the standard response... "STOP HIDING YOUR IP... MOFO!!!!"...

xROTx

PS. This thing is selling faster than a Crack Hoe in need of a fix...

kuze
12-07-2017, 02:57 PM
This is huge! I'm so glad I kept myself from getting into PCE before now.

What's the best PCE variant (both from a cost vs features) standpoint to use with this?

lachlan
12-07-2017, 02:57 PM
Very nice work Terraonion! I'm sure it'll sell well!

Yodd
12-07-2017, 03:02 PM
This is huge! I'm so glad I kept myself from getting into PCE before now.

What's the best PCE variant (both from a cost vs features) standpoint to use with this?

OG original White PCE.

MobiusStripTech
12-07-2017, 03:04 PM
Didn't I just activate your account a few days ago? You sent me an email...

You got the standard response... "STOP HIDING YOUR IP... MOFO!!!!"...

xROTx

PS. This thing is selling faster than a Crack Hoe in need of a fix...

Yes you did. I don't have any control over my IP address when I am at work. I guess I could only reply when I am at home.

ChopstickSamurai
12-07-2017, 03:33 PM
Wow, this looks freaking amazing. I'll definitely be getting one later in the year.

wingzrow
12-07-2017, 03:45 PM
I'm sold. Is there any specific revision of Turbografx/PC engine that's considered "the best"? the core Grafx console looks the most aesthetic.

Kid Panda
12-07-2017, 03:46 PM
I'm sold. Is there any specific revision of Turbografx/PC engine that's considered "the best"? the core Grafx console looks the most aesthetic.

They are all the same. Just different revisions.

GohanX
12-07-2017, 03:48 PM
You can get a yellowed white PCE the cheapest usually. It's less desirable since it's RF only, but since this has a video out on it that's irrelevant. Coregrafx units switched to composite instead of RF.

wingzrow
12-07-2017, 03:53 PM
They are all the same. Just different revisions.

Guess I better invest in a proper soldering station soon. It seems like I need a new console recaped every month these days.

RAZO
12-07-2017, 03:54 PM
Just saw the GadgetUk Video. Awesome Product NeoSd, Congrats. Now I'm torn on what to do with My Cd hardware. Damn You NEOSD!:)

SirRockALot
12-07-2017, 03:54 PM
The way RGB mods in PCE cores systems are done it shouldn't matter which one you use, just don't use them both at the same time as both the SD System 3 and the RGB amp are probably pulling from the exact same pins.

Good point. The RGB amp is just hooked up to power and the RGB pins on the expansion connector. I'll just desolder them.

GadgetUK
12-07-2017, 03:58 PM
Good point. The RGB amp is just hooked up to power and the RGB pins on the expansion connector. I'll just desolder them.

I've just been asked this question about "What if my system is already RGB modded":-

If the mod was done properly and coupling caps used to feed the RGB and sync signals, then it should work OK in parallel I think.

Looking at the typical OSH park PCB the output of those caps is DC biased but the cap would block that DC, so I suspect it might just work OK in parallel. I am not an expert though, so I could be wrong.

GohanX
12-07-2017, 04:01 PM
Guess I better invest in a proper soldering station soon. It seems like I need a new console recaped every month these days.

Generally speaking PCE standlone systems usually have caps that don't fail all that often. It's the black Duos and Expresses that have cap issues.

If it does need a recap though, it's pretty easy since most of the PCE caps are through hole and there aren't that many of them.

neosd
12-07-2017, 04:06 PM
Generally speaking PCE standlone systems usually have caps that don't fail all that often. It's the black Duos and Expresses that have cap issues.

If it does need a recap though, it's pretty easy since most of the PCE caps are through hole and there aren't that many of them.

i can tell you for sure that there are differences among some pcengines. When the development started we got some pcengines that worked better than others.
Once the firmware development progressed, we made it stronger so you will not notice any difference, but there is one for sure. My guess about this behaviour are the caps.

Another interesting thing to take in mind is that if any of you guys have a SuperGrafx, i would recomend you to open it and look for traces corruption, we had one that had destroyed traces and i saw the same issue from a guy at assembler-games.
This issue only affected to the SuperGrafx side of the hardware (regular pcengine games worked fine but Supergrafx games had glitches), just the same this assembler-games user was experiencing. As supergrafx games are quite rare, maybe most of the owners havenīt noticed this issue at all

We opened the machine and there was a weird kind of factory flux there, my guess is there may be a manufactuing issue on those ...

Worth to open it ...

wingzrow
12-07-2017, 04:08 PM
Generally speaking PCE standlone systems usually have caps that don't fail all that often. It's the black Duos and Expresses that have cap issues.

If it does need a recap though, it's pretty easy since most of the PCE caps are through hole and there aren't that many of them.

I see a LOT of different types of controllers on eBay. What's my best option? Are pc engine & turbografx controllers all swapable between models?

neosd
12-07-2017, 04:10 PM
I see a LOT of different types of controllers on eBay. What's my best option? Are pc engine & turbografx controllers all swapable between models?

The conectors are different, pcengine uses mini-din type connector while turbografx uses din type

aha2940
12-07-2017, 04:13 PM
It looks like a very nice product, congratulations to neosd & co. for this, hopefully it will sell very well.

thomasmahler
12-07-2017, 04:19 PM
Ordered! :)

neosd
12-07-2017, 04:22 PM
It looks like a very nice product, congratulations to neosd & co. for this, hopefully it will sell very well.

thanks

[OCEAN]
12-07-2017, 04:37 PM
Really interesting project, congrats on designing this. My CD-Rom2 died a while ago, so I'll definitely be picking this up!

legolas119
12-07-2017, 04:43 PM
really good job! I will buy it!
So, i only need to buy a Pc Engine, that it isn't so expensive, fortunately!
I have 3 questions for NeoSD member:

1) I have to buy the console: do you suggest a specific model? Pc Engine, Core Grafx, Core grafx 2, Turbo Grafx 16...ecc.. or Are all the model equivalent?Can I buy the cheapest one and the games will work in the same way when i run them with Super System 3?
2) the RGB cable and the microSD aren't included in the box, am I right?
3) the cd games could have different format: bin+cue, iso+cue, wav files + cue and so on. Are all the format supported?
4) a lot of Pc Engine on ebay are RGB modded: do you think that the modded console with the RGB output could not work with Super System 3?

thank you!

greedostick
12-07-2017, 04:43 PM
I see a LOT of different types of controllers on eBay. What's my best option? Are pc engine & turbografx controllers all swapable between models?

God I hope this is still available after I get off work...

The best controller is the Hori Fighting Commander in my opinion. Some people swear by the avenue pad 6, but I don't think they ever used a fighting commander. The dpad feels like a snes dpad, and the buttons feel like the convex snes AB buttons..

turdkind
12-07-2017, 04:44 PM
A nice product that costs less than the typical used, recapped, RGB-modded Duo. Ordered :)

Anybody want a new, unused EverDrive? :P

Rot
12-07-2017, 04:50 PM
https://i.imgur.com/dVSgnl8.png?1

https://i.imgur.com/xE5qEGd.png?1

Let's get this straight... you have a NG flashcard... but feel using a PCE flashcard is "cheating"...

WELL... Here's the deal... this aint PCEFx where it's a pussy type mod'ding situ... I'll happily neuter you for a fuckin' laugh...

