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Evil Wasabi
12-01-2017, 07:16 PM
Would this create the widespread chaos necessary to smokescreen the world away from his sleight of hand to evade any justice in firing mueller and halting the Russian investigation?

Evil Wasabi
12-01-2017, 08:15 PM
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fakeXsound
12-04-2017, 09:41 PM
TBH I'm ignorant on this.

A) Why would this cause an uproar?

B) Why doesn't Israel pick their own capital?

mjmjr25
12-04-2017, 11:41 PM
Most of the world does not recognize Israel's annexation of Jerusalem in the 1967 war. The Palestinians are in East Jerusalem and maintain it will be their eventual capital in a future Palestine.

Like most things Trump has done - Wasabi is on point, it's a smokescreen to distract, just like the Utah land stuff.

It will alienate both our allies and our enemies. There is no reason to make the announcement other than to ruffle more feathers and sow more hatred. The religious or historical reasons that may exist for some who would support this - are not on his radar, but he takes advantage of that.

In the end, peoples will have more hatred for him, and by proxy Americans, but no allegiances, politically speaking will change. It will have the added bonus of passing more unhelpful legislation without coverage from the media. This will run a good 5 day news cycle and everything else happening will be old news by the time anyone wants to talk about it in large circles.

fakeXsound
12-05-2017, 12:25 PM
Uhg. Good info. What a shitshow.

Rot
12-05-2017, 12:53 PM
It could be worse... the strategic country of Turkey... might be a bit pissed off... (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-42232158)

xROTx

SML
12-05-2017, 02:26 PM
It's likeTrump was looking at Bush's approval chart and a cartoon lightbulb appeared over his head.

Tripredacus
12-05-2017, 03:52 PM
There should be an Israel investigation instead of a Russia investigation.

lachlan
12-06-2017, 04:59 AM
Sounds like this might actually be happening... or what they're calling a 'realization of the reality' which is basically the same thing in the eyes of everyone else. Maybe you guys will be fighting two fronts for Christmas?

Rot
12-06-2017, 05:19 AM
This is stupid...

...It opens a can of worms that should never have been opened...

xROTx

SteveNK
12-06-2017, 05:31 AM
Staggeringly, a new low. What depths can this shit stain possibly sink to?

There will be so much blood on his hands for this.

Rot
12-06-2017, 05:43 AM
Staggeringly, a new low. What depths can this shit stain possibly sink to?

There will be so much blood on his hands for this.

Yeah... the whole Jerusalem issue is so devisive...

Religion... Politics... Land Grabbing.. all thrown into one pot...

Now Jackass Trump wants to officially endorse the land grabbing by Israel... this is gonna piss off a LOT of the Muslim states...

NOT GOOD!

xROTx

Razoola
12-06-2017, 10:28 AM
It's a really sad situation and its clear to me what he is doing. Its a simple case of him teasing a dog until it bites and then using that bite as justification to put it down. I'm not saying palestinians or muslims are dogs btw just to be clear.

I have been listening to Jews living in Israel today calling radio shows saying that Trump is out of his mind. Somone has got to step in and stop him.

Poppy
12-06-2017, 11:24 AM
Omfg

I thought this thread was a joke until i saw this mornings news.

Fuck chuck Schumer.

GOD DAMN IT

I want to fucking explode

Evil Wasabi
12-06-2017, 11:28 AM
Omfg

I thought this thread was a joke until i saw this mornings news.

Fuck chuck Schumer.

GOD DAMN IT

I want to fucking explode

I really hope none of these clowns run a false flag attack on Jerusalem. It seems inevitable.

ratson
12-06-2017, 11:45 AM
Wow, this is some fucked up shit Trump's pulling. This could turn out to be a real disaster.

Takumaji
12-06-2017, 12:48 PM
Trump's decision is both stupid and somewhat honest. Stupid, because it will make a fair solution of the Israel-Palestine conflict impossible and is a kick in the ass of the spiritual rights of Muslims which the extremists among them will exploit as a first-rate propaganda victory. New intifada, here we come.

Somewhat honest (although prolly involuntarily), because he finally does away with all the lies about a peace process and a balanced view of the situation. The US have always supported the respective Israeli government and only used the peace talks to shove an Israel-friendly solution down Palestine's throat, other than that there was no process to speak of, just a prolonged series of talks that gave Israel the chance to expand their settlement program. There is no more space left for a Palestine state, just take a look at the West Bank, there are Israelis on every bleedin' hill and they won't go away anytime soon.

He also does away with the lies that the neighbouring states of Palestine stand side by side with their Muslim brothers and sisters. As soon as things got hot, the good neighbours went in line with the US because they were (and still are) dependent on US weapons to keep their own people in check.

fakeXsound
12-06-2017, 12:57 PM
Somewhat honest (although prolly involuntarily), because he finally does away with all the lies about a peace process and a balanced view of the situation. The US have always supported the respective Israeli government and only used the peace talks to shove an Israel-friendly solution down Palestine's throat, other than that there was no process to speak of, just a prolonged series of talks that gave Israel the chance to expand their settlement program. There is no more space left for a Palestine state, just take a look at the West Bank, there are Israelis on every bleedin' hill and they won't go away anytime soon.

Like I said, I'm not super familiar with the whole Israel / Palestine thing beyond the very high level stuff (mainly because I don't know where to start). But this is what did come to mind. I do know that the US dogmatically supports Israel, and I've always assumed it's more for military leverage (i.e., having a de facto military base in the area) than for "justice" or even bullshit religion, and that any sort of peace talk was just a facade, even for left wingers who tend (from my perspective) to only grudgingly support Israel and know that Palestine is less in the wrong than Israel.

