KOF XII Criticism unfair v. BlazBlue

So after reading the many threads on the site dedicated to XII, and reading Famitsu's review of XII, I started to wonder...

Why is SNKP getting beat up over the lack of story and 'boss' in XII, when BlazBlue basically skates on having what I consider the same issues

Sure BlazBlue has a 'story', but really...its pretty damn weak in Arcade mode. Yes...the 'story' mode is a nice addition, but c'mon...lack of story a downfall in a fighter? Really shitty reason for Famitsu and people to count a strike against it

Second...lack of characters. Yes I know...KOF is known for its roster..and the fact they excluded Mai pisses even me off, but where is the critique against BlazBlue for its very small cast of characters?

The point of my thread....I feel like KOF XII is getting shit for the exact same thing other fighters that were recently released get away with.

Do I think it sucks there is no story in KOF and a smaller roster ? Yeah sure

But I don't think Famitsu's review is very fair

Just a thought really

Also...BlazBlue has no real 'boss'...or at least a fight that feels like a 'boss fight'...and Seth in SFIV kind of sucked in my opinion

Why no Rugal though...bummer

Yeah, fuck Famitsu.

I've never liked my fighting games with a bunch of superfluous story scenes added in...I just want to jump in, fight a solid couple of matches then do it again. That's why I prefer RBFF2 to RBFFS.

I wouldn't say that BlazBlue's "story" is anything to brag aboout...what an effin' waste. Stupid unintellible weeabo bullshit as always.

As long as they get the fight engine/online right I could give a shit about anything else.

KanYozakura said:

As long as they get the fight engine/online right I could give a shit about anything else.

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My point exactly. If KOF XII has shitty netcode..I will be the first in line to bitch and complain and throw SNK under the bus for fucking KOF up.

But if its a super solid fighter w/ great online matches...its worth every dollar spent!

Story or not

awbacon said:

My point exactly. If KOF XII has shitty netcode..I will be the first in line to bitch and complain and throw SNK under the bus for fucking KOF up.

But if its a super solid fighter w/ great online matches...its worth every dollar spent!

Story or not

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Right now SNKP is 2 for 2 on bad netcode with Motw & 98UM. It won't be too shocking if they botch XII's netcode up.

Kim Kaphwan said:

Right now SNKP is 2 for 2 on bad netcode with Motw & 98UM. It won't be too shocking if they botch XII's netcode up.

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Wasn't the FFS and SSII netcode good though?

I haven't DL'd either one yet.

KanYozakura said:

Yeah, fuck Famitsu.

I've never liked my fighting games with a bunch of superfluous story scenes added in...I just want to jump in, fight a solid couple of matches then do it again. That's why I prefer RBFF2 to RBFFS.

I wouldn't say that BlazBlue's "story" is anything to brag aboout...what an effin' waste. Stupid unintellible weeabo bullshit as always.

As long as they get the fight engine/online right I could give a shit about anything else.

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I'm probably going to kick your ass tomorrow.

Its too fucking simple, they stripped it back way too much, i mean 3 - 4 moves per character and 1 dm?

It Just saddens me that all the time and revisions they put into making characters like Robert and Ryo Different and its all lost here, oh Roberts Fireballs travel Ryo's dont...don't get me started on Clark they have complete ruined him...

I seriously would not be moaning if they had they're modern move sets even with no new moves, i think the graphics upgrade would have been enough for me but its just like "is this it?"

No one can say that this is a finished product.

NeoDragoN said:

Its too fucking simple, they stripped it back way too much, i mean 3 - 4 moves per character and 1 dm?

It Just saddens me that all the time and revisions they put into making characters like Robert and Ryo Different and its all lost here, oh Roberts Fireballs travel Ryo's dont...don't get me started on Clark they have complete ruined him...

I seriously would not be moaning if they had they're modern move sets even with no new moves, i think the graphics upgrade would have been enough for me but its just like "is this it?"

No one can say that this is a finished product.

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With downloadable updates, items can be shipped broken.

Now if they fix it is another question unto itself.

I though 98UM had at least passable online play, at least when compared to Garou. Its a little bit crappier than SF4 I guess. I don't think xii will be as bad as Garou at least, Garou was unplayable.

People still read video game magazines?

One great thing about Blazblue is it's superior netcode. SNKP should take notice. The way the handle ragequitters online with their name highlighted in red is a nice addition.

quit covering for SNK.
kof 12 is incomplete.
SNK is just being lazy.

am i the only one who fuckin hates the term/phrase "netcode" ? because i do.

online play for the snk releases on the original xbox was fine, so i dont really think itll be an issue for xii.

also it blows my mind when people directly compare blazblue to street fighter and kof. its on a whole separate tier below them, with guilty gear and other shitty doujin fighters, and mugen.

awbacon said:

Second...lack of characters. Yes I know...KOF is known for its roster..and the fact they excluded Mai pisses even me off, but where is the critique against BlazBlue for its very small cast of characters?

