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Fox1
03-10-2014, 08:41 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GQ-4X-True-USB-Programmer-EPROM-UV-Eraser-ADP-054-16-bit-EPROM-adapter-/261411075628?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cdd50762c

I'm thinking of getting one, is that set good for all my arcade pcb/gaming needs?

Lemony Vengeance
03-10-2014, 09:03 AM
I have one and I like it. Make sure you get the 16bit adapter.

Fox1
03-10-2014, 09:05 AM
Cool. Is that one in the auction (the 16-bit adapter) alright?

Lemony Vengeance
03-10-2014, 09:37 AM
I have every piece of that auction. Good beginner kit!

Fox1
03-10-2014, 09:53 AM
Sounds good, I'll throw him an offer that's a few bucks off.

mainman
03-10-2014, 07:50 PM
Its a nice beginners setup but it's always best to get a programmer that supports 48 pins natively to future proof as your about to drop $160 on the GQ-4X and a 48 pin programmer would cost you the same if not just $20 more. In other words do it right the first time. The eraser they are throwing in isn't much of a incentive as it will only house around 6 chips or less at a time.

The GQ-4X seems to lack a TTL logic checker feature, also the device list doesn't include the commonly used GAL16V8D

You can get a top3000 with 64bit support and native 48 pin support for the same price.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-TOP3000-USB-universal-programmer-EPROM-MCU-PIC-AVR-/280523876214?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415086a776

This eraser might be a little more than you are willing to pay but believe me it is a investment that will quickly pay for itself by saving you a crap load of time when you are batch erasing chips
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BK-Precision-Deluxe-EPROM-Eraser-Model-851-Up-to-FORTY-24-Pin-EEPROMs-at-Once-/291094603476?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43c69726d4

mmsadda
03-10-2014, 08:15 PM
I'm having a shitty experience with that GQ-4X. Basics here:
http://www.mcumall.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5427

The company that makes and sells them is fucking useless. Go with what Mainman is suggesting.

Lemony Vengeance
03-10-2014, 08:28 PM
I'm having a shitty experience with that GQ-4X. Basics here:
http://www.mcumall.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5427

The company that makes and sells them is fucking useless. Go with what Mainman is suggesting.

by the way, my issue on that board was due to bad roms. like 10 of them, but they were bad.

Xian Xi
03-10-2014, 08:32 PM
I still have my TOP2049 and it works great for 98% of the arcade stuff I throw at it. I'd get the TOP3000 over that GQ-4X honestly but it all depends on how much you are going to get into it.

mainman
03-10-2014, 08:48 PM
I still have my TOP2049 and it works great for 98% of the arcade stuff I throw at it. I'd get the TOP3000 over that GQ-4X honestly but it all depends on how much you are going to get into it.

Yeap we both have the 2049, it is a great burner and it works for 98% of my project. It can still be bought and just ignore the disclaimers about the issue with the 27C line of chip as this problem has been 98% fixed for 4 years. The only issue I have is burning a certain brand of 27c4002 chips. THE BIG draw back is lack of 64 bit support.

http://aidetek.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=A&Product_Code=TOP2049&Category_Code=TOP

Tyranix95
03-10-2014, 10:26 PM
Its a nice beginners setup but it's always best to get a programmer that supports 48 pins natively ...

This. This. This. ^^^

And if you don't want to spend a fortune ($500+), then check the supported device list and make sure it programs the 27c series of chips if you plan on doing any NEO or Capcom stuff. Some of the newer, modern, entry-level programmers are dropping support for the legacy devices like the 27c322, which is necessary.

Also, make sure your program can support Pic & Gal chips. These will be very useful later on as your programming needs expand.

GohanX
03-11-2014, 03:13 AM
Something that caught my eye in that thread... ALWAYS use an external a.c. adapter with that GQ4X, I don't care what tech support says.

mainman
03-11-2014, 03:45 AM
Something that caught my eye in that thread... ALWAYS use an external a.c. adapter with that GQ4X, I don't care what tech support says.

