Beware of Yaton (Y-Plus Technologies)

segasonicfan · May 14, 2006

I bought 4 games from this guy off ebay and he seemed like a decent seller. So I went to his site http://www.arcademvs.com/mvs.htm and bought Sengoku 3 from him for $50.

The game arrives and it's a friggin boot. So I email him and he tells me it's obvious from his site because it says "100% Working" and that means it's a boot??

Now he won't give me a refund or anything. Lame lame lame... :oh_no:

-Segasonicfan

Piratero · May 14, 2006

Report him to the authorities. It's no different from selling movies or games!

alec · May 14, 2006

Sorry to hear that. The ones that say 100% original are original, the ones that say 100% working are boots. I've never bought from him, but I've assumed that because of the price differences in the two different sections. He should really make it more clear that he's selling boots. It sucks that he won't give you your money back. My friend has bought original carts from him before and said he is a great seller.

Gotenks326 · May 14, 2006

Yeah, the ones that say "100% working" are boots (If only he would just label them as boots...). Most of the people here that deal with Yaton are aware of this and Yaton definetly isn't a scammer. It is just unfortunate that he labels his boots as 100% working (But then again, if some games are labeled as being original and other games aren't, then you can assume that the latter are boots).

300wins · May 14, 2006

Wow, that sucks to hear that he won't give you a refund. He used to give people refunds all the time if they mention that it was a boot. Hopefully you work something out with him regarding this.

Neo Collector · May 14, 2006

Gotenks326 said:
Yeah, the ones that say "100% working" are boots (If only he would just label them as boots...). Most of the people here that deal with Yaton are aware of this and Yaton definetly isn't a scammer. It is just unfortunate that he labels his boots as 100% working (But then again, if some games are labeled as being original and other games aren't, then you can assume that the latter are boots).

Didnt knew that, i bought almost 20 carts from then (im still waiting them to arrive) i hope i didnt buy any boots ..... that thing is shit .... :very_ang:

RocketLawnChair · May 16, 2006

segasonicfan said:
I bought 4 games from this guy off ebay and he seemed like a decent seller. So I went to his site http://www.arcademvs.com/mvs.htm and bought Sengoku 3 from him for $50.

The game arrives and it's a friggin boot. So I email him and he tells me it's obvious from his site because it says "100% Working" and that means it's a boot??

Now he won't give me a refund or anything. Lame lame lame...

-Segasonicfan

Yeah, that's pretty lame. Yaton's cart code's somewhat well known though: 100% original is usually original, 100% working is a boot. Sucks he won't give you a refund, or exchange though.

segasonicfan · May 16, 2006

Yaton's cart code's somewhat well known though: 100% original is usually original, 100% working is a boot.

That's not a "cart code" he's simply decieving buyers. Not to mention selling boots is illegal, isn't it?

What really fries me is I spent $162 on games from this guy and I just want the one boot exchanged or refunded. I'm not asking for the other $112 back... :/

I wish there was somewhere I could report him to...maybe tell SNK? It's one thing to sell pirate multi-carts or homebrews (like my Super Mario for Genesis). It's a whole other ball park to knowingly sell boots to people. I just think that's shady as hell.

-Segasonicfan

Ruell · May 16, 2006

Yaton's not breaking the law by selling boots. Most of his business is off ebay anyway and they don't give a fuck. If you would have used the search engine, you about the 100% working with means a boot. It's by your ignorance that you bought a $50 bootleg, not his.

ki_atsushi · May 16, 2006

segasonicfan said:
That's not a "cart code" he's simply decieving buyers. Not to mention selling boots is illegal, isn't it?

What really fries me is I spent $162 on games from this guy and I just want the one boot exchanged or refunded. I'm not asking for the other $112 back... :/

I wish there was somewhere I could report him to...maybe tell SNK? It's one thing to sell pirate multi-carts or homebrews (like my Super Mario for Genesis). It's a whole other ball park to knowingly sell boots to people. I just think that's shady as hell.

-Segasonicfan

Yaton is not tying to deceive buyers, he is simply trying to avoid getting his auctions removed from eBay. If he put boot in the description, eBay would find it right away and remove it. If you pay attention to the way he words his auctions, you should have been able to tell the difference. I have bought almost half of my MVS collection off of yaton and haven't received a boot yet.

Here's a hint: if it doesn't have an original label, it's likely (but not always) a boot, so buy only the carts with original labels. Simple.

RocketLawnChair · May 16, 2006

ki_atsushi said:
Here's a hint: if it doesn't have an original label, it's likely (but not always) a boot, so buy only the carts with original labels. Simple.

