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dannywhac
04-27-2006, 01:49 PM
Hi,
I saw a copy of Prehistoric Isle 2 up for grabs at a decent price, and thought I'd take a risk on it. Well, I opened it up, and predictably saw eproms on the Prog board. Socketed eproms at that......However, looking at the Cha board, it's got its original Toshiba roms - NGH#255 (C1 through C6 + M1) and its CMC chip all soldered fine on a genuine SNK board dated 1999. The Prog board soldering also looks great, but it's a SNK 1994 board.
After a closer inspection, a couple of jumpers on the Cha board have been resoldered, and leg 120 on the CMC chip has been lifted, as well as a blob of solder replacing a jumper on the Prog board. Anyhow, just wondered if this is a boot, or a repair? Cheers for your help, and here's the piccies (sorry if they're bad...and for not covering the eprom windows....)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/dannywhac/CHA.jpg
The CHA Board
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/dannywhac/PROG.jpg
The PROG Board

billd420
04-27-2006, 03:11 PM
I would venture to guess that your PI2 is a repair of sorts. Generally boots don't have security lockout chips on them, but who knows. Those bootleggers are pretty crafty these days...

-B

chris1
04-27-2006, 03:19 PM
With all those Eproms I'd say it's a boot....

if I had bought it I automatically would of figured boot when opening..

But nothing surprises me these days it may be some sort of repair..

....................
Curious..
How does it work..?

Did it come with an original label?

Jontra
04-27-2006, 03:31 PM
That's 100% a bootleg. Mine english PI2 cart looks different.

ttooddddyy
04-27-2006, 03:41 PM
That's 100% a bootleg. Mine english PI2 cart looks different.

Jontra, maybe yours is a boot :)

Mutation
04-27-2006, 03:50 PM
Your Prehistoric Isle 2 looks like a boot. It's hard to tall as we can't see the stamps on the chips on the Chafio.

A legit Prehistoric Isle 2 looks like this :

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5325/preisle2a1si.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6466/preisle2b3fz.jpg

dannywhac
04-27-2006, 04:23 PM
Hi,
Cheers for the replies - both my boards are identical to Mutations (even down to the serials including the dark brown contacts on the CHA board), with the exception of the eproms....the chips on the CHA board are identical to mutations n' all - all official Toshiba roms. Would seem a little odd that a bootlegger would go to the trouble of using a genuine CHA board in a boot?

ttooddddyy
04-28-2006, 03:32 AM
both my boards are identical to Mutations (even down to the serials including the dark brown contacts on the CHA board)

Not quite, yours has rom location V3. It looks more of a conversion than a bootleg.

dannywhac
04-28-2006, 11:06 AM
Cheers again for the responses - so I can assume it's some form of conversion (from my understanding though, the presence of the correctly labeled roms on the CHA board would suggest a repair?) or repair rather than a boot, and I don't have to contact the bloke I bought from.....Just thought I'd better check as its the first PI2 I've owned, and all the other boots I've encountered have been slightly more obvious...
As the old boot recognition site is down at the mo' and I've got a couple of gig free webspace I might slap up a boot/original/repair ID site in the near future (was going to about a year ago, but you know how it is....)

Superfamifreak
04-28-2006, 01:34 PM
I'd guess it's a repair job. Why would they bother making a boot with a legit board? Plus we all know SNK were a bit crap with their boards. How many legit variations of different carts have we seen?

ResO
04-28-2006, 08:37 PM
I agree that it must be a conversion. I don't see any other reason for it to have the correctly numbered Toshiba roms.

ttooddddyy
04-29-2006, 07:28 AM
The person you bought it from probably did not realise the authenticity issue.

You should still have grounds for return/refund unless you purchased "as is"

Having said that, you did not buy a bootleg cart.