MobiusStripTech
12-07-2017, 05:07 PM
I've just been asked this question about "What if my system is already RGB modded":-

If the mod was done properly and coupling caps used to feed the RGB and sync signals, then it should work OK in parallel I think.

Looking at the typical OSH park PCB the output of those caps is DC biased but the cap would block that DC, so I suspect it might just work OK in parallel. I am not an expert though, so I could be wrong.

Yeah you should be fine. I wouldn't recommend using the designs off OSHPark anyway, most of them are wrong attenuation.

greedostick
12-07-2017, 05:07 PM
Errr... Keep getting merchant error. Is that neosd side or my bank side? Tried 3 accounts now

Rot
12-07-2017, 05:11 PM
Errr... Keep getting merchant error. Is that neosd side or my bank side? Tried 3 accounts now

Usually it's your bank Greedo...

It seems international payments to a Spanish bank is flagged quite high for security...

You just need to ring your bank and ask them to walk you past the security... lot of our memberbase had issues with this and it's usually your banks security setup...

Wasabi could give you a whole chapter and verse about it:D

xROTx

snes_collector
12-07-2017, 05:24 PM
Very nice work. CD game support is amazing. I never bothered to rgb mod my Duo so I may have to grab one of these so I can hook up TG-16 up to the PVM.

Rot
12-07-2017, 05:26 PM
Hi guys... from 11.26 GMT....

Neosd asked me to tell you this:

08-12-2017 - 00:20 IMPORTANT - PAYMENT SYSTEM ISSUE

Hi guys, it seems we passed the per daily sales limit our payment system allows.
We see every incoming transaction blocked now, its 00:20 here today and tomorrow is National party in Spain, i will call some friends that work at our bank tomorrow to try to get the limited removed so if you canīt purchase, just try in some hours please.

Sorry about the inconvenience

Please try again tomorrow lads...

xROTx

greedostick
12-07-2017, 05:48 PM
I don't understand why neoSD's bank doesn't want him to be successful.

Has anyone mentioned anything about GamesXpress Huey support?

haightc
12-07-2017, 06:27 PM
This is awesome, I have two Super CDROMs already, but both need recap. Normally I am okay with recap, but SCD2 are a PIA. I would venture more so than the DUO. I tried to buy one today, but I just got an error after entering CC info. I tried again, but then I got an error that the order was a duplicate. I guess I'll wait a little bit and see if it sorts itself out or I should try again!

neosd
12-07-2017, 06:29 PM
This is awesome, I have two Super CDROMs already, but both need recap. Normally I am okay with recap, but SCD2 are a PIA. I would venture more so than the DUO. I tried to buy one today, but I just got an error after entering CC info. I tried again, but then I got an error that the order was a duplicate. I guess I'll wait a little bit and see if it sorts itself out or I should try again!

Payment system is fucked, we passed our daily sales limit, please try again tomorrow (we are trying to get it rised in 8 hours when we wake up, if we canīt everyone will have to wait 24 hours since now)

Really sorry about that

BTW, time to sleep 1:32 here

heihachi
12-07-2017, 06:33 PM
Looks awesome. Definitely gonna get an order in....as soon as neosd's bank is able to accept money.

MobiusStripTech
12-07-2017, 07:13 PM
Any chance of adding a built in cheat system in the future? We've been able to patch HuCard roms for a while to add cheats, but doing it with CD games would be cool.

Syn
12-07-2017, 07:29 PM
Any chance of adding a built in cheat system in the future? We've been able to patch HuCard roms for a while to add cheats, but doing it with CD games would be cool.

Once the right people have it in their hands, anything is possible. NeoSD has created a masterpiece. Once people are done salivating, the lets see if I try this phase will begin.

Really exciting time to be a gamer!

supergoose
12-07-2017, 07:51 PM
Awesome. This is exactly what I was hoping for and now I'm glad that I never got around to RGB modding my PCE as well as buying the Everdrive.

supergoose
12-07-2017, 07:54 PM
.

-SD-
12-07-2017, 07:57 PM
Looks great, considering getting hold of a Core Grafx system now.

So, would it be possible for a similar device for the Megadrive, with the FPGA handling the Mega CD's 68k and Ricoh chips? And a shell that looks very much like the unreleased Mega FDD....

eek
12-07-2017, 08:02 PM
Echoing what everyone said, this is great.

I'm glad I never got rid of my Core Grax 2.

ysselcneogeo
12-07-2017, 08:02 PM
Pretty damn awesome. Only other thing I wish it did was svideo too but other than that this thing is perfect.

RAZO
12-07-2017, 08:04 PM
Looks great, considering getting hold of a Core Grafx system now.

So, would it be possible for a similar device for the Megadrive, with the FPGA handling the Mega CD's 68k and Ricoh chips? And a shell that looks very much like the unreleased Mega FDD....

Yea, Same here. Sold my PCE and Core Grafx systems years back thinking I would never need them again. Now I have to hunt one down. Good thing Is they don't have to be modded.

Sorry for being off topic but I was thinking the same thing in regards to the MD. Maybe something that connects to the expansion port on the side of the Megadrive and acts as a Sega Cd.

MobiusStripTech
12-07-2017, 08:30 PM
Awesome. This is exactly what I was hoping for and now I'm glad that I never got around to RGB modding my PCE as well as buying the Everdrive.

Anyway, what colour will the case be?
It's supposed to be translucent black.

gameofyou
12-07-2017, 08:32 PM
Not wanting to get anyone out of the market at all, we just want to build things we would love to own and use. Obviously the easy things are already done and we are working on the hard ones

I am really, really hoping that you are also Sega Saturn fans! Anyway, great job on the PC Engine SD system. Looks awesome. I will definately pick one up.

wyo
12-07-2017, 08:59 PM
Yea, Same here. Sold my PCE and Core Grafx systems years back thinking I would never need them again. Now I have to hunt one down. Good thing Is they don't have to be modded.

Sorry for being off topic but I was thinking the same thing in regards to the MD. Maybe something that connects to the expansion port on the side of the Megadrive and acts as a Sega Cd.

I'm not sure if a Sega CD replacement would be commercially viable. The CD2 is pretty reliable and there are maybe 10 good games for the system.

Xian Xi
12-07-2017, 09:01 PM
Very nice.

RAZO
12-07-2017, 09:19 PM
I'm not sure if a Sega CD replacement would be commercially viable. The CD2 is pretty reliable and there are maybe 10 good games for the system.

Yea, I guess your right. I have perfectly working X'Eye and CDX consoles that never gave me any issues and also have perfectly working PCE Duo's. I don't like the CD2. I just think that any device that could run CD files off a SD card is a major plus just because the less moving parts, the less likely you have to worry about replacing parts in the future.

zaneiken
12-07-2017, 09:24 PM
Holy shit, this is awesome! My entire PCE collection is obsolete...

wyo
12-07-2017, 09:37 PM
Yea, I guess your right. I have perfectly working X'Eye and CDX consoles that never gave me any issues and also have perfectly working PCE Duo's. I don't like the CD2. I just think that any device that could run CD files off a SD card is a major plus just because the less moving parts, the less likely you have to worry about replacing parts in the future.

Hey, I'm all for it man but NeoSD Team need to make a profit ;)

lions3
12-07-2017, 09:59 PM
just here to say holy crap! WANT!

Hopefully you guys will make another batch in January or Feb... when i'm cash positive again. Great work!

