Big Bear Dispute (SETTLED)

SEE MY LAST POST PROBLEM HAS BEEN RESOLVED

Well I have tried for some time now to get a hold of a moderator to settle this thing but have not received any help or even a response in months. Yes, I know this thread will be flamed to death but there isn't much else I can do at this point.

Anyway, here is the situation:

Big Bear and I had a dispute over a NGCD pad he sold me last year. I won't go into the details but you can read over everything in this thread: http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147648&page=3

Anyway, it seems Big Bear is friends with someone who is a moderator or something and he is doing some pretty unethical stuff. He posted 2 negs on my account for the ONE transaction and has had this moderator friend of his delete the neg I left him and had me blocked from the ratings system altogether. I never received any notice or explanation whatsoever. I talked with another moderator way back and he restored my access to the ratings system but when I left my neg for Big Bear (seeing that he had it removed) he sent me this PM:

You just don't get it do you?
I had your last negative feebacks removed and I will do so again. You will NOT be allowed to submit feedback in the future if you keep this up!
I am not going to revisit ancient history. Bottom line is that YOU ARE A LOUSY buyer! If you had not opened the pad up and waited for two weeks before contacting me I would have refunded you that money with no problem.
You have nothing on me. I've been doing business on the internet before you entered 5th grade and I know proper business etiquette.
You don't hold for two weeks or tamper with supposed faulty electronics unless you intend to keep it.
DO NOT ANNOY ME OR BOTHER ME WITH THIS ISSUE AGAIN! GET OVER IT!

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Big Bear should definitely be allowed to leave me a negative as I should be allowed to leave him one. but this business of leaving me 2 negs for the same transaction, deleting the neg I left him, and then having my access blocked is just nuts. This PM wasn't too appropriate either.

All I want is for us to both have one neg each (obviously explaining our viewpoints) and for this account access limiting abuse to stop. I now cannot access the ratings system to leave feedback for other users that have left me positive feedback. It's not fair to them either.

Moreover, I paid Big Bear in full so this dual neg stuff really makes no sense.

I would like to put this ugliness behind but as I said I have emailed and PMed numerous moderators without any reply. I even started a topic asking how I could contact a moderator and all I got was a recommendation to post info about the dispute which is what I am doing now.

-Segasonicfan

the issue about you having 2 negs is questionable - your ability to leave BB a neg is not. leaving feedback is not a priveledge you can dispose of as you wish. you clearly did something you shouldn't have (tinkered with the pad) and so you voided your chance to get a refund - in other words it was upto Big Bear and his criteria if he felt he should give you something, he was was not bound or obliged to doing so.

the feedback system is there to be used responsibly, it is more for the sake of the community than your ego. this thread reflects badly on you, you should just ask for the extra negative to be removed and accept the mods decision not to grant you the ability to leave feedback in this case.

that is my point of view, it's nothing personal. it is very petty though, you should have let it go, not even bothered BB about it back in the day or dealt with it properly. the market place is there for the community not the other way around, it is important to try and reserve respect for one another when making deals.

Pazzo Call Me Crazy Red

I had a bottle of that a few weeks ago and it was quite nice.

A bit heavy on the cherry, but it worked for it.

Nice, I've got some nice cheese that a good red would go well with. Thanks for the recommendation!

Uh oh you've re-opened Pandora's box...

the issue about you having 2 negs is questionable - your ability to leave BB a neg is not. leaving feedback is not a priveledge you can dispose of as you wish. you clearly did something you shouldn't have (tinkered with the pad) and so you voided your chance to get a refund - in other words it was upto Big Bear and his criteria if he felt he should give you something, he was was not bound or obliged to doing so.

the feedback system is there to be used responsibly, it is more for the sake of the community than your ego. this thread reflects badly on you, you should just ask for the extra negative to be removed and accept the mods decision not to grant you the ability to leave feedback in this case.

that is my point of view, it's nothing personal. it is very petty though, you should have let it go, not even bothered BB about it back in the day or dealt with it properly. the market place is there for the community not the other way around, it is important to try and reserve respect for one another when making deals.

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here we go again...I think you missed my main point(s) entirely.

1) Big Bear is obviously friends with a mod who is doing his dirty work. This is why he got my account restricted from the feedback system and got both my negs removed and threatened to restrict my account more.

2) I have no problem with my neg being removed from Big Bear's listing BUT I expect some sort of notification esp. because Big Bear is messing with my account. A simple "your negative has been founded as unethical/improper so it was removed" would be fine. My problem is that there has been absolutely no communication here and that my account is being messed with.

3) Leaving Big Bear a neg is not the issue here. The issue is my account being messed with, having 2 negs for the same transaction, and not being able to leave feedback for other users that deserve it. Also the lack of communication. Big Bear having a neg is the bottom of the list from all of this.