If the game runs OK, live with it, imho



Cheers again for the responses - so I can assume it's some form of conversion (from my understanding though, the presence of the correctly labeled roms on the CHA board would suggest a repair?) or repair rather than a boot, and I don't have to contact the bloke I bought from.....Just thought I'd better check as its the first PI2 I've owned, and all the other boots I've encountered have been slightly more obvious...
As the old boot recognition site is down at the mo' and I've got a couple of gig free webspace I might slap up a boot/original/repair ID site in the near future (was going to about a year ago, but you know how it is....)

Neo Alec
04-29-2006, 05:40 PM
From the pics, it looks like a bootleg. Mine looks exactly like the one Mutation posted, including all the lettering on the boards. At this point, for me it comes down to the number on those Toshiba chips. Since it has number 255, I'd say you're probably okay, but if it were a different number, it would definitely be a boot.

CarlosZ
05-02-2006, 09:34 PM
hey guys, im still trying to figure out what's a bootleg and what's not. What about those carts that have the "SNK...removal of this sticker will void the warranty XXXXX (numbers)" If a cart has those, does that mean its legit? I have a board that has Brazil chips on it, that make any difference? I'll try to post pics soon.

CarlosZ
05-02-2006, 09:48 PM
ok nvm i just tested the cart and there isn't sound at all.

complexs6
05-02-2006, 10:02 PM
Sorry Carlos that usually means a boot. sry. I recommend playing the game and leaving it one for a while, if you have no sound like in ur case its a boot. But you should always check inside look at the site below

Here is a good site. (http://www.loopyeddie.com/bootleg.html)

CarlosZ
05-03-2006, 12:04 AM
Well the cart now has sound, it works fine now, is there any way of telling whether its a bootleg with the gameplay?

Anyone have the original boards to Nam 1975, Fatal Fury, and Sengoku?? So i can compare and tell if its legit cuz my MOM took MY camera :oh_no:

Neo Alec
05-03-2006, 11:45 AM
hey guys, im still trying to figure out what's a bootleg and what's not. What about those carts that have the "SNK...removal of this sticker will void the warranty XXXXX (numbers)" If a cart has those, does that mean its legit?
If that sticker is intact and has a serial number, it's almost definitely real.

CarlosZ
05-04-2006, 07:00 PM
Here are the Nam boards, and another game that im just wondering about:

Nam 1975:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g79/CarlosZZ/Nam.jpg



Other game:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g79/CarlosZZ/Nam2.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g79/CarlosZZ/Aero.jpg


You see the Nam has brazil chips and other ones as well. The other game has that weird blue thing connected on a rom chip (its a japanese game) , just wondering. Thanks for looking guys!

CarlosZ
05-05-2006, 01:32 AM
put the picutres up!

ki_atsushi
05-05-2006, 02:05 AM
Carlos, those games are legit. Nam is a very early MVS game, which is why the board looks different than most other carts. As for the second game, having soldered caps and such is normal for some games.

CarlosZ
05-05-2006, 11:38 AM
awesome thanks! Will probably frequent this thread and post more pics of more boards later. :chimp:

Neo Alec
05-05-2006, 11:50 AM
My Samurai 5 has all kinds of weird wires hanging off of it on the inside. They look like they could easily snap off. That doesn't mean it's not legit. I think in most cases as long as the correct number is on the chips and it looks okay, then it's probably legit.

CarlosZ
05-05-2006, 11:56 AM
Man... I feel like there's waaaayy too much info on how to describe a bootleg.

Find a certain chip then your ok... your still not safe

the board should say this then its ok...even still your not safe

the soldering should look legit...your still not ok

The label should be...STILL not safe

serial number...matching blah blah

DAMIT lol I want to learn how to pick them out but its too damn confusing. :crying:

Asure
05-05-2006, 01:46 PM
About the PI2, i think it's some kind of conversion, why all the eproms ?

At first i thought, the game uses encryption, that's why the one board is original. However i can't see the writing on the original board. It could be a repair, as suggested before. Then it would have been a home-repair of some sort. Perhaps one person bought it, but it had graphics problems.. so he/she re-burned the roms in the board, and put them in, instead of the originals.

