Nice, a quote battle. I haven't done this in a while. It should be fun.
Oh Great people that love to insult, this gives me the incentive to break down what you graciously replied to thank you.
It's hilarious that people calling you a boob is what drives you to go into long online diatribes. I can only imagine what other names I can throw your way to
really get you going, but for now I'll break down your poorly constructed argument piece by piece and let you know why your thread is misguided, at best.
Here's the deal the internet has 2 things going for it, upload and download. If you have a download speed of say 8 MEG but your upload speed is under 1 MEG guess what all your games will be crappy unless you can find someone with a lot of upload on their side to compensate the fact. So, chances are you have crappy upload at best and whine all day about only a few matches have no lag. Dude I just got done playing Germany that had lag, but was quite playable. Wanna guess why? I have a good amount of upload.
Also what goes into this is if you live in a heavily populated area. If you live in the city and try to play during primetime or the weekend in general hours you might notice your internet is not as fast as it normally is either. Playing at that time causes extra lag in matches. Now I bet you're cussing at me right now but remember the other side is prone to this as well. You might have great connection and the guy you are playing does not. Guess what?!?!? That causes lag too.
The internet has
a lot more than the two variables you've outlined as "upload and download." While you may assume (like you've done a lot in this thread) that my upload is to blame, I'll let you know that my connection is more than adequate, and more importantly, that
I live right behind my ISP so I also get incredible ping rates. When I have
frequent issues with latency with a few games, and get incredible connections with others, I'll go out on the limb and criticize the netcode, especially when there's a whole online community having the same issues. Or maybe you need to explain how latency works for them so they can correct the handful of games that plague them of this problem. I'm sure you'll solve all their issues.
Now lets go onto the other part of your rant shall we. The netcode sucks. I hear this a lot. It's a good battle cry for the people above, but I forget you have something to compare it to and say this happens to be oh..... I dunno Capcom's with their answer to netcode right? Capcom uses a netcode that does not try to keep the gamespeed at a static rate rather it cheats by making it a variable rate. The rate tries to be a miminal as possible, but it has the option to change as much or as little as it needs to. This is like playing a target shoot game that instead of moving at the same speed, changes speed whenever it wants to. If you rely on pinpoint accuracy I am VERY suprised this doesn't drive you insane, but I forget this is superior to anything out there so I'll bow to the terrific netcode. Way to go there.
It's simple: Playing 100 matches of KOF 12 and 100 matches of SF4, SF4 has more playable matches. It also has a larger community. KOF12 would have a huge community online if people weren't so turned off by the fact that they can't execute anything due to the poor netcode, and that's exactly what it is: poor netcode. You can break down how Capcom uses their netcode, and use plenty of analogies to make yourself seem educated on the subject, but when the majority of people pop the game in they hardly ever get playable games. They don't care why, or how it works, just the fact that it
doesn't.
Boy you don't read too well do you? When did I say I hate playing people in person? Let me help you out by quoting myself shall we.
Here comes the quote that has nothing to do with the conversation, or why he has issues playing people in person
Fact of the matter is if you want to get the feel of playing anyone besides friends in an SNK game you need to migrate to online (unless you are the few that live on the coast where the arcades are still revelant). SNK's fanbase is hard to come by in the U.S., though I will be the first to admit SNK is not dead in other countries. It is all but out here except for the few that won't let it die.
Nice, now I'll quote you multiple times where you cry about playing people in person:
seriously what kind of arcade do you have if you have no opportunity for anyone else to play and say you even invite friends over you might get them to play what once or twice a week if lucky, and you don't get the feeling of some stranger coming in on your game and trying to figure out how he plays do you?
So, because you have friends that only like to play with your dumb ass twice a week, you assume that's the case for everybody else? Because that's exactly what you're doing: criticizing people on these boards for not playing online and wanting to play in person. FYI, I've invited a lot of people from this board and SRK to my place to get some games going in person. Yeah, they're strangers, but after hours of solid gaming (with no lag), you develop (gasp) friendships.
Fact of the matter is if you want to get the feel of playing anyone besides friends in an SNK game you need to migrate to online
This is so retarded. You're making broad claims you think applies to everyone, and no, the fact that you only omitted people on the "coast" doesn't narrow anything down. There's high level players all over this country, and tournaments held in a lot of places other than the "coasts." Just because you live in a shit part of the country and get all your competition online don't be upset (or disappointed, lol) with others with different options. I feel like a broken record, but I really feel like I'm arguing with a dumb person.
Last I am not mad with everyone, just disappointed, disappointed noone wants to do anything w/ SNK games except put them in there own personal museum to bring out once or twice for friends ot maybe just to play the computer over and over again cause we all know fighting games are all about playing the computer right?
Once again, you admit to being disappointed with others and assume they have the same shitty circle of friends that you do. Then you go as far to assume they just play the CPU when they aren't bringing it out once or twice a week. Let's face the facts: you don't know a thing about the audience you claim to be disappointed in. You shouldn't be surprised that we're calling you a boob. You should be surprised you aren't being called worse. But anyway, let's go back to the original argument. My early 90s reference was tongue-in-cheek, because I didn't take your post seriously, but it's merit was found in your disappointment you only further reinforced with this latest reply.
What have we learned today... oh yeah that there is no online game that does not have lag, so using your brilliant deduction NOBODY should be playing online games that wants to be a high level player. If that's the case why are the "high level players" in here saying the netcode sucks? You should turn your nose to all online games cause online is never perfect right? Oh sorry maybe I just don't understand your logic cause I am too stupid. Too stupid to understand why high level gamers that apparently play online cause they come in here to complain about someone trying to get gamers that play online to play the games online cause they would not play online cause they are high level gamers. Yup.... you're too smart for me!
What have we learned: Mr Bakaboy has few friends who care to play the same games he does, and perhaps is jealous of the community who actually gets together in person to meet up and game.
I'm well aware of latency found in all online games. However, when the netcode is bad, it compounds the latency issue. What about that do you not understand? When
you are in the minority about the issue of KOF12's netcode, doesn't that send any flags up? Or are you one of those people who is never wrong? I would
never criticize people for playing online, just like I would never criticize people for playing offline. However, there are games like Third Strike that are a whole different game offline. I'm not saying you can't become a good, or competent player in the game, but when you face a high level player offline you will get smoked 10 times out of 10. LWK can back me up on this here. That's why when I play Third Strike online, I'm not doing it to be a serious high level player. I'm doing it to have fun.
I consider myself a high level Fatal Fury Special player, and I
do play this game online, but I would never get upset if somebody chose not to play it online because they felt it crippled their game. In the end, it's how you have fun with these games, and if you don't like how Mr. Joe-Blow on ng.com plays his games then you can eat a bowl of dicks.
