The Big Scam (Part II)

[BioMotor_Unitron]

[EDITOR'S NOTE: The member known as Kyokugen Star sold, via eBay, a converted Metal Slug 1 cart (worth several hundred dollars) as an original cart (worth, and sold for, well over a thousand dollars). The buyer, understandibly peeved, posted his grievances on NG.com in this thread HERE (http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56799) (worth skimming for the details of what occured). As that thread turned into a multi-page epic of accusations and spam, BioMotor_Unitron formed a continuation here. (Note: due to some antics at a far later date, posts by Feelgood could be by either EvilWasabi (now known as Wasabi) or Feelgood --yup, there's a lot of backstories on these forums...).]

The other Thread is getting too cluttered. If you wish to reference it, you can find it HERE (http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56799).

This Thread is to continue the original, except for a couple of small changes. This one is going to be for constructive Posts only, aimed at reuniting Laurent with his money. Random flaming, Thread crapping, etc., will be deleted.

If you feel like slinging random mud, feel free to take it to the War Room.

[CHRiZ-77]

OK, lets try to speak like humans again.

If that really happened to Bahamut, KS aka Ralph Karels should refund the money to him, or maybe he´s offering an solution, to solve that prob soon as possible IMO.

I´m sorry guys for beeing a bit rude, but nearly ALL of YOU blamed me for nothing.
I just defended myself.

[FeelGood]

Ok, I was talking with another very respected list member and he said it straight up - someone from Germany should step up and offer to get Ralph's contact info and the info of german police in his area so that they can help them reach a solution.

PS - Chris-77 - take me off your ignore list. You PM me and then place me on ignore showing how afriad you are of discussing what happened in a civilized manner. Anyone who calls you a scammer can do so with confidence if that is how you deal with people. You should be suspended from the ng forums until Laurent gets back his money because honestly, you've only added to the fire and gave no solutions, and half-hearted yet mocking condolences (of course it was fake!).

[ April 06, 2002: Message edited by: EvilWasabi ]</p>

[less than joseph]

[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>Ok, I was talking with another very respected list member and he said it straight up - someone from Germany should step up and offer to get Ralph's contact info and the info of german police in his area so that they can help them reach a solution.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I was thinking the same thing. This is a case of fraud now, is it not?
-joseph

[GamersAbyss]

[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>Ok, I was talking with another very respected list member and he said it straight up - someone from Germany should step up and offer to get Ralph's contact info and the info of german police in his area so that they can help them reach a solution.

PS - Chris-77 - take me off your ignore list. You PM me and then place me on ignore showing how afriad you are of discussing what happened in a civilized manner. Anyone who calls you a scammer can do so with confidence if that is how you deal with people. You should be suspended from the ng forums until Laurent gets back his money because honestly, you've only added to the fire and gave no solutions, and half-hearted yet mocking condolences (of course it was fake!).

[ April 06, 2002: Message edited by: EvilWasabi ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Exactlly EW, you hit the nail right on the head. He needs to take this matter to the authorities. If I lived in Germany I would be the first one to step up but he has other avenues as well. Maybe someone could get the phone numbers for him to the local Police? Prosecutor? I wish I was more familiar of how they handle things like this in Germany because sadly most of my experience in dealing with Fraud cases has been in the USA only.

[Loopz]

Brandi posted this in the other thread, saying that if it came out that Chriz had nothing to do with this, he'd publicly apologize. I'm willing to do the same. But so far it doesn't look good for either Kyokugen or Chriz. Shill bidding among buddies is quite common. Those other threads about the converted Slug make this whole thing look hella shady. As for Kyokugen, I'm completely convinced.

HIS SILENCE SPEAKS THE LOUDEST. If I knew I was guilty and had no intention of giving up the refund, I'd be quiet too.

[GamersAbyss]

Laurent this is the steps I advise everyone to use here in the USA, hopefully you can take what you need from this to help you take action.