4) I am not wanting to leave Big Bear a neg to be vindictive. He sent me a broken pad that was advertised as fully working and in excellent condition. Refund or not, he sent me a broken item whereas I paid him instantly through Paypal and in the full amount. So it makes very little sense to me that I should be the one getting negged and he should not. But again, a simple explanation or notice of any kind would have sufficed. But obviously something very fishy has been going on instead.

I do realize this transaction does not reflect the best of me and if I could take it all back I would. Hell, I'd gladly send Big Bear $50 if he would stop screwing with my acocunt and negging me even though I paid him. In hindsight I wish I never opened the pad to clean it and I wish I had never asked for a refund. but that's why they say hindsight is 20/20 :/

I am not trying to be vengeful here I am just trying to get this cleared up/explained and solved properly. I think it is very unfair to other users that I can not leave them positive feedback for transactions.

man oh man what I would give to have this place run a proper rating/moderating system like GameTZ :/

-Segasonicfan

A) you shouldn't have opened it up

B) I would have negged you too

C) shut the fuck up

I think it kinda sucks how "Bigtimers" can have their feedback removed. Very shady to conduct something like that imo. Whats the fucking point in having feedback if its not used properly. People need to see the truth and how a member deals with a situation.

Big Bear = Thumbsdown

I wont comment on the transaction everything that had to be said and done has been said and done, i will only explain something to you cause it appears you didnt understood until now, this forum isnt a democracy, get over it.

You obviously don't know the difference between your RIGHTS and a privilege. NEO•GEO.COM is a private BBS and it is your privelege just as it is mine to interact with others around the world that share an enthusiasm for Neo•GEO,2D and drama
Unlike eBAY which I happen to have a perfect rating on,you don't have the RIGHT to defame my character just because you feel like it.

Even after you admitted your wrong doing by opening the pad,holding on to it for two weeks and revealing you had another NGCD pad in your possession at the time I was willing to work something out with you but changed my mind after your statements in Private Mails came off to me as belligerent and condescending. You stomped on my goodwill gesture insisting that I knowingly sold you a faulty pad which just wasn't the case.

Your behavior after the purchase of my NGCD pad and your indiscretion to bring this back up serves to solidify the MOD(s) and myself made the correct decision.
BB

lol

Modding mishaps

Thumbs down for me with a valid explanation which I am failing to see or is it because I vouched for Si?
BB

Sn00t said:

I think it kinda sucks how "Bigtimers" can have their feedback removed. Very shady to conduct something like that imo. Whats the fucking point in having feedback if its not used properly. People need to see the truth and how a member deals with a situation.

Big Bear = Thumbsdown

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you don't have the RIGHT to defame my character just because you feel like it.

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I have done nothing to defame your "character" here. I am only posting facts. You negged me twice and you are screwing with my account so I can't give people the positive feedback they deserve. Why?

Your behavior after the purchase of my NGCD pad and your indiscretion to bring this back up serves to solidify the MOD(s) and myself made the correct decision.

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Read my postings, the only reason I am bringing this up again is because you screwed with my account again and have still not removed the second neg you left for the same transaction. I never modded your pad and this thread solidfies no such thing.

I think you need to keep in mind that you are not only hurting me with your behavior but you are also hurting everyone I am dealing with by screwing my account. If your going to be vengeful at least just punish me, not them.

-Segasonicfan

Did you ever refund the money of those who bought "overclocked" Saturns from you?

Just wondering.

You seem to be looking out for the interest of the customer, so I assume that when I informed you that you were only overclocking the I/O and sound controller you contacted the people who bought these machines and promptly refunded the money for the modification...

Sn00t said:

I think it kinda sucks how "Bigtimers" can have their feedback removed. Very shady to conduct something like that imo. Whats the fucking point in having feedback if its not used properly. People need to see the truth and how a member deals with a situation.

Big Bear = Thumbsdown

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Sn00t is spot on. The feedback system is there for a reason and it works really well ! That is until people/mods see fit to start adding/removing feedack...........

Whats the point in using it if "established" members can do whatever the fuck they want.......

Andy

68k, we've gone over this many, many times. Why are you attacking me anyway? Did I ever do something to offend you? Please refrain from the rude remarks if you can. I do look out for my customers and there are many that would vouch for me. I don't know why you decided to disdain me all of a sudden, all I can figure is that you don't like it that I'm doing overclocking mods too. I have no problem with you selling your mods so please stop posting rude things on every thread I make. There is enough business to go around for everyone.

-Segasonicfan

I didn't realize it was a touchy issue. It was a simple question and I was not asking it to attack you. Don't make this look like I am only making this up to "increase my sales".

You thought you had overclocked the saturn, I showed you that you did not, so I was wondering if you refunded those people their money or if they still think their systems are overclocked.