That said, I don't think that this is quite a "rip off the band-aid" situation. This won't end anything in one violent implosion. It will only fan the flames.

lithy
12-06-2017, 03:47 PM
Where is bokmeow?

K_K
12-06-2017, 03:53 PM
What the fuck is Israel? That stolen piece of land that the British gave to dejooz back during world war 1?! Fuck sake

lachlan
12-07-2017, 01:44 AM
What the fuck is Israel? That stolen piece of land that the British gave to dejooz back during world war 1?! Fuck sake

Gee I wonder why they're all tense over there huh?

Fuzzytaco
12-07-2017, 03:05 AM
My paternal grandfather was Jewish. As a Jewish American growing up in depression era 1930's America his primary concern in life was with the establishment of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital. Struggling to feed and cloth his family during a time of great suffering meant nothing to him, as long as a proper Jewish majority could be established in Jerusalem. Thank God for president Trump finally choosing a proper capital for a country he couldn't even point out on a map. My dear departed grandfather can finally rest his soul. Also, any future attacks on America can now be directly attributed to Trump.

Evil Wasabi
12-07-2017, 07:09 AM
My paternal grandfather was Jewish. As a Jewish American growing up in depression era 1930's America his primary concern in life was with the establishment of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital. Struggling to feed and cloth his family during a time of great suffering meant nothing to him, as long as a proper Jewish majority could be established in Jerusalem. Thank God for president Trump finally choosing a proper capital for a country he couldn't even point out on a map. My dear departed grandfather can finally rest his soul. Also, any future attacks on America can now be directly attributed to Trump.

LOL. Isn't jerusalem just about a quarter jewish though?

Poppy
12-07-2017, 10:31 AM
LOL. Isn't jerusalem just about a quarter jewish though?

Jewish quarter, Christian quarter, Muslim quarter, Armenian quarter

Evil Wasabi
12-07-2017, 11:26 AM
Jewish quarter, Christian quarter, Muslim quarter, Armenian quarter

Right. And Armenians are Christian, so like...

Tripredacus
12-07-2017, 01:26 PM
So this confirms that Trump isn't a Nazi, right?

SteveNK
12-07-2017, 01:44 PM
So this confirms that Trump isn't a Nazi, right?

Wrong.

He's just trying to concentrate every single last one into one area before the giant shower.

lithy
12-07-2017, 01:58 PM
My paternal grandfather was Jewish. As a Jewish American growing up in depression era 1930's America his primary concern in life was with the establishment of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital. Struggling to feed and cloth his family during a time of great suffering meant nothing to him, as long as a proper Jewish majority could be established in Jerusalem. Thank God for president Trump finally choosing a proper capital for a country he couldn't even point out on a map. My dear departed grandfather can finally rest his soul. Also, any future attacks on America can now be directly attributed to Trump.

Your grandfather had some fucked up priorities.

It is somewhat hilarious that the banner of Zionism is carried by the Republicans in this country. I don't get it at all.

The United States doesn't (well, 'shouldn't' I guess) exist to establish a Jewish state in Palestine.

Fuzzytaco
12-07-2017, 02:03 PM
Your grandfather had some fucked up priorities.

The only true part of that story was that my grandfather was a Jew, but only by virtue of coming from his mother's vagina.

lachlan
12-07-2017, 03:59 PM
Your grandfather had some fucked up priorities.

It is somewhat hilarious that the banner of Zionism is carried by the Republicans in this country. I don't get it at all.

The United States doesn't (well, 'shouldn't' I guess) exist to establish a Jewish state in Palestine.

Other than a strategic military base? I really don't fucking get it.

CORY
12-07-2017, 06:11 PM
It is somewhat hilarious that the banner of Zionism is carried by the Republicans in this country. I don't get it at all.

You might want to google people like Sheldon Adelson bro.

Poppy
12-07-2017, 08:50 PM
Your grandfather had some fucked up priorities.

It is somewhat hilarious that the banner of Zionism is carried by the Republicans in this country. I don't get it at all.

The United States doesn't (well, 'shouldn't' I guess) exist to establish a Jewish state in Palestine.

You don't get it at all?

Hatred of Arabs along with a prophecy from their bible that says that jeebus can't come back unless israel is controlled by the Jews.

It's that simple

wyo
12-07-2017, 08:55 PM
You don't get it at all?

Hatred of Arabs along with a prophecy from their bible that says that jeebus can't come back unless israel is controlled by the Jews.

It's that simple

When the Jews return to Zion and a comet fills the sky, and the Holy Roman Empire rises; then you and I must die. From the eternal sea he rises, creating armies on either shore, turning man against his brother, 'til man exists no more.

neobuyer
12-07-2017, 09:15 PM
Seriously, fuck the Palestinians. Let them find shelter with their Muslim brothers, y'know, the ones who haven't been sheltering them all these years.

The west is the motherfucking best, period.

Anybody that doesn't like it can go fuck themselves.

K_K
12-08-2017, 12:24 PM
Jewish quarter, Christian quarter, Muslim quarter, Armenian quarter

Yeah but where can I get good Chinese food?!

FAT$TACKS
12-08-2017, 07:46 PM
Every time I watch videos of the crap going on over there with the protests it makes me want to listen to Rock the Casbah. Maybe that's wrong of me but still.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9r8LMU9bQ

lachlan
12-08-2017, 08:39 PM
Every time I watch videos of the crap going on over there with the protests it makes me want to listen to Rock the Casbah. Maybe that's wrong of me but still.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9r8LMU9bQ

Dunno man but it is a great song.