On a completely unrealistic design note, too bad you couldn't have make the pcb/case look like a mini PCE briefcase. Just saying.. :loco:

47752

Fox1
12-07-2017, 10:43 PM
Yea, I guess your right. I have perfectly working X'Eye and CDX consoles that never gave me any issues and also have perfectly working PCE Duo's. I don't like the CD2. I just think that any device that could run CD files off a SD card is a major plus just because the less moving parts, the less likely you have to worry about replacing parts in the future.

I also think the other problem is the CD drives for the PC Engine don't really have anything except more memory, cd sound support and maybe something else in it. (open up a suitcase pc engine, basically nothing in that thing) while the Sega CD has a bunch of processors/scaling processors, memory, etc in it.

ObeyMyEgo
12-07-2017, 11:10 PM
Never mind found the answer I wanted.

So this emulates the system cards as well as iso ROMs for CD based games and ROMs for hucards?

So is this 100% emulation thru the new PCB or are the hucard games still ran via the PC engine/turbo?

Sorry to ask. I don't understand this hardware shit at all.

Syn
12-07-2017, 11:36 PM
I believe the OP says they're waiting on shells for TG16.

Edit the original post mentions about 2 weeks, right out in the open, easy to read :keke:

ObeyMyEgo
12-07-2017, 11:53 PM
I believe the OP says they're waiting on shells for TG16.

Edit the original post mentions about 2 weeks, right out in the open, easy to read :keke:


Yes saw the first post. Like a dumb ass I didn't read the post date. Really hoping it fits. Don't want to have to buy a pc engine.

Syn
12-08-2017, 12:05 AM
It'll fit and work when orders go live.

When NeoSD wakes up he'll answer your questions, he's good about that.

lachlan
12-08-2017, 01:24 AM
I come back 8 hours later and the thread has exploded, the bank has crashed and everyone's going nuts! Hell yeah.

Kid Panda
12-08-2017, 01:25 AM
I come back 8 hours later and the thread has exploded, the bank has crashed and everyone's going nuts! Hell yeah.

Someone must be on Smoko.

greatfunky
12-08-2017, 02:49 AM
Just ordered , payment system is going back ....

now , i just have to find a decent pc engine on ebay ....not the biggest part

Rot
12-08-2017, 02:54 AM
I approve of this thread...

Great product, a customer friendly and informative team...

Now if only their bank would allow mass nerd buys:keke:

xROTx

PS. On topic... IF you guys had analysed the chat room members market activity... you would've seen this coming a MILE off:p

EDIT. Luckily the cores are still relatively cheap for now... only issue is with pcb corrosion and stuff.. Neosd mentioned in chat...

I aint a techie... but hey... I'm only here for the lulz and +1...

joala
12-08-2017, 02:58 AM
Finally got round to watching the videos - fuck me, I want.

Excellent stuff NeoSD!

Anyone want to buy a Turbo Everdrive? :keke:

neosd
12-08-2017, 03:18 AM
Any chance of adding a built in cheat system in the future? We've been able to patch HuCard roms for a while to add cheats, but doing it with CD games would be cool.

What you can see on gadgets video is the launch firmware but we have other things planed to be added by software after launch.

I wont sell anything we donīt have until we have it, but we got something pretty nice planned before cheats.

The route plan is the same as NEOSD, you guys get it, ask for changes and improvements and we do as many as possible as long as those are worth doing.

You all know from the last time that we listen and do any needed firmware changes to have everyone happy.

DirkSwizzler
12-08-2017, 03:43 AM
Just ordered , payment system is going back

Still not working for me. Did you do anything differently than a prior attempt?

neosd
12-08-2017, 03:46 AM
Still not working for me. Did you do anything differently than a prior attempt?

I think the limit is being applied just to USA.

Working on getting that fixed but i think it may be hard to get it fixed by today as banks are closed here.

It should be working after about 16 hours BTW cause this is when the 24 hours limit expires.

Realy sorry about that, we were not expecting this amount of sales, neither we realized it was a bad idea to launch a product a day before national party day.

DirkSwizzler
12-08-2017, 03:59 AM
I think the limit is being applied just to USA.

Working on getting that fixed but i think it may be hard to get it fixed by today as banks are closed here.

It should be working after about 16 hours BTW cause this is when the 24 hours limit expires.

Understandable. Hopefully the wait won’t be many months if I miss this batch.

xterc
12-08-2017, 04:05 AM
Thank you to the NEOSD team, this looks to be a great project to work on. Like many others I can't order at the moment due to the USA limit, but I guess that is a good problem for you guys to have.

MattBlah
12-08-2017, 04:07 AM
Looks like a great product, Neosd. I just need to decide if I want to buy a PC Engine, or not.

Anyway, good luck with the release, although I'm sure you won't need it.

neosd
12-08-2017, 04:09 AM
Thank you to the NEOSD team, this looks to be a great project to work on. Like many others I can't order at the moment due to the USA limit, but I guess that is a good problem for you guys to have.

I have called a friend that has another friend working on the credit card payment side of BBVA, just to see if we can get the limit removed by phone today.

Doing my best, i got another friend that is manager there but he is not answering the phone. Its a pretty bad day today to get in touch with people cause this is the biggest block of national party days in Spain, we should have released it by monday but we didnīt honestly expect this level of sales.

Well, another mistake learnt for the next product release

DirkSwizzler
12-08-2017, 04:14 AM
Probably just wishful thinking on my part. But would it be possible to ship based on the order of first failed attempts? Assuming the unit was eventually paid for.

Usually there’s a database somewhere to gather data from when my work has unexpected problems like this.

neosd
12-08-2017, 04:19 AM
Probably just wishful thinking on my part. But would it be possible to ship based on the order of first failed attempts? Assuming the unit was eventually paid for.

Usually there’s a database somewhere to gather data from when my work has unexpected problems like this.

This is really hard to handle, i can only see the purchase atempts at the payment system, it only shows an IP and a date, nothing else.

That would be a pain mixed with the shipments

neodev
12-08-2017, 04:26 AM
Just a few clarifications on the hardware:

- you don't need a new power supply, we have tested with the 650mA psu of pcengines and it works fine.
- you don't need a hucard. Everything is emulated in the sd system 3: hucards, system cards, arcade card... . You can however use your own hucards and that part will be disabled on the sd system 3, so you can still benefit, for example, from the backup ram or use your own system card to boot cds. Some limitations apply though, so it's recommened to use the internal emulation and run without a hucard.
- csync is TTL but can be easily feed to a 75ohm sync inserting a 470ohm resistor in the cart. The sd system 3 has access to the original pce csync, that is 75ohm sync levels, but it's not selected, currently a TTL csync is generated from the h & v sync signals.

DirkSwizzler
12-08-2017, 04:47 AM
Out of curiosity. Why is the av out on the back? The system combo is ridiculously deep and already hard to fit on anything but the deepest of shelves. Seems like having a cord stick out exacerbates the depth issue.

neosd
12-08-2017, 04:48 AM
Out of curiosity. Why is the av out on the back? The system combo is ridiculously deep and already hard to fit on anything but the deepest of shelves. Seems like having a cord stick out exacerbates the depth issue.