This is not a issue with the top programmer as I have NEVER had to use the included AC adapter in the 4 years I have owned it.

smkdan
03-11-2014, 06:22 AM
I can vouch for the TOP3000 too. 16bit EPROM support out of the box with no needed adapters is great. No problems with the stock PSU either. Up until now I used the 32bit software in WinXP Mode but I just tried the new 64bit software and it seems to work fine natively.

hungar
03-11-2014, 06:54 AM
This thread is just what I needed. I recently bought one of the cheap usb miniPro TL866 programmers and it doesn't natively support 27c400 which is very annoying. I don't suppose anyone knows if it can? Otherwise I think I'll cut my losses and go for a TOP3000.

Xian Xi
03-16-2014, 06:50 AM
This is not a issue with the top programmer as I have NEVER had to use the included AC adapter in the 4 years I have owned it.

Seriously? Damn, from day one I've always had the PSU plugged in. Never tried without it. Been like 4-5 years now.

channelmaniac
03-16-2014, 04:42 PM
http://www.eetools.com

You get what you pay for.

I can program 2716 through 27C322, fuse link PROMs, GAL/PAL/PEEL/PLA logic, Flash, serial and parallel EEPROMs, EAROMs, and more with my TopMax.

I'll be selling one for $245 + shipping if someone wants one. That's what I'll get for trading it in towards a TopMax 2 which I'll be doing in a week when I get home from Melbourne, Australia.

mainman
03-16-2014, 05:53 PM
Seriously? Damn, from day one I've always had the PSU plugged in. Never tried without it. Been like 4-5 years now.

Yeap never used the AC adapter. As a matter of fact this is a killer mobile setup with my samsung Q1 as I can program anywhere

12333


As for the eetools programmers, the equivalent eetools programmer models Topmax2 and Chipmax2 cost $800 and $550 respectively which is going to be well outside of 99% of everyone budget including me. The game killer for the eetool programmers is that their proprietary adapters for instance a dip to tsop adapter cost from $130 to hundreds more compared to the $25 you would pay for the same adapter for the top3000

The top3000 is a excellent hobbyist programmer that will handle all the chips you will come across in arcade equipment used from 89 onward including gal,flash, EEPROMs and etc. I will be upgrading to the 3000 soon as I recently discovered my 2049 will not program 89c51rc2 MCU correctly in addition to the fact I need a programmer with 64 bit support. BTW the 89c51rc2 I need to program is part of a advance non arcade related project and the actual part itself has only been on the market for a few years. My trusting 2049 will become my axillary programmer.

channelmaniac
03-18-2014, 08:28 AM
I use the cheap generic adapters and they work well. Not sure where you got the idea that the cheap adapters wouldn't work with them.

kuze
03-18-2014, 10:51 AM
So you guys would recommend the top3000 over the wellon vp390?

mainman
03-18-2014, 10:59 AM
I use the cheap generic adapters and they work well. Not sure where you got the idea that the cheap adapters wouldn't work with them.

I got the ideal from the fact I tried to use my tsop adapter with the topmax2 at my work and it did not work.


So you guys would recommend the top3000 over the wellon vp390?

Slightly more expensive, I personally never used one. Most people I have know who owns a vp280 have praised it. There is one person who owns a vp280 who posted on this topic who had his 280 go randomly bad on him one day which required him to do surface mount repair on it. The vp390 is the next evolution in the vp line as the vp280 is no longer available for purchase

Tyranix95
03-18-2014, 03:48 PM
So you guys would recommend the top3000 over the wellon vp390?

eetools are the best.

After that it's all who you want to roll with.

As for wellons: 280, 380, 480 are all good choices. But, hard to find 'cause these are discontinued models. The 390 is current, and should work fine.


... Most people I have know who owns a vp280 have praised it. There is one person who owns a vp280 who posted on this topic who had his 280 go randomly bad on him one day which required him to do surface mount repair on it. The vp380 is the next evolution in the vp line as the vp280 is no longer available for purchase

That was me. And I love it. But was having a bad day. Was multi-tasking (burning a 27C160, zipping a TTX2 Dump, and surfing the net) and my computer froze. Hit the re-boot button--Took the chip off the programmer--And tried the burn again. The software reported that there was a chip stuck on the top of the programmer, which there was not.

