Its a component to HDMI adapter. Takes 5v to power. It would have to be opened and wired, but nothing to crazy.
http://kotaku.com/5505009/wii-upscaler-review-can-the-wii-really-do-high-definition
HDMI Neo Geo. Could this be the answer?
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Its a component to HDMI adapter. Takes 5v to power. It would have to be opened and wired, but nothing to crazy.
http://kotaku.com/5505009/wii-upscaler-review-can-the-wii-really-do-high-definition
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Yeah I wouldn't think it would be worth the effort/money to convert the component to hdmi.... I don't really think you would get that much of a noticeable improvement with the Neo.
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Sadly, no
I have 2 of these junks lying around, both either broken (low built quality) or just plain crap scaler.
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You can get true HDMI by modding the console since the pixel bus is exposed. Basically for nice HDMI you'd need a FPGA with TMDS outputs and enough block ram to hold a line. Pixel aspect conversion (368 -> 2200) and color depth/space conversion will be lossy, but the FPGA can handle a 1D interpolator/the math.
This post just fried several synapses, but it sure sounds smart. If you can build a JAMMA-to-HDMI adapter, I will love you forever. Platonically.
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I'd like to get LWK to chime in on this. The question of input lag needs to be answered, and converting analog to digital (unless your method does something differently) is almost certain to involve some form of lag. Whether or not it's even noticeable is another story.
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The Neo has a discrete binary weighted DAC driven directly by the pixel output register, there wouldn't be any A-D conversion. There would be lag to buffer, upscan and interpolate, but only in the order of a line (64us). There would of course be input lag depending on the TV, possibly a number of FRAMES, but still, that's inevitable.
Deuce, there are a number of upscanning products such as the XRGB3 (w/ DVI out) that can handle RGB video. I wouldn't count on it handling the audio though since audio over DVI isn't mandatory and it's somewhat costly and difficult to sample and multiplex with the video in real time.
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-Component has been fully superseded by HDMI
-Lots of people play recent games on cheaper computer monitors which do not have component inputs
-99% of people's CRTs actually already do A-D-A conversion
-In the not so distant future CRTs will be even less available
-Most HDTVs have very poor handling of progressive signals, even over component
-Some people don't like keeping a CRT around for space/aesthetic reasons
-A separate video processor is pretty necessary for niche algorithms (such as a CRT filter)
-A separate video processor would give the same analog input performance to any display
-Lots of people play recent games on cheaper computer monitors which do not have component inputs
-99% of people's CRTs actually already do A-D-A conversion
-In the not so distant future CRTs will be even less available
-Most HDTVs have very poor handling of progressive signals, even over component
-Some people don't like keeping a CRT around for space/aesthetic reasons
-A separate video processor is pretty necessary for niche algorithms (such as a CRT filter)
-A separate video processor would give the same analog input performance to any display
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Ignore Hewitson, he's just trolling dude.
Back on topic though....
Have you used the XRGB3? Curious how it looks with a system like the Neo.
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I'd be interested in one but mainly out of necessity. My HDTVs aren't playable with regular interlaced input. Ideally I'd just cling to my CRT forever but it's in pretty bad shape and I really can't do any maintenance on it. I play on s-video so picture quality isn't a huge deal to me.
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I've been eyeing this one for a long time. Will this do the job? Which is the best one out right now?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Composite-S-Vid...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item518ed9b16f
http://cgi.ebay.com/Composite-S-Vid...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item518ed9b16f
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I have not, the XRGB3 has been out for like 4-5 years now, shops have sold out and people seem to want more than the original price for one. If you look on Youtube there are some videos showing off the quality, to me it looks quite good. I see in the latest firmware revision it now outputs 1920x1080 which should work seamlessly on "Full HD" TVs with a passive DVI->HDMI adapter. It's just a shame it doesn't have a universal tuner and CRT filter (so people can add whatever phosphor artifacts, tube distortion etc).
There are some Chinese upscanners that are SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper, but I don't know about their quality.
It would make a difference if your HDMI port works.
It might work fine but I wouldn't purchase a $265 product from a brand I've never heard of online. Looking at their site, they aren't strictly in the video business, so I would question whether or not it's really another generic unit re-cased/re-badged and if not, their expertise at video processing.
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Ah okay... I'll have to check out those videos. And yeah, if I decided to grab one I'd definitely go for one that the quality could be attested for...
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Yes, my hdmi port works fine.
Your right, thats just me being a cheap ass. I would definitley love to get my hands on a XRGB3 or some reliable upscaler that would do the job.
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Absolute bullshit. Not even composite is superseded, yet alone component.
Well, surely you'd get a crappy picture displaying a 15khz source on a 31khz screen. Doing the opposite certainly looks terrible.
Couldn't agree more.
Agreed. However, I dislike the way most TV's handle HDMI as well. They seem to take a very long time to switch between HDMI/other sources.
A CRT is an absolute necessity for this hobby. Its as simple as that.
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A direct RGB to HDMI upscaler makes more sense to me than going to YPbPr component first, then to HDMI. I think adding an extra step to the conversion could create loss in quality. Surely someone will make a decent quality affordable RGB to HDMI converter at some point.
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Exactly how is that not entirely true? Click for definition. TVs are now typically built with ONE legacy component input, and 3+ HDMI. Component was the best consumer connection on "high end" TVs from like 1998-2004, that's it. HDMI is everywhere already, even the shittiest TVs, it will be everywhere for many more years to come; component still isn't on, and never will be on budget TVs.
I'm talking about people using cheap LCD monitors with HDMI inputs. They work great at their native resolution with recent game consoles. Besides, if you FRAME-DOUBLE 240p video to 33 kHz, it looks no different on a 33 kHz CRT than on a standard resolution monitor. And terrible video quality is relative, some people don't care for "scanlines" and might prefer line-doubled video.
A TV could do the same for any other source, it's not an innate problem with HDMI.
That's your opinion, but plenty of people get by without one... My opinion is that as flat screen technologies progress, CRT simulation will allow CRT-reverse-elitists to get rid of their CRTs.
It would, but a decent RGB->HDMI converter should also handle component since the conversion is trivial. An algorithm could probably pretty accurately auto-detect too. The same goes for NTSC/PAL composite/S-Video.