Sorry, i donīt quite understand the question,

Do you mean the Mini-din conector ? this is used to output rgb and composite video

Rot
12-08-2017, 04:50 AM
Sorry, i donīt quite understand the question,

Do you mean the Mini-din conector ? this is used to output rgb and composite video

He's asking why did you place the output on the back of the device because his shelves are narrow...:help:

This smacks of the "Why did you place the SD card reader on the wrong side" talk...

Ugh...

xROTx

neosd
12-08-2017, 04:51 AM
He's asking why did you place the output on the back of the device because his shelves are narrow...:help:

This smacks of the "Why did you place the SD card reader on the wrong side" talk...

Ugh...

xROTx

The original AV Booster had the video and audio RCAS on the same place, so we thought this was the natural place to put it, among this is the best place for mould design aswel.

DirkSwizzler
12-08-2017, 04:56 AM
He's asking why did you place the output on the back of the device because his shelves are narrow...:help:

This smacks of the "Why did you place the SD card reader on the wrong side" talk...

Ugh...

xROTx

Sure, it’s opinion, but I wouldn’t call my shelves narrow. A supergrafx and a super cd is super deep compared to any other console. And at the same time it’s not very wide. Which is presumably why they put all the connections on the sides.

SNK_Pro
12-08-2017, 04:58 AM
What an awesome piece of kit, order placed. Along with my Neo SD I'm now completely covered on the two best systems ever made, brilliant work.

gray117
12-08-2017, 04:59 AM
turn it sideways? :P ...

... Bloody impressive work. Going to have to see about getting one of these.

lachlan
12-08-2017, 04:59 AM
Sure, it’s opinion, but I wouldn’t call my shelves narrow. A supergrafx and a super cd is super deep compared to any other console. And at the same time it’s not very wide. Which is presumably why they put all the connections on the sides.

Put it on a table then? fuckin hell.

Rot
12-08-2017, 05:09 AM
Sure, it’s opinion, but I wouldn’t call my shelves narrow. A supergrafx and a super cd is super deep compared to any other console. And at the same time it’s not very wide. Which is presumably why they put all the connections on the sides.

Want just a nice piece advice?

Just enjoy the site man... the product is how it is...

Don't take everything to heart... and occasionally wear a tin hat when posting on the forum...

I'm only giving giving you this advice because of the inundation of new members who are trying to join and the lurker accounts this thread is bringing out...

There's a way to play on NG.com...

xROTx

PS. NONE of the mods really advertise the fact that they are mods... and one or two of them are the irritable type...:eye::eye:

FikNaldo
12-08-2017, 05:15 AM
Didn't see it asked anywhere else yet, and I don't particularly care about other's opinions about if it should have been implemented or not, but why no HDMI output?

neosd
12-08-2017, 05:19 AM
Didn't see it asked anywhere else yet, and I don't particularly care about other's opinions about if it should have been implemented or not, but why no HDMI output?

This would have increased the development costs, manufacturing and the final price aswel.

On the other hand people interested on upscalers are just using framemeisters and oss, so we thought it would be better to have a pure rgb output so everyone can use theyr favourite upscaler ratter than force everyone to purchase a included one.

Rot
12-08-2017, 05:20 AM
This would have increased the development costs, manufacturing and the final price aswel.

On the other hand people interested on upscalers are just using framemeisters and oss, so we thought it would be better to have a pure rgb output so everyone can use theyr favourite upscaler ratter than force everyone to purchase a included one.

GOOD ANSWER!

So many cool n00bs posting...

xROTx

PS. OK OK... n00bs... I admit it... all you guys registering in the past few months (or past 5 years)... it has been me that activated your account...

So yes... I will admit I am a mod... just to clarify to some of you guys wondering if they should start shouting at me for spammin'... or trollin'...

DirkSwizzler
12-08-2017, 05:55 AM
So many cool n00bs posting...

Is there a different forum where Terraonion is discussing their product? I didn’t see anything on assemblergames. But Schmups has a small thread about it https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=61381&sid=547a340f0da413b82b7b234a664d6b21

Maybe n00bs should be directed there? It really isn’t a Neo Geo product anyway.

Rot
12-08-2017, 06:02 AM
Is there a different forum where Terraonion is discussing their product? I didn’t see anything on assemblergames. But Schmups has a small thread about it https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=61381&sid=547a340f0da413b82b7b234a664d6b21

We have members who have multiple accounts across a range of forums... They will post info about stuff where they wish too..


Maybe n00bs should be directed there? It really isn’t a Neo Geo product anyway.

Neosd uses this forum as his main base so far...

You are correct it is not a NG product... but after his release of the original product the Terraonion team play here mainly...

They do not have their own dedicated forum... just their sales and faq page...

I am looking to gather opinion about giving the Terraonion team a permanent place on Ng.com with their own dedicated forum... you may post opinions in this thread:

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?273294-Terraonion-Dedicated-forum-on-NG-com-Opinions-please&goto=newpost

xROTx

nam9
12-08-2017, 06:27 AM
...any pictures of the final product? All I've seen are renders...

Otherwise very exciting!

Gyrian
12-08-2017, 06:28 AM
I am way late to this party, but will be all in once the bank stops hating our corner of the world.

Just wanted to offer a quick round of congratulations to the Neo SD team. You guys have somehow really outdone yourselves. This is a really special, fantastic piece of work. Can't wait to try this, and I can only imagine what's next now that you've developed this expertise.

neosd
12-08-2017, 06:51 AM
...any pictures of the final product? All I've seen are renders...

Otherwise very exciting!

Next week we hope, we got pictures and videos of the shells but those are pre production units on solid black ABS plastic and the mold was not polished. Final shells are going to be transparent black smoke efect.


This may confuse people

BTW we showed those on chat some weeks ago so a lot of people already saw those.

Remember : nice things happen on chat

mistahsnart
12-08-2017, 07:03 AM
Popped over from GadgetUK's video to give a huge thanks to the Terraonion team! Another excellent piece of kit. I'm going to start a 'NeoSD Team' savings account in January so I can just automatically pick up whatever you're releasing on the holidays of that year. :glee:

FikNaldo
12-08-2017, 07:24 AM
This would have increased the development costs, manufacturing and the final price aswel.

On the other hand people interested on upscalers are just using framemeisters and oss, so we thought it would be better to have a pure rgb output so everyone can use theyr favourite upscaler ratter than force everyone to purchase a included one.

Ok - fair comment, it's your product and you can make whatever design decision you like.

I'd have preferred HDMI out - but that's just me - as I inferred, everyone will have their own needs / desires and if mine isn't fulfilled then that's just my bad luck.

GohanX
12-08-2017, 07:27 AM
HDMI out is great, but a proper implementation would have jacked the price up beyond what I'd be willing to pay.

greatfunky
12-08-2017, 07:30 AM
Ok - fair comment, it's your product and you can make whatever design decision you like.

I'd have preferred HDMI out - but that's just me - as I inferred, everyone will have their own needs / desires and if mine isn't fulfilled then that's just my bad luck.

CRT users like me are very happy :D

jsiucho
12-08-2017, 08:05 AM
Wished this news came before BF, bought another tgfx everdrive. Ill still get one, great job.

X68
12-08-2017, 08:10 AM
Thanks to neosd for this, like the release style again - BAM ;)
Does the AV cable require any components to be installed or does it need to be completely passive?
Following deunan & his pce ode development he mentions about how cue/bin & iso images are unsatisfactory - what are your opinions on this & have you encountered any issues so far in testing?

legolas119
12-08-2017, 08:10 AM
thank you guys! I will buy it!