<a href="http://www.neo-geo.com/reviews/specialfeatures/efraudFAQ/internetfraudFAQ.htm" target="_blank">http://www.neo-geo.com/reviews/specialfeatures/efraudFAQ/internetfraudFAQ.htm</a>

[CHRiZ-77]

IF iT CAME OUT, THAT I´M NOT iNVOLVED...
A LOT OF GUYS, WHO´VE BLAMMED ME FOR NOTHiNG SHOULD BE SEND TO THE "SUSPENDED LiST!!!"
That´s my offer!!! What about it EvilWasabi and others, maybe you´ll be ban then!!!
BTW, you´re not longer on my "ignore list"...

[waku7]

CHRISS ZZ machin bidule continue a m'insulter c'est malin
The big PROBLEM is that you try to defend yourself but you defend your KS too!

"If that really happened to Bahamut"
why IF IF IF IF????????????????
it's not "if" its "KS fucked LAurent"
nothing more to say.

also if you have nothing with that scam story (i think you're not unhonest , but maybe you tried just to help your friend, if he is one of your friends,
Stop insult half of the board with free insults ok ?

maybe you are a big boxer, you wanna fight, you have cousins in france blabla.
fight is not considered like a solution in this problem.

also try to change your violence in good thoughts.

and try to admit that your behaviour in this story wasn't very ....clean.
and in this story everybody in thses boards begin to believe nobody and see conspiracy...
also sorry if you are not in the scam to accuse you but this don't change about KS situation.
KS is guilty.

and for the references of laurent.
it's not his 20 posts who makes a reputation;
Laurent know most of most important sellers and collectors in france.
his reputation is not to do....

[CHRiZ-77]

Waku7

Come on, don´t be blind!!!
I was not here for JUST one fucking day, and you´ve seen what happened to me.
Some friends told me, that i better get movin to these Forums, course a lot of YOU guys started blamming me w/o any facts!!! Just check out the whole thread, that´s the truth.
I´m not a violent guy, but WHO was the guy, who pulled KS and ME into dirt??? Why ME??? Course i´ve bidden on that same CART??? REDiCOLOUS!!!

[Blaine]

My take on this whole stupidity:

Someone like Bobak with a greater understanding of law may find fault with my logic, but to the best of my understanding for "fraud" to occur basically all you have to do is prove...well..."fraudulent intent".

So let's say I'm selling a Hong Kong Knock-Off of a Transformer. It looks exactly like a Green Optimus Prime and the box says "MegaFormers". If I purchased it for $20 in China town or online and I go to eBay and I try to sell it for $30 then that's not fraud. I'm intending to make more than I paid for it, but that doesn't change it's inherant value to someone who wants the goofy looking thing.

Now if it looked EXACTLY the same and I tried to sell it for $500, then that is fraud. I'm intending to make more money on it by playing of the value of ANOTHER, more valuable yet similar looking item. The price alone should be an indicator that what I'm selling is authetic even if I never outright declare it is.

If someone paid $220 for a conversion and the offers to sell it for an exponential sum of what they paid for it and that price is within the price range of what one would expect the authentic item to be...than there may be an intent to commit fraud by making the percieved value of that game higher than it has any right to be.

I could be wrong on that but I think that's close.

As far as this whole scenario is going:

Hell, this may even be subject to the "Lemon Law" in the States. No commercial transaction is complete until 72 hours have elapsed. No matter what you buy or where you buy it if it doesn't meet the stated or implied conditions of that transaction, the transaction can be legally recinded. The seller gets his item back, the buyer gets his money back. Even if you go to a store that has "NO RETURNS", legally they have to let you if the product is faulty or doesn't work as implied. That's why you sometimes see "Sold AS IS" because then the stated condition is saying there may be something wrong with it, check it out first.

This law was basically put into effect for used car dealerships. People would buy a car and then the next day it wouldn't start.

