PDA

View Full Version : MVS & AES NEOSD flash card... AES Version ANNOUNCED & AVAILABLE!!



Pages : 1 2 3 4 5 [6] 7 8 9 10 11 12 13

fenikso
12-04-2016, 09:57 AM
Man, the anticipation is killing me. Anybody in the Midwest get theirs yet? It's still showing as 'accepted' for me, with no updates on their website since 11/21.

cyd
12-04-2016, 10:20 AM
Nope, still waiting as well.

Rot
12-04-2016, 10:28 AM
I'm waiting too:(

xROTx

PS... I didn't buy one... just trollin':D

nio
12-04-2016, 11:43 AM
I am waiting too ... but only a few seconds for the next game to be flashed. haha :-)

TMOSteel
12-04-2016, 11:53 AM
A regular AES cart fits just fine in a shockbox, and so will his repo shell as I assume the dimensions are exactly the same.

Ah, did not know that, never had a reason to put an AES cart in a shockbox which is probably why. Good to know though, thanks for the info.

Arcade Magician
12-04-2016, 12:59 PM
I couldn't resist...

41091410884108941090

benjiedude
12-04-2016, 01:12 PM
I couldn't resist...

41091410884108941090

Nice work. Should have a contest on who can make the best label.

poodude
12-04-2016, 02:52 PM
Those labels look awesome, that was more what i was hoping for. I like the first one, and the first magician lord one quite a bit.

xsq
12-04-2016, 03:12 PM
I must say that after this post (even though I admit some of these mockups look interesting):

41091410884108941090

I very much understand what alienpdx means:

I have on purpose stayed away from copy pasting random snk artwork or deviant-art fan art , as i simply dont want to 'steal' stuff for it on a sticker. [...] thats not my style. hope u understand! The design is about neosd and not snk or something, the MS tank is just a little homage.

Can't wait to see how the final sticker will turn out. A homage combined with an original take (in the spirit of the NeoSD) sounds perfect. You're on the right track!


P.S.:
The question whether there should or should not be two different stickers for MVS/AES is up to the NEOSD team. I don't see a problem if there is only one version - if you're not sure just take a brief look at the edges, they're different enough (and you can't fit an MVS games PCB into a homesystem).

Besides: who doesn't take care of their 400 carts? FFS.... Oh wait, I forgot what site I'm on (3 season porch Garou homecart or gtfo!) (http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?249155-FS-AES-systems-games-mvs-boards-mvs-carts-partial-kits&p=3663402&viewfull=1#post3663402). Carry on. :keke:

wyndcrosser
12-04-2016, 03:34 PM
Seriously thinking of picking up the AES flash cart now.

neosd
12-04-2016, 03:50 PM
Hello,

I think that both stickers should be different, maybe just an small difference such as one having AES and anohter having MVS in a corner or something like that, but this is just my opinion and at the end of the day we have infinite faith in alien, so it dosent matters at all.

I know you guys may not understand that but we have a proud feeling just having alien doint it.
Big part of this product has been done by nostalgia, love from old times, and alien works bring us back those moments.

Alien, so many good moments for so many years mate, big fun at mups

kekeke



I must say that after this post (even though I admit some of these mockups look interesting):


I very much understand what alienpdx means:


Can't wait to see how the final sticker will turn out. A homage combined with an original take (in the spirit of the NeoSD) sounds perfect. You're on the right track!


P.S.:
The question whether there should or should not be two different stickers for MVS/AES is up to the NEOSD team. I don't see a problem if there is only one version - if you're not sure just take a brief look at the edges, they're different enough (and you can't fit an MVS games PCB into a homesystem).

Besides: who doesn't take care of their €400 carts? FFS.... Oh wait, I forgot what site I'm on (3 season porch Garou homecart or gtfo!) (http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?249155-FS-AES-systems-games-mvs-boards-mvs-carts-partial-kits&p=3663402&viewfull=1#post3663402). Carry on. :keke:

hyper
12-04-2016, 05:06 PM
I think that both stickers should be different, maybe just an small difference such as one having AES and anohter having MVS in a corner or something like thatits a good idea, especially if you buy both the MVS & AES carts they are distinctly different even if its minor

Sceptre_JLRB
12-04-2016, 07:35 PM
Just FYI. I'd like to share with all of you my results testing the NeoSD MVS with other .neo files different from those 'officially' recognized by NeoBuilder UI v1.02, 'handmade' converted from their original .zip romsets using NeoBuilder v1.05 command-line. Find below game lists showing the format actual game name -> .zip/.neo romset filename = working status.

Setting:
- Consolized Neo-Geo MVS MV-1F, RGB video output
- UniBIOS 3.2 Free
- NeoSD-MVS firmware version: 1.05 R02
__________________________________________________ _______________________


* Neo-Geo Extra Games:

- Last Hope (Bootleg AES to MVS conversion, no coin support) -> lasthope = Blocked. Returns to hardware test mode.
- Last Hope CD (NG-CD to AES Beta Conversion) -> lhcdb = Imperfect graphics.
- Robo Army (Set 2) -> roboarma = OK
- Saulabi Spirits / Jin Saulabi Tu Hon (Korean release of Samurai Shodown II) (Set 2) -> samsho2k2 = OK
- Samurai Shodown V / Samurai Spirits Zero (XBox Hack, English dialogues) -> samsho5x = Working. Some horizontal-line glitches and bad colors.
- Treasure of the Caribbean (Prototype) (1996) -> totcarib = OK
- Treasure of the Caribbean (Prototype) (2011) -> totc = OK
- World Heroes 2 Jet (Set 2) -> wh2jh = OK
- Zintrick / Oshidashi Zentrix (Neo-Geo CD Conversion) (Non-MAME) -> zintrkcd = OK. Proper UniBIOS menu. Obviously, no music. (Thanks, Razoola!)
__________________________________________________ _______________________


* Neo-Geo Homebrew Games: (Kudos for developers ;) )

- 4-Player Input Test (MVS 4P Key System Check) (Homebrew) -> 4play = OK
- ADPCM-A and ADPCM-B Example Program (Demo) -> sound_loop = OK
- Chaos Demo (Neo-Geo Edition) (Demo) -> neodemo = OK
- Codename: Blut Engel (Homebrew) -> cnbe = Greenish display (maybe due to RGB?). No sound.
- Columns (Homebrew) -> ncolumns = Greenish display (maybe due to RGB?). No sound.
- Frog Feast -> NGFrog = OK
- Galaga Demo (Demo) (Set 1) -> neogalag = OK
- Galaga Demo (Demo) (Set 2) -> neogalaga = OK
- Intro Demo: Chip 'n Dale (Intro demo) (Demo) -> cndi = Music OK, no video, only 'Bank Error' message. [Requires UniBIOS in JAP AES mode.]
- Intro Demo: Darkwing Duck (Intro demo) (Demo) -> dwi = Music OK, no video, black screen. [Requires UniBIOS in JAP AES mode.]
- Intro Demo: Darkwing Duck (Alt) (Intro demo) (Demo) -> dwia = Music OK, no video, black screen. [Requires UniBIOS in JAP AES mode.]
- Intro Demo: DuckTales (Intro demo) (Demo) -> ducki = Music OK, no video, only 'Bank Error' message. [Requires UniBIOS in JAP AES mode.]
- Intro Demo: Ghostbusters (Intro demo) (Demo) -> ghostbi = Music OK, corrupted video. [Requires UniBIOS in JAP AES mode.]
- Intro Demo: Robocop (Intro demo) (Demo) -> robocopi = Music OK, no video, only 'Bank Error' message. UniBIOS error and reset at a concrete point. [Requires UniBIOS in JAP AES mode.]
- Intro Demo: Spiderman (Intro demo) (Demo) -> spidermi = Music progressively crackles, corrupted video. [Requires UniBIOS in JAP AES mode.]
- Intro Demo: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (Intro demo) (Demo) -> tmnti = Music OK, corrupted video. [Requires UniBIOS in JAP AES mode.]
- Intro Demo: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (Alt) (Intro demo) (Demo) -> tmntia = Music OK, corrupted video. [Requires UniBIOS in JAP AES mode.]
- Jonas Indiana and the Lost Temple of Ra (Homebrew) -> jonasindiana = No sound.
- Neo 2500 Demo (Demo) -> neo2500 = OK
- Neo Castlevania Demo (Demo) -> neocstlv = OK
- Neo Fight (Demo) -> neofight = Greenish display (maybe due to RGB?).
- Neo no Panepon (20021005) -> neonopon = OK
- Neo no Panepon (20020707 #1) -> neonopon1 = Some greenish colors. Freezes.
- Neo no Panepon (20020707 #2) -> neonopon2 = Some greenish colors. Freezes.
- Neo no Panepon (20020822) -> neonopon3 = Some greenish colors. Freezes.
- Neo Thunder (Homebrew, sebastianmihai.com) -> neothndr = OK
- Neo-Geo 3D! Demo (Homebrew) -> neo3ddmo = OK
- Neo-Geo 2-Player Tetris (Homebrew) -> neotet = No sound.
- NeoPong (v1.1) -> neopong = Imperfect graphics. Music progressively crackles.
- NeoPong (v1.0) -> neopong10 / neoponga = Imperfect graphics. No sound.
- NeoSystemCheck v1.0b (Homebrew) -> syscheck = OK
- NGEM2K (Homebrew) -> ngem2k = OK
- NGF Transparency Demo (Demo) -> ngftdemo = Music progressively crackles.
- Nyan Cat (Demo) -> nyancat = Returns to NeoSD menu and 'Launch current game' option disappears. File seems to not even been flashed.
- Poker Night -> poknight = Greenish display (maybe due to RGB?).
- Primo Demo (Demo) -> neoprimo = OK
- Shadow of the Beast (Neo-Geo demo) (Demo) -> neobeast = Greenish display (maybe due to RGB?). Messed graphics.
- WW2 Demo (Demo) -> neoww2 = OK
- Sprite Experimenter (Homebrew) -> spritexpmvs = OK
- Twister in a Mirror (Demo) -> twister_in_a_mirror-intro = OK
__________________________________________________ _______________________


It seems that maybe a great number of homebrew could have been developed considering emulators instead of the real system, hence the flaws most of them present on it when played via NeoSD.

Please, feel free to share your impressions, suggestions or results with your own .neo extra/homebrew collection! Thanks!

massimiliano
12-04-2016, 10:58 PM
Question for neosd/dev and Raz, about the (theoretical) possibility for a feature rich game selector, beyond just ROM names and a screenshot.

Let's say for a second that the ultimate front-end should show at least game cover/artwork, cart sticker, game title/screenshot, game information.

Sounds this would be too much for the GUI? (don;t know ..is the GUI data in the same flash used for games, with a reserved address space? could it be expanded?)
If not, would it be possible to create an application (homebrew ROM) that could show such amount of data at will *and* allow to flash a selected game (I guess I'm asking for "in-game flashing" feature)

Another but related question, given the neo2pc concept, would that be possible to create a serial over TCP/IP COM module? I guess it would be possible to use arduino to encapsulate/handle the serial comms from the joystick port, even trough wireless.
I'm thinking about a very small app (again, homebrew ROM) that would be capable of loading content from a server (i.e. highly compressed images for the game selector)... or upload data (i.e. highscores)

Just curious...networking sounds could open few possibilities.

neodev
12-05-2016, 02:07 AM
The UI program lives in a reserved area of the flash. The space reserved for the UI is 1MB of program and 512KB of graphics data. In your approach, the main issue is stuffing all that data in the reserved graphics area, it's just not enough for what you need, but yes, it would be possible to create a 'game' that can access the sd data and flash a game. The issue there is that you'll have to flash 2 games, first the launcher and then the game, in order to load a game, and that would cause extra wear to the flash.

Razoola
12-05-2016, 02:25 AM
The other issue to take into account is the NeoGeo resolution. You are quite limited there also.

nio
12-05-2016, 02:28 AM
I like the menu, its way more advanced than any everdrive .. and its there! (some carts dont have menus at all)

Razoola
12-05-2016, 02:30 AM
- Treasure of the Caribbean (Prototype) (1996) -> totcarib = OK
- Treasure of the Caribbean (Prototype) (2011) -> totc = OK


What is this? I have never heard of an untouched totc prototype being out there. Or is this just another fake proto attempt?

GadgetUK
12-05-2016, 04:25 AM
Just FYI. I'd like to share with all of you my results testing the NeoSD MVS with other .neo files different from those 'officially' recognized by NeoBuilder UI v1.02, 'handmade' converted from their original .zip romsets using NeoBuilder v1.05 command-line. Find below game lists showing the format actual game name -> .zip/.neo romset filename = working status.

