Lead Free Solder - any opinions?

El Capitan

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I'm currently using some solder from a few years back which I presume contains lead.

The Maplins stores here now only stock "lead free solder" and "lead free silver solder"

Anyone have any experiences of this stuff? Good or bad?
 

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Sucks.......

I guess the Lead Free Silver would be better.
 

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Yeah I figured it'd suck.

I think I had some a while back and it wouldn't actually hold two things together.... A bit of an issue when trying to solder things.
 

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I use the lead free stuff from maplin and don't have a problem with it at all. Everyone else seems to though. :rolleyes: :p
 

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Make sure the joint is clean and oxide free. If it's a new board and component hit it with some very fine steel wool to remove the oxide from the pad and component leg. This will make the solder stick better.

Also, check the lead free solder. Not all is made equal. You need the type WITH the rosin flux inside. If you get solder without flux then it won't stick worth crap. Also check the temperature required to melt it. Some are fairly close to lead solder and others are quite a bit higher. Higher heat can damage components.

RJ
 

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Lead free sucks. I find that you need to set your soldering iron to about 850 degrees F to get it truly workable. At work we have hot-air desoldering tools that we set up to 900+ degrees, and lead free solder still won't budge, even after saturating it with flux. The board will have the shit burned out of it though. Of course, I've never checked to see if the solder they use has a rosin flux in it.

I know manufacturers have a hard time with it; getting the flow ovens hot enough to wet the lead free solder, but not so hot you start doing damage. I reccomend avoiding things like RoHS compliant hard drives for a couple years, until the manufacturing indistry has had more experience building those products under the new conditions. I don't completely trust them.
 

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If you use leaded solder make sure you use gloves or just dont touch it for extended periods. I use silver solder which works great for me.
 

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Xian Xi said:
If you use leaded solder make sure you use gloves or just dont touch it for extended periods. I use silver solder which works great for me.

Huh?

It doesn't get absorbed through your skin. Just make sure to wash your hands thoroughly when done.

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channelmaniac said:
Huh?

It doesn't get absorbed through your skin. Just make sure to wash your hands thoroughly when done.

RJ

Yes it does. If you hold it long enoug it will slowly start to absorb into your skin. If it didnt then there wouldnt be leadfree solder.
 

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Xian Xi said:
Yes it does. If you hold it long enoug it will slowly start to absorb into your skin. If it didnt then there wouldnt be leadfree solder.

Lead-free solder (and the whole ROHS directive) isn't meant to protect the people (hobbysts or pros) who work with it (industries already take precautions) but to prevent environmental pollution (mainly water) once the stuff with lead on it (PCBs, etc.) ends up in waste dumps.
 

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MKL said:
Lead-free solder (and the whole ROHS directive) isn't meant to protect the people (hobbysts or pros) who work with it (industries already take precautions) but to prevent environmental pollution (mainly water) once the stuff with lead on it (PCBs, etc.) ends up in waste dumps.

Exactly.
 

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You missed the point. The point was that it does absorb into the skin.
 

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Xian Xi said:
You missed the point. The point was that it does absorb into the skin.
Point was - I wanted to know about people's opinions on using this stuff...
 

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El Capitan said:
Point was - I wanted to know about people's opinions on using this stuff...

And like I said, silver solder works great for me. Very easy to work with. When I did use leaded I used 60/40 soft core.
 

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Well I just got another reel of 60/40. I just don't trust the non-lead stuff.

I figure I'll stick to breathing in some weird fumes :D
 

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El Capitan said:
Well I just got another reel of 60/40. I just don't trust the non-lead stuff.

I figure I'll stick to breathing in some weird fumes :D

I used it for about 6 years and nothing happened. Good stuff. I just remember my teacher saying if you do use leaded solder do not hold it if your hands are sweaty as the lead will absorb into your skin but if you have dry hands all the time and only touch it when you are actually soldering then you will be fine.
 

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Xian Xi said:
The point was that it does absorb into the skin.

In neglectable quantities compared to what goes into your lungs if you don't use a fume extractor. That's what you should be concerned about.
 

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MKL said:
In neglectable quantities compared to what goes into your lungs if you don't use a fume extractor. That's what you should be concerned about.

we always had a shop fan blowing it away from us so I never worried about it.
 

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Years ago a guy where I work would actually hold the string of solder in his mouth while using his off hand for something else. He did this for years... he did eventually die. And a buddy of mine was a manager at a small electronics manufacuring plant in Mexico; he often had to snap at the repair women who would hold solder in their mouths.

I always wash my hands after touching solder, and never breathe the fumes. The dangers of leaded solder have just been drilled into me, so I'm always cautious like that. I also repair defective medical electronics, the FDA requires we wear antistatic gloves. So I'm alright there.
 

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El Capitan said:
Well I just got another reel of 60/40. I just don't trust the non-lead stuff.

I figure I'll stick to breathing in some weird fumes :D

The thing to keep in mind about solder in general is that the worst problems are always as a result of long term inhalation of the flux smoke/fumes. Yes holding leaded solder in your mouth is certainly not advisable, but lengthy exposure to the flux fumes can cause hyper sensitivity on the respiratory side of things and potentially cancer from the solvents contained in the flux. The most annoying part of all is that as much as the lead-free solder may not contain lead, (well duh :P) as it doesn't natively ‘wet’ (flow and stick) as nicely the manufacturers are forced to add more ‘active’ (concentrated, corrosive) fluxes and more of it to boot. This of course potentially intensifies the risks if respiratory issues.

It is also very fussy on wetting temperature and the only realistic way to use it effectively is to have a good quality iron with fine temp adjustment and very responsive tip temp regulation and compensation. I bought one of the Weller WSD81 stations at the time the ROHS initiative came about as they are designed to work optimally with lead-free solder (though of course they're a dream to use with leaded too) and I can certainly vouch for it's ease of use with the new solders out there.

And as MKL explained the sole issue in phasing out leaded solder is that old discarded electronics tend to end up in land fill and as they oxidise and break down the lead leeches into ground water causing problems for all of us.

But hey, as most of us that dabble with consolizing and super-gun development tend to recycle parts from old projects (well I do at least ;)) or just keep em for posterity, we account for barely a speck of the overall issue. So I say use what ever suits you best, but keep in mind the risks of long term exposure to flux fumes.:shame:
 

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I'm just happy I recently picked up 3 1lb spools for 5 bux each. I'll be set for about another 3 or 4 years. ;)
 

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I don't have problems with lead free solder, but I do find leaded solder easier to work with, especially when desoldering. >_<
 
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