This was a legal transaction but the implied condition of the game (in this case implied by the price, the starting price specifically) was not met. The buyer thought it was real, the seller, in this case Ralph's father, admitted he didn't know if it was real or not but agreed to refund the money if it wasn't. Him saying that means legally he was representing the game as authentic in an 'or else' case. "It's real, or else I'll refund your money". So both parties have agreed the cart is authentic, it was not, the transaction never took place, the buyer should get back his money, the seller should get back his cart. The shipping and any other costs should be split, although if I was Laurent I'd offer to eat $20 to get back a couple thousand.

If anyone else knows more about law than I (which is quite a few) let me know if I'm mistaken, because as I've said this is just my interpretation.

[FeelGood]

[quote]Originally posted by CHRiZ-77:
<strong>IF iT CAME OUT, THAT I´M NOT iNVOLVED...
A LOT OF GUYS, WHO´VE BLAMMED ME FOR NOTHiNG SHOULD BE SEND TO THE "SUSPENDED LiST!!!"
That´s my offer!!! What about it EvilWasabi and others, maybe you´ll be ban then!!!
BTW, you´re not longer on my "ignore list"...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thank you for removing me from your ignore list. I have nothing to really say in response to your comment after posting my thoughts above. But at least why don't you post the contact information you have for Ralph Karels or for Bahamut. It would help expedite his refund, and don't worry about what Kyokugen Star thinks of you afterwards. He's dead here.

[CHRiZ-77]

[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
Thank you for removing me from your ignore list. I have nothing to really say in response to your comment after posting my thoughts above. But at least why don't you post the contact information you have for Ralph Karels or for Bahamut. It would help expedite his refund, and don't worry about what Kyokugen Star thinks of you afterwards. He's dead here.<hr></blockquote>

WHAT SHALL i DO??? I´VE DONE THAT, BEFORE YOU ALL BLAMMED ME, BUT NOW!!! iSN´T MY WAR!!!
BUT MAYBE THERE´S SOMETHiNG I CAN DO FOR "Bahamut!!!" I´LL TRY TO CONTACT "KS" aka "KYOKUGEN STAR", but NOTHiNG MORE!!!
I WON´T DO MORE FOR HiM, AFTER PULLiNG ME iNTO DiRT W/O ANY REASON!!!

RALPH, gib diesem kleinen Lutscher sein Geld zurück, oder einige Dich mit IHM!!!
Obwohl ER es vielleicht nicht verdient hat!!!

[FeelGood]

Your name would sparkle like daimonds if you just made a little unselfish effort. Seriously. Get over the "you blamed me" bs and act like the innocent and HONORABLE man you claim to be. As our representative in Germany you can help in ways that many of us cannot.

[less than joseph]

[quote]Originally posted by Blaine:
<strong>My take on this whole stupidity:

Someone like Bobak with a greater understanding of law may find fault with my logic, but to the best of my understanding for "fraud" to occur basically all you have to do is prove...well..."fraudulent intent".
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Didnt he say that it was an actual metal slug cart in the auction description? How can it not be fraud when he is passing off something which he knows is not what the buyer is expecting for the sole purpose of making money? He missrepresented the merchandise in order to rip off bahumut. Seems like fraud to me.
-joseph

[Loopz]

I agree with Blaine that the starting asking price alone denotes that the item for sale was an authentic Metal Slug 1 AES. For KS to claim that Bahamut was greedy by supposedly wanting a US MS1 for "half" of what its worth is reprehensible on many levels...even the price guide on this site has the price of that cart at $1600-$2000 (albeit some lately on EBay have sold for more). And if Chriz wanted it so bad, why did he stop just short, if he shared KS' view that the cart is worth much more? None of this adds up...especially when you throw in the fact that the one who's on the side without direct responsibility is the one making the loudest replies, and the one who's directly guilty is entirely silent.

Anyway, here's hoping that this episode brings forth positive change, perhaps helping to bring down prices via folks being much, much more cautious with massive purchases like these, or the more reputable sellers like GA and 16-bit getting increased business because of their hard-earned reputations.

