Bad Seller alert...... CHRiZ-77 (#1366)(topic changed)

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This is the second of 2 guys i was gonna disclose as scammers but i put off make Chris public as i believed with him i would get my money

With this scammer topic i am gonna condense the e-mails into the ones pertinent with this case since i was flamed before by printing everything

Next week i will change this topic into a THIEF topic if he still hasnt refunded me

I accept that he has had great deals - but he has been so unhelpful with this one

I first sent him (144 euros) for a Us Top Hunter and a Us 3 count Bout,via Bank transfer on the 15th April 02 so i reckon this is the time to show him up for the scammer that he is - 5 months later still nothing - i think i am patient

Now when i was going to disclose him previously he loaded my paypal account with the amount of 45usd and called it refund 1/2 but since then nothing - he claims he is having problems with his account

I was a little worried at the start because he publically supports Ralf Karels (KyoKugen star) but once i spoke to him he seemed okay

right here we go (all are pm's apart from the first one):

From: "SNK4EVER" chriz@snk4ever.net
To: **********@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Refund part 2/2
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 07:43:37 +0200

Hi James,

i´ve made another bank-transfer, but we could use a faster way for you!
Here are my access-codes for my paypal. Add your Creditcard and change the email and datas to you. Accept the payment and raise the limit. Send yourself $105,00 for the delay. This is the fastest option i can give to you.
*Please don´t make something of my personal datas public, i´ll trust you! ;-) *

Login: **private**

Otherwise please wait 3-6 more days, if you haven´t received the money then!!! PUNiSH ME!!!

Btw, you´ve asked for delivery-sheets, or not??? Have you a fax-number, give it to me, and you´ll get these sheets...

I won´t rip you off, but shit happens sometimes more often than usual.

Regrads
Chris
<hr></blockquote>

read that slowly and realise what he wanted me to do, told him some excuse - i have kept his paypal details private as these are not relevant

the rest are pm's in cronological order:
posted May 28, 2002 07:05 AM
Hi James,
they´re still looking for the package.
If they can´t find the package, you´ll get your money back. Maybe much more, course i´ve insured the package til EUR 400,00!!! I´m sorry for that, let´s wait some more days, til the have an result.
Regrads
Chris
<hr></blockquote>

My name is Jason and he still hasnt got it right

posted June 14, 2002 12:01 PM

Hi James,
looks like we both get our money back soon.
Sorry for this delay...
BTW i´ve another "Top Hunter" in perfect condition, but one fault. The manual is just a b/w copy and NOT original...
Regrads
Chris
For further questions write me an email to chriz@8bit1byte.net or chriz@snk4ever.net
<hr></blockquote>

He has another ebay account id under Mrsakazaki since CHRiZ-77 has been unregistered, when i mail it the e-mail was the same apart from sales@snk4ever but a guy called fred answered and told me he was his friend

I noticed that Mrsakazaki was selling that very Top Hunter


pm #1

posted July 04, 2002 08:15 AM

Hi James,
they´ve told me, they´ll solve the situation between 10 and 24.07.2002!
I´ve insured the package til EUR 400,00. But i need to know the uk prices for JPN Tophunter and JPN 3Count Bout, even EUR/US Tophunter and 3Count Bout in GBP. Do me this favor!
Regrads
Chris
posted August 10, 2002 12:22 PM

PM #2


Hi Jason, i would go for the 2-option. I make the transfer on coming wednesday. I´ll send you a copy of it.
Regrads
Chris
Btw don´t worry, Deutsche Post will refund us only EUR 180 - 280,00.

PM #3

posted August 16, 2002 02:38 PM

Hi James,
i´ve sent EUR 150,00 today. Sorry for the delay.
I can´t send you a copy off the delivery-paper, but you should receive the money til wednes/thursday this week.
Regrads
Chris
btw: we´ll get back, just EUR 180,00 incl. the shipping amount.

PM #4
posted August 22, 2002 02:03 PM

Hi Jason,
this can´t be!!! I´ve to check it once again!!!
DAMN!!!
I´m a honest with you, but maybe i´ve forgotten one of your bank-details. Do me a favor and wait til tomorrow. I won´t rip you off Jason, really not! If the money do not arrive then, i´ll use your paypal-id!!! Gimme me once again your paypal-id please. How long does this take??? I haven´t used paypal before, just bidpay and westernunion and bank-2-bank transfer before...
Regrads
Chris
Phone: +49162-4223517
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PM #5
Hi James,
let me tell you something. I´ve made another bank-2-bank transfer about $100,00! If you don´t believe my word, i´ll send you the pass for my paypal-account, where i´ve set $375,00!
REgrads
Chris
+49162-4223517

