Help with turbo duo back up's!

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I recently purchased a double dragon 2 for my core grafx cd, the game was very expensive. I just wanted to know if someone could direct me to a website that shows how to backup these games, I'm not trying to pirate games, I really just want to keep my original in the case and use a backup as my main copy. Anyone who could help, please
 
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Use nero or any other burning program and make a disc to disc copy, or CD copy, no need to rip it or convert it.
 
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sonofx51 said:
Use nero or any other burning program and make a disc to disc copy, or CD copy, no need to rip it or convert it.
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I tryed it with my sonic: record now and it wouldn't work, I downloaded Nero but I still need a serial # to get it to work. I don't get why it won't work in Sonic, it gets all the way done and then it says error, unable to read disc make sure the disc is clean. the disc is mint, not a single scratch.
 
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try alcohol 120%, there should be a trial version of it, make a bin and cue image with it and then burn it.
 
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CruelSummer80's said:
Do you guys really think that cdr's kill the lasers in duo's? I've been reading abouit it lately.
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Yes. Especially poorly burned CDRs or more specifically CDRs burned faster than 2x. You likely won't even get a CDR higher than 4x to play.

And I have found that CDRWin is best.
 
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Yes. Especially poorly burned CDRs or more specifically CDRs burned faster than 2x. You likely won't even get a CDR higher than 4x to play.

And I have found that CDRWin is best.
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heed this man's words

I never play backups

Just be careful with your games
 
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You're better offer, as far as the system is concerned, by staying away from burned copies. Just get the really deal....most are very affordable. If you must burn copies, burn them at 1X. In theory a 1x burn will be easier for the system to read.
 
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Huh, I didn't know that. I was going to burn my Spriggan to make a backup. I'm worried about CD erosion since those games are really getting old. Good info. :)
 
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ironish said:
I'm worried about CD erosion since those games are really getting old. Good info. :)
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thats a good point actually. I've been thinking about making backups of everything for that purpose. Not playing them until the apocalypse, when no PCE CD's work.
 
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Yea, I was thinking abou that as well, Aren't cd's soppose to demagnate after like 40 years or something? there has to be a way to preserve these games, and be able to play them without ruining the laser.
 
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There's nothing magnetic about a CD, AFAIK. Old and badly pressed ones do sometimes have problems with corrosion of the foil, though, similarly to old Laserdiscs.
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To make matters worse, many early LDs were not manufactured properly; sometimes a substandard adhesive was used to sandwich together the two sides of the disc, causing it to delaminate slightly. This would allow air in, which would cause the metallic part of the discs to oxidize. This eventually destroyed the disc as the oxidized aluminum lost its reflective property, a process known as "laser rot" among LD enthusiasts. (Early CDs suffered similar problems, including a notorious batch of defective discs manufactured by Philips-DuPont Optical in Europe during the early 1990s.)
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That's from the Wikipedia entry on Laserdiscs.
 
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Neo Ash said:
If you must burn copies, burn them at 1X. In theory a 1x burn will be easier for the system to read.
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Any technical references on this?
 
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Word. 1X is the best. I also recommend you use Sony brand CD-Rs. Older machines like the Duo & Sega CD are picky about the media thier games come on... they hate Memorex & JVC. I never went wrong with Sony CD-Rs.

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If you must burn copies, burn them at 1X. In theory a 1x burn will be easier for the system to read.
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CruelSummer80's said:
I recently purchased a double dragon 2 for my core grafx cd, the game was very expensive. I just wanted to know if someone could direct me to a website that shows how to backup these games, I'm not trying to pirate games, I really just want to keep my original in the case and use a backup as my main copy. Anyone who could help, please
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Sure you do... :p

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Azathoth said:
Any technical references on this?
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Technical references.. Well, the slower you burn the deeper the track gets and it's easier to read. I remember when 4x burners came out, but you still had to burn Playstation games in 1x or 2x because if you burnt them in 4x they skipped and were unplayable for just this reason. This was on a plextor scsi burner so we are not talking $50 crap here.

When it comes to PC-Engine I have heard from reliable sources that the only way to get them to work is high quality CD-Rs and 1x burns so this is most likely true.
 
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Kunio said:
Well, the slower you burn the deeper the track gets and it's easier to read.
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Not to sound like an ass, but can you provide a link to this? I've never heard of it burning "deeper" on a slow burn. People always recommend burning at the slowest speed possible, but can never offer a tangible reason as to why. Granted, if a burn is going to fuck up it is more likely to do it at 32x as 1x, but I can see no other reason than that.

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I remember when 4x burners came out, but you still had to burn Playstation games in 1x or 2x because if you burnt them in 4x they skipped and were unplayable for just this reason.
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Most PS machines (especially early models) were picky about the dye on the disk, not the burn speed. I've never had a disk that didn't work on any machine because it was burnt too fast. My 2 Sega CDs work just as good on 1x Verbatims from 1996 as they do on 52x Sonys from '06.

Crappy media, faulty hard drives, shitty burners = source of most problems.
 
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Azathoth said:
Not to sound like an ass, but can you provide a link to this? I've never heard of it burning "deeper" on a slow burn. People always recommend burning at the slowest speed possible, but can never offer a tangible reason as to why. Granted, if a burn is going to fuck up it is more likely to do it at 32x as 1x, but I can see no other reason than that.
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I wondered about this and concluded that it does indeed burn "deeper" : think about it, the laser is probably just as hot at 1x as 32x, but it lingers on each pit about 32x longer. The difference between the 1s and 0s is going to be more discernable. Note that I suspect it may not be as strong at the lower speeds/the exposure won't be as long. Note that this not a link to an authoritative source, just some reasoning. I'd be surprised if an engineer couldn't rig a CD drive to tell him what speed identical CD-Rs were burned at. Different media'd be harder.

You can't be sure about CD media based on the brand, the discs are made all over the place. It's generally agreed that Taiyo Yuden makes the best discs, but they're sold under all different names, and what you get in a certain package varies from month to month. CDRFreaks is a good place to go for this stuff.
 
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