About bootlegs, you should visit the gallery and get a better impression :)

It's not updated for a long time. I've been busy with my new home and was lurking around here during that period.

http://www.jamma.nl/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=768

CarlosZ
05-05-2006, 02:47 PM
there we go, THAT's some useful practice =)

RocketLawnChair
05-05-2006, 03:33 PM
Hmm, that's a strange one. Judging from the pics, I'd at least say PI2's probably not a bootleg. Pics are a little blurry, but the ROMs in the first pic look like the correct Toshiba ones. Maybe all the EPROMs are a repair / conversion / revision or something.

CarlosZ
05-05-2006, 03:52 PM
never mind

Neo Alec
05-05-2006, 11:33 PM
Man... I feel like there's waaaayy too much info on how to describe a bootleg.

Find a certain chip then your ok... your still not safe

the board should say this then its ok...even still your not safe

the soldering should look legit...your still not ok

The label should be...STILL not safe

serial number...matching blah blah

DAMIT lol I want to learn how to pick them out but its too damn confusing. :crying:
Like I said, the main thing to look for is the the NGH numbers on the chips (found on the master list on this site). Looking at the boards is almost useless -- most of them say 1994 SNK, whether bootleg or not. Sometimes the chips they used are obvious, sometimes it's less. I have most of the MVS carts, and I haven't come across one yet where I can't tell definitively if it's bootleg or not, because almost all you can tell are real at quick glance, based on the NGH number and kinds of chips used. KOF 2001 had me worried for a while, with it's socketed EPROMs, but then I searched here and found out that was normal for most of the first-run carts. If you have an exception, this message board is a good repository of information.

I think you're just letting all the fine details scare you without enough hands on practice.

CarlosZ
05-10-2006, 03:14 PM
mother fu...i just bought a $200 mvs lot and 2 of the games were bootleg...one with MX chips another with ALL OF THEM eprom (with the little windows) and im wondering about the rest... Ill post up the name of the ebay'er so no one will get ripped off like i did.

Did metal slug 4 come with MEGALO chips??? And another question were all of the flyers double sided for kits? What about those stickers? Do all kits come with stickers??

Neo Alec
05-10-2006, 05:21 PM
I'm very careful about what I bid on on ebay. I always inspect the photos carefully, check the seller's reputation, and ask questions.

JimmyGeo
05-11-2006, 07:00 AM
mother fu...i just bought a $200 mvs lot and 2 of the games were bootleg...one with MX chips another with ALL OF THEM eprom (with the little windows) and im wondering about the rest... Ill post up the name of the ebay'er so no one will get ripped off like i did.

Did metal slug 4 come with MEGALO chips??? And another question were all of the flyers double sided for kits? What about those stickers? Do all kits come with stickers??

By chance was this auction for 3 copies of MS4 and 1 MS2?

CarlosZ
05-11-2006, 01:03 PM
:crying: yea im gonna go cry lol

JimmyGeo
05-15-2006, 06:51 AM
I was a bidder on that listing. I contacted the seller during the auction and he confirmed that all of the carts were originals. I would send a complaint through ebay if the seller doesn't give you a refund.

zhulien
05-15-2006, 09:50 AM
I just went checking through all my MVS carts and I have one definate bootleg (waku waku 7 which I don't really like). There are about 10 with eproms, but from what I gather, just the fact it has an eprom within, doesn't definately mean it's a bootleg right? eg: my Fatal Fury 2 looks pretty legit with serials and all yet it has an eprom in it. I don't have any of the funny looking flash chips like shown in the gallery.

One I have Super Sidekicks 2 I suspect is a bootleg, but it has an SNK square chip on it, does that mean anything? The two ROMS though are like no-name ROMS and there are two eproms accompanying it.

caren103
11-26-2007, 06:40 AM
One I have Super Sidekicks 2 I suspect is a bootleg, but it has an SNK square chip on it, does that mean anything? The two ROMS though are like no-name ROMS and there are two eproms accompanying it.

My Supersidekicks 2 game has too these eproms.

I've inspected it as case is transparent but all seems legit.

Post pics, but I would said yours is the same case.