In the end, Kyokugen Star's willingness to trash a formerly solid reputation for one big score is the biggest mystery of all. He could end all of this with one simple act.

Chriz, you claim everyone is bashing you without any proof. You were first to jump to his defense, even though the facts weigh heavily against him now matter how you look at it. Friendship is one thing, but it's clear that you're only defending him because the trail leads RIGHT BACK TO YOU.

[ April 06, 2002: Message edited by: Loopz ]</p>

[Blaine]

[quote]Originally posted by joseph:
<strong>Didnt he say that it was an actual metal slug cart in the auction description?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I've made no attempt to check out the auction myself as my german is rusty at best and I'd just as soon rely on the information in the threads.

But if Laurent emailed Ralph's Dad to ask if it was original or not, wouldn't logic dictate it didn't say it explicitly in the auction description?

That's part of the problem is the auction didn't say flat out "Original" or "Authentic" it simply reference 1996 as the year the game was made.

My contention is even if the auction didn't say "Authentic" the starting price and Ralph's father's declaration together would indicate that they were representing or willing to represent it as authentic.

[CHRiZ-77]

Looks like YOU won´t stop pulling/blaming me...

Yeah, course i couldn´t believe what´s going on...

THAT´S ALL!!! Now, stop these bullshit of "That make you suspicious or Your Guilty!!!"
That´s makes more sense IMO!!!

[tsunami]

[quote]Originally posted by Blaine:
<strong>

I've made no attempt to check out the auction myself as my german is rusty at best and I'd just as soon rely on the information in the threads.

But if Laurent emailed Ralph's Dad to ask if it was original or not, wouldn't logic dictate it didn't say it explicitly in the auction description?

That's part of the problem is the auction didn't say flat out "Original" or "Authentic" it simply reference 1996 as the year the game was made.

My contention is even if the auction didn't say "Authentic" the starting price and Ralph's father's declaration together would indicate that they were representing or willing to represent it as authentic.</strong><hr></blockquote>

well, i don't think the auction's description should have explicitly stated that the item was authentic.
even if the cart itself (and I mean the PCB) comes from SNK, the collecting value of an AES cart is exponentially higher than its MVS counterpart.
here lies the fraud: KS, using his father's account (why couldn't he use kyoukugen_disciple?) tried to sell a converted cart as an original.
if there was no criminal intent (yes, criminal) he could have used his account, and not his father's (and KS contributed to his father's feedback: KS, what's the need to buy something from your father on ebay????)

to bahamut: if you issued a cheque, you should be able to track down who got your money, and i suppose you'll have sent the cheque to an address: so give KS (or better his father, since you dealt with him) 7 days to send your money back (i suggest western union) plus the shipping costs you'll face sending the fake cart back.
if he refuses to pay, report your case to the local authorities, they will contact the German Police on your behalf.

and chris77: if you're innocent (and i'm not telling you're not), you've done all you could to prove you're guilty.
you've been far too aggressive, and usually that's a sign of guilt
however, bahamut didn't take you in, read the forum again and you'll find out
and stop the kung-fu crap, it makes you sound a 10 year old, not exactly someone people will buy merchandise from

[Takumaji]

Just came back to read more about the MS1 fraud. And boy, what did I have to read there...

To tell you the truth, I was kinda shocked about all those suggestions about banning/black listing Germans or German speaking ppl from any transactions and whatnot. That really stinks, sorry. The only thing I share with KS is the nationality, we're both Germans, yeah, but trying to put me in the very same sinking boat is simply EMBARRASSING to say the least.

90% of my game buying happens face-to-face, with ppl I know since I was a little kid, and with honest, reliable sellers in or near my home town. Most of us would rather walk a hundred miles on their bare feet to get a deal done correctly than even REMOTELY falling suspicious of unhonourable transactions.