Yeah, that's pretty much the same rule I've always used with Yaton. His carts which are "100% original, but fake label" are always a gamble, but I think many are legit. Haven't purchased anything from Yaton with a printed label though.

ki_atsushi · May 16, 2006

RocketLawnChair said:
Yeah, that's pretty much the same rule I've always used with Yaton. His carts which are "100% original, but fake label" are always a gamble, but I think many are legit. Haven't purchased anything from Yaton with a printed label though.

I gambled with a few of his fake labeled carts and have had success on all of them. You just have to know which games to choose. If he has a rare game with a fake label, it's a boot. If it's common and has a fake label, it's most likely legit.

segasonicfan · May 17, 2006

If he put boot in the description, eBay would find it right away and remove it

Exactly, he shouldn't be selling boots in the first place.

If you pay attention to the way he words his auctions, you should have been able to tell the difference.

As I said in the first post, Sengoku 3 was not bought through an auction.

-Segasonicfan

Comrade Porn King Mikhail · May 17, 2006

Ruell said:
Yaton's not breaking the law by selling boots. Most of his business is off ebay anyway and they don't give a fuck. If you would have used the search engine, you about the 100% working with means a boot. It's by your ignorance that you bought a $50 bootleg, not his.

That is a simply stunning comment. How is one who has never dealt with a seller expected to know the minutae of the above phrases in differentiating between standard and bootleg product? Bootlegs are illegal, period! One expects authentic merchandise at all times just as one expects people to stop for red lights and for one's paycheck to be direct-deposited on time. There is no implied ignorance present when a seller purposefully miswords his product or fails to list a significant flaw. Worse yet is that this seller continues to sell bootlegs and is patronized by a significant number of people to promote his selling tactics. I thought home cart collecting was difficult because of the search involved, but now I find the MVS market even more trying, while only attempting to locate working authentic original merchandise :oh_no:

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Sincerely,

Mikhail

pixeljunkie · May 17, 2006

Yaton is fine.

He offers boots....but he doesn't try to pass them off as legit.

I've bought TONS of carts off him. None were boots

You should've known better. Sengoku 3 costs more than $50 these days

Neo Collector · May 17, 2006

Kiselgof said:
That is a simply stunning comment. How is one who has never dealt with a seller expected to know the minutae of the above phrases in differentiating between standard and bootleg product? Bootlegs are illegal, period! One expects authentic merchandise at all times just as one expects people to stop for red lights and for one's paycheck to be direct-deposited on time. There is no implied ignorance present when a seller purposefully miswords his product or fails to list a significant flaw. Worse yet is that this seller continues to sell bootlegs and is patronized by a significant number of people to promote his selling tactics. I thought home cart collecting was difficult because of the search involved, but now I find the MVS market even more trying, while only attempting to locate working authentic original merchandise .

Sincerely,

Mikhail

Enough said .....

Piratero · May 17, 2006

Kiselgof said:
That is a simply stunning comment. How is one who has never dealt with a seller expected to know the minutae of the above phrases in differentiating between standard and bootleg product? Bootlegs are illegal, period! One expects authentic merchandise at all times just as one expects people to stop for red lights and for one's paycheck to be direct-deposited on time. There is no implied ignorance present when a seller purposefully miswords his product or fails to list a significant flaw. Worse yet is that this seller continues to sell bootlegs and is patronized by a significant number of people to promote his selling tactics. I thought home cart collecting was difficult because of the search involved, but now I find the MVS market even more trying, while only attempting to locate working authentic original merchandise .

Sincerely,

Mikhail

I agree with you 100% :shame:

complexs6 · May 17, 2006

Hey guys, well I have dealt with him more than 10 times since Feb and I had never one problem "Except he didnt package some of my first orders he just mailed the cart in without no bubble wrap or anything just the cart wrapped in cardboard" but after emailing him he now sends them with a layer of bubble wrap, lol. I have nothin but good things to say about yaton, I will admit 100% working doesnt mean boot and he should state that. How the hell are you suppose to assume 100% Working means boot the only way to be iffy is because of the prices.

I have stop buying anything that isnt original. I buy only Real label, yellow arrow and warning sticker carts.

Ultimate 11 for $30 bucks if that dont say boot I dont know what does.