Setting:
- Consolized Neo-Geo MVS MV-1F, RGB video output
- UniBIOS 3.2 Free
- NeoSD-MVS firmware version: 1.05 R02
__________________________________________________ _______________________


* Neo-Geo Extra Games:

- Last Hope (Bootleg AES to MVS conversion, no coin support) -> lasthope = Blocked. Returns to hardware test mode.
- Last Hope CD (NG-CD to AES Beta Conversion) -> lhcdb = Imperfect graphics.
- Robo Army (Set 2) -> roboarma = OK
- Saulabi Spirits / Jin Saulabi Tu Hon (Korean release of Samurai Shodown II) (Set 2) -> samsho2k2 = OK
- Samurai Shodown V / Samurai Spirits Zero (XBox Hack, English dialogues) -> samsho5x = Working. Some horizontal-line glitches and bad colors.
- Treasure of the Caribbean (Prototype) (1996) -> totcarib = OK
- Treasure of the Caribbean (Prototype) (2011) -> totc = OK
- World Heroes 2 Jet (Set 2) -> wh2jh = OK
- Zintrick / Oshidashi Zentrix (Neo-Geo CD Conversion) (Non-MAME) -> zintrkcd = OK. Proper UniBIOS menu. Obviously, no music. (Thanks, Razoola!)
__________________________________________________ _______________________


* Neo-Geo Homebrew Games: (Kudos for developers ;) )

- 4-Player Input Test (MVS 4P Key System Check) (Homebrew) -> 4play = OK
- ADPCM-A and ADPCM-B Example Program (Demo) -> sound_loop = OK
- Chaos Demo (Neo-Geo Edition) (Demo) -> neodemo = OK
- Codename: Blut Engel (Homebrew) -> cnbe = Greenish display (maybe due to RGB?). No sound.
- Columns (Homebrew) -> ncolumns = Greenish display (maybe due to RGB?). No sound.
- Frog Feast -> NGFrog = OK
- Galaga Demo (Demo) (Set 1) -> neogalag = OK
- Galaga Demo (Demo) (Set 2) -> neogalaga = OK
............(edited list as its long).........


Wow, a lot of homebrew titles there that I never knew existed. Is there a single place where these can be obtained, or is that collection an accumulation over the years?

One or two of the glitches there might be due to the fact the ROM has never run on an actual Neo Geo? Sometimes homebrew is developed and tested in an emulator and the net result is small glitches / timing issues when running on actual hardware. That said, I am sure as time goes on and further investigation takes place that where there are problems they can probably be resolved.

JMKurtz
12-05-2016, 06:32 AM
It's garbage, just like the TotC release. The build tools signature is from Oct 5, 2011 in that totcarib romset.


What is this? I have never heard of an untouched totc prototype being out there. Or is this just another fake proto attempt?

JMKurtz
12-05-2016, 06:42 AM
* Neo-Geo Homebrew Games: (Kudos for developers ;) )

- Columns (Homebrew) -> ncolumns = Greenish display (maybe due to RGB?). No sound.
- Poker Night -> poknight = Greenish display (maybe due to RGB?).
- Shadow of the Beast (Neo-Geo demo) (Demo) -> neobeast = Greenish display (maybe due to RGB?). Messed graphics.
__________________________________________________ _______________________


That's some old stuff!!! I don't know if I even have the files anymore. The greenish display issue is due to palette color 0 needing to be black since it's the reference color for the video circuit. Something that's easily fixed and can be patched in the existing roms.

Beast demo - I used more than 96 sprites per horizontal line in that one. This limitation wasn't apparent back in the early emulator days when this demo was written. I did have a new version that had these issues corrected and even the beast player that you could run around with, but lost that version in a HDD crash.

I also have a version of Columns where I fixed the palette issue, changed the right hand column around on the title screen (nobody has ever noticed it's facing the wrong way) and some added sounds. I did this back when we were working on MVS Tracker and trying to hammer out a sound driver to use in that tool. I wonder if I still have this version of Columns somewhere...

Sceptre_JLRB
12-05-2016, 07:31 AM
Thank you all for your interest in my lists! Hope this help developers and to envision the current Neo-Geo homebrew scenario, apart from indie commercial releases.


What is this? I have never heard of an untouched totc prototype being out there. Or is this just another fake proto attempt?

I think totc and totcarib are actually the same, just different romset names from different sources.



Wow, a lot of homebrew titles there that I never knew existed. Is there a single place where these can be obtained, or is that collection an accumulation over the years?

Some of them were in my romset collection from NeoRage old times, but I got some info and downloads at:
**Can we talk about this in a PM? Because Rot is watching me...**(Note that it also includes Neo-Geo CD homebrew.)

In other cases, they can be easily found on the typical ROM-hosting sites. Anyway, I can share my homebrew collection if allowed (I think so, as it's freeware).



That's some old stuff!!! I don't know if I even have the files anymore. The greenish display issue is due to palette color 0 needing to be black since it's the reference color for the video circuit. Something that's easily fixed and can be patched in the existing roms.

Beast demo - I used more than 96 sprites per horizontal line in that one. This limitation wasn't apparent back in the early emulator days when this demo was written. I did have a new version that had these issues corrected and even the beast player that you could run around with, but lost that version in a HDD crash.

I also have a version of Columns where I fixed the palette issue, changed the right hand column around on the title screen (nobody has ever noticed it's facing the wrong way) and some added sounds. I did this back when we were working on MVS Tracker and trying to hammer out a sound driver to use in that tool. I wonder if I still have this version of Columns somewhere...

Glad to read you about your own developments! So interesting valuable info... Thank you very much for such releases & keep up the good work! Hoping to see that corrected versions running on real hardware! :)

EDIT: BEFORE we start on the double standards thing... at least there was password protection... etc etc...

xsq
12-05-2016, 08:02 AM
Great to read about those homebrew roms. That fixed Columns Version sounds delicious...



I know you guys may not understand that but we have a proud feeling just having alien doint it.
Big part of this product has been done by nostalgia, love from old times, and alien works bring us back those moments.
Don't get me wrong, I understand 100%!

neosd
12-05-2016, 08:56 AM
Great to read about those homebrew roms. That fixed Columns Version sounds delicious...



Don't get me wrong, I understand 100%!

I would never get you wrong :)
No worries ..

Thanks

nio
12-05-2016, 11:22 AM
So the ng.dev stuff is not working?

pixeljunkie
12-05-2016, 11:34 AM
So the ng.dev stuff is not working?

SMH

Rot
12-05-2016, 11:38 AM
VERY quickly lads.... I am going to clarify something here...

You may "Discuss" teh romz... but NO member may link anything that directs to romz or romz sites in general...

There are exceptions to the rule... and I will explain that...

1. There maybe a few links here and there.... that are "controlled"...
2. This saves me and some of the other lads from actively "modding and disciplining" you guys... ie. it saves me war room locking some members.....
3. I APPRECIATE... that the gaming scene has changed... but we have set rules here in the main and until Shawn tells us otherwise... we will ensure what he wants is carried out...

xROTx

PS. We have a very secure PM system here... i'd suggest you guys use it...

massimiliano
12-05-2016, 01:44 PM
but yes, it would be possible to create a 'game' that can access the sd data and flash a game. The issue there is that you'll have to flash 2 games, first the launcher and then the game, in order to load a game, and that would cause extra wear to the flash.

thanks for the reply....I keep thinking the ultimate improvement would be allowing filling the flash incrementally, allowing multiple games to be flashed ... that way you could have immediately accessible multiple small games...as many as the storage allows. Now let's say you want to play NAM, it will take over all the storage space reserving unused flash, while actually there would be room for few other games (or homebrew apps) ..makes sense?

kaironman
12-06-2016, 03:23 AM
I know you guys may not understand that but we have a proud feeling just having alien doint it.
Big part of this product has been done by nostalgia, love from old times, and alien works bring us back those moments.

Alien, so many good moments for so many years mate, big fun at mups

kekeke

I ordered an MVS cart yesterday, can't wait to receive it.

Good work!

lifeknot
12-06-2016, 03:50 AM
I ordered today an AES card, i am very happy for the excellent work of the neosd team... Thank you so much

neosd
12-06-2016, 06:33 AM
Hello everyone,

We have a pretty good surpise for everyone in firmware update form.

We are really excited about that


More details today/tomorrow

Thanks

GadgetUK
12-06-2016, 06:53 AM
Hello everyone,

We have a pretty good surpise for everyone in firmware update form.

We are really excited about that


More details today/tomorrow

Thanks

=O I cant even imagine what it might be lol

neosd
12-06-2016, 06:54 AM
=O I cant even imagine what it might be lol

We are just having some food, you will get an email in about 30 minutes or so ;)

Thanks

Rot
12-06-2016, 07:11 AM
=O I cant even imagine what it might be lol

The login screen has my face super-imposed on a juggling Monkey...

Sorry... for spoiling the surprise...

xROTx

neosd
12-06-2016, 07:15 AM
The login screen has my face super-imposed on a juggling Monkey...

Sorry... for spoiling the surprise...

xROTx

Dancing monkey is still work in progress, dont loose the faith on that

Thanks

Rot
12-06-2016, 07:17 AM
Dancing monkey is still work in progress, dont loose the faith on that

Thanks

Mmhh.. unsure if you're trolling me... Usually I'm pretty good at stuffs like that..

Oh well... I'm just trollin' myself atm...

xROTx

PS. Raz things your new firmware lets you use the neosd to control his microwave...

GadgetUK
12-06-2016, 08:25 AM
Thanks, I tested over lunch and sent you an update email =D That has made a positive difference! =D

fenikso
12-06-2016, 09:44 AM
Man, the anticipation is killing me. Anybody in the Midwest get theirs yet? It's still showing as 'accepted' for me, with no updates on their website since 11/21.

12/5 - "Dispatch from the point of origin international office". Progress...

Sceptre_JLRB
12-06-2016, 10:08 AM
Seems that KOF2003 loading time competition times are coming back... ;-)

The new firmware update is gonna be awesome! ;-)

neosd
12-06-2016, 10:10 AM
Hello,

Lets see who can flash it under 2:45, this is my flashing time with a cheap sony microsd right now ;)

Thanks



Seems that KOF2003 loading time competition times are coming back... ;-)

The new firmware update is gonna be awesome! ;-)

massimiliano
12-06-2016, 11:24 AM
Hello,

Lets see who can flash it under 2:45, this is my flashing time with a cheap sony microsd right now ;)

Thanks


....deduplication enabled on the flash?

neodev
12-06-2016, 11:40 AM
....deduplication enabled on the flash?

No, we paralelized some tasks that previously were performed sequentially, converting the time wasted time waiting for data to be programmed into useful time :)
Our theoretical estimates were an improvement of about 25% of write speed, but we fell short, it seems it's over 30%.

massimiliano
12-06-2016, 11:46 AM
No, we paralelized some tasks that previously were performed sequentially, converting the time wasted time waiting for data to be programmed into useful time :)
Our theoretical estimates were an improvement of about 25% of write speed, but we fell short, it seems it's over 30%.

That's awesome! Thanks for making the product better and better!

fenikso
12-06-2016, 11:51 AM
No, we paralelized some tasks that previously were performed sequentially, converting the time wasted time waiting for data to be programmed into useful time :)
Our theoretical estimates were an improvement of about 25% of write speed, but we fell short, it seems it's over 30%.

That's pretty awesome. Under three minutes for the largest game is pretty legit.

benjiedude
12-06-2016, 12:11 PM
No, we paralelized some tasks that previously were performed sequentially, converting the time wasted time waiting for data to be programmed into useful time :)
Our theoretical estimates were an improvement of about 25% of write speed, but we fell short, it seems it's over 30%.

This is awesome! The previously announced flash times was one of the things I was hesitant about in pre ordering one. I did anyway and am very happy to see you guys improving the product! For those of us who preordered the AES version, will we have a way to track ours and know if we'll be in the first wave of orders shipped?

ggallegos1
12-06-2016, 12:36 PM
Is this going to be available via AES or MVS versions throughout the year or is this a limited release item? I won't be able to purchase one until late next year, but will promptly buy one and sell off my MVS carts when I can.

Rot
12-06-2016, 12:49 PM
Is this going to be available via AES or MVS versions throughout the year or is this a limited release item? I won't be able to purchase one until late next year, but will promptly buy one and sell off my MVS carts when I can.

GALL_BLADDER pal...

Neosd has said that it will be available as LONG as the demand is there... batch by batch...

The only reason the AES ones are so limited for now... is that we have the Xmas period and the factories have "weird timetables..."... hence it will take ages for a new AES batch...

xROTx

PS. That 10 year badge.... shall be turned into a n00b badge if you don't start reading the thread properly...:D

NeoTurfMasta
12-06-2016, 01:13 PM
I think a Hyper NeoGeo 64 SD should be a priority and not an AES version.

nio
12-06-2016, 01:16 PM
Is that even possible? It would be so cool!

ggallegos1
12-06-2016, 01:37 PM
GALL_BLADDER pal...

Neosd has said that it will be available as LONG as the demand is there... batch by batch...

The only reason the AES ones are so limited for now... is that we have the Xmas period and the factories have "weird timetables..."... hence it will take ages for a new AES batch...

xROTx

PS. That 10 year badge.... shall be turned into a n00b badge if you don't start reading the thread properly...:D

I heart you rot

TonK
12-06-2016, 02:06 PM
Got all the NG.dev games to work on the Neo SD.

PM moderator Rot for links.

Xian Xi
12-06-2016, 02:09 PM
I think a Hyper NeoGeo 64 SD should be a priority and not an AES version.

I'd buy that.

Rot
12-06-2016, 02:11 PM
Got all the NG.dev games to work on the Neo SD.

PM moderator Rot for links.

Tonk Plz...