All of us whacky gamers over here strictly CONDEMN KS's foul play, in every aspect, as well as we are aware that all this may lower the level of trust we Germans/Europeans have in the international neo scene. This alone is bad enough, we'll have to accept it I guess, but we DON'T see reason to mark all of us scammers by default.

And no, I don't want to protect anyone or excuse anything. The recent events showed me that some parts of the neo community are just feeble-minded little toadies who would sell their granny to get some lousy bucks, and who don't deserve any support other than showing them the door.

Ralph, wherever you are, get your shit straight with Laurent. Please. End this sad story. This has already gone too far.

[FeelGood]

[quote]Originally posted by Takumaji:
<strong>Just came back to read more about the MS1 fraud. And boy, what did I have to read there...

To tell you the truth, I was kinda shocked about all those suggestions about banning/black listing Germans or German speaking ppl from any transactions and whatnot. That really stinks, sorry. The only thing I share with KS is the nationality, we're both Germans, yeah, but trying to put me in the very same sinking boat is simply EMBARRASSING to say the least.

90% of my game buying happens face-to-face, with ppl I know since I was a little kid, and with honest, reliable sellers in or near my home town. Most of us would rather walk a hundred miles on their bare feet to get a deal done correctly than even REMOTELY falling suspicious of unhonourable transactions.

All of us whacky gamers over here strictly CONDEMN KS's foul play, in every aspect, as well as we are aware that all this may lower the level of trust we Germans/Europeans have in the international neo scene. This alone is bad enough, we'll have to accept it I guess, but we DON'T see reason to mark all of us scammers by default.

And no, I don't want to protect anyone or excuse anything. The recent events showed me that some parts of the neo community are just feeble-minded little toadies who would sell their granny to get some lousy bucks, and who don't deserve any support other than showing them the door.

Ralph, wherever you are, get your shit straight with Laurent. Please. End this sad story. This has already gone too far.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Not many people actually backed any measures to blacklist all Germans, and not all Germans are talking out against Ralph. Seems like most are taking the back seat.

The fact you condemn Ralph for his crime separates you from certain other folk.

[CHRiZ-77]

Takumaji,

mannomann!!! Einige hier haben wirklich Probleme!!!
Warum glaubt hier eigentlich "fast" Jeder Ich wäre ein "guter" Freund von Ralph???
Nur weil Ich gesagt habe, Leude lernt erstmal die Fakten kennen, oder besser beide Seiten der Medaille bevor Ihr Leude verurteilt!!!

EGAL!!! DAS iSS EiN ECHTER KiNDERGARTEN!!!

[Blaine]

[quote]Originally posted by Takumaji:
<strong>To tell you the truth, I was kinda shocked about all those suggestions about banning/black listing Germans or German speaking ppl from any transactions and whatnot.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Ignore them.

By that token I should be banned because I don't condemn Neon Dion and Rhis Cay for thier bad transaction with Shawn. I just don't care. If someone asks if they should use them, I tell them 'no' and site reasons why, but I'm not going on a crusade against them.

If you don't want to get involved...don't. Who gives a shit whether you back Ralph or Laurent? Anyone who gives a shit what the german public at large feels should either run for office in Germany or shut the hell up.

[Takumaji]

[quote]Originally posted by Blaine:
<strong> [...] Anyone who gives a shit what the german public at large feels should either run for office in Germany or shut the hell up.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well put, Blaine.

The whole situation is caused by collectors items with a market value of more than ten times of its initial price, and by greedy folks, on both sides.

[Daisuke Jigen]

Why has no one mentioned the fact that Kyokugens father has the eBay ID "SNKadorer"?

He obviously knows a little about SNK, and in all likelyhood, NEO GEO.

[BioMotor_Unitron]

Or perhaps both accounts belong to KS?

[Takumaji]

What's more, there's an interesting feedback in snkadorer's history, from eBay ID kyokugen-disciple

'Nuff said.