Ruell · May 17, 2006

I was always led to believe that it was public knowledge that Yaton did sell boots. I've yet to see Yaton actually sell boots off ebay anyway. Yes ebay says they restrict the sale of bootleg material on their site, but they could really care less just as long as they got their commission. Ie: Samurai Shodown 5 english, SVC plus, Metal Slug emulators discs, and a whole lot of shady neo geo stuff. There's alot of crap about how something is a boot or not and the only real way to tell if one is is just by looking at the boards. Sorry segasonicfan that you got a boot, but that is just how it is. Hopefully you can get your hands on a real Sengoku3 cart in the future.

CarlosZ · May 20, 2006

Yea i hope he helps you out. He is pretty honest, i asked him whether any of his carts were bootlegs and he told me that any "working" were (on arcademvs.com)

So i guess he's cool in my book. I bought a metal slug 1 from him and it was fine.

MJ1984 · May 20, 2006

Ruell said:
If you would have used the search engine, you about the 100% working with means a boot. It's by your ignorance that you bought a $50 bootleg, not his.

What a stupid thing to say. He bought a cart from a well-known seller with an abundance of positive feedback who stated only that it was 100% working, and he found out when it arrived that it was a boot. How is that ignorant? Is he supposed to do a search on Neo-Geo.com every time he buys a Neo-Geo related game on the internet? Ridiculous. Even if he did do a search on here the only thing he would find about Yaton is that everyone has positive dealings with him and the only bad thing he does is sometimes puts fake labels on his games.

Ruell said:
Yaton's not breaking the law by selling boots.

Yes he is. It is illegal, period.

SegaSonicFan, if you used a credit card to pay for the items, all you have to do is call them up and tell them that you received an illegal bootleg item. They will refund your money.

Ruell · May 20, 2006

MJ1984 said:
What a stupid thing to say. He bought a cart from a well-known seller with an abundance of positive feedback who stated only that it was 100% working, and he found out when it arrived that it was a boot. How is that ignorant? Is he supposed to do a search on Neo-Geo.com every time he buys a Neo-Geo related game on the internet? Ridiculous. Even if he did do a search on here the only thing he would find about Yaton is that everyone has positive dealings with him and the only bad thing he does is sometimes puts fake labels on his games.

Yes he is. It is illegal, period.

SegaSonicFan, if you used a credit card to pay for the items, all you have to do is call them up and tell them that you received an illegal bootleg item. They will refund your money.

Ruell said:
I was always led to believe that it was public knowledge that Yaton did sell boots. I've yet to see Yaton actually sell boots off ebay anyway. Yes ebay says they restrict the sale of bootleg material on their site, but they could really care less just as long as they got their commission. Ie: Samurai Shodown 5 english, SVC plus, Metal Slug emulators discs, and a whole lot of shady neo geo stuff. There's alot of crap about how something is a boot or not and the only real way to tell if one is is just by looking at the boards. Sorry segasonicfan that you got a boot, but that is just how it is. Hopefully you can get your hands on a real Sengoku3 cart in the future.

If you would read down instead of just reading my first post you would know that I tried to clarify myself. Yes, bootlegs are illegal though Ebay doesn't give a crap or enforces it unless someone objects. However SegaSonicFan didn't buy off of ebay, he bought off Yaton's site. I'm not saying it's his fault for buying a boot. I just believed it was common knowledge. I have nothing else to say about the issue.

ironish · May 21, 2006

MJ1984 said:
What a stupid thing to say. He bought a cart from a well-known seller with an abundance of positive feedback who stated only that it was 100% working, and he found out when it arrived that it was a boot. How is that ignorant? Is he supposed to do a search on Neo-Geo.com every time he buys a Neo-Geo related game on the internet? Ridiculous. Even if he did do a search on here the only thing he would find about Yaton is that everyone has positive dealings with him and the only bad thing he does is sometimes puts fake labels on his games.

Yes he is. It is illegal, period.

SegaSonicFan, if you used a credit card to pay for the items, all you have to do is call them up and tell them that you received an illegal bootleg item. They will refund your money.

I totally agree. When you purchase off of eBay you should expect that you will not receive a bootleg or illegal item. It is completely against eBay policy. You should not have to do ANY searches to find out whether or not a item is legit or not. eBay cannot police all of their auctions but if you bring it up to them they most likely will take action. If you do a chargeback through PayPal you will get your money back.

Sellers should be more responsible and I have no patience for them ESPECIALLY when you confront them about what they are doing and they KNOW they are doing the wrong thing.

segasonicfan · May 21, 2006

thanks so much for calling me and giving me tips Ironish...I'll be sending him an 'objective' email...

-Segasonicfan

ironish · May 21, 2006

No problem! Glad to help.

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