Nice try mofo... but as even these dumbass n00bs know... anyone pm'ing me will be subject to to my whimsical ways...

xROTx

PS. Nice try anyway Tonk pal...

EDIT: ANYONE who I don 't like who PM"s me... 48 hour War Room Lock... NUFF SAID!

glazball
12-06-2016, 02:14 PM
@team neoSD - great fucking work you guys. This is amazing news and a dream come true. And thank you for not making any announcements until you were ready to present your work. Life is too short for drama. I'll be buying the AES version in the next few weeks.

Question: For AEShole shelf queens like myself, do you plan to offer a box + artwork for those times when we have to put the game away? Blasphemy I know, but it happens...

aku
12-06-2016, 02:22 PM
Got all the NG.dev games to work on the Neo SD.

PM moderator Rot for links.

thanks TonK - they all work, even the KRAUT BUSTER BETA you sent me! thank you so much!

Rot
12-06-2016, 02:28 PM
thanks TonK - they all work, even the KRAUT BUSTER BETA you sent me! thank you so much!

Hello Aku... Unless you are willing to PM Me... to EXPLAIN this post... i am going to lock you in the war room for 7 days...

I will allow you a ONE time PM... where you will explain this to myself... or face my foot in your ass...

xROTx

PS. You have 24 hours to reply... otherwise it comes into effect...

EDIT: Take note N00bs/Old tymers/Funsters.... This is an example of... who NOT to troll...

pipes
12-06-2016, 02:48 PM
Hello Aku... Unless you are willing to PM Me... to EXPLAIN this post... i am going to lock you in the war room for 7 days...

I will allow you a ONE time PM... where you will explain this to myself... or face my foot in your ass...

xROTx

PS. You have 24 hours to reply... otherwise it comes into effect...

EDIT: Take note N00bs/Old tymers/Funsters.... This is an example of... who NOT to troll...

How's that sarcasm detector workin' for ya old pal?

GadgetUK
12-06-2016, 02:51 PM
The load times are brilliant! Been testing a fair bit this evening and would say the loading speed up is great!!!

Rot
12-06-2016, 02:58 PM
How's that sarcasm detector workin' for ya old pal?

Heh... Here's the THINGY Pipes...

This thread... project... has been approached slightly differently than my usual approach...

You KNOW I like the scorched Earth... fuckit... lets go for it mod'ding stance... HOWEVER, I have viewed this one slightly differently... Here's some facts:

1. Razoola informed me that this could be real... and I should let Neosd onto the forum...
2. I talked to Neosd over a "structure" of behavior I would be happy with and for that... I'd oversee this project (within limits...)
3. I have been VERY lenient in certain aspects that i usually would come down HARD on...
4. I have treated n00bs/old tymers/dumbasses as well as i could... BUT I have also let it be known that there are some aspects I cannot let go... THIS Leads us to the the following issue:

NG.Dev has NOT contacted myself or Neosd in allowing their games to be released on the Neosd... I will NOT have us open to a shitfest concerning this...

You Understand now Pipes?

xROTx

aku
12-06-2016, 03:02 PM
this is the pm i sent 30 mins ago


as i wrote "thanks TonK - they all work, even the KRAUT BUSTER BETA you sent me! thank you so much! "

not good? ok..sry. :/

IT WAS A JOKE. A TONK TROLL. NOT A ROT TROLL.

well...lets keep ng dev rom jokes out of this thread i guess. offline...

pipes
12-06-2016, 03:05 PM
Ah, gotcha Rot. My bad...carry on.

neosd
12-07-2016, 03:22 AM
Hello,

Small update on the stickers.




https://s15.postimg.org/a6003yc8r/mvs_label_design.png

Let us know what you think about.

Thanks

Razoola
12-07-2016, 03:33 AM
defo the best so far

TG62
12-07-2016, 03:45 AM
Hi,

Where is the update section in Download Section ? Because i'm still with the stock version.
And how to add my serial number of my NEOSD ?

Thanks.

manic23
12-07-2016, 04:05 AM
Just putting my two penith re the sticker.... LOVE IT!

neodev
12-07-2016, 05:10 AM
Hi,

Where is the update section in Download Section ? Because i'm still with the stock version.
And how to add my serial number of my NEOSD ?

Thanks.

It's still under testing, as soon as we have the final version, we'll upload it there for everyone.

Jontox
12-07-2016, 06:00 AM
Definitely, the best so far!

Why not :
-change the color of the black rectangle that will be on the upper side of the cartridge to red
- add on the left two parallel stripes in red color as well like a lot of official aes cartridge stickers have
- the main sticker part is cool but feel a little bit empty, would be great to mention or neogeo or a derived MVS capacity cartridge reference playing on the gigabit possibilities offered by the neosd (infinite or flash fonctionality)

This it for now :) , some rushed feedback, take it or leave it, at least I've contributed :)


Hello,

Small update on the stickers.




https://s15.postimg.org/a6003yc8r/mvs_label_design.png

Let us know what you think about.

Thanks

Sceptre_JLRB
12-07-2016, 06:49 AM
The sticker is PERFECT! :buttrock:
Best design showed. Nice job!

benjiedude
12-07-2016, 06:57 AM
Hello,

Small update on the stickers.




https://s15.postimg.org/a6003yc8r/mvs_label_design.png

Let us know what you think about.

Thanks

Going in the right direction here. I agree it tends to look a bit empty, perhaps enlarging the NeoSD logo a bit. Adding the red as formally suggested to keep in line with other AES carts for the AES version would work as well.

Mikekim
12-07-2016, 07:20 AM
had a quick play on photoshop with labels for my MVS shelled version of the cart.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/924/b4KWrL.png

GadgetUK
12-07-2016, 08:03 AM
The latest sticker design looks great!!!

Razoola
12-07-2016, 08:07 AM
What would be helpfull neosd if you took the artworks, and printed off a copy to size (does not have to be full quality) and then tape it onto your shell and post a photo of that. This helps demostrate how it will look in reality.

hyper
12-07-2016, 08:14 AM
can somebody mock up a "8man super mega baller deluxe edition" label

pls ty

hyper
12-07-2016, 08:17 AM
http://i.imgur.com/EitwgYo.jpg

benjiedude
12-07-2016, 10:02 AM
What would be helpfull neosd if you took the artworks, and printed off a copy to size (does not have to be full quality) and then tape it onto your shell and post a photo of that. This helps demostrate how it will look in reality.

Totally agree on this.

neosd
12-07-2016, 10:25 AM
Hello

We will try to do it about next week for sure, once Alien feels that the design is mature enough.

We still dont have a date for the shells, factory is doint changes on the mold right now, its really bad times for factory work cause christmas.

We keep doing overwork to make the product better and better everyday.

Thanks



What would be helpfull neosd if you took the artworks, and printed off a copy to size (does not have to be full quality) and then tape it onto your shell and post a photo of that. This helps demostrate how it will look in reality.

Razoola
12-07-2016, 10:47 AM
You have the proto shell from the video you can use. A quick print or the artwork via a standard inkjet printer, then sellotape it to that shell would do the job to see how the current design would look. I have done this with artwork many times in the past, its the only way to see how it will look before you commit the final design to the printers. Then you have to think about paper choice etc

benjiedude
12-07-2016, 11:14 AM
You have the proto shell from the video you can use. A quick print or the artwork via a standard inkjet printer, then sellotape it to that shell would do the job to see how the current design would look. I have done this with artwork many times in the past, its the only way to see how it will look before you commit the final design to the printers. Then you have to think about paper choice etc

Yes, yes and yes please. Great ideas Razoola

aku
12-07-2016, 12:21 PM
quickly added some "goldish" lines...looks pretty finished...at least for me^^

41158

Niko
12-07-2016, 12:28 PM
quickly added some "goldish" lines...looks pretty finished...at least for me^^

41158

EDIT: NVM I see why its like that now.

Montatez
12-07-2016, 12:29 PM
quickly added some "goldish" lines...looks pretty finished...at least for me^^

41158

That I like.

JMKurtz
12-07-2016, 12:31 PM
That would be really cool if they can have those printed with gold foil on those stripes.

Black_Tiger
12-07-2016, 12:49 PM
I've been working on my own label design in case I decide to replace the official one, but that mockup with gold lines is now nice enough that I'd probably stick with it.

alienpdx
12-07-2016, 01:04 PM
i cant see any of the attachment , most likely due to my level of noobness on this forum.
got another link ?

Rot
12-07-2016, 01:05 PM
i cant see any of the attachment , most likely due to my level of noobness on this forum.
got another link ?

I will resolve that now...

xROTx

PS. Done...

EDIT... Even Jeff is amazed by my awesomeness:D

aku
12-07-2016, 01:06 PM
http://imgur.com/a/gtaUQ

quick & dirty :)

alienpdx
12-07-2016, 01:22 PM
thx for fixing, rot

the gold lines, its funny ,coz i just added mvs-red lines this afternoon in a spare minute ;)

https://snag.gy/b7FyBn.jpg , dont really like the floating lines on the right in the gold-lines design , they look random (but thats just me ;) )

juanjuan
12-07-2016, 01:28 PM
The gold lines make the difference. Looking great!

pipes
12-07-2016, 02:48 PM
That's sexy as hell. I'd ditch the lines to the right of the logo though.

fenikso
12-07-2016, 03:02 PM
The lines (both the red and the gold version) add a ton to picture. Nice nod to the home games.

aoiddr
12-07-2016, 03:26 PM
12/5 - "Dispatch from the point of origin international office". Progress...

Says the same thing for me, just 12/4 on mine.

benjiedude
12-07-2016, 03:34 PM
Now we're getting somewhere! Gold lines are sweet! I agree...a foil print would be excellent.

Update: just saw the red lines too on Alien's update. Like it better.

GadgetUK
12-07-2016, 04:05 PM
I like those gold lines as well, but should they be red?

Jontox
12-07-2016, 04:31 PM
These two stripes add definitely something to the sticker...
Between red and gold, I would prefer the gold but more pronounced and shiny. I think these really need to be on top of everything, no shadow or transparency effect.
For the color, as least for me, GOLD cries for AES and RED for MVS (see my point 5 below)

Does this color association remind you something (see below) ?

Hereunder more in-depth advise after my first rushed feedback:

1- My point is that your neosd logo has a tiny of this blue color (see picture below) in there and feel not completely integrated on the metal background, too contrasted without any transition or color gradient. What about a color gradient with that same blue that would permit a smoother transition and put the neosd logo more in evidence.
2- The MVS logo on the upper right hand feels really too small at least for the text underneath it Multi Video System, it doesn't seem it will be nice once printed.
3- I'm not spanish at all, but what about a MADE IN SPAIN on the below right hand corner ?
4- The two horizontal stripes are inspired from this type of offical design (see second picture), it doesn't seem too awkward for me.
5- The difference from MVS or AES could potentially only be the AES or MVS logo swapping or changing as well the color of the stripes...

Just my 2 cents, these remarks are not a critic but constructive :), ... more on next picture update ...

41169
41172






thx for fixing, rot

the gold lines, its funny ,coz i just added mvs-red lines this afternoon in a spare minute ;)

https://snag.gy/b7FyBn.jpg , dont really like the floating lines on the right in the gold-lines design , they look random (but thats just me ;) )

poodude
12-07-2016, 07:10 PM
Blue lines in the same color as the neoSD logo would look pretty sick. You could even do "2016 Made In Spain" under the horizontal lines.

Xian Xi
12-07-2016, 09:40 PM
The electric arcing around the NeoSD logo needs to pop more. Kinda like my Avatar but not as extreme.

manic23
12-08-2016, 02:37 AM
Loving the new gold enhanced label, looks awesome :)

Razoola
12-08-2016, 05:22 AM
Im also of the opinion the gold adds something. I'm not sure of the 2 hortz lines though. Maybe the NeoSD logo needs to be moved right slightly (so its centered in the tank shadow) and those hortz lines either shortened or removed.

dragonpt
12-08-2016, 08:02 AM
So the ng.dev stuff is not working?

Who cares?
This are not original games..

Just homebrew stuff

leonk
12-08-2016, 09:55 AM
Anyone else thinking that under the main "NeoSD" title it should say "MAX 768 MEGA" and "PRO-GEAR SPEC" :)

GadgetUK
12-08-2016, 11:27 AM
Anyone else thinking that under the main "NeoSD" title it should say "MAX 768 MEGA" and "PRO-GEAR SPEC" :)

I quite liked the original 'MAX INFINTE SPEC'.

Jontox
12-08-2016, 01:16 PM
Definitely need to be there in a way or another

'INFINITE MEGA'
'PRO-GEAR SPEC'

:glee:



I quite liked the original 'MAX INFINTE SPEC'.

nio
12-08-2016, 02:25 PM
Who cares?
This are not original games..

Just homebrew stuff

I dont realy care. I was just asking.

I am curently playing pulstar without any sound problems. But a lot of skill problems. (i die a lot!)

nornor1
12-08-2016, 04:38 PM
Anyone in "Murica"! get theirs yet?

tcdev
12-08-2016, 05:07 PM
I am curently playing pulstar without any sound problems. But a lot of skill problems. (i die a lot!)
Hmm... I was about to order the AES cart... but if I'm still going to have skill problems too, then perhaps it's not all it's cracked up to be... :loco:

poodude
12-08-2016, 05:47 PM
Definitely need to be there in a way or another

'INFINITE MEGA'
'PRO-GEAR SPEC'

:glee:

But..... It's not infinite. It can only hold one game in flash with a ceiling in ROM size. :/

cyd
12-08-2016, 08:09 PM
Anyone in "Murica"! get theirs yet?

