Garou was a flop?

I heard this elsewhere....

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is this a proper statement or did whom ever claim this have their head up their ass?

GodOfHardcore said:

I heard this elsewhere....

Discuss...

is this a proper statement or did whom ever claim this have their head up their ass?

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GodOfHardcore said:

I heard this elsewhere....

Discuss...

is this a proper statement or did whom ever claim this have their head up their ass?

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must have been you.

I heard that the weather was nice today.

So GodOfHardcore is michiyoYoshiku? Well, that makes sense.

Firstly, "Garou" is a series, not a game.

Secondly, MotW was a financial flop. Everyone knows this.

Except you.


Being a financial flop has nothing to do with the quality of the game, which in this case was high. It has to do with the number of people who want to pay money to play the game, which in this case was low.

SouthtownKid said:

So GodOfHardcore is michiyoYoshiku? Well, that makes sense.

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I will neither confirm nor deny this

Firstly, "Garou" is a series, not a game.

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Garou Dentetsu would be the full name, Garou: Mark of the wolves is commonly referred to as just Garou. But you know this.

Secondly, MotW was a financial flop. Everyone knows this.

Except you.


Being a financial flop has nothing to do with the quality of the game, which in this case was high. It has to do with the number of people who want to pay money to play the game, which in this case was low.

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Define Financial flop then?

3 console ports that have by it's small niche standards done well is a flop...
I did a search I looked around I couldn't find anything that confirms your claim.
Obviously SNK must know people like the game or there would not have been 3 console ports.
(And I do have all 3 ports as well)
And since we're in such a niche here, what even constitues a flop in SNK land? Things in SNK world are assbackwords...just how long was it before shodown II got a console port? (3 years was it and only in Japan right?)

In such case disappointment might be a better word than flat out flop.

Ninja Master's is a flop (not to knock that game it's...just ok)

Garou: Mark of the wolves IF what you state is true would be a disapointment considering the game as I stated has 3 ports and is generally beloved by most fighting game fans.

Sensible?

Keep looking.

GodOfHardcore said:

In such case disappointment might be a better word than flat out flop.

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How many fucking times are you going to re-edit one post?

A disappointment is when something doesn't do as well as was hoped but still makes money.

A flop is when the company spends a lot of money but takes a loss because they spent more to make it than it earned back. MotW was a FLOP.

That is WHY they keep re-issuing it. They are trying to make their money back. That is why SNKP does all of their many ports, rather than make new games. They are cheap to produce and give SNKP a second chance to make money off the same game.

SouthtownKid said:

Keep looking.

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I googled and yahooed and binged using your exact phrasing...

nothing.

But we can't debate that MOTW is popular no?


Can any one for the sake of this argument tell/know how many copies of MOTW were manufactured?
Is it a heavily bootlegged game which could have cut into legit sales?

SouthtownKid said:

How many fucking times are you going to re-edit one post?

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Until it sounds right.

Guy i knew back in the day use to have a route of video game machines and he had a Garou and Sf3 machine that use to make him alot of money.

GodOfHardcore said:

But we can't debate that MOTW is popular no?

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It is popular with fans of SNK fighting games.

You seem to think that is a much larger group of people than it is.

mungrin said:

Guy i knew back in the day use to have a route of video game machines and he had a Garou and Sf3 machine that use to make him alot of money.

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One machine? What is that supposed to prove? If you put a MotW cab somewhere where there are SNK fans, it will do well. That doesn't mean the game was a mainstream success. It wasn't.

mungrin said:

Guy i knew back in the day use to have a route of video game machines and he had a Garou and Sf3 machine that use to make him alot of money.

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I don't think anybody is doubting that. Just seems like it didn't do SNK as much good.

SouthtownKid said:

That is WHY they keep re-issuing it. They are trying to make their money back. That is why SNKP does all of their many ports, rather than make new games. They are cheap to produce and give SNKP a second chance to make money off the same game.

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That makes sense {Edit} BUT see now you twisted your own words. Your prior statement was The game as a whole Ports and ALL was a flop.
If you meant the AES/MVS version well...it's AES MVS alot of them can't have done AS WELL as SNK hoped right?

How many carts were made?

How many bootlegs?

Wasn't Garou made at a point MVS bootlegs were getting more common?

lastly I do know quite a few non SNK fans that like Garou. Not a huge number of people but still a good number.

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Is this supposed to be flame bait or something? Many of these questions have been anwered before, or not answered I suppose because it isn't possible to for the most part. You can speculate ranges of how many of a particular cart were made, but nobody knows the exact number.

michiyo, just make a new post instead of editing and re-editing to make your post say something different every 5 minutes.

And FYI, the MotW ports didn't sell well, either. THEY DON'T HAVE TO, because they are so cheap to make.

The majority of video game players today aren't interested in 2D fighting games any more. That's why there are so few of them when you go to a place mainstream gamers shop, like Best Buy or whatever.

On the rare occasion when a new 2D SNKP fighter comes out, like NBC, lots of stores don't even order it, and at the places that do, it sits on shelves for a couple months and then they put it on clearance to get rid of it.

GodOfHardcore said:

lastly I do know quite a few non SNK fans that like Garou. Not a huge number of people but still a good number.