Posted the issue over in the Wellon tech forums. We ran the self-test. The programmer failed. Gave us a code. They had me replaced a few Super Diodes (Transistors) on the bottom of the socket board. And it was fixed. Their tech support was great--Very fast and knowledgeable. The longest part about the whole fix was ordering the parts from Digi-key, which took a few days, and the fact that tech was closed during the Chinese New-Year, which took a week. Other than that, the programmer is working great again.

Love this little thing.

GohanX
03-18-2014, 05:03 PM
Seriously? Damn, from day one I've always had the PSU plugged in. Never tried without it. Been like 4-5 years now.

I've read in some data sheets that some eeproms require higher voltages for writing to some chips, maybe the top has some way around it? With my GQ the only time I've had bad burns (outside of bad chips) is when I forget to plug the power cord in. It's only happened like once or twice though, and there have been plenty of times when I forgot to plug it in but the burned eprom was just fine.

mainman
03-18-2014, 05:50 PM
I've read in some data sheets that some eeproms require higher voltages for writing to some chips, maybe the top has some way around it? With my GQ the only time I've had bad burns (outside of bad chips) is when I forget to plug the power cord in. It's only happened like once or twice though, and there have been plenty of times when I forgot to plug it in but the burned eprom was just fine.

It's called a DC to DC converter and all modern programmers have one.

GohanX
03-18-2014, 05:56 PM
Modern, fuck that, I needs my cheap Chinese knockoff shit.

GohanX
03-18-2014, 05:58 PM
Parallel port or bust.

leonk
03-18-2014, 07:48 PM
It's called a DC to DC converter and all modern programmers have one.

I don't trust it. Some 27C EPROMs require up to 25V to properly write. Yes, they'll write at 10-15V but how good will those writes be 5 years down the road!?! If your programmer uses USB and you're using 27C EPROMs, connect the darn external brick. Good programmers won't let you burn if they can't detect the extra Ac/Dc power.

Tyranix95
03-18-2014, 08:04 PM
Mine bugs the shit out of me when I don't connect it.

It trains you to hook it up.

Fox1
03-18-2014, 09:31 PM
So, what would be the best choice: Top3000 or VP-390? (Out of the more affordable ones)

Tyranix95
03-18-2014, 10:26 PM
http://www.weilei.com/VP-390e.htm

VP-390

48 Pin ZIF socket with Popular pin-drivers. (A Must.)
Interface with LAPTOP, PC or compatibles through USB port. (A Plus. USB is fast.)
Test TTL/CMOS logic ICs and Dynamic/Static Random Access Memory devices (Very handy)
Automaticly Identifies the manufacturer and type of E(E)PROMs, Auto identifies TTL/CMOS logic IC (Standard.)
Not need exterior adapter for mostly devices. (Don't care, hook it up anyways.)
Universal DIP, PLCC, QFP, TSOP, PSOP, SOIC, SSOP, SDIP adapters. (A Must.)
Supports WindowsXP/Vista/ Windows 7 (32bit and 64bit)/ Windows 8 (32bit and 64bit) (Also a Must.)
Chinese(Simplified),Chinese(Traditional),English,K orean,Poland,Italian,Portuguese,Dutch, Turkish and Hungary. (Has English.)

PROM: N/CMOS E(E)PROM, SeriesE(E)PROM, and FLASH Memory (Blah, Blah, Blah, ... Always check the device list. Make sure your device is there.)

http://www.weilei.com/VP-390list.htm (Has Capcom and NEO era boards covered.)

PLD: CPLD, EPLD, GAL,PEEL,PALCE and more (Programs Gals, :D)

IC TEST:
TTL (74 series), CMOS (40/45 series) Logic IC (TTL 74 series test is helpful.)
DRAM (4164, 41464 ...), SRAM (2114, 6116 ...) memory device (And so is the D/S RAM test.)

mainman
03-18-2014, 11:34 PM
The vp-390 cost $200, the top3000 cost $160.

If you have $200 in hand I would buy the top3000 and invest the $40 in a good and MANDATORY eprom eraser.

If your on a budget than clearly the top3000 is the best option.

The top3000 has all the capability of the vp-390.