Negative... :(

mr_flaps
12-08-2016, 08:36 PM
Neosd team. Just a thought. I see that you erase the cart before every reflash of the rom. What would happen if you didn't erase the rom and just wrote over the top of the last game? I'm thinking if I have a smaller game on the card and I over write it with a bigger game, wouldn't it just over write it and work the same as if it was erased? maybe erase the card if I have a larger game on the card and I wanna flash over it wth a smaller game (if this prevents the game from working) It won't only speed up the flashing in some cases but it would also prolong the life of the Memory on the cart.

tcdev
12-08-2016, 10:35 PM
Neosd team. Just a thought. I see that you erase the cart before every reflash of the rom. What would happen if you didn't erase the rom and just wrote over the top of the last game?
That's not how flash works. You can only write 0 bits to flash, not 1 bits, so simply overwriting the game will result in rubbish data (unless you're using the Infinite Improbability Drive, then you'll end up with a completely new and awesome original game!) That's why you need to erase (set all bits to '1') and what's more, erasing can only be done in blocks.

Besides, these guys are pretty cluey - don't you suppose they'd have already thought of that if it was possible? :smirk:

greedostick
12-09-2016, 12:21 AM
Just curious if anyone in the USA received theirs yet? I'm getting antsy.

@ NeoSD

After the stellar job on this one, do you have any future plans for similar products?

Jontox
12-09-2016, 01:24 AM
But..... It's not infinite. It can only hold one game in flash with a ceiling in ROM size. :/

You are right, my bad, NeoSd Flash size is 768 MEGA

'768 MEGA FLASH'
'PRO-GEAR SPEC'

greedostick
12-09-2016, 01:54 AM
They should just make the splash and front end customizable if its not already. Im sure there are plenty of people here that would make custom designs and host them.

neosd
12-09-2016, 03:46 AM
@ NeoSD

After the stellar job on this one, do you have any future plans for similar products?

Hello,

The answer is YES, we have plans for other products, but we are not going to tell what we will be working at, or anounce anything, until its finished.

You only know that you have a product when its working, until that you have nothing, telling you are working in something that you may not be able to deliver is pretty unfair.
I hope you understand that, we dont belive in hype or smoke, we only believe in facts.

Thanks

dragonpt
12-09-2016, 05:02 AM
I dont realy care. I was just asking.

I am curently playing pulstar without any sound problems. But a lot of skill problems. (i die a lot!)

I have the same "problem" with Pulstar xD

IMA cheater.. I just use unibios cheats when I start loosing much ha

xsq
12-09-2016, 05:20 AM
https://snag.gy/b7FyBn.jpg
The latest label design looks very nice, I like how minimalistic it is. Good stuff.
But I have to agree with some of the folks here that it looks better if the lines are floating/above everything else and a little larger (like in aku's mockup). I would stay with just the two vertical ones, the short horizontal ones divert too much from the rest of the label and it's better if the NEOSD logo has that "space to breathe".

As to the color of the stripes: Red is a very good contrast color and works well with the rest of the design, while I could imagine gold might clash with the silver background. And I guess gold would increase the price? Jontox suggestion of red=MVS, gold=homecart sounds interesting to me, too.

aku
12-09-2016, 06:56 AM
....suggestion of red=MVS, gold=homecart sounds interesting to me, too.

BUUUHHH!!! BUUUHHH!!
GOLD, GOLD, GOLD!!

nio
12-09-2016, 07:32 AM
Is there some neo geo book out there? actually i want something that contains every manual of ever game, or at least that 1 page of the manual with the story ... i guess thats not really legal, but there are a lot of artwork books for other consoles ..

Gummy Bear
12-09-2016, 07:50 AM
Dancing monkey is still work in progress, dont loose the faith on that

Thanks

If you succeed, can that be optional?
I hate that damn monkey...

GohanX
12-09-2016, 11:44 AM
Ban for blasphemy imo

Nostromo
12-09-2016, 12:32 PM
Got my JNX consolized today. Tonight its NeoSD testing time :)

Rot
12-09-2016, 12:37 PM
Got my JNX consolized today. Tonight its NeoSD testing time :)

Shush n00b... you don't even play games...

xROTx

Nostromo
12-09-2016, 02:12 PM
<3 Rot!!!

Anyway, played Pulstar and Neo Drift Out. All ok :)
Except I need to gid gud at Pulstar.

loganm187
12-09-2016, 02:30 PM
Hey NeoSD man! I accidentally placed two orders, but one was a money wire request, so no refund is needed. #IYEPEDTOS Please cancel that when you can.

I placed another order through credit card and it went through great :)

BlackaneseNiNjA
12-09-2016, 02:40 PM
Is there some neo geo book out there? actually i want something that contains every manual of ever game, or at least that 1 page of the manual with the story ... i guess thats not really legal, but there are a lot of artwork books for other consoles ..

Whats up nio. This actually does exist, but the books are comepletely in japanese. There are two books that contain the content you described exactly. One details all the games and their plots from the early aes releases and the other book details information from the first waves of neo geo cd releases. The other neo geo books tend to focus on only the fighting genre games, but they may also have what you are looking for. Check out the following books:

Neo Geo no Subete
Neo Geo CD Perfect guide (also try "Neo Geo CD kanzen guide")
All About SNK

neosd
12-09-2016, 02:46 PM
Hello,

Done, thanks for leting us know it.




Hey NeoSD man! I accidentally placed two orders, but one was a money wire request, so no refund is needed. #IYEPEDTOS Please cancel that when you can.

I placed another order through credit card and it went through great :)

Sceptre_JLRB
12-09-2016, 07:00 PM
Here you have in exclusive premiere a short footage showing how impressive the Neo-Geo, the NeoSD and homebrew developers are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3W1319DyxQ&t=2s

Enjoy! :qcf::A:

One100bill
12-09-2016, 09:18 PM
Just placed my order!!! Thank you NEOSD for this awesome product and everyone else for the very informative thread. Can't wait for it to arrive.

nio
12-09-2016, 11:58 PM
Whats up nio. This actually does exist, but the books are comepletely in japanese. There are two books that contain the content you described exactly. One details all the games and their plots from the early aes releases and the other book details information from the first waves of neo geo cd releases. The other neo geo books tend to focus on only the fighting genre games, but they may also have what you are looking for. Check out the following books:

Neo Geo no Subete
Neo Geo CD Perfect guide (also try "Neo Geo CD kanzen guide")
All About SNK

cool thanks, i want zhat in english :-)

Nostromo
12-10-2016, 01:56 AM
Is it possible to register the serial number on the site yet? I am getting:

Serial not found
This product serial number is not found in the system.

fille1976
12-10-2016, 02:53 AM
nice that street fighter

neosd
12-10-2016, 04:01 AM
Hello,

Still not, we will enable it when we have the first update ready.
First update will come with fast loading, bugfixes and more functions such as dissable sram backuping and other things we are working at.


There is still no release date, cause we just want to release a big update with everything validated, instead of multi small updates.

Thnaks


Is it possible to register the serial number on the site yet? I am getting:

Serial not found
This product serial number is not found in the system.

nio
12-10-2016, 05:28 AM
Please make the update process as easy as possible. Just store the serial somewhere. I just want to download something but it on the sd card and go! I dont want to soldire wires, i dont want to register on 5 different sites and pray for the power to stay on.

Rot
12-10-2016, 05:32 AM
Please make the update process as easy as possible. Just store the serial somewhere. I just want to download something but it on the sd card and go! I dont want to soldire wires, i dont want to register on 5 different sites and pray for the power to stay on.

?

neodev
12-10-2016, 05:49 AM
Please make the update process as easy as possible. Just store the serial somewhere. I just want to download something but it on the sd card and go! I dont want to soldire wires, i dont want to register on 5 different sites and pray for the power to stay on.

The update process is easy. Just download the update for your neosd serial from the homepage, place it in your sd and boot to the neosd menu in your mvs. A popup will appear notifying about the new update in the sd. Just press A to start updating and after about 20 seconds the process will finish and the mvs will reboot.

If you lose power during update, there are ways to rewrite the update without the menu.

nio
12-10-2016, 05:56 AM
Sounds fair, i am still nervous about it.

greatfunky
12-10-2016, 06:17 AM
I've made an update on my neosd, don't be nervous it's so easy:-J

Razoola
12-10-2016, 06:17 AM
The updating is really very easy... I have done it many times already. As gadgetUK has mentioned also, you can update even if the UI is unusable for any reason.

nio
12-10-2016, 06:20 AM
On the cart/neosd/neogeo or do you have to cennect to some stm32 board thingy?

Razoola
12-10-2016, 06:25 AM
On the cart/neosd/neogeo or do you have to cennect to some stm32 board thingy?

You simply copy the firmware file onto the SDcard, there is no need to use other hardware at all to upgrade.

greatfunky
12-10-2016, 06:31 AM
Maybe nio is talking about in case of something goes wrong , update without menu ?

....i assume the update is the same way in that situation ....

neosd
12-10-2016, 06:45 AM
Maybe nio is talking about in case of something goes wrong , update without menu ?

....i assume the update is the same way in that situation ....

There is a seccond way to update from sd, in case the first one fails.

Thanks

nio
12-10-2016, 08:58 AM
Solid product! Very good.

nornor1
12-12-2016, 01:57 PM
Cant wait to get my hands on my NeoSD. Im in the USA. Any day now :)

41281

nornor1
12-12-2016, 05:56 PM
Peeps in the USA, check your MailBoxes!!!! Mine just came in. Im in Texas. Im still AT work AAAAARRRRGGHHHHH.

aoiddr
12-12-2016, 05:59 PM
Mine arrived today. I had to sign for it.

Will test it out later tonight.

Neodogg
12-12-2016, 10:24 PM
Woo State side bitches

Rot
12-13-2016, 02:24 AM
AAAANNNDD... the US guys are starting to get the Neosd...

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder428/63012428.jpg

xROTx

PS. You realise guys... I'm just here for the lulz... don't you?:keke:

yoshi41
12-13-2016, 06:42 AM
Got mine this morning and did some quick tests with AES converters. Here the results...


+--------------------+--------------------------------+--------------------------------+
| | Original BIOS | UniBIOS 3.1 |
+--------------------+-------------+------------------+-------------+------------------+
| | NeoSD Menu | Run Flashed Game | NeoSD Menu | Run Flashed Game |
+--------------------+-------------+------------------+-------------+------------------+
| Daedalus Converter | Not Working | WORKS | WORKS | WORKS |
+--------------------+-------------+------------------+-------------+------------------+
| Fusion Converter | Not Working | WORKS | Not Working | WORKS |
+--------------------+-------------+------------------+-------------+------------------+

The only combination where I can flash games seems to be Daedalus + UniBIOS.

Looking forward to other test results.

First impression; solid piece of work. Big thanks to NeoSD for making us happy with the first Neo Geo flash card. :)

PS: Packaging has definitively room for improvement. My cardbox was in a really bad shape and the 2 PCBs looked liked a V. :scratch: Fortunately, the connectors were not hurt. A bigger, sturdy box with enough packet wadding would be more appropriate.

Razoola
12-13-2016, 08:00 AM
Got mine this morning and did some quick tests with AES converters. Here the results...


+--------------------+--------------------------------+--------------------------------+
| | Original BIOS | UniBIOS 3.1 |
+--------------------+-------------+------------------+-------------+------------------+
| | NeoSD Menu | Run Flashed Game | NeoSD Menu | Run Flashed Game |
+--------------------+-------------+------------------+-------------+------------------+
| Daedalus Converter | Not Working | WORKS | WORKS | WORKS |
+--------------------+-------------+------------------+-------------+------------------+
| Fusion Converter | Not Working | WORKS | Not Working | WORKS |
+--------------------+-------------+------------------+-------------+------------------+

The only combination where I can flash games seems to be Daedalus + UniBIOS.

Looking forward to other test results.

First impression; solid piece of work. Big thanks to NeoSD for making us happy with the first Neo Geo flash card. :)

PS: Packaging has definitively room for improvement. My cardbox was in a really bad shape and the 2 PCBs looked liked a V. :scratch: Fortunately, the connectors were not hurt. A bigger, sturdy box with enough packet wadding would be more appropriate.

Try again with the stock bios + deadalus but make sure the NeoSD settings are set to bios first. You dont want it in MVS mode on an AES without unibios.

yoshi41
12-13-2016, 08:35 AM
Try again with the stock bios + deadalus but make sure the NeoSD settings are set to bios first. You dont want it in MVS mode on an AES without unibios.

This seems to be the default.

These are my (untouched) settings...

System Mode = BIOS
Region = BIOS
Arcade Mode = NO
Save/Restore Back RAM = YES

All of them are greyed out and can't be changed. Probably because UniBIOS has been detected. And with the stock BIOS, I don't get into the menu.

I could try to force to use AES.

Razoola
12-13-2016, 08:39 AM
yes, try force aes.

yoshi41
12-13-2016, 08:50 AM
yes, try force aes.

