Caps without soldering

I have a question:

How BAD is it to NOT solder on caps if you have the ability? I replaced caps in my Dreamcast for my contoller ports, and I just twisted them onto the pre exsting pegs from the old cap, and it works just fine. Outside of holding on snuggly, what am I losing from not soldering and just making a very very tight coil that wrapps around the old peg on a mother board?

This may be absurd to some of you here, but I'm looking at doing the least about of damage to my motherboard and have it still work. Thanks,

for the love of god solder them in


shesh

dont make me come over to your house and beat you up

werejag said:

for the love of god solder them in


shesh

dont make me come over to your house and beat you up

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Beat me up?

Anyhow, why? Why should I? I'm not trying to be a dick, I just wonder why is it's so damn important if it works just as well without it? This is an honest question, of course... .not trying to be difficult.

Dude... that would be a pathetic repair... one begging for the cap to fall off & short things out.

Where are you?

RJ

channelmaniac said:

Dude... that would be a pathetic repair... one begging for the cap to fall off & short things out.

Where are you?

RJ

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I'm in Rockford, IL (near chicago). I'm a lazy fucking bastard, if you can't tell. I bought a mother board and it has the famous problem of low sound that warms up over time and gets louder.... needs caps to fix it, and god damn it, I don't want to deal with it. That's why I ask. Also, I'm horrible at soldering.

learn to solder its not hard to learn

werejag said:

learn to solder its not hard to learn

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I love how nobody's answering the question I asked. Would performance be any different (beyond it falling off)? Honestly. It's just a question...

a repair is worth doing right the first time instead of half assing it and having more problems later. do the right thing and fix it right instead of the bullshit way you did it.

Spike Spiegel said:

I have a question:

How BAD is it to NOT solder on caps if you have the ability? I replaced caps in my Dreamcast for my contoller ports, and I just twisted them onto the pre exsting pegs from the old cap, and it works just fine. Outside of holding on snuggly, what am I losing from not soldering and just making a very very tight coil that wrapps around the old peg on a mother board?

This may be absurd to some of you here, but I'm looking at doing the least about of damage to my motherboard and have it still work. Thanks,

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You're not making optimal contact between the component and the PCB. While it may work, it's not going to work nearly as well if you had soldered it properly to the pcb.

Spike Spiegel said:

I love how nobody's answering the question I asked. Would performance be any different (beyond it falling off)? Honestly. It's just a question...

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if you want to hear that which tickles your ears talk to yourself. if you want to hear whats right scroll up and read.

werejag said:

a repair is worth doing right the first time instead of half assing it and having more problems later. do the right thing and fix it right instead of the bullshit way you did it.

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First of all, fuck you. I didn't do it yet, and I asked a polite silly question. I didn't realize I was going to piss your gay ass off asking. I'm fucking pissed I dropped 180 on a board that isn't fully functional. Eat a dick, faggot.

EDIT: Taitai, thank you for finally answering my whimsical question.

well I did have a similar post about what happens if you dont solder a cap to a pcb *correctly*. My situation was fixing a monitor pcb, I soldered one side of the terminal, but the metal ring on the pcb got ripped off in the process of taking the old cap off, taking away the solder point for one of the pins. I managed to get solder onto that terminal, but its not sticking to the board the way it should.

Anyway yeah, what would happen if a board ran without one of its caps? My cap was a very small cap in a very hard to reach location, which makes me wonder if in my situation it would even be worth breaking my ass taking the monitor out again.

Spike Spiegel said:

First of all, fuck you. I didn't do it yet, and I asked a polite silly question. I didn't realize I was going to piss your gay ass off asking. I'm fucking pissed I dropped 180 on a board that isn't fully functional. Eat a dick, faggot.

EDIT: Taitai, thank you for finally answering my whimsical question.

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i answered your question in post 2! solder it dont be lazy. it will help save you money in the long run.

Is calling me a fagot making you fell better about your error in life?

to even think that twisting the caps on the bad caps parts would be aceptable for your 180 dollar investment is the most insanely ignorant things I've seen posted here.

Well, I opened this up... I thought the caps would be there with a lot of slack between them and the board. Nope. They're practically humping each other. This is way beyond me... so I will have little choice but to have someone replace these for me. Damn.

And for the record, you were going to "beat me up" over this? lol

just a friendly beating nothing more. you spent enough money and i wanted to beat some sense into you thats all.

its all good it was in the spirit of friends. trying to help in my weird way

werejag said:

just a friendly beating nothing more. you spent enough money and i wanted to beat some sense into you thats all.

its all good it was in the spirit of friends. trying to help in my weird way

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I understand. I thought for sure there'd be tons of play that I could do that with.... I just won't touch it and either return it or have someone do it for me. Sigh.. sucks.

was the board sold as working?

werejag said:

was the board sold as working?