I have 3 questions for NeoSD member:

1) I have to buy the PC ENGINE: do you suggest a specific model? Pc Engine, Core Grafx, Core grafx 2, Turbo Grafx 16...ecc.. or Are all the model equivalent?Can I buy the cheapest one and the games will work in the same way when i run them with Super System 3?
2) the RGB cable and the microSD aren't included in the box, am I right?
3) the cd games could have different format: bin+cue, iso+cue, wav files + cue and so on. Are all the format supported?
4) a lot of Pc Engine on ebay are RGB modded: do you think that the modded console with the RGB output could not work with Super System 3?

thank you!

neodev
12-08-2017, 08:23 AM
thank you guys! I will buy it!

I have 3 questions for NeoSD member:

1) I have to buy the PC ENGINE: do you suggest a specific model? Pc Engine, Core Grafx, Core grafx 2, Turbo Grafx 16...ecc.. or Are all the model equivalent?Can I buy the cheapest one and the games will work in the same way when i run them with Super System 3?
2) the RGB cable and the microSD aren't included in the box, am I right?
3) the cd games could have different format: bin+cue, iso+cue, wav files + cue and so on. Are all the format supported?
4) a lot of Pc Engine on ebay are RGB modded: do you think that the modded console with the RGB output could not work with Super System 3?

thank you!

I can answer a few:

The cart currently supports cue+iso and cue+bin, but adding cue+wav is easy. cue+mp3 and similar formats with compressed audio won't be supported.

I think a rgb modded console will work. You can also continue using your modded rgb output if you wish, but the audio must be taken from the sd system 3 connector, otherwise you'll miss the cdda + adpcm sound that is generated by the cdrom block

neosd
12-08-2017, 08:24 AM
Thanks to neosd for this, like the release style again - BAM ;)
Does the AV cable require any components to be installed or does it need to be completely passive?

Totally pasive, the rgb amplifier is on the super sd system 3 pcb

Following deunan & his pce ode development he mentions about how cue/bin & iso images are unsatisfactory - what are your opinions on this & have you encountered any issues so far in testing?

I would let neodev to give you a deeper answer but all the issues we had while developing it were related to timmings ratter than other things.
I am a big fan of redump.org so those were the sets we primary images we used. We also used images from a lot of different places such as emuparadise and so, everything we tried worked fine. As long as you got a cue and audio is not compressed in mp3 and so, you will be fine.

We spent months while getting every single game working on all different boards, so maybe Deunan just wanted to say he had timming issues at all

BTW Deunan is a top guy, we worked with him in the past on some naomi things. Pretty good coder and a better person aswel.

Alex,

Also i would like to explain that we saw Deunan development after we were already working on ours.

I have to say that we felt happy to see our aproach were really different than his. As far as i know he was working on just emulate the cdrom drive itself while using the ADPCM hardware included on the suitcase, while our aproach was to emulate the entire hardware plus arcade card and hucards.

neodev
12-08-2017, 08:30 AM
I would let neodev to give you a deeper answer but all the issues we had while developing it were related to timmings ratter than other things.
I am a big fan of redump.org so those were the sets we primally used, even we used images from a lot of places such as emuparadise and so, everything we tried worked fine. As long as you got a cue, you will be fine

We spent months while getting every single game working on all different boards, so maybe Deunan just wanted to say he had timming issues at all

BT Deunan is a top guy, we worked with him in the past on some naomi things. Pretty good coder and a better person aswel.

Alex,

Yes, the main issue we had was with the access timmings.

.cue files can be tricky to parse sometimes, as there are different variations, but we think we got all the current existing dumps covered, so far we aren't aware of any dumped game that fails to parse the .cue file (there were issues in the past).

MobiusStripTech
12-08-2017, 08:31 AM
What you can see on gadgets video is the launch firmware but we have other things planed to be added by software after launch.

I wont sell anything we donīt have until we have it, but we got something pretty nice planned before cheats.

The route plan is the same as NEOSD, you guys get it, ask for changes and improvements and we do as many as possible as long as those are worth doing.

You all know from the last time that we listen and do any needed firmware changes to have everyone happy.

I totally understand and appreciate not selling features that don't exist. I was just hoping to present it as an idea for a future firmware update. Definitely looking forward to this product.

neosd
12-08-2017, 08:36 AM
I totally understand and appreciate not selling features that don't exist. I was just hoping to present it as an idea for a future firmware update. Definitely looking forward to this product.

Yes, any idea is welcome, we really apreciate those.

About the questions :

I am updating the seccond post on the first page with relevant questions, have a look before asking please. This will save new users to read 100 pages


Thanks

MobiusStripTech
12-08-2017, 08:39 AM
I have seen so many people complaining about the lack of component video output. Just a note, buy HDRetrovision cables and plug them in. There is your component. Offering RGB is the simplest way to handle the analog output.

For the people bitching about no HDMI output, go buy the UperGrafx. Enjoy your $500-600US 720p HDMI with no HuCard support or Arcade Card support.

fille1976
12-08-2017, 09:05 AM
Just ordered mine,me happy.

TeamShake
12-08-2017, 09:41 AM
Not sure if the art in the 1st post is final art for the box, but just a note that you have a picture of the 8 pin MD1 din connector and not a 9 pin MD2 mini din connector. You may want to correct that if you can so it doesn't confuse people.

edit:
never mind, i see someone brought this up already

wingzrow
12-08-2017, 10:14 AM
I feel like the next step would be an ODE for the Neo Geo CD to cut down load times.

RAZO
12-08-2017, 10:16 AM
I feel like the next step would be an ODE for the Neo Geo CD to cut down load times.

No one cares about the Neo Geo CD lol. Who Needs a ODE for the Neo Geo Cd when you already have the NeoSD.

GohanX
12-08-2017, 10:26 AM
I'd love it, but me and Turf would probably be the only ones who bought it.

haightc
12-08-2017, 10:26 AM
Didn't see it asked anywhere else yet, and I don't particularly care about other's opinions about if it should have been implemented or not, but why no HDMI output?

also the two other ODEs have digital out, but they cost twice as much. Plus based on reviews on on PCE forums both actually have issues with digital rendering the PCE perfectly. Getting a OSSC and one of these would be better than the UperGrafx and the other one. For people like myself, digital only is a real turn off. Plus as NeoSD mention in previous posts they would get really hosed with the tremendous licensing fees associated with HDMI.

Yodd
12-08-2017, 10:31 AM
No one cares about the Neo Geo CD lol. Who Needs a ODE for the Neo Geo Cd when you already have the NeoSD.

Furrtek has been working on a NGCD ODE for a while now.

NeoTurfMasta
12-08-2017, 10:40 AM
I'd love it, but me and Turf would probably be the only ones who bought it.

I'd love to have a NeoCD ODE, but honestly it would be more trouble than its worth at this point. The CD systems can be finicky and installing an ODE would be a PITA. I would just prefer to have some way to rig NeoCD roms to work on the NeoSD cart.

GohanX
12-08-2017, 10:41 AM
Furrtek has been working on a NGCD ODE for a while now.

Fuck dat nigga

SirRockALot
12-08-2017, 10:46 AM
If there was a way to get digital video/audio directly from the PCE, then an HDMI out would've made sense. Bundling a mini-OSSC/Framemeister into this device would be a waste of money for most people. It only really makes sense if this is the only old console you want to hook up to your HDMI-only modern TV.