Just grabbed my 1-slot MVS and tried on a Sega cab. Ironically, it also has UniBIOS installed and doesn't let me change those options. :D

Now only 2 options are greyed out...

System Mode = BIOS
Region = BIOS

Seems I'm unable to do it. :scratch:

Razoola
12-13-2016, 09:08 AM
what happens on aes+stock bios/deadelus if you hold start button from power on?

neosd
12-13-2016, 09:08 AM
Hello,

If NEOSD detects UNIBIOS, it wont let you change those options, thats why you have those in grey

Thanks


Just grabbed my 1-slot MVS and tried on a Sega cab. Ironically, it also has UniBIOS installed and doesn't let me change those options. :D

Now only 2 options are greyed out...

System Mode = BIOS
Region = BIOS

Seems I'm unable to do it. :scratch:

NeoTurfMasta
12-13-2016, 09:16 AM
For those who got it here in the US, did your tracking information ever show it was delivered?

yoshi41
12-13-2016, 09:49 AM
what happens on aes+stock bios/deadelus if you hold start button from power on?

Very good! Thanks Raz. :buttrock:

This works with the Daedalus (doesn't help with the Fusion).

So, this is my updated AES converter test result...


+--------------------+--------------------------------+--------------------------------+
| | Original BIOS | UniBIOS 3.1 |
+--------------------+-------------+------------------+-------------+------------------+
| | NeoSD Menu | Run Flashed Game | NeoSD Menu | Run Flashed Game |
+--------------------+-------------+------------------+-------------+------------------+
| Daedalus Converter | WORKS (*) | WORKS | WORKS | WORKS |
+--------------------+-------------+------------------+-------------+------------------+
| Fusion Converter | Not Working | WORKS | Not Working | WORKS |
+--------------------+-------------+------------------+-------------+------------------+

(*) Hold START while powering on. Flash the game and put BOOT MODE to GAME (NeoSD Options). Turn the AES off/on to start the game. Thanks Raz for your help.


PS: Hope the shell arrives soon. Inserting those PCBs into converters is a real pain. ;)

Razoola
12-13-2016, 09:55 AM
That's great. Just wanted to add that while running the MVS NeoSD on an AES / deadalus (or other converter) you'll probably want to make sure the backupRAM save feature is disabled/off.

yoshi41
12-13-2016, 10:10 AM
That's great. Just wanted to add that while running the MVS NeoSD on an AES / deadalus (or other converter) you'll probably want to make sure the backupRAM save feature is disabled/off.

Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, for those with AES only, it can't be changed.

Here's a summary of the disabled (greyed out) NeoSD options. Those are all factory (first batch, first firmware) defaults.

AES with UniBIOS

System Mode = BIOS
Region = BIOS
Arcade Mode = NO
Save/Restore Back RAM = YES

AES with stock BIOS

System Mode = BIOS
Arcade Mode = NO
Save/Restore Back RAM = YES

MVS with UniBIOS

System Mode = BIOS
Region = BIOS

I don't have a stock BIOS MVS. I assume all options are changeable there.

Maybe it would make sense, to (factory) default that backup RAM save feature to NO.

Razoola
12-13-2016, 10:15 AM
Maybe it would make sense, to (factory) default that backup RAM save feature to NO.

Yes your right it would but lets remember using a converter is not officially supported. Its great it does appear usable (with being able to flash) on at least one converter though until the full AES version is released.

greatfunky
12-13-2016, 11:38 AM
Good news for Daedalus' owners

I'm not surprised that the converter is working better with unibios .

When i tried neosd with my magic key, i got a totally scrambled menu but i noticed fille1976 with the same converter and a unibios had a less scrambled screen, at least all the back of the menu appeared .

Anyway, i sold my magic key converter , installed an unibios from Raz and ordered a neosd AES for my console , the best thing to do in my case for sure :)

PS : yoshi41 should try kof 2003 and SVC on his converter

fille1976
12-13-2016, 12:39 PM
gona buy next year 1 for my aes.

Yodd
12-13-2016, 02:29 PM
For those who got it here in the US, did your tracking information ever show it was delivered?

Still waiting on mine and the tracking number still doesn't show it even entering the US.

grandmascrack
12-13-2016, 02:42 PM
Still waiting on mine and the tracking number still doesn't show it even entering the US.
Same.

aoiddr
12-13-2016, 03:13 PM
Still waiting on mine and the tracking number still doesn't show it even entering the US.

Mine never tracked either. My postman just showed up with it one day, hooking their horn for me to come outside to sign for it.

massimiliano
12-13-2016, 04:53 PM
Same here..Correos tracking *sucks*, it is not even recognized by USPS system (usualky foreing shipments appear tgere after entering US)

7€ shipment is cheap, but I strongly suggest to give people more than one option...like a fedex, faster and trackable.

Rot
12-13-2016, 04:59 PM
Same here..Correos tracking *sucks*, it is not even recognized by USPS system (usualky foreing shipments appear tgere after entering US)

7€ shipment is cheap, but I strongly suggest to give people more than one option...like a fedex, faster and trackable.

This was the first time they did it Massi pal...

There will be a new shipping function via a specialist courier soon... meh... teething problems my friend...

Live and learn...

xROTx

massimiliano
12-13-2016, 05:32 PM
This was the first time they did it Massi pal...

There will be a new shipping function via a specialist courier soon... meh... teething problems my friend...

Live and learn...

xROTx

Agree...I'm sure they appreciate my constructive feedback...after all that's how they can improve right?

aoiddr
12-13-2016, 06:17 PM
In the case of the Cart Shells, I don't mind if those are shipped a slower, untracked method (a la unregistered SAL).

caldwert
12-13-2016, 11:52 PM
Mine showed up today, never bothered to track it, trusted in the smoke signals. Probably will wait to mess with it til the shell shows up.

poodude
12-14-2016, 12:02 AM
I just got my NeoSD in the mail today, and finally got it to work correctly kind of. It appears to draw quite a lot of power. I kept trying it in both of my motherboards and it kept going right to the cross hatch screen. Just a word of warning to others if this happens to you, try bumping the voltage up to 5.1V. That's what did the trick for me.

I also noticed on this stock bios AOF3 glitched and rebooted mid fight on my MV1FS stock bios. Will have to test further, and with other games yet.

I can confirm these cards and mother boards working so far:
regular sandisk 8 gb card
16gb sandisk extreme pro

motherboards:

MV1FS stock bios: working
Mv1FZS unibios 3.0 & neoBiosMasta: not working, boot to cross-hatch screen

cabs:
Astro City
Egret II

I still have more things to test, not sure why its not booting on the MV1FZS. I'll have to try pulling the neobiosMasta.

Low power = crosshatch screen
41314

neosd
12-14-2016, 01:08 AM
Hello,

From what you say, i would try another PSU, no one has reported such issues and we never had those aswel.
I can confirm NEOSD works fine with 4,92V, you may be having voltage issues. And no, NEOSD dosent draws more power than 161 in 1 for example.

Thanks


I just got my NeoSD in the mail today, and finally got it to work correctly kind of. It appears to draw quite a lot of power. I kept trying it in both of my motherboards and it kept going right to the cross hatch screen. Just a word of warning to others if this happens to you, try bumping the voltage up to 5.1V. That's what did the trick for me.

I also noticed on this stock bios AOF3 glitched and rebooted mid fight on my MV1FS stock bios. Will have to test further, and with other games yet.

I can confirm these cards and mother boards working so far:
regular sandisk 8 gb card
16gb sandisk extreme pro

motherboards:

MV1FS stock bios: working
Mv1FZS unibios 3.0 & neoBiosMasta: not working, boot to cross-hatch screen

cabs:
Astro City
Egret II

I still have more things to test, not sure why its not booting on the MV1FZS. I'll have to try pulling the neobiosMasta.

Low power = crosshatch screen
41314

poodude
12-14-2016, 02:00 AM
Hello,

From what you say, i would try another PSU, no one has reported such issues and we never had those aswel.
I can confirm NEOSD works fine with 4,92V, you may be having voltage issues. And no, NEOSD dosent draws more power than 161 in 1 for example.

Thanks

It looks like you are correct. My original voltage must have been lower than the 4.9v you tested at. Both original carts and 161 in 1 worked fine for me. Bumping it up just over 5v fixed it.

I ran a voltage test and both original carts and neoSD had a voltage under load on my cab at 5.05v. the 161 in 1 was running at 5.03v-5.04v. Base voltage with mobo was 5.07v

yoshi41
12-14-2016, 04:02 AM
PS : yoshi41 should try kof 2003 and SVC on his converter

Tested both games for a couple of rounds. They work fine.

Hell, that SVC game feels so strange, if you're used to SF. Like a car with the handbrake on. :D

kaironman
12-14-2016, 04:28 AM
I ordered an MVS cart yesterday, can't wait to receive it.

Good work!

Hello neosd!

Whats the stimated time of manufacture and shipping for an MVS cart that I ordered 12/05?

Thanks!

tcdev
12-14-2016, 04:50 AM
And no, NEOSD dosent draws more power than 161 in 1 for example.
Yes, I was going to say that I very much doubt the NeoSD would draw more current than some of the large multicarts out there! :spock:

neodev
12-14-2016, 04:58 AM
Yes, I was going to say that I very much doubt the NeoSD would draw more current than some of the large multicarts out there! :spock:


I took some quick power draw values for the cart. These values are measured in a MV-1F board, on the 5V rail. They include both the neosd and the MVS power, because of that, it's hard to get an absolute measurement, as it depends on the MVS power consumption, and it varies depending on what's on screen.

MVS Idle in unibios cross-hatch with no cart: 0.87A
MVS Idle in unibios cross-hatch with neosd: 1.10A : 230mA power difference

MVS with original Metal Slug X cart on attract: 1.05A
MVS with neosd Metal Slug X on atract: 1.17A : 120mA power difference

MVS with original Spinmaster cart on attract: 1.00A
MVS with neosd Metal Slug X on atract: 1.17A : 170mA power difference

neosd flashing peak consumption: 1.35A, that is 480mA over an empty MVS, and 250mA over attract power consumption.

I don't have a xxx in 1 to test, but I guess they will draw more power, seeing they cause a bigger drop in voltage.
Games power consumption varies during game (probably due to different maskrom types being used), while neosd is consistent

So with these values, the conclusions are:

neosd consumes about 230mA, while a standard (of the simple ones) cart draws between 130 and 150mA. I haven't tested with latest original carts that have more complex chips and protections, as I don't have any but they will probably be closer to neosd. That's in line with what we expected, it has a lot more hardware to power, and runs at fairly high clock rates, while those tested original carts are mostly passive (msx has a protection chip).

Power draw is higher during flashing, that's expected, as it's erasing and flashing many chips in parallel, and also accessing the sd card.

On a side note, NeoSD can be powered with as less as 4V, and it will work (probably even with less), but the rest of the MVS won't, so if your power supply is right at the limit of what the MVS requires (4.9V is a safe minimum) it may happen that your MVS resets while flashing due to the increased power draw causing a voltage drop below the limit, but NeoSD will keep flashing data. If you experience this issues, just crank your power supply voltage up a bit.
Also if your power supply has a dial with marked voltage values, don't trust them, measure the actual voltage (the jamma connector is a good place), so it takes into account the voltage drop caused by the hardware.

Any arcade or PC PSU is capable of powering an 1 slot MVS with neosd without any trouble.

It would be nice if someone capable of measuring the power draw of his MVS, and with one of the latest games (svc, kof2003, garou..) could measure the value of his MVS in the crosshatch screen and in-game, just to check if they are closer to neosd as expected.

manic23
12-14-2016, 07:53 AM
Thanks to the person who uploaded this artwork (sorry was unable to find the post to get your name) I am all ready to house my NeoSD on Christmas morning :)

Edit: It was aku thanks aku :)

41318
41319

MattBlah
12-14-2016, 08:47 AM
Any news on the shells? Sorry if I missed it.

Yodd
12-14-2016, 09:15 AM
I notice that that artwork has Arcade Works Omega logo on it in the bottom center of the front of the insert.

Did anyone ask Quan for permission to use that?

NeoTurfMasta
12-14-2016, 09:40 AM
My NeoSD arrived today. Pity I wont have a lot of time to mess with it for a while.

xsq
12-14-2016, 09:45 AM
I notice that that artwork has Arcade Works Omega logo on it in the bottom center of the front of the insert.

Did anyone ask Quan for permission to use that?
first thing I saw/thought as well...

aku
12-14-2016, 10:52 AM
I notice that that artwork has Arcade Works Omega logo on it in the bottom center of the front of the insert.

Did anyone ask Quan for permission to use that?

my first, personal version had the logo & it was available in this thread for around 15 minutes before an updated version was online. the "official version" updated in this thread / sent to dan does not have the omega logo. it even has some extra lines on the backside.

the insert on the photo is the "old version" (missing windjammers, with omega logo) - somebody also added the MVS logo (front, spine). but yeah, it looks good.

tcdev
12-14-2016, 05:59 PM
Thanks to the person who uploaded this artwork (sorry was unable to find the post to get your name) I am all ready to house my NeoSD on Christmas morning :)
I shan't imagine that my AES NeoSD will ever require storage of any kind!?! :)

nornor1
12-14-2016, 06:37 PM
I shan't imagine that my AES NeoSD will ever require storage of any kind!?! :)

Yeah the shell should come with Locking tabs, so that once you insert it it stays in forever :).