Make sure to double check the device list.

BTW I have had my top2049 for years and have had no issue programming with only usb power. That one exception being the brand of 27c4002 I was having issues burning will not burn with either usb power or even with the AC adapter plugged in.

kuze
03-18-2014, 11:41 PM
The vp-390 is available on aliexpress for $165 shipped, but I haven't used it. Still looking at my options but either going to pick up one of these or the top3000 in the near future. Thanks for all the info everyone.

Tyranix95
03-18-2014, 11:54 PM
The one thing with the entry level programmers, including the wellons, is that they will not program the 64 MB roms found in CPS and NEO carts.

tc5364202ap
tc5364205ap

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?219947-Repairing-MVS-carts-with-64mbit-proms&highlight=

PD23C64020

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?248250-CPS2-Black-board-Revival-(What-am-I-doing-wrong-)

Fox1
03-19-2014, 12:31 AM
I doubt I'll be doing any black CPS2s or Neo carts. Since the VP-390 is basically the same price as the Top3000, should I go with the 390? The only reason I am leaning towards the 390 is because their site is in English and pretty packed, while Top's site is just a few chinese letters and download links for the software.

Fox1
03-19-2014, 02:41 AM
Well I went ahead and went for the Tops...only because I found one for $120 with free EMS shipping.

bustedstr8
03-19-2014, 05:53 AM
The one thing with the entry level programmers, including the wellons, is that they will not program the 64 MB roms found in CPS and NEO carts.

tc5364202ap
tc5364205ap

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?219947-Repairing-MVS-carts-with-64mbit-proms&highlight=

PD23C64020

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?248250-CPS2-Black-board-Revival-(What-am-I-doing-wrong-)

Show me a high end programmer that can write mask roms pweese :p

shadowkn55
03-19-2014, 11:19 AM
The one thing with the entry level programmers, including the wellons, is that they will not program the 64 MB roms found in CPS and NEO carts.


By definition, you can't program mask roms. They are etched at the factory. It's like asking a cd burner to write into a blank used for pressed cds.

mainman
03-20-2014, 04:14 AM
Well I went ahead and went for the Tops...only because I found one for $120 with free EMS shipping.

Care to share your source

Fox1
03-20-2014, 04:51 AM
Care to share your source

Sure, http://www.aliexpress.com/item/TOP3000-Universal-Programmer-Fast-Express/736806062.html better hurry, only 20 hours left on the "Sale"

CaseyTappy
03-20-2014, 12:16 PM
Bought a second hand 48 Pin Wellon VP-280 for $ 90,- ,
I'm a noob when it comes to that stuff and never used one before but every rom I tried it burned without any probs from day one .

channelmaniac
03-21-2014, 06:47 AM
I got the ideal from the fact I tried to use my tsop adapter with the topmax2 at my work and it did not work.

Then you got an incorrect adapter... I have a TSSOP adapter at home that I bought and pin 1 was in the wrong location to work with the flash chips I was trying it with. I had to rewire it.

There are TSSOP chips with pin 1 at the corner and some with pin 1 in the middle. If you have the wrong adapter like I did then you have to rewire it.

Elgen
03-22-2014, 06:10 PM
Show me a high end programmer that can write mask roms pweese :p

LOL! };-P

mainman
03-22-2014, 09:50 PM
Then you got an incorrect adapter... I have a TSSOP adapter at home that I bought and pin 1 was in the wrong location to work with the flash chips I was trying it with. I had to rewire it.

There are TSSOP chips with pin 1 at the corner and some with pin 1 in the middle. If you have the wrong adapter like I did then you have to rewire it.

Channel dude the adapter and flash chips in question work just fine unmodified with my top2049 and I also confirmed it to work with the vp280. I have been using the adapter for the last 4 years with my 2049.

Do you have a chipmax or topmax? Which models, what PC software version?

Pasky
12-16-2014, 08:25 AM
Saw this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stager-VS4800-EEPROM-FLASH-MCU-Universal-Programmer-Support-48Pin-18000-IC-B0402-/261363037729?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cda737621

Stager VS4800. 48 pin ZIF socket. Looks like cheap chinese crap though, just not sure if it's a TOP 2xxx or 3xxx clone (which is admittedly also cheap chinese crap albeit a slightly more polished turd). I have a mini pro right now but only supports up to 40 pin and looking to upgrade to a 48 pin eprom burner. Might just grab the TOP3000.