RAZO
12-08-2017, 11:06 AM
Out of curiosity. Why is the av out on the back? The system combo is ridiculously deep and already hard to fit on anything but the deepest of shelves. Seems like having a cord stick out exacerbates the depth issue.

The Pc Engine, Core Grafx, and Core Grafx 2 are very small consoles. Combined with the Super Sd it's still not that big, probably the size of the Sega Saturn in length. So I don't understand what the issue is with the AV Out being in the back. I understand not everyone has the same setup and some prefer the sides. I personally don't like how my original Duo has the AV Out on the Side and not the back instead like most consoles do but It's not big deal, I learn to live with it. Some of these questions make my head hurt.

aoiddr
12-08-2017, 11:21 AM
.cue files can be tricky to parse sometimes, as there are different variations, but we think we got all the current existing dumps covered, so far we aren't aware of any dumped game that fails to parse the .cue file (there were issues in the past).

So any of the dumps floating out there using that use .ape files for the audio tracks would be playable, correct?



I would just prefer to have some way to rig NeoCD roms to work on the NeoSD cart.

If the game was small enough to fit in the memory, I assume it could be possible...? The main problem is the size of CD audio tracks?

neodev
12-08-2017, 11:39 AM
So any of the dumps floating out there using that use .ape files for the audio tracks would be playable, correct?




If the game was small enough to fit in the memory, I assume it could be possible...? The main problem is the size of CD audio tracks?

No, .ape is a compressed audio format. Only uncompressed audio (bin or wav) will be supported.

funkychimp
12-08-2017, 11:40 AM
Hi,

Is anyone else having Credit Card issues. I'm trying to buy from the UK and get this error?

47755]

Sorry if this is the wrong place to post.

Regards

funkychimp

neosd
12-08-2017, 11:47 AM
Hi,

Is anyone else having Credit Card issues. I'm trying to buy form the UK and get this error?


Sorry if this is the wrong place to post.

Regards

funkychimp

Hello,

Yes we are having issues caused by passing the daily sales limit BBVA has setup on the payment system.
I just checked your transaction number and its giving an error 9282, that means :

Operación detenida por superar el control de restricciones en la entrada al SIS. Es decir la operación está superando alguna de las restricciones para el control de fraude que el comercio tiene aplicadas.

Basically it says that its been blocked by passing some of the restrictions of the anti fraud system we have set (our bank just setup those)

We have contacted our bank and we are waiting for an answer, i donīt expect one until monday but you can try to buy again tomorrow cause if i am right, our daily sales limit will be reset tomorrow.

Sorry for the inconvenience

funkychimp
12-08-2017, 11:52 AM
Thank you for the quick response :)

neosd
12-08-2017, 11:56 AM
Thank you for the quick response :)

You are welcome,

BTW this could also be caused by you using a proxy or a vpn to purchase, or even trying to purchase with a credit card from outside of the country where it has been issued.

We just got a generic error, nothing else

haightc
12-08-2017, 12:17 PM
Furrtek has been working on a NGCD ODE for a while now.

I based on what I looked at on Furrtek's twitter and website, it's still very much a WIP. My french isn't super great, but it looks like it's getting there though. I didn't see any reference to a purchase link. Unless you are talking about the upload cable, which from what I understand can only run small programs and homebrew. There is actually way more for me on the NeoGeo CD than AES. I don't really care for fighting games, so what I would want to play would be on MVS cartridges (puzzle bobble, aerofighters, alpha mission and metal slug). I can play all these plus exclusive title to the CD system, taking away the load times would remove the major pain point in the system.

dl1955
12-08-2017, 12:27 PM
You are welcome,

BTW this could also be caused by you using a proxy or a vpn to purchase, or even trying to purchase with a credit card from outside of the country where it has been issued.

We just got a generic error, nothing else

I was getting same exact error as well. I'm from the US. I will try again after midnight tonight and cross my fingers. :)

Excited for this awesome Super CD.

sr20det510
12-08-2017, 12:44 PM
NEOSD, What about bank transfer, instead of credit card, will that work?

neosd
12-08-2017, 12:46 PM
NEOSD, What about bank transfer, instead of credit card, will that work?

Yes, but this may have extra fees on your side.

I would just wait until tonite and try again

BenG76
12-08-2017, 01:28 PM
Can you not use PayPal? Would make it easier for some of us to order.

Rot
12-08-2017, 01:30 PM
Can you not use PayPal? Would make it easier for some of us to order.

Neosd has said no to paypal in the other projects thread...

I consider the paypal matter closed until Neosd says otherwise...

xROTx

BenG76
12-08-2017, 01:33 PM
Neosd has said no to paypal in the other projects thread...

I consider the paypal matter closed until Neosd says otherwise...

xROTx

OK, cool. I was just curious. I realize it has caused issues for some people. Thanks for the reply.

donluca
12-08-2017, 01:51 PM
EDIT: nevermind.

nornor1
12-08-2017, 02:11 PM
Damn, TerraOnion Never Stop Stopping! You guys rock. I will be getting one of these soon.

LDigital
12-08-2017, 02:25 PM
This is an amazing project. I Can’t wait to receive this.
About Sega Cd being a possible project, I think the retro community is strong and many many people would be interested in buying a ode replacement. Discs are rotting and mechanical drives and lasers won’t last forever. With the new super system release it will be pretty much the only system left that won’t have a solution that can beat Father Time

SirRockALot
12-08-2017, 02:29 PM
Hey neosd, GadgetUK mentions a companion application in his video that can be used to setup the preview screenshots and genre tags etc. Any more details on that? Still Windows-only? ;-)

neosd
12-08-2017, 02:43 PM
Hey neosd, GadgetUK mentions a companion application in his video that can be used to setup the preview screenshots and genre tags etc. Any more details on that? Still Windows-only? ;-)

i was amazed no one asked about that before :)

Yes, we got a new neobuilder coming, this time it will not require 1.000 frameworks to get it working, or this is what i been told ;)

This tool will build a bin file with a database for the games. It wil contain genre, screenshots and other fields

It will come with preloaded screenshots and it will allow to add your own screenshots to the database aswel


So once you generate this database you only have to put it on the root of the microsd

MobiusStripTech
12-08-2017, 03:30 PM
If there was a way to get digital video/audio directly from the PCE, then an HDMI out would've made sense. Bundling a mini-OSSC/Framemeister into this device would be a waste of money for most people. It only really makes sense if this is the only old console you want to hook up to your HDMI-only modern TV.

You actually can get the digital signals from the PCE. They are output on the expansion connector.
However there is considerably more that goes into creating a HDMI signal then just having digital signals.

neosd
12-08-2017, 04:06 PM
Payment system to USA seems back to life,

Get yours while the daily limit is not reached again

Rot
12-08-2017, 04:09 PM
I am ordering 200...