PM #6
posted September 05, 2002 03:05 PM

Hi Jason,
i won´t make you mad, but i still haven´t receiced the insurance from "Deutsche Post".
I mean, i´ve made another bank-2-bank transfer to you. You should receive it within this week. If you haven´t get it til Saturday, i´ll go for "WESTERNUNiON" and i´ll cover the fee.
The Rest is set to: $100,00 and i´ll cover the fee $25,00 *damn expensive*
Please don´t understand me wrong, course i´m not a millionaire, also not a scammer like some people in these forums. That´s a fact!
Sure, i´ve promised to give you the money back soon, but i´ve enough trouble with "Deutsche Post" by my own.
If i´ve known that there´s a limit for non-creditcard paypal-user, i´ve waited 3 more hours, and transfered the whole amount in ONE insteat of TWO Parts. THAT WAS MY FAULT!!!
If you don´t believe me, just gimme a fax-number, and i´ll send you all the delivery-sheets i´ve.
Regrads
Chris
Btw: the only reason why i´m not so often on these board, is that i´ve changed my provider and haven´t got the new iNet-Connection yet!!!
Don´t blast me!!!

PM #7
posted September 06, 2002 03:55 PM

Hey Jason,
i´ll send you a fax on monday, containing the following sheets:
1x delivery sheet from 29.04.2002
1x the insurance sheet from sep. 2002
Regrads
Chris

PM #8 - FROM ME
posted September 06, 2002 01:49 PM

Hello Chris,
Still nothing - not 1 cent
I have a fax number for you: mark it FAO Jason Brown
+350 *****
Now you promised me if i didnt receive this bank transfer you would load western union for me
details:
Western Union, Gibraltar - Gibraltar
This MUST be put like this, the western union Gibraltar in Gibraltar, if you dont do this it will end up in Spain - if this happens i will make your name public
once you send the payment in Sterling
I need all your details and the 10 digit pin number Western Union give you - now Chris you promised this, i will check with my western union on Tuesday after you give me the 10 digit pin number tomorrow
If the other bank transfers eventually turn up - i will refund you without question, just i am not rich either and i was promised this money a month ago and i reckon i have been very patient
Thanxs Chris
Will be waiting to hear from you
Jason
nb/ once i receive the payment all information regarding this topic will be deleted
are you doing a deal with a guy called bluevoodoo right now????

PM #9
posted September 06, 2002 03:49 PM

Ok, i´ve printed the page.
On Monday i´ll make westernunion and you´ll get a fax til 16:00 CET! Thx buddy, i know you´re getting angry, but i really won´t rip you or anybody off!
Regrads
Chris
Thx for your patience buddy!

PM #10
posted September 09, 2002 04:35 AM

Hi Jason,
check your mails later!
Here is something for you:
##############################################
Amount: 102,00 EUR
RECEiVER:
Lastname: Brown
Firstname: Jason
Country: Great Britain
SENDER:
Lastname: Moore
Firstname: Chris
Street, Number: Heussweg 76
Postal Code: 20255
City, town: Hamburg
Country: Europe/Germany
Phone home: +49162[Area Code] 4223517[Number]
##############################################
I let you know the password and money transfer number later!
Regrads
Chris


So far we have the following

1/ He still cannot get my name correct
2/ He has sent 2 Telegraphic Transfers and both have got lost
3/ he still owes we 100usd

Come on Chris be a man and do the right thing - i know of at least 1 otehr deal that isnt going smoothly but thats up to the other member to disclose those details

I have been patient with this guy (5 freaking months and still no games) and even when made promise after promise to repay me he still hasnt come through with the goods <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" />

There are loads more Pms available and if the mods wanna read them they are in my profile <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[Crying]" />

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Oh, that's Kyokugen Star's good buddy...
NO SURPRISE here @ all... was just a matter of time <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
I wondered why he mysteriously disappeared from the forums..
AND CHRIZZ-77..How is that ripped up insert treating you? <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />
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I am having a problem with him too.

I didn't want to come out right away in fear of not getting the money....

He owes me $670.00 for Gamecube merchandise that he ordered. He kept promising me the money.
He ordered it around June 28th, 02. It took him a little while to get the order around. I let him know that he cannot back out because I would lose a great deal of money. He agreed to pay. Well, excuse after excuse led to no payment. Here we are today, and still no payment. He gave me an excuse that his company was out of money...

I told him, Then start sending payments. He said there would be a payment by the end of the week (last weekend)of $100.00 USD. No payment, and no more responses.... I have not see or heard from him now. Honestly, the games I kept for him have depreciated close to $10-20 per title and I will not be able to get the full value per gamecube sytem... I will lose $15 per system.
In total, I will be losing over $100.00 reselling this crap.........