Razoola
12-15-2016, 04:18 AM
Plea for Neo Geo game preservation help

Given the NeoSD may lead some of you Neo Geo collectors selling you Neo Geo games I wanted to appeal to your inner geekygamer for a minute or two.

Can you please check any original games you own (AES or MVS) and run them through the Universe Bios crc32 check and drop me a PM if you find any that fail with 'NG' or '??' (even if they are not in the list below).

There are game revisions known to be unpreserved and as a new NeoSD owner it would be in your interest (and all of ours) to get these preserved.

Below is a list of games that are known not to be preserved at this time. There will be more!



Games not in MAME that *FAIL* UNIVERSE BIOS CRC check
-----------------------------------------------------

Metal Slug 3 (encrypted) ROM REGION - 9763419E (fail) SMA may be different
Pulster ROM REGION - 40BD5336 (fail)
SNK vs Capcom ROM REGION - 94073c7c (fail) this is a bootleg
World Heroes ROM REGION - CE096709 (fail)
Puzzle Bobble ROM REGION - 3B213B8C6 (fail) crc typo here


Games not in MAME that *PASS* UNIVERSE BIOS CRC check
-----------------------------------------------------

King of Fighters '99 ROM REGION - 7464D989 (fail) Korean ver, 0151 ID, has SMA on prog PCB


Reported Games that have failures (probably cart faults but you never know)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

King of Fighters '98 ROM REGION - BA09784A (pass)
ROM BANK 0 - 1EFA8D4D (pass)
ROM BANK 1 - F1AC3C58 (fail)
ROM BANK 2 - 2E72246C (pass)
ROM BANK 3 - 3B014944 (pass)

King of Fighters '2001 ROM REGION - 938175OD (pass)
ROM BANK 0 - 59152D64 (pass)
ROM BANK 1 - 73DD4705 (fail)
ROM BANK 2 - F92DD3B7 (fail)
ROM BANK 3 - AA1BABAD (pass)

King of Fighters '2002 ROM REGION - 9EDE7323 (pass)
ROM BANK 0 - 9E586A5C (pass)
ROM BANK 1 - DD53D452 (pass)
ROM BANK 2 - ADC6555F (pass)
ROM BANK 3 - 6EAF9308 (fail)


It recently came to my attention there was a Korean Real Bout Fatal Fury in need of preservation and with the help of the game owner this is now in the process of being preserved forever.



Universe Bios crc32 report.

41350

Note the color of Kim Kaphwan.

41349

PCBs.

41351

neosd
12-15-2016, 04:54 AM
Any news on the shells? Sorry if I missed it.


Hello,

Sorry for the late answer, we were looking to have a more aproximated answer about shells today, but we still dont have it.

Right now we are waiting for the factory to end mold work, we werent happy with some small issues on the injection tests, so we decided to not rush the shells and ask for some small modifications on the mold.
You know, once you say the mold its ok, you cant ask for more changes on the mold anymore . So our decision was to have a perfect shell ratter than something rushed and not perfect.

Next week we have another meeting at mold factory so we will have more info.
Its pretty bad dates for factory work cause christmass and so many party days.

About next MVS batch : PCBS will arrive next week. We were at the factory yesterday, pcbs were finished and solder work will start next monday.
So as we will know more about the shells next week, our plan is :

To know when mold work will be finished to make another injection test and see if everything is ok (aprox date).

If shipping date for the shells is not near, we will offer to everyone that purchashed neosd mvs+ shell, to ship the pcbs now and send the shells once those are ready to be shipped (at no extra charge).
Another option will be offer UPS shipping at no extra charge to those that have ordered neosd mvs+shells (once we have the shells), for usa guys this may be even faster than if we would ship next week with correos.

Also, we are working on offer ups shipping upgrade to everyone that purchased AES, at extra cost. This upgrade should be arround 25 euros extra and UPS should deliver NEOSD aes in about 3 days (to USA and other countries) once we have the stock.
So far AES is on time, we submited factory order the day we anounced it.

So more info will come next week.

We hope you guys understand our decision about not rush the shells ratter than have a perfect product.

Thanks

neosd
12-15-2016, 06:00 AM
Hello Raz,

I have started to check my collection. Yes, i own a large collection

Do i have an undumped one ? :)

https://s24.postimg.org/uj6o85s05/King_Of_The_Monsters_2_Undumped_1.jpg

https://s24.postimg.org/sq3rju6th/King_Of_The_Monsters_2_Undumped_2.png

Thanks


Plea for Neo Geo game preservation help

Given the NeoSD may lead some of you Neo Geo collectors selling you Neo Geo games I wanted to appeal to your inner geekygamer for a minute or two.

Can you please check any original games you own (AES or MVS) and run them through the Universe Bios crc32 check and drop me a PM if you find any that fail with 'NG' or '??' (even if they are not in the list below).

There are game revisions known to be unpreserved and as a new NeoSD owner it would be in your interest (and all of ours) to get these preserved.

Below is a list of games that are known not to be preserved at this time. There will be more!



Games not in MAME that *FAIL* UNIVERSE BIOS CRC check
-----------------------------------------------------

Metal Slug 3 (encrypted) ROM REGION - 9763419E (fail) SMA may be different
Pulster ROM REGION - 40BD5336 (fail)
SNK vs Capcom ROM REGION - 94073c7c (fail) this is a bootleg
World Heroes ROM REGION - CE096709 (fail)
King of Monsters 2 ROM REGION - 3296E2B3 (fail)
Puzzle Bobble ROM REGION - 3B213B8C6 (fail) crc typo here


Games not in MAME that *PASS* UNIVERSE BIOS CRC check
-----------------------------------------------------

King of Fighters '99 ROM REGION - 7464D989 (fail) Korean ver, 0151 ID, has SMA on prog PCB


Reported Games that have failures (probably cart faults but you never know)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

King of Fighters '98 ROM REGION - BA09784A (pass)
ROM BANK 0 - 1EFA8D4D (pass)
ROM BANK 1 - F1AC3C58 (fail)
ROM BANK 2 - 2E72246C (pass)
ROM BANK 3 - 3B014944 (pass)

King of Fighters '2001 ROM REGION - 938175OD (pass)
ROM BANK 0 - 59152D64 (pass)
ROM BANK 1 - 73DD4705 (fail)
ROM BANK 2 - F92DD3B7 (fail)
ROM BANK 3 - AA1BABAD (pass)

King of Fighters '2002 ROM REGION - 9EDE7323 (pass)
ROM BANK 0 - 9E586A5C (pass)
ROM BANK 1 - DD53D452 (pass)
ROM BANK 2 - ADC6555F (pass)
ROM BANK 3 - 6EAF9308 (fail)


It recently came to my attention there was a Korean Real Bout Fatal Fury in need of preservation and with the help of the game owner this is now in the provess of being preserved forever.



Universe Bios crc32 report.

41350

Note the color of Kim Kaphwan.

41349

PCBs.

41351

Razoola
12-15-2016, 06:07 AM
neoed, yes it looks like you have, your crc32 matches one I was given before years ago. I would suggest if you can, dump the EPROMs on the PROG and CHA boards first so I can confirm its ok and legitimate. If it is then dump the rest (its likely to match stuff already but you never know).

I would just add this version you have will likely be newer version of the game that addresses bug fixes.

I did not expect a positive find so quickly.. Great news for everyone!

kaironman
12-15-2016, 06:33 AM
About next MVS batch : PCBS will arrive next week. We were at the factory yesterday, pcbs were finished and solder work will start next monday.
So as we will know more about the shells next week, our plan is :

To know when mold work will be finished to make another injection test and see if everything is ok (aprox date).

If shipping date for the shells is not near, we will offer to everyone that purchashed neosd mvs+ shell, to ship the pcbs now and send the shells once those are ready to be shipped (at no extra charge).

Thanks for the info.

Dandan
12-15-2016, 07:08 AM
Sorry if this is slightly off-topic but I couldn't help but notice it was mentioned earlier that the lovely new cart cases are universal and work for AES and MVS.
If this is correct, would it be possible to buy these cases from you?

I can see a huge demand from MVS owners wanting to replace the crummy old cases with these AES looking ones.

Rot
12-15-2016, 10:16 AM
https://twitter.com/ModernVintageG/status/809232789421903872

I love Darksoft... he enjoys it when people are trying to resolve issues... i suppose it deflects from the fact that he has no product...

Oh... .../waves at Lemony Vengeance... It's nice to see you being so supportive to the community here...

xROTx

PS. I do like to be kept informed about stuffs...

greedostick
12-15-2016, 10:25 AM
Plea for Neo Geo game preservation help

Given the NeoSD may lead some of you Neo Geo collectors selling you Neo Geo games I wanted to appeal to your inner geekygamer for a minute or two.

Can you please check any original games you own (AES or MVS) and run them through the Universe Bios crc32 check and drop me a PM if you find any that fail with 'NG' or '??' (even if they are not in the list below).

There are game revisions known to be unpreserved and as a new NeoSD owner it would be in your interest (and all of ours) to get these preserved.

Below is a list of games that are known not to be preserved at this time. There will be more!



Games not in MAME that *FAIL* UNIVERSE BIOS CRC check
-----------------------------------------------------

Metal Slug 3 (encrypted) ROM REGION - 9763419E (fail) SMA may be different
Pulster ROM REGION - 40BD5336 (fail)
SNK vs Capcom ROM REGION - 94073c7c (fail) this is a bootleg
World Heroes ROM REGION - CE096709 (fail)
King of Monsters 2 ROM REGION - 3296E2B3 (fail)
Puzzle Bobble ROM REGION - 3B213B8C6 (fail) crc typo here


Games not in MAME that *PASS* UNIVERSE BIOS CRC check
-----------------------------------------------------

King of Fighters '99 ROM REGION - 7464D989 (fail) Korean ver, 0151 ID, has SMA on prog PCB


Reported Games that have failures (probably cart faults but you never know)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

King of Fighters '98 ROM REGION - BA09784A (pass)
ROM BANK 0 - 1EFA8D4D (pass)
ROM BANK 1 - F1AC3C58 (fail)
ROM BANK 2 - 2E72246C (pass)
ROM BANK 3 - 3B014944 (pass)

King of Fighters '2001 ROM REGION - 938175OD (pass)
ROM BANK 0 - 59152D64 (pass)
ROM BANK 1 - 73DD4705 (fail)
ROM BANK 2 - F92DD3B7 (fail)
ROM BANK 3 - AA1BABAD (pass)

King of Fighters '2002 ROM REGION - 9EDE7323 (pass)
ROM BANK 0 - 9E586A5C (pass)
ROM BANK 1 - DD53D452 (pass)
ROM BANK 2 - ADC6555F (pass)
ROM BANK 3 - 6EAF9308 (fail)


It recently came to my attention there was a Korean Real Bout Fatal Fury in need of preservation and with the help of the game owner this is now in the process of being preserved forever.



Universe Bios crc32 report.

41350

Note the color of Kim Kaphwan.

41349

PCBs.

41351

Ill do all my games for you next week. Think i have about 30 or more.

neosd
12-15-2016, 11:49 AM
neoed, yes it looks like you have, your crc32 matches one I was given before years ago. I would suggest if you can, dump the EPROMs on the PROG and CHA boards first so I can confirm its ok and legitimate. If it is then dump the rest (its likely to match stuff already but you never know).

I would just add this version you have will likely be newer version of the game that addresses bug fixes.

I did not expect a positive find so quickly.. Great news for everyone!

;)

https://s28.postimg.org/du48ln565/roms.jpg

Razoola
12-15-2016, 11:59 AM
:) Another looks to be preserved for future generations to enjoy.

massimiliano
12-15-2016, 12:03 PM
;)

https://s28.postimg.org/du48ln565/roms.jpg

lovely! What did you use? I just got an Hakko FR300...that thing is amazing...(and thanks for dumping it!!)

neosd
12-15-2016, 12:12 PM
lovely! What did you use? I just got an Hakko FR300...that thing is amazing...(and thanks for dumping it!!)

Hello,

Nothing fancy, i could have used something faster but i am a collector aswel, so i wont heat the pcbs :)
I used this one :
http://www.mouser.es/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=DP-200virtualkey51220000virtualkey801-DP-200

Thanks

massimiliano
12-15-2016, 12:26 PM
Hello,

Nothing fancy, i could have used something faster but i am a collector aswel, so i wont heat the pcbs :)
I used this one :
http://www.mouser.es/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=DP-200virtualkey51220000virtualkey801-DP-200

Thanks

cool! About avoiding overheating, I think a desoldering gun would be best though ;)

neosd
12-15-2016, 12:30 PM
cool! About avoiding overheating, I think a desoldering gun would be best though ;)

I agree, thing is we dont work with anything is not SMD those days. So we only have SMD tools, the rest of the tools are casual use tools, such as the one i have used to remove those roms/eproms.

It did the job BTW ...

Thanks

massimiliano
12-15-2016, 12:55 PM
I agree, thing is we dont work with anything is not SMD those days. So we only have SMD tools, the rest of the tools are casual use tools, such as the one i have used to remove those roms/eproms.