[ April 06, 2002: Message edited by: Takumaji ]</p>

[Eric]

[quote]Originally posted by Daisuke Jigen:
<strong>Why has no one mentioned the fact that Kyokugens father has the eBay ID "SNKadorer"?

He obviously knows a little about SNK, and in all likelyhood, NEO GEO.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry if someone pointed this out already, but I'm not about to wade through 500+ posts to find out if someone has.

But...Take a look at SNKadorer's (Kyokugen's father's) feedback on eBay. The very first one is positive feedback from Kyokugen Disciple AKA Kyokugen Star

Now, the fact that anyone would buy something from their dad using eBay seems a little strange to me.

I guess I'll let others draw their own conclusions from this.

Edit: Whoops, someone beat me to this in the post right before mine.

[ April 06, 2002: Message edited by: Eric ]</p>

[Dampfwalze]

[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>Not many people actually backed any measures to blacklist all Germans, and not all Germans are talking out against Ralph. Seems like most are taking the back seat.

The fact you condemn Ralph for his crime separates you from certain other folk.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Woa, hey! Slow down please!
So every german BBS member is obliged to speak
against KS?
Is every american obliged to speak against NGF
also?

So to avoid being banned for not speaking out
loud, here are my credos:

1. I hate ROMs only gamer! (also known as Pirates)

2. I hate freaked NG games and I'd never buy a
freaked cart or CD. (Nor any other carts
that are altered from the original status)

3. I definetly condemn people that defraud buyers
(with "defraud" I mean ripping people off their
hard earned money, hope "defraud" is the right
word)

4. I also hate those, that put people into one
bag, only because they have the same nationality.
We define ourselves by our deeds, not by the
name of the country written on our ID cards.

So KS, if you are reading this: please clear
things up with Bahamut. I had a good deal once
with you and so had many others, I think.
It would be a shame to kill your reputation by
not trying to find a solution with Bahamut.
I'd be pissed too, if I had payed so much money
for a converted cart. Don't get on the same low
level like the ones that ripped you off your
money once (you mentioned, that it happened to you
too).
If there was no intention that bidders may
mistake the conversion with the original,
than be cool and refund the guy.
But if you had the intention that someone
mistakes it with the original home cart, than
you have to life with the consequences, I guess.

Would be a shame though. :(

[Lita_Rulez]

Hello all

I am new on this board, as a matter of fact I have just completed my inscription form.

I did not intend to come here and say what I think about that scam, for most of what I have to say has been said left or right.

But here comes a piece of news every one should know :

I HAVE JUST SPOKEN TO BAHAMUT ON THE PHONE, HIS COMPUTER HAS BEEN HACKED AN HOUR OR SO AGO...

IF ANY OF YOU STILL HAD ANY DOUBTS ABOUT KS AND HIS "INTEGRITY" THINK AGAIN !!!

[GamersAbyss]

Ok easy on the Germans here folks....LOL. I am 100% German and my Grandparents are from the old country. I think it would be safe to say most Germans are hard working honest people.

May I ask one of my fellow Germans a favor? I would like the phone number to the local police in KS's area. If just one person could do that for me I would appreciate it. Thanks :)

[Adol]

What!?
What do you mean hacked?

L'enculé de sa mère..
Oh for your info EvilWasabi I read in the whole thread you asked why I hosted the pics of bahamut.
He had nowhere to host them so i propsoed him to host them, that's all, I have nothing to do with this deal whatsoever.
I've been ripped off a MS1 by a jap guy though (sent 80000 yens summer 2000, never got the cart), and by a german guy (! :) for a Metal Slug 1 CD on Ebay: I bought for about $150 a BRAND NEW JAP MS1 ( I collect BRAND NEW Neo Cds lastly ) and received a used without spine card US MS1...
I've been ripped off $8-10k on the net since the start.
That gives to think about.

[GamersAbyss]

[quote]Originally posted by Lita_Rulez:
<strong>Hello all

I am new on this board, as a matter of fact I have just completed my inscription form.

