Mahjong Story for NGCD Question

Xian Xi · Dec 23, 2005

I was playing it yesterday and had a question. Since it is in Japanese I cant read it but I am a seasoned mahjong player and figured out how to "su" and "pong" but how do you "wa ina" which is when you only need 1 tile and you get it from the other player or you pull it yourself.

Please help me, I could have won many matches but couldnt figure it out and I tried all the options it lists and pressed "a" on all of them and the only thing that worked was the discard option.

Thanks a bunch.

E=MC2 · Dec 24, 2005

ive got final romance for my cdz but dont understand the game at all. next time when a chinese friend comes over ima ask him to teach me the game, maybe its fun as hell dont know. btw when japanese use kanji and they write something down and they want to use the best looking kanji signs, they use chinese and thats chinese. even koreans and some other asian countries do this, didnt know till some chinese friends of mine told me and started desiphering all this jap neo stuff for me (like geeses Ppower in RB2, in the bg you see 3 chinese words). most of the kanji you see in games and neo and all that shit is in fact chinese (gouki's back sign). i know its not really a help for you but if youve got chinese friends ask them, theyll know.

SouthtownKid · Dec 24, 2005

MUSOLINI said:
ive got final romance for my cdz but dont understand the game at all. next time when a chinese friend comes over ima ask him to teach me the game, maybe its fun as hell dont know. btw when japanese use kanji and they write something down and they want to use the best looking kanji signs, they use chinese and thats chinese. even koreans and some other asian countries do this, didnt know till some chinese friends of mine told me and started desiphering all this jap neo stuff for me (like geeses Ppower in RB2, in the bg you see 3 chinese words). most of the kanji you see in games and neo and all that shit is in fact chinese (gouki's back sign). i know its not really a help for you but if youve got chinese friends ask them, theyll know.

No, the kanji are Japanese. Some are written slightly differently, and pretty much all of them have different pronunciations, but usually the same meaning. Just because they use the same characters doesn't mean they aren't japanese. You and I are typing in the same alphabet here as someone from France, but that doesn't mean we're using french letters.

@Xian Xi: the "wa ina" you're talking about is called "ron" in Japanese, and written in katakana if you can read that. Japanese and Chinese mahjong rules are slightly different, so maybe that's part of the problem? You can only 'ron' in certain circumstances; I don't know Chinese rules, so I don't know if that's the same.

E=MC2 · Dec 24, 2005

ah but the letters they are using a lot of the times are chinese. in fact japanese are chinese. long ago they went from the mainland of china to search for new land for the emperor of that time, but after they discoverd japan they stayed and made it the the japan we see nowadays. how old is the history of china and how old is the history of japan?
in japan they do use chinese letters, cause if you look at normall jap kanji and look at the chinese kanji or whatever you call it they use youlle see a big difference. the chinese one is much harder to make and looks more beatifull in writing, thats why japanese use it in poems and titles and stuff like that. like when you do the ppower for geese and you see the 3 chinese characters, those are chinese, they could have written it in japanese kanji and it would have looked diffeferetly. the pronouncements may differ but the meaning is the same.
but about the rules of mahjong, dont know about that if its the same or not....

SouthtownKid · Dec 24, 2005

MUSOLINI said:
ah but the letters they are using a lot of the times are chinese. in fact japanese are chinese. long ago they went from the mainland of china to search for new land for the emperor of that time, but after they discoverd japan they stayed and made it the the japan we see nowadays. how old is the history of china and how old is the history of japan?
in japan they do use chinese letters, cause if you look at normall jap kanji and look at the chinese kanji or whatever you call it they use youlle see a big difference. the chinese one is much harder to make and looks more beatifull in writing, thats why japanese use it in poems and titles and stuff like that. like when you do the ppower for geese and you see the 3 chinese characters, those are chinese, they could have written it in japanese kanji and it would have looked diffeferetly. the pronouncements may differ but the meaning is the same.
but about the rules of mahjong, dont know about that if its the same or not....

Musolini, sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about here. The japanese characters you're talking about aren't kanji in the first place. Not every japanese letter is a "kanji". You're confusing kanji with hiragana and katakana, which are completley different forms of writing. The kanji for the P. Power of Geese are Japanese, but it's the SAME written in Chinese, get it?

That's why I tried to explain it to you with the example of European contries using the same alphabet. Yes, Japanese Kanji is descended from China; no shit. These letters you and I are using now "A, B, C, D, etc." also come from somewhere besides our home countries. So what? I'm still typing in english.

vintage · Dec 24, 2005

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Xian Xi · Dec 24, 2005

SouthtownKid said:
@Xian Xi: the "wa ina" you're talking about is called "ron" in Japanese, and written in katakana if you can read that. Japanese and Chinese mahjong rules are slightly different, so maybe that's part of the problem? You can only 'ron' in certain circumstances; I don't know Chinese rules, so I don't know if that's the same.

For the Chinese rules you can "Ron" when you need your last tile either it be a tile to complete a straight "1-2-3 etc" or to complete a 3 of a kind. Traditionally in chinese mahjing you can only take the "ron" for a straight from the person on your left but the 3 of a kind from anyone. But in the NGCD game you are only playing against 1 person so I guess that doesnt apply.

I am so used to playing chinese mahjong I believe thats what the problem is. Were there any english mahjong titles on the AES or NGCD?

SouthtownKid · Dec 24, 2005

Xian Xi said:
For the Chinese rules you can "Ron" when you need your last tile either it be a tile to complete a straight "1-2-3 etc" or to complete a 3 of a kind. Traditionally in chinese mahjing you can only take the "ron" for a straight from the person on your left but the 3 of a kind from anyone. But in the NGCD game you are only playing against 1 person so I guess that doesnt apply.