EDIT:

Here's the devices it supports:

http://pastebin.com/56D26Kph

The top 3000 supports:

http://www.topwin6.com/DeviceList/device3000.txt

Seems to be a clone?

Anyways, bought a TOP 3000. Eventually gonna need something in the 7x pin area though :D.

kuze
12-16-2014, 08:47 AM
Interesting... If you pick one up, let us know how it turns out. That's a pretty good price.

Pasky
12-16-2014, 08:50 AM
Ya, I'm not gonna risk it, I bought the TOP3000, it's a cheap Chinese device, but it's proven to be reliable. I won't be the first to risk it with this Stager. I got the TOP3000 for $131 on ebay right now. I'll keep my mini pro around for backup as it's a pretty nice burner and the software isn't complete crap, I also have a lot of adapters for it I'm sure will work with the TOP3000. I haven't played with TOPWIN yet, hopefully it's as decent as the minipro's software.

Fox1
12-16-2014, 09:48 AM
Ya, I'm not gonna risk it, I bought the TOP3000, it's a cheap Chinese device, but it's proven to be reliable. I won't be the first to risk it with this Stager. I got the TOP3000 for $131 on ebay right now. I'll keep my mini pro around for backup as it's a pretty nice burner and the software isn't complete crap, I also have a lot of adapters for it I'm sure will work with the TOP3000. I haven't played with TOPWIN yet, hopefully it's as decent as the minipro's software.

I actually had to return it and get it repaired since it stopped working correctly. It was under warranty, but according to them the parts cost money and that's not included in the warranty...uhuh... I bought a TopMax and never looked back.

Pasky
12-16-2014, 10:15 AM
Ya, I'm not prepared to drop $700 on a hobby just yet and if I did, I'd be damn sure it can do 70+ pins for flash memory and alike. :D

Pingu
12-16-2014, 01:09 PM
I got myself a topmax 2 a few months back for a very reasonable price but I've been searching for adapters for it. Thus far I've only bought a sop44 to dip44 adapter from aliexpress for $10 shipped that has served me well. I wouldn't really mind some tsop ones as well but since they are more than 48pin and finding a schematic over the adapters on aliexpress just isn't going to happen I don't really want to take a chance with those since most adapters there seems to be for the TL866 which only has 40pins and seem to have some really funky rewiring to get everything working. Anyone else have any tips on what adapters to get for cheap?

kuze
12-29-2014, 03:18 PM
Just took the plunge on a top3000! Anyone know if an adapter is required to program a GAL16V8 chip?

Pasky
12-29-2014, 03:28 PM
No adapter is necessary, a GAL16V8 is a DIP 20 IC, it'll fit right on the ZIF socket.

Assuming you're not talking about the SOIC package that is. If it's SOIC or PLCC you'll need an adapter. Pretty sure you're talking about the DIP package though.

kuze
12-29-2014, 03:33 PM
No adapter is necessary, a GAL16V8 is a DIP 20 IC, it'll fit right on the ZIF socket.

Assuming you're not talking about the SOIC package that is. If it's SOIC or PLCC you'll need an adapter. Pretty sure you're talking about the DIP package though.

Right on, thanks for the lightning fast reply! Yeah, I was referring to the DIP package that allows for easy placement into a socket.

madman
01-17-2016, 03:51 PM
Necro bump! I'm looking to retire my old Needham's EMP-20, is the top3000 still my best bet? I had a Willem or whatever that cheap ass shit was years ago, but I had to fuck around with jumpers and DIP switches. I'm not about hitting switches unless I'm rollin' down the street in my '64.

kuze
01-17-2016, 10:30 PM
Necro bump! I'm looking to retire my old Needham's EMP-20, is the top3000 still my best bet? I had a Willem or whatever that cheap ass shit was years ago, but I had to fuck around with jumpers and DIP switches. I'm not about hitting switches unless I'm rollin' down the street in my '64.