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I understand were your coming from but try not to compare Blaz Blue with Kof. Compare KOF w/ Street Fighter. Kof has a way larger fan base then Blaz Blue and Its been around for a long time so people are expecting alot out of it and by not having there usual big roster is a major turn off. SNK knows what Kof fans want, GIVE IT TO THEM!!!

Not saying this game is not going to be great or anything, I just hope it lives up to KOF XI.

Don't forget: Famitsu gave Final Fantasy XII a perfect 40/40. How trustworthy can they be after something like that?

All I can say is, I've been having a huge amount of fun online with BlazBlue. I can only hope that KOF XII can do the same.

MeTaLCzAr said:

With downloadable updates, items can be shipped broken.

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I hate the changing times, back in my days a product had to be tested for bugs and worked when it shipped out the factory, you youngsters are spoiled.

eh, it's Famitsu. They are probably the most inconsistant reviewers out there. Nothing they do makes any sense. A lot of people seem to respect them just because "it's fucking JAPAN REVEIWS DUDE!!!!!". But they are no better then IGN nor anywhere else.

My point is that the criticism lobbed at XII is unwarranted, as far as story and character selection goes

Now if the move set is weak and not very deep, that is a GOOD reason to rag on the game

If the online is lag-tastic, another fail

But if the game is engrossing, online play is speedy, and the graphics are nice to look at, its a total win in my book.

Simple fact...I bought BlazBlue and SF IV...played arcade mode a few times, and now I only play online matches

Anyone who buys a fighter for the story is a sucker

People expect story in a KOF because it's a KOF.

Personally I'm curious how they're going to end the Ash Crimson Saga, stupid as it may be.

awbacon said:

Anyone who buys a fighter for the story is a sucker

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That's kinda true, but storyline is not all that is missing. I mean from what I have read this game has no special intros, half the roster is gone, is missing endings, is missing an end boss (or end bosses), has no fucking taunts etc.. shit half the fucking game is MIA. What the hell is SNKP doing these days, other than butchering the good old SNK games and making them for worthless handhelds, or just making half a game and selling it as a complete game? I just do NOT understand what SNK is thinking these days.

Even if it takes them another YEAR to finish this game, then they need to simply just keep working on it until it is finished. Releasing KOF12 in its current state is like releasing a broken unfinished game. But from what I heard about SNKP this does not surprise me. Shit they released a game on the Gameboy (Cardfighters on DS?) that wasn't even playable to the end.

I am sad that SNKP has gotten to this point. Perhaps it was best for them to leave the Neo-Geo in the end. I love the old SNK, and wanted to see more games on the Geo, but damn, not games of this type of fucked up quality control.

Great so the characters got a rehaul and HD sprites, the rest of the game is fucked up! So all you whiners got what you asked for. You begged and begged for them to update the sprites, that's all everyone asked for constantly. And sadly that's all that SNKP focused on. Now we finally get a new KOF with updated sprites, and everything else is missing. unbelievable

I would have rather had a complete KOF game with new intros/endings, endbosses, taunts, a complete roster, etc.. and kept the old sprites. These few new sprites in HD were not worth the sacrifice of everything else.

LoneSage said:

People expect story in a KOF because it's a KOF.

Personally I'm curious how they're going to end the Ash Crimson Saga, stupid as it may be.

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XBL Name.

awbacon said:

Anyone who buys a fighter for the story is a sucker

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Your right, I'm going to admit, I'm a big sucker for a chessey story line and boss battles. Always have been, always will be. I've always enjoyed playing a fighting game at least once in story mode or in arcade mode before actually getting into vs. mode with another player or online. That's why I always thought Snk fighters like Sam Sho and Garou MOTW were so special.

Your not going to tell me in Sam Sho III when you fight Zankaro @ the end didn't SOOP you up? Fuck yes, I'm a major sucker.

A story in a KoF game is a must for many Japanese gamers (and of course not only them), that's all there is to it. I'm not a huge story buff but always loved the cheesy KoF storylines with Orochi and NESTS and whatnot, it always was part of the game, doesn't feel right if there's none.

I could care less about famitsu, but looking at it objectively.
kof has always had story, it's what it's known for.
so the game has been graphically updated.
do you know when the game should have been graphically updated?
some time when the second or third iterations of guilty gear came out
and was spanking SNK's creative behind.
I'd argue that with 2003 they actually started regressing graphics wise.

so to finally update the graphics and take everything that made the game in
the past in lieu of it is just plain lazy.
it's incomplete and they could do better.
all they'd need is one month of development time and they'd have a boss and minimal endings.
this is a primer game to rip you off till they get back on track of making yearly kofs.

Gotta love prototypes. But, it beats getting something rather than nothing.