/Kills Neosd's bank...

xROTx

PS. FU... 'MURIKAH!!!!!!:D

neosd
12-08-2017, 04:14 PM
i see two transactions from usa working now and two not working but those not working are issues on the customer side, one is caused by a bad auth and the other one is an unknown error

It seems working so far

DirkSwizzler
12-08-2017, 04:27 PM
i see two transactions from usa working now and two not working but those not working are issues on the customer side, one is caused by a bad auth and the other one is an unknown error

It seems working so far

Yep, worked for me. I had a couple denied by bank charges because Chase bank’s fraud alert system ignored my advance notice and double pinky swear “it’s really me” 3 times in a row. Switched cards and nabbed a unit. Thanks! Looking forward to testing it out.

neosd
12-08-2017, 04:29 PM
Yep, worked for me. I had a couple denied by bank charges because Chase bank’s fraud alert system ignored my advance notice and double pinky swear “it’s really me” 3 times in a row. Switched cards and nabbed a unit. Thanks! Looking forward to testing it out.

thanks to you for the purchase

legolas119
12-08-2017, 04:36 PM
I can answer a few:

The cart currently supports cue+iso and cue+bin, but adding cue+wav is easy. cue+mp3 and similar formats with compressed audio won't be supported.

I think a rgb modded console will work. You can also continue using your modded rgb output if you wish, but the audio must be taken from the sd system 3 connector, otherwise you'll miss the cdda + adpcm sound that is generated by the cdrom block

Thanks! I think I would buy this: http://www.ebay.it/itm/Console-Nec-Pc-Engine-Coregrafx-RGB-Mod-THS7374-Manette-Autofire-/401455435428? It seems in good conditions.
After purchasing the Super SD System 3, I only need a microSD card, am I right? I don't know if the RGB cable included is compatble with SUper SD System 3. If not, I have to buy a scart rgb cable for Megadrive 2 like this one: http://www.ebay.it/itm/Sega-Mega-Drive-2-II-High-Quality-GOLD-PLATED-RGB-Scart-TV-Lead-Video-Cable/261091969356?hash=item3cca4b494c:g:n10AAOSwstxVAgv v

correct?

RAZO
12-08-2017, 04:39 PM
Just Ordered 2. Had to Call my CC Company as well and give them a heads up. Doing the Text Message Fraud Press 1 thing wasn't working.

Pinball
12-08-2017, 04:41 PM
An amazing product.. again. I bought 2 last night, along with a Jap Turbografx (due to PAL 50Hz issue). Thanks!

neosd
12-08-2017, 04:44 PM
thanks for the purchases guys,

fenikso
12-08-2017, 04:48 PM
Ordered! My bank was being a pain again. Might have to try this whole 'wire transfer' thingy next time.

SirRockALot
12-08-2017, 05:44 PM
You actually can get the digital signals from the PCE. They are output on the expansion connector.
However there is considerably more that goes into creating a HDMI signal then just having digital signals.

IIRC they was doing some kind of clever trick where it got the palette data and the used that to perfectly reconstruct the analog signal or something like that. Certainly not straightforward, even without the complexities of HDMI considered.

SirRockALot
12-08-2017, 05:51 PM
i was amazed no one asked about that before :)

Yes, we got a new neobuilder coming, this time it will not require 1.000 frameworks to get it working, or this is what i been told ;)

This tool will build a bin file with a database for the games. It wil contain genre, screenshots and other fields

It will come with preloaded screenshots and it will allow to add your own screenshots to the database aswel


So once you generate this database you only have to put it on the root of the microsd

The metadata features are certainly very cool and elevate this over the usual plain EverDrive menu!

Oh yeah, I think the NeoSD converter is .NET based? Would be nice to have something more slim & portable ;-) Will you have a Mac/Linux application this time around? Everything Windows is always a major pain for me, I'd have to see if it's easier to get it going on my ancient XP laptop or setup a VirtualBox system again, very slow when moving potentially tens of GB of CD images around. For the NeoSD there is thankfully a pre-converted set available, I hope something like this will be also be made by the community, SmokeMonster etc. at least for the HuCard part. Not sure how practical it'll be to have this for the hundreds of CD games, though ;-) Can you also just copy ROMs and BIN/CUEs, BIOS files etc. to the SD card manually?

xterc
12-08-2017, 05:55 PM
Excellent... I have mine ordered, I got a call from fraud protection, but all good now!

GohanX
12-08-2017, 06:00 PM
Thanks! I think I would buy this: http://www.ebay.it/itm/Console-Nec-Pc-Engine-Coregrafx-RGB-Mod-THS7374-Manette-Autofire-/401455435428? It seems in good conditions.
After purchasing the Super SD System 3, I only need a microSD card, am I right? I don't know if the RGB cable included is compatble with SUper SD System 3. If not, I have to buy a scart rgb cable for Megadrive 2 like this one: http://www.ebay.it/itm/Sega-Mega-Drive-2-II-High-Quality-GOLD-PLATED-RGB-Scart-TV-Lead-Video-Cable/261091969356?hash=item3cca4b494c:g:n10AAOSwstxVAgv v

correct?That system should work fine, but you're paying a lot for a RGB mod that you won't need.

That cable in the second link should work fine, although I don't know anything about the quality.

Gentlegamer
12-08-2017, 06:23 PM
Simply amazing!

I have a PCE Duo-R, now I have a legitimate reason to get a OG PCE other than being a collectard.

dl1955
12-08-2017, 06:31 PM
Ordered! Mine went thru. YAY!

Thank you!

Syn
12-08-2017, 06:35 PM
Ordered.

grendelrt
12-08-2017, 06:35 PM
As someone who has repaired their Duo multiple times for bad caps and traces, I snapped one of these up haha. Now I need a cable and a Pc engine/Core Grafx.

sr20det510
12-08-2017, 06:37 PM
Yes, but this may have extra fees on your side.

I would just wait until tonite and try again

Orale, I will try tonight when I get home.

RAZO
12-08-2017, 06:40 PM
That system should work fine, but you're paying a lot for a RGB mod that you won't need.

That cable in the second link should work fine, although I don't know anything about the quality.

I ordered 2 Core Grafx Systems from this seller.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEC-Pc-Engine-Core-Grafx-console-only-Japanese-console-Working-condition/122806215472?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

Messaged him in regards to combined shipping and hooked me up with e-express for a few extra bucks, go's by Frankie lol. Seems to be a nice guy. I wasn't looking for anything Minty, just in good shape, that works. Seems like the kind of guy that might give a discount if you buy multiple units.

Famicommander
12-08-2017, 06:57 PM
Finally got it to go through!

Can't wait. I already have both a PC Engine and TG16, so no worries there. But I never got any of the CD stuff. Always wanted to, but this is even better.

Syn
12-08-2017, 07:03 PM
Finally got it to go through!

Can't wait. I already have both a PC Engine and TG16, so no worries there. But I never got any of the CD stuff. Always wanted to, but this is even better.

This is perfect for you!

I do have a Duo-R that I'll keep for homebrews but grabbed one for my SuperGrafx. Playing 99.99% of the library was too tempting.

fenikso
12-08-2017, 07:14 PM
Hoping that this works with my HDRetrovision cable.

Famicommander
12-08-2017, 07:14 PM
This is perfect for you!

I do have a Duo-R that I'll keep for homebrews but grabbed one for my SuperGrafx. Playing 99.99% of the library was too tempting.
I could never find a Duo-R that was both region modded and RGB capable for a decent price. And I have very little skill with a soldering iron so I was also looking for one that someone else had already recapped.

This is so much easier. I'll just leave it plugged into the PC Engine all the time and play the US HuCards I still have on the TG16. I have an external RGB board that plugs into both systems, so now I can just leave that hooked to the TG16 and stop switching it back and forth. I suppose I could just play the TG16 ROMs off the new device but I still prefer physical media when I've already got it on hand.