No attack, no rude remarks, I think it is as straight forward as I can make it quite honestly.

I didn't realize it was a touchy issue. It was a simple question and I was not asking it to attack you. Don't make this look like I am only making this up to "increase my sales".

You thought you had overclocked the saturn, I showed you that you did not, so I was wondering if you refunded those people their money or if they still think their systems are overclocked.

No attack, no rude remarks, I think it is as straight forward as I can make it quite honestly.

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You can't be serious. You just brought up this whole other issue out of nowhere because I asked Big Bear not to punish the people I do trades with. That is very silly.

Like I said, we have gone over this many times in the past and it seems very obvious to me that you are trying to make me look bad or something of the sort. I went over this with you in other threads, my thread, and on the GameSX forums. To bring it into this mess makes no sense other than some way of (as Big Bear put it) defaming my character. It has nothing to do with this dispute and I have explained the issue to you before. I have also notified my customers of the issue and even put a post about it in my modification thread. Not to mention that it isn't even any of your business. Ugh, we went over this so many times please just let it go.

If you are not attacking me that's fine just please try not to derail this thread.

-Segasonicfan

68k said:

I didn't realize it was a touchy issue. It was a simple question and I was not asking it to attack you. Don't make this look like I am only making this up to "increase my sales".

You thought you had overclocked the saturn, I showed you that you did not, so I was wondering if you refunded those people their money or if they still think their systems are overclocked.

No attack, no rude remarks, I think it is as straight forward as I can make it quite honestly.

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Another bit of wisdom from 68gay.

P.S. - Shouldn't you be tinkering with your electronics?

Jedah Doma said:

Another bit of wisdom from 68gay.

P.S. - Shouldn't you be tinkering with your electronics?

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I'm happy to see my shadow is still getting online .

68k said:

I'm happy to see my shadow is still getting online .

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ZING!

segasonicfan said:

You can't be serious. You just brought up this whole other issue out of nowhere because I asked Big Bear not to punish the people I do trades with. That is very silly.

Like I said, we have gone over this many times in the past and it seems very obvious to me that you are trying to make me look bad or something of the sort. I went over this with you in other threads, my thread, and on the GameSX forums. To bring it into this mess makes no sense other than some way of (as Big Bear put it) defaming my character.

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This is all coming from someone who does not sell overclocked consoles, or much of anything. I'm someone who develops overclocking modifications and gives away this information for free, so keep that in mind when you read my viewpoint.

I can see where 68k is coming from. As I'm presently working on a true overclocking modification for the system, I can tell you it's an extremely difficult task on a very intricately designed system. It should've been obvious that there was no performance benefit at all when you overclocked the 68EC000 sound processor in the system, so selling machines with no performance benefit and charging more money for them being modified in such a way that just has the potential to make them unstable in the future, strikes me as very unethical behavior.

Now, I don't care if you refunded everyone's money but you keep dancing around the issue and never say that you did, so I get the impression you never broke the news to your buyers that they got a system that wasn't overclocked usefully at all. An "overclocked" Saturn would have the SH-2 processors and geometry DSP overclocked, but these don't. So they pretty much just got ripped off.

In addition to that, the last time I saw your sales thread you were still offering 'overclocked Saturns' and people were still ordering them. When I called you out on it, you started to whine about me attacking you-- just like you are doing now.

If you don't make it right wth your customers by refunding their money for the mod, and stop claiming the systems you sell are 'overclocked' when they're not, people are going to keep calling you out on it, simple as that.

Epicenter said:

This is all coming from someone who does not sell overclocked consoles, or much of anything. I'm someone who develops overclocking modifications and gives away this information for free, so keep that in mind when you read my viewpoint.

I can see where 68k is coming from. As I'm presently working on a true overclocking modification for the system, I can tell you it's an extremely difficult task on a very intricately designed system. It should've been obvious that there was no performance benefit at all when you overclocked the 68EC000 sound processor in the system, so selling machines with no performance benefit and charging more money for them being modified in such a way that just has the potential to make them unstable in the future, strikes me as very unethical behavior.

Now, I don't care if you refunded everyone's money but you keep dancing around the issue and never say that you did, so I get the impression you never broke the news to your buyers that they got a system that wasn't overclocked usefully at all. An "overclocked" Saturn would have the SH-2 processors and geometry DSP overclocked, but these don't. So they pretty much just got ripped off.

In addition to that, the last time I saw your sales thread you were still offering 'overclocked Saturns' and people were still ordering them. When I called you out on it, you started to whine about me attacking you-- just like you are doing now.

If you don't make it right wth your customers by refunding their money for the mod, and stop claiming the systems you sell are 'overclocked' when they're not, people are going to keep calling you out on it, simple as that.

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All well and good but...... WTF does this have to do with the actual issue at hand ?

1up before this hits the war room LOL