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Do you understand that you are talking about fighting game fans? You are not talking about a random sampling of all people or even of all video game players. You are talking about a small sub-set of video game players. You are a fighting game fan. Unsurprisingly, you know other fighting game fans. BIG DEAL. That doesn't mean everyone is a fighting game fan. It just means that you think you and your small group of friends represent the entire world. That is delusion.

If you scroll down the main page, you will see that we have an "All About Shooters" sub-forum. You will find a good number of people here who love shooters. But that doesn't mean the genre is popular with the rest of the gaming community as much as it was 15-20 years ago.

OF COURSE you know a "good number" of people who like MotW. So do I. Look where we hang out.

It was both a flop in terms of release interest of play and a financial one.

Lord Wolfgang Krauser said:

It was both a flop in terms of release interest of play and a financial one.

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For the sake of the conversation and the thread-starter, you should point out that you are a fan of the game.

SouthtownKid said:

michiyo, just make a new post instead of editing and re-editing to make your post say something different every 5 minutes.

And FYI, the MotW ports didn't sell well, either. THEY DON'T HAVE TO, because they are so cheap to make.

The majority of video game players today aren't interested in 2D fighting games any more. That's why there are so few of them when you go to a place mainstream gamers shop, like Best Buy or whatever.

On the rare occasion when a new 2D SNKP fighter comes out, like NBC, lots of stores don't even order it, and at the places that do, it sits on shelves for a couple months and then they put it on clearance to get rid of it.

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5 years ago this would be true but we're in a bit of a 2d fighter and fighter a whole reemergence now, Blaz blue has done quite well. AND if the Ports didn't sell well how come both made to best/drekore status? Hmm?

Up until recently what was the fastest selling XBOX live arcade game ever?

It was HD Remix. Fighters still have a huge audience. If I wasn't so tired and trying to get windows 3.1 going in Dos Box I'd go on and face it I'll be too busy with Tekken 6 to keep this debate going tomorrow....

Do you understand that you are talking about fighting game fans? You are not talking about a random sampling of all people or even of all video game players. You are talking about a small sub-set of video game players. You are a fighting game fan. Unsurprisingly, you know other fighting game fans. BIG DEAL. That doesn't mean everyone is a fighting game fan. It just means that you think you and your small group of friends represent the entire world. That is delusion.

If you scroll down the main page, you will see that we have an "All About Shooters" sub-forum. You will find a good number of people here who love shooters. But that doesn't mean the genre is popular with the rest of the gaming community as much as it was 15-20 years ago.

OF COURSE you know a "good number" of people who like MotW. So do I. Look where we hang out.

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How large has EVO gotten? how much media coverage have fighters gotten on mainstream sites?

Right?

Anyway I moved this debate here becuase I thought it would be less heated and less people know about my uh...antics here

And I guess it was civil.

But I think we reached a stale mate as the discussion got way too far and logical and advanced past the point than I thought it would.

besides..in a few hours I'll be too busy playing Tekken 6 to even care what you said about Garou.

Britain is a flop

SouthtownKid said:

For the sake of the conversation and the thread-starter, you should point out that you are a fan of the game.

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I think garou was the most unfair flop in SNK's history though. The gameplay really was amazing. Haha, I will say that when you figure out the feint cancel system, the game becomes pretty dirty in terms of guard break in a instant. My friends gibs and jaime are killers in garou.

Also, Kevin is way to good due to his endless P power meter building, and the fact he can pull some pretty easy 100%'s off one instance of P-power via rejuggles.

GodOfHardcore said:

I heard this elsewhere....

Discuss...

is this a proper statement or did whom ever claim this have their head up their ass?

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It wasn't really a flop more than 2D was being outfavored in favor of 3D(no matter how horrible it was back then). So it wasn't anywhere near a failure, but it was released around the beginning of the 3D hype.

SHO said:

Britain is a flop

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Gigli is a bigger flop.

Ruell said:

It wasn't really a flop more than 2D was being outfavored in favor of 3D(no matter how horrible it was back then). So it wasn't anywhere near a failure, but it was released around the beginning of the 3D hype.

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Yeah, that's one of the points I was trying to make.

I think it's a bit unfair to a call a game with a following like Garou a flop.Not to mention console ports with equivalent Greatest hits status.

I bet if I got on Xbox live now at 3 am on a tuesday morning I'd find somebody to play online in Garou.

GodOfHardcore said:

besides..in a few hours I'll be too busy playing Tekken 6 to even care what you said about Garou.

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You and the rest of the video gaming world (not me, though). Thanks for helping prove my point.

Lord Wolfgang Krauser said:

I think garou was the most unfair flop in SNK's history though.

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Yeah, probably. If it had come out 5 or 6 years earlier, it probably would have been massive.

Ruell said:

It wasn't really a flop more than 2D was being outfavored in favor of 3D

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That doesn't mean it wasn't a flop; it just means there were other reasons it flopped rather than it being because the game wasn't good. Mainstream audiences had moved on.

And by the way, 1999 was not anywhere near the beginning of the "3D hype."

GodOfHardcore said:

I think it's a bit unfair to a call a game with a following like Garou a flop.

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Unfortunately, what you think is "fair" has no bearing on the definition of the word flop.