I am so used to playing chinese mahjong I believe thats what the problem is. Were there any english mahjong titles on the AES or NGCD?

I don't know... I never saw any.

Another condition for 'ron' is you can't 'ron' a tile the same as one you discarded earlier. Maybe that's the problem? Otherwise, I don't know what it could be. You should be able to ron from your opponent.

SoloFenris · Jan 1, 2006

SouthtownKid said:
I don't know... I never saw any.

Another condition for 'ron' is you can't 'ron' a tile the same as one you discarded earlier. Maybe that's the problem? Otherwise, I don't know what it could be. You should be able to ron from your opponent.

That's most likely the problem he is having. Chinese rules don't have "furiten."

Jeff

Xian Xi · Jan 1, 2006

SoloFenris said:
That's most likely the problem he is having. Chinese rules don't have "furiten."

Jeff

Hey Jeff,

How do I finish my hand then? Are the rules still the same as chinese as to where all your sets of 3 need to be completed and have 1 pair?

Example:

123 456 789 @

So if I pull a @ or my opponent drops it, I win. Correct? If it is then it's the same but just need to know how to.

Thanks

SoloFenris · Jan 1, 2006

Xian Xi said:
Hey Jeff,

How do I finish my hand then? Are the rules still the same as chinese as to where all your sets of 3 need to be completed and have 1 pair?

Example:

123 456 789 @

So if I pull a @ or my opponent drops it, I win. Correct? If it is then it's the same but just need to know how to.

Thanks

Okay, technically, that is how you win. But in the Japanese rules, if you have previously discarded a tile that you could now use to win, you can't pull it off another player. Let's look at an example:

D=dot B=bamboo N=number W=wind D=dragon

You are waiting with -3-4-D. That means that a 2 or 5 D will complete your hand and you will win. However, if you previously discarded a 2 or 5 dot, you can't take either one of them off another player to win. You have to draw it yourself. This is what the Japanese call "furiten." Of all the Neo mahjong games I have played, these rules are absolute. Another example:

5-5-D 6-6-B

So, in this hand, a 5 dot or a 6 bamboo will win you the game. If you discarded the the 5 dot earlier, you can't take the 5 dot OR the 6 dot from another player.

The only other thing I can think of is that you don't have at least one "yaku." I don't know Chinese rules, and I have never had to explain this in English before, so bear with me.

"Yaku" is what the Japanese call the different hands they can make. I think in Chinese it is called "Fan." If a hand doesn't have at least one yaku, you can't go out.　Here is a page that lists all the yaku for Japanese mahjong:

yaku

If you need something on that page translated, let me know. Of the mahjong games I have played, the following are selections used to go out:

ロン ron
ツモ tsumo
アガリ agari (lit. win)

Hope that helps,

Jeff

Xian Xi · Jan 1, 2006

SoloFenris said:
Okay, technically, that is how you win. But in the Japanese rules, if you have previously discarded a tile that you could now use to win, you can't pull it off another player. Let's look at an example:

D=dot B=bamboo N=number W=wind D=dragon

You are waiting with -3-4-D. That means that a 2 or 5 D will complete your hand and you will win. However, if you previously discarded a 2 or 5 dot, you can't take either one of them off another player to win. You have to draw it yourself. This is what the Japanese call "furiten." Of all the Neo mahjong games I have played, these rules are absolute. Another example:

5-5-D 6-6-B

So, in this hand, a 5 dot or a 6 bamboo will win you the game. If you discarded the the 5 dot earlier, you can't take the 5 dot OR the 6 dot from another player.

The only other thing I can think of is that you don't have at least one "yaku." I don't know Chinese rules, and I have never had to explain this in English before, so bear with me.

"Yaku" is what the Japanese call the different hands they can make. I think in Chinese it is called "Fan." If a hand doesn't have at least one yaku, you can't go out.?Here is a page that lists all the yaku for Japanese mahjong:

yaku

If you need something on that page translated, let me know. Of the mahjong games I have played, the following are selections used to go out:

?? ron
?? tsumo
??? agari (lit. win)

Hope that helps,

Jeff

Jeff,

Thanks a bunch dude for explaining that. I will let you know if I need anything translated. I can read most hiragana and katakana, now kanji thats another story.

Thanks,
James

SoloFenris · Jan 1, 2006

Xian Xi said:
Jeff,

Thanks a bunch dude for explaining that. I will let you know if I need anything translated. I can read most hiragana and katakana, now kanji thats another story.

Thanks,
James

No prob. Anytime

Jeff

pellucidity · Jan 14, 2006

Ah, Mahjong players. I wish I had my family's set here (bamboo and ivory in a wooden cabinet, bought long before that sort of thing was frowned up - and no I'm not Chinese).

Just asking, do you think it would confuse people more or less if we tried to get people to distinguish between Kanji and Hanzi?

SoloFenris · Jan 22, 2006

pellucidity said:
Ah, Mahjong players. I wish I had my family's set here (bamboo and ivory in a wooden cabinet, bought long before that sort of thing was frowned up - and no I'm not Chinese).

Just asking, do you think it would confuse people more or less if we tried to get people to distinguish between Kanji and Hanzi?

I bought an ivory and bamboo tile set here in Japan at a garage sale for about twenty bucks. You gotta love dumb rich people. I have no idea how I am going to smuggle it back into the states though. I better practice lubing up some body cavities. As far as the distinction between Kanji and Hanzi, I don't think it will be too much of a problem. Japanese mahjong uses a lot of the same characters for its mahjong hands and many of the names remain unmodified.

Jeff

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