I went for the top3000 and I'd do it again. Best bang for your buck, modern USB interface, works on latest windows release and is still receiving software updates.

aha2940
01-17-2016, 10:34 PM
I went for the top3000 and I'd do it again. Best bang for your buck, modern USB interface, works on latest windows release and is still receiving software updates.

Does the new software supports Windows 10? I would not like to update my laptop and find the programmer is not compatible. Also, where do you get the newest software? it seems they change the name of the web site frequently, I have not been able to track it lately.

mainman
01-18-2016, 12:01 AM
Necro bump! I'm looking to retire my old Needham's EMP-20, is the top3000 still my best bet? I had a Willem or whatever that cheap ass shit was years ago, but I had to fuck around with jumpers and DIP switches. I'm not about hitting switches unless I'm rollin' down the street in my '64.



Does the new software supports Windows 10? I would not like to update my laptop and find the programmer is not compatible. Also, where do you get the newest software? it seems they change the name of the web site frequently, I have not been able to track it lately.

I tried my bookmark for the top programmer site and it's no longer valid or offline AGAIN which is unfortunately ONE reason I don't recommend top programmers anymore, it has bitten me in the ass when I get emails from people I recommended to pick one up annoyed that they couldn't find the web site for the latest software. Do you have a bias against VP programmers, if you guys don't you might want to give them a try as this manufacturer at least is professional enough to maintain a stable domain and to be honest the vp product line is more diversified compare to the top programmer line. Be advised that with both the top and vp programmers you do stand more than just a small chance of getting a lemon which although is not a wide spread occurrence is still a concern.

I went a totally radical route when I upgraded from my top2049 a couple of months ago and bought the Smartpro 5000U-plus because I needed a stand alone programmer which doesn't require a pc for you to program.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/niceguy60/smartpro_zpsumeguen6.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/niceguy60/media/smartpro_zpsumeguen6.jpg.html)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2VF2KT4540


I'm not about hitting switches unless I'm rollin' down the street in my '64.

Oh no he just didn't

madman
01-18-2016, 02:27 PM
I was looking at the Wellon devices from my searches, it looks like they bought the Needham's name so that's how I found them. There's also the EETools stuff which looks to be the best, but not sure I need to drop that kind of cash on something that I probably won't get that much use out of.

kuze
01-18-2016, 05:06 PM
Does the new software supports Windows 10? I would not like to update my laptop and find the programmer is not compatible. Also, where do you get the newest software? it seems they change the name of the web site frequently, I have not been able to track it lately.

Yeah it works on the latest Windows 10 Pro release. The site URL linked from the software is http://www.topwin6.com/soft-1.html, but it doesn't currently resolve to an address.

Here's a mirror for the latest installer I have for it:
https://anonfiles.com/file/4d386c79d94563639ed61d2b6be0836a

skate323k137
01-18-2016, 05:54 PM
Yeah it works on the latest Windows 10 Pro release. The site URL linked from the software is http://www.topwin6.com/soft-1.html, but it doesn't currently resolve to an address.

Here's a mirror for the latest installer I have for it:
https://anonfiles.com/file/4d386c79d94563639ed61d2b6be0836a

Thanks for that. I got a top2049 and had to scrounge up topwin6 on the web because the CD wouldn't work. It's worked pretty well for the few types of eproms I've thrown at it though. I opted for the top2049 over the gq-4x because most of what I burn requires an adapter on the gq-4x, where the top2049 handles them directly.

mainman
01-18-2016, 07:14 PM
Thanks for that. I got a top2049 and had to scrounge up topwin6 on the web because the CD wouldn't work. It's worked pretty well for the few types of eproms I've thrown at it though. I opted for the top2049 over the gq-4x because most of what I burn requires an adapter on the gq-4x, where the top2049 handles them directly.

You must be running a 32bit windows because there are no drivers for the obsolete 2049 in win7/8/10 64 bit.

skate323k137
01-18-2016, 07:33 PM
You must be running a 32bit windows because there are no drivers for the obsolete 2049 in win7/8/10 64 bit.