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Yeah, I even asked "is everything good".... so, perhaps he just didn't know. The guy's a big time seller, and I've bought stuff from him before. Just a simple mistake, I think. Hope he can help me is all...

If he won't help you on it and you want it fixed I'm up for trades on old boards I can use for parts.

Spike, with due respect man. If you need to ask such a question you should not be dealing with electronics, put the screw drivers away. Do yourself a favour and send it to channelmaniac, Im sure his rates are reasonable.

I second that.. Send it off to Channelmaniac! I got your PM. Wish i could help but i cant find the pics i took of the fix long ago which showed what caps i replaced. If i had that then i'd fix your for ya. Though even if i did have the pics i still dont have any way to test the board. It was a fun and rewarding to fix it though.

So i say send it off to the man.. best anyways just encase theres other things wrong with the sound like the level control or the sound chip as well. If you get static sound when you adjust the volume then the volume control with have to be replaced as well.

Plus the caps are not the best at radio shack as in the size.. The bigger ones are too tall and you would have to lay them on there side. He'll have the the right caps for the job no doubt.

Posted to any automotive forum:

I've noticed if I only use one lug nut on my wheels, and I drive slowly and carefully, the wheels don't come of my car. I mean, I know I can't trust them not to fall off at any given time, but the car seems to roll fine. I'm not in the habit of throwing my car around in turns hard or anything. Can someone honestly tell me why I need all five of these things? I'm lazy.


This is not satire to lambaste you or tease you, it's something that I've posted to hopefully help you understand the reaction that you've gotten.

Since you likely know a bit more about cars than electronics, what would your reaction be? Do you think you'd really take the time to explain to someone, calmly, why this is a bad idea, or would you just say 'there's five lugs for a reason, but the damn nuts on and quit trying to find a way to cut corners'!

If you wanted to answer the question honestly, would you be able to? Since you have no personal experience with the durability of the wheel/rotors mating together when 80% of the lug nuts are missing, it would be hard to answer very percisely, wouldn't it?

The reason none of us can tell you exactly what happens when you wrap the leads around is because no one here has done it. It's wrong. Conceptually, I can tell you that there will be weak contact, could be intermittent contact, could break loose and cause a short elsewhere. But no one knows for sure. Sega didn't do it, I'm following their lead. (Ha!)

Can you tell me what happens, from experience, when you leave your pants unbuttoned and just try to use your hips to keep your pants up all day? How about, cooking raw chicken just holding it over a flame in your hand, is it efficient? Finally, what about tiling a floor without grout, just lay the tiles out? Shouldn't the tension of the floor tiles touching keep everything more or less in place?

See, no one is going to get a serious answer to those questions -- the methodology is *that* wrong. You wouldn't take the time to answer them. What you should be take these answers above to mean is not that everyone is out to get you and won't answer your questions -- it's that the described method is so wrong that it merits no discussion, period. Don't be so selfish and think that everything everyone says is designed to make you feel a certain way or abuse your good nature. They're giving the most valid answer possible given the ludicrous inquiry.

Zen and the art of board repair

Edit: to answer the question it is not only BAD, but unconceivable.
In an emergency without a soldering iron it might work like CPR untill a doctor arrives on the sceene.

Better yet, just sell it on ebay as "working but no refunds"

Spike Spiegel said:

I have a question:

How BAD is it to NOT solder on caps if you have the ability? I replaced caps in my Dreamcast for my contoller ports, and I just twisted them onto the pre exsting pegs from the old cap, and it works just fine. Outside of holding on snuggly, what am I losing from not soldering and just making a very very tight coil that wrapps around the old peg on a mother board?

This may be absurd to some of you here, but I'm looking at doing the least about of damage to my motherboard and have it still work. Thanks,

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Hmm. Are you sure you're not talking about a resistor here? Resistor failure's extremely common on the DC controller ports.

In this case: Twisting a certain resistor (basically jumping it) is okay for the most part. There's one which acts sort of like a fuse, and blows *way* too often. I've used systems with this one particular resistor jumped for years, and I've never had any problems. If you really are talking about a resistor, make sure you're jumping the correct one. If you have a multimeter, check continuity on it first. (larger resistor, usually blue)

Finally, if you're not talking about the resistor I mentioned above, and you really are speaking of anything else: SOLDER IT. As others have mentioned, you really need to solder your components. This isn't what we would call optional. If you don't, whatever you're using probably won't work, *and* it'll most likely toast itself (maybe more). ZOMG TOASTY!