MobiusStripTech
12-08-2017, 07:27 PM
Hoping that this works with my HDRetrovision cable.
It will. I have used the same setup for the rgb output on a pc engine many times before.

fenikso
12-08-2017, 07:35 PM
It will. I have used the same setup for the rgb output on a pc engine many times before.

I count this as very good news.

greedostick
12-08-2017, 08:09 PM
Finally got through and snagged one!

Now the big question.. Sell my RGB modded RX, and stack of games, or hold on? Might have to let that crap go.

RAZO
12-08-2017, 08:22 PM
Finally got through and snagged one!

Now the big question.. Sell my RGB modded RX, and stack of games, or hold on? Might have to let that crap go.

Calling your RGB Modded RX and Stack of Games crap, Huh?

To answer your question, even though I ordered two Super Sd System's, I'm going to hold on to the hand full of CD gems I own and the Duo's. At least for the time being. The Original Duo's I own work great and have both been recapped and New Lasers added so I would hate to let them go. Plus they look dope as fuck.

turdkind
12-08-2017, 08:22 PM
Finally got through and snagged one!

Now the big question.. Sell my RGB modded RX, and stack of games, or hold on? Might have to let that crap go.

I'm on my third or fourth round of buying back into the hobby, and one of the things that sold me on it are all the options for playing without building and maintaining the library, while not being dependent on emulation and its shortcomings. All I need are the consoles, a CRT, an RGB mod in some cases, and products like this one.

I don't think the hoarding I was doing previously was healthy for me or my bank account. I was obsessed with cart condition and sleeves and cardboard box quality, which is just insane when all I really want to do is play.

Gyrian
12-08-2017, 08:29 PM
Have we hit the daily limit twice? My bank isn't seeing a decline, but I'm getting a "Data error. Contact the merchant." message from BBVA.

greedostick
12-08-2017, 08:54 PM
Have we hit the daily limit twice? My bank isn't seeing a decline, but I'm getting a "Data error. Contact the merchant." message from BBVA.

I tried several times today, and made it through to the last step, and was declined. Got home from work, tried again, and got the error you stated. Had to call my CC company, and then it worked. That was less than an hour ago.


Calling your RGB Modded RX and Stack of Games crap, Huh?

To answer your question, even though I ordered two Super Sd System's, I'm going to hold on to the hand full of CD gems I own and the Duo's. At least for the time being. The Original Duo's I own work great and have both been recapped and New Lasers added so I would hate to let them go. Plus they look dope as fuck.


Calling your RGB Modded RX and Stack of Games crap, Huh?

To answer your question, even though I ordered two Super Sd System's, I'm going to hold on to the hand full of CD gems I own and the Duo's. At least for the time being. The Original Duo's I own work great and have both been recapped and New Lasers added so I would hate to let them go. Plus they look dope as fuck.

I'm very partial to my PC Engine stuff. Been collecting Turbo since the 90's. As far as CD media goes though, I don't find it as fun to collect as Hueys and cartridges. I still have a few choice games I have been holding onto for many years, back from when I had about a 95% complete and boxed English TurboGrafx Hu/CD collection. I will probably keep a few of my most favorite Hu-Cards, but I'm really trying to get out of the collecting game. At least trying to juggle libraries for 15 different consoles. Right now my collection is lower than 50 games, lowest it's been since the mid 90's. I'm thinking I may just collect for my top 100 games of all-time, and if I ever beat all those again, start going for a top 125. Good thing about that is, when you are only buying the 10/10 good stuff, that eliminates a lot of high-dollar games that are just "good". Great things about products like this is, if I get an urge to play one of those games that are just good, I have it at my disposal. I guess I only really find satisfaction in owning the best of the best games anymore. Twenty-Two years of collecting will do that to a guy. Now I just want to play games, instead of looking for them all day online. That is a hobby in itself.

The Duo-R is the sexiest machine ever.

Yodd
12-08-2017, 09:03 PM
For you guys hoping for more reviews on this, I should have my video review of the finished and shipping unit up before Christmas. Hopefully.

RAZO
12-08-2017, 09:11 PM
Have we hit the daily limit twice? My bank isn't seeing a decline, but I'm getting a "Data error. Contact the merchant." message from BBVA.

It's possible. It's suppose to say contact your bank if the issue is on your end.

Syn
12-08-2017, 09:25 PM
That was my fear. Going through setting up the wire transfer took awhile. At the end, hitting the transfer button. Everything looked kosher (is that wacist?) and then the email arrived saying all's good.

BenG76
12-09-2017, 12:21 AM
I tried to order on and it said Merchant error like others have had. Called my credit card and they didn't see anything. I tried to stumble through wiring the money but I couldn't get the info to match up for my bank. Will try to use my card again later if I can.

fenikso
12-09-2017, 01:30 AM
I tried to order on and it said Merchant error like others have had. Called my credit card and they didn't see anything. I tried to stumble through wiring the money but I couldn't get the info to match up for my bank. Will try to use my card again later if I can.

Mine said merchant error as well, but I had to get a hold of my CU. Card services for Visa weren't able to do anything for me.

Rot
12-09-2017, 01:51 AM
On an ASIDE.... for all the non-weirdoe people who are looking to play the device... and are not so "tech orientated"...

I can supply you a "Link"...

You may PM me or come into chat... for the "Link"...

xROTx

PS. This is until I can think of a way to do this without getting my ass in trouble... because I forsee that we may have certain posts coming up that would involve the mod team to frown upon...

neosd
12-09-2017, 03:03 AM
I had about a 95% complete and boxed English TurboGrafx Hu/CD collection.

I think this is a great moment for you guys to support redump.org preservation project.

They try to preserve every cd/dvd game disk ever released.

Please, consider contributing there, it will benefit the entire pcengine comunity, most of usa dumps are being missing there as other high rated games from japan

neosd
12-09-2017, 03:42 AM
Ok guys,

First production update comes today

Mould has finished the polishment stage and we got samples of the final pieces, those SAMPLES are in solid black but FINAL PIECES WILL BE TRANSPARENT SMOKE BLACK

Those pictures are good to see how the shells will look like :

http://www.neosdstore.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/sd_system_3_shells_1.jpg
http://www.neosdstore.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/sd_system_3_shells_2.jpg
http://www.neosdstore.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/sd_system_3_shells_3.jpg
http://www.neosdstore.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/sd_system_3_shells_4.jpg

I hope you all like those

greatfunky
12-09-2017, 03:57 AM
Beautiful , looks so professional ! congratulation guys , i look forward to receiving mine :D

X68
12-09-2017, 04:02 AM
Shells look groovy =]
Does the AV cable require any components to be installed for RGB output or does it need to be completely passive?

neosd
12-09-2017, 04:06 AM
Shells look groovy =]
Does the AV cable require any components to be installed for RGB output or does it need to be completely passive?

All pasive.

We have to open our mega drive 2 cables by monday cause we have been told those have resistors inside and may cause some issues, we havenīt seen any issues using those MD2 cables on different tvs btw

X68
12-09-2017, 04:07 AM
OK thanks, time to roll one ;)

Kid Panda
12-09-2017, 04:07 AM
Nice, looking top shelf my friend. :cool:

neosd
12-09-2017, 04:08 AM
Beautiful , looks so professional ! congratulation guys , i look forward to receiving mine :D

i smell NO SHELLGATE or delays this year :)