Yeah I keep an old 32 bit windows box around... it never sees the internet for obvious reasons. It's there for burning dreamcast games, eproms, and using winHIIP to load up PS2 hard drives.

aha2940
01-18-2016, 08:38 PM
Yeah I keep an old 32 bit windows box around... it never sees the internet for obvious reasons. It's there for burning dreamcast games, eproms, and using winHIIP to load up PS2 hard drives.

WinXP FTW!! LOL :)


Yeah it works on the latest Windows 10 Pro release. The site URL linked from the software is http://www.topwin6.com/soft-1.html, but it doesn't currently resolve to an address.

Here's a mirror for the latest installer I have for it:
https://anonfiles.com/file/4d386c79d94563639ed61d2b6be0836a

Thanks for the info and file, man :)

mainman
01-18-2016, 08:43 PM
In my case I just went with a triple boot Xp/7/10 configuration to handle both legacy and the latest and greatest.

BladeDancer314
02-09-2016, 12:08 PM
I'm looking into a top3000 programmer and I just wanted to ask you guys if they are all now compatible with Windows 7/10 64-bit.

There's a couple of comments that mention they don't work with 64-bit Windows.

mainman
02-09-2016, 02:12 PM
I'm looking into a top3000 programmer and I just wanted to ask you guys if they are all now compatible with Windows 7/10 64-bit.

There's a couple of comments that mention they don't work with 64-bit Windows.

The old top2049 are the models that are not 64 bit compatible.

As for the top3000, I can not remember with 100% certainty but I am at least 70% sure that the top3000/3100 are 64bit win7/8 compatible.

Asure
02-09-2016, 02:25 PM
Top3000 working here in Win10 64 bit. But you need to turn off driver signing and use the latest software which can be a pain to download from the slow chinese site.

BladeDancer314
02-09-2016, 02:58 PM
Awesome, thanks guys!

Yrouel
03-01-2016, 05:56 PM
I'm pretty happy with my TL866CS (aka MiniPro) it's relatively cheap and often bundled with an handful of adapters for sop/plcc packages. The software is good enough with only bit of chinglish here and there which however it's completely tolerable. The downside is that it won't program any really old EPROM that requires more then 21Vpp (programming voltage).
Other then the classic (E)EPROM programming features it can also program MCUs, test SRAM, program GAL/PLD/CPLD and test logic ICs (74xx, 40xx, etc)

mikejmoffitt
03-08-2016, 04:27 PM
I'm happy with the TLC866CS mostly, but the biggest and best 16-bit ROM it supports is the 27C2048 as far as I know, which is 16mbit. All others require a higher pin count. For that I'll probably look for a TOP 3000 or some similar.

Gradius2
05-18-2016, 02:22 AM
What was the last TOPWIN6 version?

Mine is v6.34P

Gradius2
05-18-2016, 02:26 AM
Top3000 working here in Win10 64 bit. But you need to turn off driver signing and use the latest software which can be a pain to download from the slow chinese site.

Link please? I couldn't find any.

Edit:

Found the last versions...

TopWin6 v6.51 (2014.12.13)

There is TopWin7 there too.

Link:
http://www.deviceprog.co.uk/index.php?route=cms/documents&page=4

The last Topall is v8.25 (2015.08.05) ?

Edit2

Nevermind, v8.33 is there too:
http://www.deviceprog.co.uk/index.php?route=cms/documents&page=3

madman
08-04-2016, 08:01 PM
I scooped a ChipMax2 off EBay, it was a roll of the dice since it was from one of those auction houses that pretty much sell anything and it was described as fully working. The only chip it complained about was the one an old UniBIOS that came in my Omega, not sure if there was some user error there or not, but it worked on everything else so it was a nice buy. As good as my old Needham's EMP-20 was back in the day, it was time to move on.

mainman
08-04-2016, 08:19 PM
I scooped a ChipMax2 off EBay, it was a roll of the dice since it was from one of those auction houses that pretty much sell anything and it was described as fully working. The only chip it complained about was the one an old UniBIOS that came in my Omega, not sure if there was some user error there or not, but it worked on everything else so it was a nice buy. As good as my old Needham's EMP-20 was back in the day, it was time to move on.

Definitely a good programmer, it's the same model I used in production at work for years.