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Does anybody know what programing language Neo Games are programed in?
it has to be an older language right?
it has to be an older language right?
Neo Programing language
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It can't be Visual Basic that wasn't introduced until a few years after the Neo was introduced.
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OF COURSE it's not Visual Basic: VB is for wussies!!
(Windoze-ridden wussies to be more accurate)
It has to be C/C++ or ASM no doubt!
(Windoze-ridden wussies to be more accurate)
It has to be C/C++ or ASM no doubt!
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Have a look at this, it may be of help.
<a href="http://www.sys2064.com/legalroms/neodemo.zip" target="_blank">http://www.sys2064.com/legalroms/neodemo.zip</a>
<a href="http://www.sys2064.com/legalroms/neodemo.zip" target="_blank">http://www.sys2064.com/legalroms/neodemo.zip</a>
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I thought it contained tools for game dev, I havnt tried it, may have got it mixed up with another file.
Whent back to the home page and its no longer there
There was a prototype game that would run on nrx and details how to compile.
Sorry for the bum steer.
Whent back to the home page and its no longer there
There was a prototype game that would run on nrx and details how to compile.Sorry for the bum steer.
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Originally posted by ttooddddyy:
<strong>I thought it contained tools for game dev, I havnt tried it, may have got it mixed up with another file.
Whent back to the home page and its no longer there
Sorry for the bum steer.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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More often than not, games for 16 bit consoles (68000 based ones at least) are programmed in some variant of C or C++.
Assembly language is often used to get the best performance out of the hardware since it will give you direct access to the hardware in the most efficient way possible.
Assembly language is often used to get the best performance out of the hardware since it will give you direct access to the hardware in the most efficient way possible.
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How much math is involved if any?
Not that much, really. You just need to be able to understand the cartesian coordinate system, because most systems treat their display as an X-Y grid with (0,0) at the upper left corner, and the (Max X, Max Y) at the lower right corner. If you can grasp that, then you probably have all the math skills you'll need for a basic 2d game.
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that's good to know
actually, I've talked to some people at length about this and they say it was almost all done in 6800 ASM.
basically, they got a few games to work, reused code and kept doing that. That's why so many games look like fighters or bubble bobble. it's easy to make changes to an existing engine to support a new idea, rather than do something radical and start from scratch.
Although I heard of a little being done in C, I have never heard of anything done on the neo in anything else, including C++.
So, go out and learn 6800 asm. Math is going to be the least of your worries.
basically, they got a few games to work, reused code and kept doing that. That's why so many games look like fighters or bubble bobble. it's easy to make changes to an existing engine to support a new idea, rather than do something radical and start from scratch.
Although I heard of a little being done in C, I have never heard of anything done on the neo in anything else, including C++.
So, go out and learn 6800 asm. Math is going to be the least of your worries.
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neo doesnt have the overhead for c++
most games are done in assembly, just like genesis, snes, etc.
a few games are also done in C but not many.
most games are done in assembly, just like genesis, snes, etc.
a few games are also done in C but not many.
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Originally posted by bemanisuperstar:
<strong>Does anybody know what programing language Neo Games are programed in?
it has to be an older language right?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Basicly you can program for the NG in any language you want as long you have ported the compilers to M68K
The NG games are mainly programmed C otherwise you wouldn't seen any port of a NG game until now.
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The MVS system is programmed in machine language, asm, assembly, whichever you want to call it.
And don't pity machine laNguage programmers. That is the TRUE elitehood of programming. To make hardware sing its best song, you really need to use assembly.
When you consider the Neo hardware, to program in anything except assembly is foolhardy, unless oyu wish for really slow games. A 12 MHz CPu and 32K of RAM, with 32K of battery RAM. C would much the specs within a split second by using wasteful programming techqiues.
Assembly isnt all that hard to learn. One merely has to take off the training wheels of high level languages and get ready to pound the code. One of my projectsrequired some hooks into the code for a Neo Geo ticket redemption option was a seperate processor with about 75 lines of assembly code, 8 bit.
Learn assembly. It will graduate you froma mere grunt to a real programmer.
And don't pity machine laNguage programmers. That is the TRUE elitehood of programming. To make hardware sing its best song, you really need to use assembly.
When you consider the Neo hardware, to program in anything except assembly is foolhardy, unless oyu wish for really slow games. A 12 MHz CPu and 32K of RAM, with 32K of battery RAM. C would much the specs within a split second by using wasteful programming techqiues.
Assembly isnt all that hard to learn. One merely has to take off the training wheels of high level languages and get ready to pound the code. One of my projectsrequired some hooks into the code for a Neo Geo ticket redemption option was a seperate processor with about 75 lines of assembly code, 8 bit.
Learn assembly. It will graduate you froma mere grunt to a real programmer.
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C????? LOL yeah right.
Look at the CPUs - 68k, Z80 and anything custom. Learn their languages!
Look at the CPUs - 68k, Z80 and anything custom. Learn their languages!
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Seriously folks, would you ever recommend learning ASM to this bemanisuperstar guy who I'm guessing it's a newbie to programming (and excuse me if I'm wrong)? Dude, just learn C/C++ first *then* ASM if you want or need to. I haven't programmed in ASM for years now and I can grant you I'm not exactly fond to those memories. Plus almost no 1 uses ASM anymore (thank gods!). Hell even the virii writers themselves switched to other languages already!
And yeah, I admit ASM is all l33t and shit. No 1 can deny that; It's only that we're not in the 8/16 bit era anymore, y'know?
And yeah, I admit ASM is all l33t and shit. No 1 can deny that; It's only that we're not in the 8/16 bit era anymore, y'know?
Hehe, I had to do 68000 ASM programming for 2 years now cause that's the processor we use for Computer Engineering (my major) at my school. I was the tutor for the intro class last year on it too 
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<strong>Seriously folks, would you ever recommend learning ASM to this bemanisuperstar guy who I'm guessing it's a newbie to programming (and excuse me if I'm wrong)? Dude, just learn C/C++ first *then* ASM if you want or need to. I haven't programmed in ASM for years now and I can grant you I'm not exactly fond to those memories. Plus almost no 1 uses ASM anymore (thank gods!). Hell even the virii writers themselves switched to other languages already!
And yeah, I admit ASM is all l33t and shit. No 1 can deny that; It's only that we're not in the 8/16 bit era anymore, y'know?</strong>[/QUOTE]
ASM is used in most of the playstation 2 games on the market, just for the really low level rendering code though.
<strong>Seriously folks, would you ever recommend learning ASM to this bemanisuperstar guy who I'm guessing it's a newbie to programming (and excuse me if I'm wrong)? Dude, just learn C/C++ first *then* ASM if you want or need to. I haven't programmed in ASM for years now and I can grant you I'm not exactly fond to those memories. Plus almost no 1 uses ASM anymore (thank gods!). Hell even the virii writers themselves switched to other languages already!
And yeah, I admit ASM is all l33t and shit. No 1 can deny that; It's only that we're not in the 8/16 bit era anymore, y'know?</strong>[/QUOTE]
ASM is used in most of the playstation 2 games on the market, just for the really low level rendering code though.