It did the job BTW ...

Thanks

SMD is something I can't even start to think about, too difficult!! I completely agree, the sucking pump is definitively a must have tool. I just wanted to share how happy I am with the Hakko...best purchase of 2016 (well, still haven't got my neosd yet!)

massimiliano
12-15-2016, 12:58 PM
btw, I don't remember exactly which game, but either KOTM or KOTM2 get "stuck" on multislot loop, not letting the other game rolling demo to kick in...hopefully the undumped romset has it fixed!

GohanX
12-15-2016, 01:27 PM
lovely! What did you use? I just got an Hakko FR300...that thing is amazing...(and thanks for dumping it!!)

I have the Hakko. I love it so much I'd have sex with it if I could.

NeoTurfMasta
12-15-2016, 01:48 PM
I have the Hakko. I love it so much I'd have sex with it if I could.

Hmmm, you planning on being the pitcher or the catcher? Asking for a friend.

GohanX
12-15-2016, 01:57 PM
I'm always the pitcher, and therein lies my problem.

massimiliano
12-15-2016, 02:11 PM
hahahah.. maybe it's the vacuum power..

btw Brian, how could you not feel attracted too by its Fisher Price look?

http://www.netpacket.it/massi/hakko_set.jpg

Rot
12-15-2016, 02:14 PM
Massi pal...

That's the cleanest workspace I have ever scene.... are you sure you're not a woman?

xROTx

PS. Safe Nerd Space needed:p

massimiliano
12-15-2016, 02:18 PM
Massi pal...

That's the cleanest workspace I have ever scene.... are you sure you're not a woman?

xROTx

PS. Safe Nerd Space needed:p

Lol...no it's just plain OCD :(

for your eyes, here is the full thing, I'm taking Christmas vacation to change all my SFC carts batteries and refurbish the cabinet...

http://www.netpacket.it/massi/massi_workbench.jpg

Rot
12-15-2016, 02:21 PM
Lol...no it's just plain OCD :(

for your eyes, here is the full thing, I'm taking Christmas vacation to change all my SFC carts batteries and refurbish the cabinet...

http://www.netpacket.it/massi/massi_workbench.jpg

I am impressed.... I just had the grand kiddy around today...

My living room is like a scene from from a Quentin Tarantino film...

YUP... it's all gone to shit and the the likelihood is you're not gonna make it out alive...

xROTx

massimiliano
12-15-2016, 02:30 PM
I am impressed.... I just had the grand kiddy around today...

My living room is like a scene from from a Quentin Tarantino film...

YUP... it's all gone to shit and the the likelihood is you're not gonna make it out alive...

xROTx

hahahah... "like a grenade exploded in the room"...

Ok, just because a bit of OT is welcome to take some pressure away from neosd hard work...this was my room in Tokyo, 31 December 2008, few days before leaving the country, as it turned out you can't ship the hotel unit using EMS at the post office, as it simply too heavy....UPS was too expensive sooo...I had to find a way to ship multiple packages:

http://www.netpacket.it/massi/massi_deck_unit_dismount.jpg

frazer99
12-15-2016, 03:04 PM
hahahah... "like a grenade exploded in the room"...

Ok, just because a bit of OT is welcome to take some pressure away from neosd hard work...this was my room in Tokyo, 31 December 2008, few days before leaving the country, as it turned out you can't ship the hotel unit using EMS at the post office, as it simply too heavy....UPS was too expensive sooo...I had to find a way to ship multiple packages:

http://www.netpacket.it/massi/massi_deck_unit_dismount.jpg

Wow Massi, seriously? Amazing. I bet a nervous wait for all the packages to arrive and in one piece!

TheSegaDude
12-15-2016, 03:23 PM
I have the same soldering iron! A friend who knows what he's doing bought it for me.

I could not afford the desoldering iron by the same maker so I got a cheaper one from China. It hasn't burned the house down yet!



hahahah.. maybe it's the vacuum power..

btw Brian, how could you not feel attracted too by its Fisher Price look?

http://www.netpacket.it/massi/hakko_set.jpg

fenikso
12-15-2016, 03:27 PM
SMD is something I can't even start to think about, too difficult!! I completely agree, the sucking pump is definitively a must have tool. I just wanted to share how happy I am with the Hakko...best purchase of 2016 (well, still haven't got my neosd yet!)

At least I'm not the only one to not have theirs yet, although it's odd you haven't gotten yours being in Europe.

massimiliano
12-15-2016, 04:06 PM
At least I'm not the only one to not have theirs yet, although it's odd you haven't gotten yours being in Europe.

I left Italy two years ago! Now I'm a NC fellow resident :)

Rot
12-15-2016, 04:08 PM
I left Italy two years ago! Now I'm a NC fellow resident :)

Trump is gonna so rape you Massi...

xROTx

massimiliano
12-15-2016, 04:09 PM
Wow Massi, seriously? Amazing. I bet a nervous wait for all the packages to arrive and in one piece!

...I guess this was one of the "never again" thing I did...but eventually it all ended well...good excuse to clean it up for good.

massimiliano
12-15-2016, 04:10 PM
Trump is gonna so rape you Massi...

xROTx

Jeez...same as with Berlusconi all over again...I'd better find a waifu soon...

Rot
12-15-2016, 04:13 PM
Jeez...same as with Berlusconi all over again...I'd better find a waifu soon...

https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/04/8815.jpg

It's the ONLY way you're gonna get that Green Card pal...

TASUKE STYLE'Z!

xROTx

massimiliano
12-15-2016, 04:25 PM
https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/04/8815.jpg

It's the ONLY way you're gonna get that Green Card pal...

TASUKE STYLE'Z!

xROTx

yes master!

http://www.netpacket.it/funny/ROT_damme.jpg

Rot
12-15-2016, 04:29 PM
Neosd... you can make this all go away...

I require 10x AES versions to be sent to this address:

Mister Rot Sexxy Te,
The PawnMaster Shop,
69 Bareback St,
Greater CawkMuncher,
M3 S3X,
United KingDome.

GadgetUK
12-15-2016, 05:53 PM
That King of Monsters 2 has the same CRC as mine - glad it will be added to the CRC checks in unibios and preserved too =D

Kid Panda
12-15-2016, 06:01 PM
I received my MVS NeoSD today and it works great so far. I've flashed games to both of the carts I got and didn't see any issue. Thanks again!

Neodogg
12-15-2016, 09:10 PM
I received my MVS NeoSD today and it works great so far. I've flashed games to both of the carts I got and didn't see any issue. Thanks again!

Excellent news!

I'll check my games this weekend.

Yodd
12-15-2016, 10:57 PM
Still waiting on mine.

:(

Lemony Vengeance
12-15-2016, 11:34 PM
https://twitter.com/ModernVintageG/status/809232789421903872

.../waves at Lemony Vengeance... It's nice to see you being so supportive to the community here...



If you read on, you'd see that I was assisting him (https://twitter.com/LemonyVengeance/status/809391010593710080). Let's face it though, telling people to use another PSU (http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4148237#post4148237) was glib. I'm glad that the issues were able to be moved past (https://twitter.com/ModernVintageG/status/809599984677126145) (Firmware update + another undisclosed solution). nothing is worse than dropping some coin on something that's been hyped up and not having it work out of the box.

And BTW, is this really a "Community" product? Community supported, maybe, but not a community product. It would have been released with or without support from you or Razoola.

and FWIW, I plan on getting one of these. Just need to gather up enough scratch. Life is not liking the lemon at the moment.

greedostick
12-16-2016, 02:15 AM
GOT MINE TODAY!!!!

Didn't have a ton of time cause studying for exam, but I did make some time to test this baby out.

My box wasn't crushed or anything, but I did notice it seemed my 2 PCB's were bent somewhere, as the edge connectors were touching.

Here's what I am running this on:

Neo Geo AES English Pro-Pow.
Serial just under 18000.
Daedalus Converter.
Unibios 2.4
XRGB Mini via SCART

Upon first attempt the thing fired up and seemed to work perfectly. Started a game and no sound :(
Made sure the PCB was really snug, and sound fired right up upon next power on.

This thing is working perfectly!

Tested and confirmed working:

Garou
Gururin
Magical Drop III
Nightmare in the Dark
Twinkle Star Sprites
Pulstar (sorta)

This is working exactly like my official MVS carts through my Daedalus, except in some respects better.

First, I am still having issues with Pulstar. My official cart likes to go black during cut-scene transitions, and after dying. It doesn't load video properly after a death until a few seconds after the stage has started leading to insta deaths. I think this is my t.v. not liking the signal though.

Garou MOTW - With my official cart crashes with a unibios error screen. It was unplayable with a Daedalus for me, but confirmed working for over an hour on another members cab. Glad to report it works perfect with the NeoSD. That's such a relief....

All the other games worked flawless thus far. No unibios errors and game crashes. So I am a very happy camper!

The Pulstar thing still sucks though, but it's not NeoSD's fault, I just think it hates something in my setup.

Can someone with a Daedalus setup test Pulstar and see if it goes black at certain points during cut-scenes? Like when the chic first gets out of the ship and is running?

Here's some working pics.

41370

41371

neosd
12-16-2016, 03:08 AM
Lets explain it, so everyone understands the issue and our answer :

User gets a neosd, he says is dead, it dosent works (we know every shipped neosd works cause we took the time to flash kof2003 on EVERY neosd).

So customer starts telling on twitter that its dead on arrival. User could just have emailed us, but he decided to tell that on twitter, where we dont even have account, until yesterday that some friend told us about this twitter guy ...

Then some trolls come there to fuck arround ( i am not going to name those).

Some hours after user says : its not dead, it works in one of my cabs and not on ther other, thing is that he is using the SAME MVS on both cabs.

So i ask you guys, what could be doing NEOSD works with the same MVS in one cab and not in another ? I would say the only difference is the PSU, so we told him this may be the cause.

Some of you think NEOSD was an easy to develop product, others think they can deliver a neo geo flash cart and cant even boot a single game. Lets face it, we are working with more than 8 different boards, some do have different revisions. Those boards are more than 20 years old and everyone is powering those boards in a different way.

So i would say we have a pretty solid product. Right now issues are under 1% of what we have shipped, and we are taking every issue seriously, we dont tell someone to try another psu or that his psu is fucked to not give him support.

If you have an issue : email us, dont post it on facebook if you want support, cause we dont have a facebook account (just to name one for example) ... You can post whathever you want there but we may not know you have an issue cause you havent emailed us ...

Telling people : yes i am going to buy it, dosent makes your argument stronger.

As an user i would be really pleased to be able to buy a neo geo flash cart, even if i wont buy it for different reasons.
After so many years some serious team put the needed resources to deliver something we all wanted, and no one was able to deliver.

Instead, what we have arround is a pile of trolls trying to find a single issue to put shit on our product/work. I cant really understand that kind of hate, honestly

Thanks



If you read on, you'd see that I was assisting him (https://twitter.com/LemonyVengeance/status/809391010593710080). Let's face it though, telling people to use another PSU (http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4148237#post4148237) was glib. I'm glad that the issues were able to be moved past (https://twitter.com/ModernVintageG/status/809599984677126145) (Firmware update + another undisclosed solution). nothing is worse than dropping some coin on something that's been hyped up and not having it work out of the box.

And BTW, is this really a "Community" product? Community supported, maybe, but not a community product. It would have been released with or without support from you or Razoola.

and FWIW, I plan on getting one of these. Just need to gather up enough scratch. Life is not liking the lemon at the moment.

phoenixdownita
12-16-2016, 03:52 AM
GOT MINE TODAY!!!!
...

The Pulstar thing still sucks though, but it's not NeoSD's fault, I just think it hates something in my setup.

Can someone with a Daedalus setup test Pulstar and see if it goes black at certain points during cut-scenes? Like when the chic first gets out of the ship and is running?


I can confirm the Pulsar thing is a TV glitch/issue. I have an AES with Uni 3.1 and MagicKey and MVS 161-in-1 and Pulstar does the same thing you state. It does it on composite and SVideo (I modded my AES) .... in the end I resorted to RGB cable + XRGB mini and problem solved.
I tried it on another TV without issues (i just can't use that one set as it is in a different room). So I know it is the TV not liking the generated signal during transitions (but sometimes other places too).

NOTE: why is it that chrome/google flags Neo-geo.com as a "bad site"? .... it's painful, it started maybe 10 days ago, up until then I could search for neo-geo.com and neosd to land in this thread now I have to go via the link on the neosd page (as I am lazy) and the red chrome alert page.

phoenixdownita
12-16-2016, 04:01 AM
@neosd

I know the AES version is not out yet and I'm a little bummed that the MVS version does not work with the MagicKey converter (as I already have it it would have saved me 10% of the cost as the MVS version is cheaper) but it's fine with the Daedalus instead.

Anyway any chance you consider making an AES version that instead of flash uses PSRAM? I am one of the few that likes to switch games very often so the flash solution is not ideal for me.
At 1Gbits it's 128MBytes total (twice the size of the Everdrive64) and if memory serves I've seen PSRAM chips of 8MBytes (it would require 16 of them, but I have not checked cost or availability, just throwing it out there).
I ask only in case you are considering it as an option so I'll wait for it. If not I'll understand and consider what I want to do comes January when I have more disposable cash.