The whole time I was waiting for the money (excuse after excuse), I saw he was trying to buy other games... which started tipping me off. By then, the games lowered too much in value to do anything about it.

The reason I trusted his business is because a few other board members told me he was decent... and I saw he was a pretty good buyer.

I am not calling him a scammer yet, and I am not calling him a liar/thief........ But this better be resolved soon.

Who can help? :( <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" />

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One more addition to the Anti-Scammers thread.

Gonna update it. <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" /> <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />
 

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Why don't you have the link in your sig... ?

Or how do we get to that.

This is my 3rd "crap" sale here....

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No wonder he freaked out in such a big way at the slightest whisper that he may have been part of Kyokugen's scam by bidding up the cart. He wanted to have a clean rep so he could make off with his bundle, too. <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />
 

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Originally posted by Bluevoodu:
<strong>Why don't you have the link in your sig... ?

Or how do we get to that.

This is my 3rd "crap" sale here....

†B†V†</strong><hr></blockquote>

<a href="http://www.neo-geo.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=007867" target="_blank">http://www.neo-geo.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=007867</a>

Here's te link to everybody. :rolleyes:
 

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This is insane! I can't believe the number of good traders gone bad these days.
 

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It figures.......

Ever since I got scammed the first time here by Lampjack (you can add that member to the list),

A lot of other people started getting scammed.... there was a serious increase that I noticed.

........ figures I'd get burned here again.... and yet again.

sorry, but this just puts a huge damper on the whole "neo geo experience," ..... I guess..

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Originally posted by BioMotor_Unitron:
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Big Bear, I know you do not generally check them, but in case you see this, you have a PM relating to this incident.</strong><hr></blockquote>

YES..yes I do ..please PM me with that..

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Man, no wonder.. I pm'd him a long time ago regarding his MOTW. I was seriously interested in buying it, so I shot him a pm. It's still unread to this day, and it can stay like that for all I care. Stupid caps lock typing piece of shit.
 

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I meant to edit my Post and accidentally erased it. Big Bear, I found the item I mentioned in PM. I am sending it to the e-mail listed in your Profile.

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Originally posted by Bluevoodu:
<strong>yeah, what is the deal with the ripped up insert?

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What is the deal with the ripped up insert??
I sold the guy a game with a ripped up insert and did'nt disclose this info to him..I basically scammed him like he's done you folks.. :D
NOT!
Mr.CHRIZZ-77 overpaid for a ripped home cart insert to spite me...
I chuckled about the whole situation...maybe if he were'nt trying to "spite" people he would have been able to honor his deals...
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Originally posted by BioMotor_Unitron:
<strong>I meant to edit my Post and accidentally erased it. Big Bear, I found the item I mentioned in PM. I am sending it to the e-mail listed in your Profile.

EDIT: It has been sent.

[ September 16, 2002: Message edited by: BioMotor_Unitron ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

AWWW.. Yes!! You must be a psychic BIO!! You must have known in the back of your mind!!
THANKYOU!
:D :D
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Ps to Bigbear....... It would be nice if I could get overpaid.

I lost $150.00 on the deal... (I just calculated it) If I do not get paid.... which its not looking good, especially since I posted this.


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Originally posted by BIG BEAR:
<strong>
chrizz.jpg
</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />

BWAHAHAHAHA! You have outdone yourself, Big Bear! :D
 

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lol......... wow.

I know there are some people here from Germany. I noticed in Chriz's birthday post he new some other people at the boards from Germany. Maybe some of you could help us out.

<a href="http://www.neo-geo.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=012538" target="_blank">Happy B-day Chriz-77 ... Post</a>

He knew DFX:
alles gute alter !
und poste mal wieder öfter, die
leude aus G werden hier immer weniger.
<hr></blockquote>

Chriz-77's response:
@dfx
Was soll Ich hier noch sagen!?!
Das meiste ist doch schon gesagt, und viele Leude gehen mir hier a.d. Nerven!

I´LL BE BACK!!!
<hr></blockquote>

**Basically means "What can I say?" ...., and many people here get on my nerves.**
(I think)

and he talked with Rayden:
Yup, alles Gute aus Hildesheim!<hr></blockquote>

Anyone who can help?

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Wow, it's honestly shocking how many regular members have turned scammers :( . He was definitely on my sketchy list after he backed KS, but I didn't think he'd try and do it too. You can't trust anyone around here anymore :( .
 

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I agree GF, and it really sucks. seemed like a cool place when I 1st came... now, I am getting different opinions.

I don't feel like I can trust anyone....
I am sure Buster feels the same way.... he has had quite a few scammers lately...


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Makes <a href="http://www.neo-geo.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=005363" target="_blank">THIS</a> look pretty ironic now, yes?
 
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