Thanks for the exceptional work.

Finally given your last firmware improvements can you publish the latest faster loading times? 30% it's definitely a noticeable jump.

neosd
12-16-2016, 04:12 AM
Hello,

Our decision to use FLASH instead of SRAM was a deeply meditated decision.
We have no plans for SRAM solution for a lot of resons, sorry i wont give hints to others, i hope you understand that.

Loading times are much more faster now, and we think we can improve those. But right now its not a priority, we have one remaining issue with 4 slots board and this is priority over anything else.

About loading times : With reatil neosd firmware (the one all neosds were shipped with), flashing kof2003 takes 4:10 with a 7 euros sony microsd on my setup. Same setup and new firmware puts flashing the same game in 2:45

Thanks

EDIT : Just clarify, we dont have plans for another Neo Geo flashcart.


@neosd

I know the AES version is not out yet and I'm a little bummed that the MVS version does not work with the MagicKey converter (as I already have it it would have saved me 10% of the cost as the MVS version is cheaper) but it's fine with the Daedalus instead.

Anyway any chance you consider making an AES version that instead of flash uses PSRAM? I am one of the few that likes to switch games very often so the flash solution is not ideal for me.
At 1Gbits it's 128MBytes total (twice the size of the Everdrive64) and if memory serves I've seen PSRAM chips of 8MBytes (it would require 16 of them, but I have not checked cost or availability, just thwoing it out there).
I ask only in case you are considering it as an option so I'll wait for it. If not I'll understand and consider what I want to do comes January when I have more disposable cash.

Thanks for the exceptional work.

Finally given your last firmware improvements can you publish the newly improved loading times?

xsq
12-16-2016, 04:21 AM
NOTE: why is it that chrome/google flags Neo-geo.com as a "bad site"? .... it's painful, it started maybe 10 days ago, up until then I could search for neo-geo.com and neosd to land in this thread now I have to go via the link on the neosd page (as I am lazy) and the red chrome alert page.
This place is bigger than just this thread, you know. Bookmark/remember "neo-geo.com/forums". As to your question, the mods know about it, it is being worked on. Check here for further info: 1 (http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?269171-DECEPTIVE-WEBSITE-OFFICIAL-THREAD!!!!!-aka-FFS-give-me-a-fuckin-break-here-xROT), 2 (http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?269051-Anyone-else-clicking-a-NG-link-and-getting-a-spam-site).

phoenixdownita
12-16-2016, 04:35 AM
Hello,

Our decision to use FLASH instead of SRAM was a deeply meditated decision.
We have no plans for SRAM solution for a lot of resons, sorry i wont give hints to others, i hope you understand that.

Loading times are much more faster now, and we think we can improve those. But right now its not a priority, we have one remaining issue with 4 slots board and this is priority over anything else.

About loading times : With reatil neosd firmware (the one all neosds were shipped with), flashing kof2003 takes 4:10 with a 7 euros sony microsd on my setup. Same setup and new firmware puts flashing the same game in 2:45

Thanks

EDIT : Just clarify, we dont have plans for another Neo Geo flashcart.

Thanks for the answer, any hope that maybe the MagicKey converter may be made to work via neosd fw update? Maybe the BRAM off thing that Raz was hinting at? Just saying, feel free to ignore as I may end up just getting the AES version in the end [at one point I was considering a consolized MVS and it would be cool to only use on flash cart ... but it is not your problem].

Thanks for the loading time data, how about the shorter games, they were around 1 min before.
[you can take your time and publish the result when you feel like it, no need to rush any answer]

phoenixdownita
12-16-2016, 04:40 AM
This place is bigger than just this thread, you know. Bookmark/remember "neo-geo.com/forums". As to your question, the mods know about it, it is being worked on. Check here for further info: 1 (http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?269171-DECEPTIVE-WEBSITE-OFFICIAL-THREAD!!!!!-aka-FFS-give-me-a-fuckin-break-here-xROT), 2 (http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?269051-Anyone-else-clicking-a-NG-link-and-getting-a-spam-site).

Thanks for the links, my bad .. I'm a lazy ass, sorry about that, please accept my apologies.

neosd
12-16-2016, 04:47 AM
Hello,

I cant tell you if we will take the time to look at those converters, thing is that some are working and others are not.
Think that some may work with original games but may not be using all lines to the cart port for example ...

We are spending all our time supporting our product, we would like to add more features instead, but we cant while we have open issues.
We just need to fix every single issue to move fordward and add more features to neosd that we already have planed.

All this goes before looking into why those converters are not working with NEOSD, i hope you understand our point ...

Thanks


Thanks for the answer, any hope that maybe the MagicKey converter may be made to work via neosd fw update? Maybe the BRAM off thing that Raz was hinting at? Just saying, feel free to ignore as I may end up just getting the AES version in the end [at one point I was considering a consolized MVS and it would be cool to only use on flash cart ... but it is not your problem].

Thanks for the loading time data, how about the shorter games, they were around 1 min before.
[you can take your time and publish the result when you feel like it, no need to rush any answer]

julencin2000
12-16-2016, 04:59 AM
Lets explain it, so everyone understands the issue and our answer :

User gets a neosd, he says is dead, it dosent works (we know every shipped neosd works cause we took the time to flash kof2003 on EVERY neosd).

So customer starts telling on twitter that its dead on arrival. User could just have emailed us, but he decided to tell that on twitter, where we dont even have account, until yesterday that some friend told us about this twitter guy ...

Then some trolls come there to fuck arround ( i am not going to name those).

Some hours after user says : its not dead, it works in one of my cabs and not on ther other, thing is that he is using the SAME MVS on both cabs.

So i ask you guys, what could be doing NEOSD works with the same MVS in one cab and not in another ? I would say the only difference is the PSU, so we told him this may be the cause.

Some of you think NEOSD was an easy to develop product, others think they can deliver a neo geo flash cart and cant even boot a single game. Lets face it, we are working with more than 8 different boards, some do have different revisions. Those boards are more than 20 years old and everyone is powering those boards in a different way.

So i would say we have a pretty solid product. Right now issues are under 1% of what we have shipped, and we are taking every issue seriously, we dont tell someone to try another psu or that his psu is fucked to not give him support.

If you have an issue : email us, dont post it on facebook if you want support, cause we dont have a facebook account (just to name one for example) ... You can post whathever you want there but we may not know you have an issue cause you havent emailed us ...

Telling people : yes i am going to buy it, dosent makes your argument stronger.

As an user i would be really pleased to be able to buy a neo geo flash cart, even if i wont buy it for different reasons.
After so many years some serious team put the needed resources to deliver something we all wanted, and no one was able to deliver.

Instead, what we have arround is a pile of trolls trying to find a single issue to put shit on our product/work. I cant really understand that kind of hate, honestly

Thanks

this guy?

41372

MattBlah
12-16-2016, 05:17 AM
No matter what you do, someone will try to shit on it. I wouldn't let it get to you, guys. Although I know you obviously don't want people giving you a bad name, especially somewhere you don't even have a chance to defend yourself.

Like you say, it's only 1% that have issues. Most of us, including myself, are absolutely loving the product and the service and responses to questions you have provided.

Dandan
12-16-2016, 06:19 AM
Isn't that the guy working on his own flash cart, a conflict of interest perhaps...

tcdev
12-16-2016, 06:45 AM
No matter what you do, someone will try to shit on it. I wouldn't let it get to you, guys. Although I know you obviously don't want people giving you a bad name, especially somewhere you don't even have a chance to defend yourself.
Like you say, it's only 1% that have issues. Most of us, including myself, are absolutely loving the product and the service and responses to questions you have provided.
I'd like to echo that sentiment. It's absolutely impossible to please all of the people, all of the time - even if the NeoSD printed actual bank notes there'd be someone putting it down. I think you'll find that in the long run, the quality of your product and your support will effectively silence the nay-sayers and anyone doing serious research before purchasing the NeoSD will very quickly come to the conclusion that it's simply an A-1 product. I've been around long enough to know that I've read enough just here in this thread alone to be supremely confident in purchasing one (and FTR I have indeed done just that). I'll bet you can't find a single product on the net that doesn't have at least one reviewer that thinks it's absolute rubbish.

Yodd
12-16-2016, 07:01 AM
Isn't that the guy working on his own flash cart, a conflict of interest perhaps...

No he isn't.

Lemony Vengeance
12-16-2016, 07:04 AM
There's a ton of configs out there, I agree. it's impossible to troubleshoot them all, which is why things should only get better once it hits the public because you can take their experiences and fortify stuff. :D

Yes, some people will hit social media first and that stinks. the only thing the neoSD team can control is their response to it and their effort to correct the issues. The firmware update saved the day in this case. :)

fenikso
12-16-2016, 07:36 AM
Still waiting on mine.

:(

I feel your pain.

neosd
12-16-2016, 07:49 AM
There's a ton of configs out there, I agree. it's impossible to troubleshoot them all, which is why things should only get better once it hits the public because you can take their experiences and fortify stuff. :D

Yes, some people will hit social media first and that stinks. the only thing the neoSD team can control is their response to it and their effort to correct the issues. The firmware update saved the day in this case. :)


I agree on that, but we cant give support over twitter, neither we can go to your home to fix it, as much you may desire it.

We dont have any problem with people expressing theyrselves, we are going to support users with good and bad coments on forums, social media or on the street, no problem about that at all. Everyone is going to get the same treatment.

Thanks

Razoola
12-16-2016, 08:36 AM
Preservation is not yet totally complete but there is enough to understand one of the main changes in the Korean version graphically. This is the Korean flag on the back of Kim Kaphwan has been corrected when using his alt uniform (red and blue in flag wrong way around in regular version).

So not only is the flag fixed in this Korean version but his alt color is yellow instead of grey.

41373

41375

41374

HbeXL6AXmi0

dkarDaGobert
12-16-2016, 08:52 AM
if anyone in europe finds an undumped one and needs help with desoldering or dumping the roms i can offer my help.

these are the tools i work with:

4137941377
41380

as you can see i have everything needed IR-Heater, soldering irons, hot air stations.. and programming tools.

fenikso
12-16-2016, 08:54 AM
Holy crap! I wish you lived next door to me, I've got a whole host of shit that needs fixing right meow.

aku
12-16-2016, 09:14 AM
...

Some of you think NEOSD was an easy to develop product, others think they can deliver a neo geo flash cart and cant even boot a single game. Lets face it, we are working with more than 8 different boards, some do have different revisions. Those boards are more than 20 years old and everyone is powering those boards in a different way.

So i would say we have a pretty solid product. Right now issues are under 1% of what we have shipped, and we are taking every issue seriously, we dont tell someone to try another psu or that his psu is fucked to not give him support.

If you have an issue : email us, dont post it on facebook if you want support, cause we dont have a facebook account (just to name one for example) ... You can post whathever you want there but we may not know you have an issue cause you havent emailed us ...

Telling people : yes i am going to buy it, dosent makes your argument stronger.

As an user i would be really pleased to be able to buy a neo geo flash cart, even if i wont buy it for different reasons.
After so many years some serious team put the needed resources to deliver something we all wanted, and no one was able to deliver.

Instead, what we have arround is a pile of trolls trying to find a single issue to put shit on our product/work. I cant really understand that kind of hate, honestly

Thanks

should be quoted on every page

&

yodd, todd, whatever - i am so happy when you get your cart, because i cant read any more of your "meh" posts. hopefully quan approves my opinion.

massimiliano
12-16-2016, 09:19 AM
Preservation is not yet totally complete but there is enough to understand one of the main changes in the Korean version graphically. This is the Korean flag on the back of Kim Kaphwan has been corrected when using his alt uniform (red and blue in flag wrong way around in regular version).

So not only is the flag fixed in this Korean version but his alt color is yellow instead of grey.



Awesome! Thanks a lot for working on this!

massimiliano
12-16-2016, 09:22 AM
these are the tools i work with:

4137941377
41380

as you can see i have everything needed IR-Heater, soldering irons, hot air stations.. and programming tools.

:buttrock:

neosd
12-16-2016, 09:23 AM
May i ask what you work at ? Phone repairs ?
Those are not the usual cheap chinesse tools, i myself have one of those JBC solder stations are home :)
Pretty expensive lot you have there, i would say. Someone should send you samurai shodown 5 special to reump.


if anyone in europe finds an undumped one and needs help with desoldering or dumping the roms i can offer my help.

these are the tools i work with:

4137941377
41380

as you can see i have everything needed IR-Heater, soldering irons, hot air stations.. and programming tools.

Razoola
12-16-2016, 09:36 AM
Awesome! Thanks a lot for working on this!

Brian need the credit, I just found the cart owner, Brian did the work.

massimiliano
12-16-2016, 10:11 AM
Brian need the credit, I just found the cart owner, Brian did the work.

http://www.netpacket.it/funny/whoelse.png

Yodd
12-16-2016, 10:21 AM
yodd, todd, whatever - i am so happy when you get your cart, because i cant read any more of your "meh" posts. hopefully quan approves my opinion.


I'm sorry, asshole, what have I done to piss you off so much? What "meh" posts are you referring to? Other than a couple comments about still waiting on it, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Pls share with the class.