I did not intend to come here and say what I think about that scam, for most of what I have to say has been said left or right.

But here comes a piece of news every one should know :

I HAVE JUST SPOKEN TO BAHAMUT ON THE PHONE, HIS COMPUTER HAS BEEN HACKED AN HOUR OR SO AGO...

IF ANY OF YOU STILL HAD ANY DOUBTS ABOUT KS AND HIS "INTEGRITY" THINK AGAIN !!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Very uncool!! Please tell me he made back ups of all of the needed files he will have to have as proof? :(

[Lita_Rulez]

Adol I don't know how well you know bahamut, but if you are the guy I'm thinking of, you have my cell phone number (he gave it to you a few weeks back during the hollidays)
call me up I'll fill you in.

Otherwise, post here, I'll give you details.

en tout cas, je passe le voir demain pour vérifier tout ce bordel...

[Lita_Rulez]

I did not ask him about the backup files...

the line is busy now...

[GamersAbyss]

[quote]Originally posted by Lita_Rulez:
<strong>I did not ask him about the backup files...

the line is busy now...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well hopefully he can weed out the hack with his anti-virus. This story just gets worse with every post. Steal a guys 1600 then hack his computer. There wouldnt be a big enough rock to hide under. <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

[Caris Nautilus]

[quote]Originally posted by Eric:
<strong>

Sorry if someone pointed this out already, but I'm not about to wade through 500+ posts to find out if someone has.

But...Take a look at SNKadorer's (Kyokugen's father's) feedback on eBay. The very first one is positive feedback from Kyokugen Disciple AKA Kyokugen Star

Now, the fact that anyone would buy something from their dad using eBay seems a little strange to me.

I guess I'll let others draw their own conclusions from this.

Edit: Whoops, someone beat me to this in the post right before mine.

[ April 06, 2002: Message edited by: Eric ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well most scammers nowdays have a couple fake ebay accounts, so they can bid on their onw shit, take dion for example, he has his dkd4 name, the ngf name, prada, and then chris ray has various fake accounts.

The dad story is probably just a line, or a made up identity he uses. The skeletons are all coming out.

[ April 06, 2002: Message edited by: Drift King EX ]</p>

[BIG BEAR]

Uhhh,I just read through this newly started thread and I read some comments made about the "blacklist" that I threatened to pose..
I stated that something needed to be done because it appeared to me that people who live in that specific part of the world were coming to the defense of KS even after he admitted ripping bahamut off. I AM NOT CONDEMNING GERMAN PEOPLE...let's not get it fucked up okay.. All I suggested was an idea...OUT OF 500 plus posts you can count on 1 hand the # of ideas proposed...
Ideas that will hopefully lead to a solution..
This type of theft is serious and if it's not dealt with swiftly,copycat behavior is highly likely...
Uhhh,it's not about a "crusade",it's about "giving a damn" and tossing out some ideas to hopefully force this moron to return the money...
If you have something to say to me..whoever it may be ADDRESS ME! Shut Up? This is a public forum...the initial started was looking for opinions and ideas..HE GOT WHAT HE ASKED FOR...
If someone burned your ass for 1600 you'd be happy somebody was unselfishly starting a CRUSADE for justice on your behalf!
You guys think it's a bad idea..fine but I am glad to see more members who live in that area condemn the actions of KS...
If my comments raised any eyebrows,then that's half the battle!!
After a person admits to "wrong doing" there is no defense...
-BB

[Caris Nautilus]

Kyokugen Star is on the boards rigt now, hehe.

[BIG BEAR]

[quote]Originally posted by Drift King EX:
<strong>Kyokugen Star is on the boards rigt now, hehe.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If that dickhead does'nt return the money i will create a FAQ on his ass and spread throughout the internet!! he is an embarrASSment to this community!!
Sometime the good people get caught up in the actions of bad people... they'll only have KS to thank...
-BB

[Lita_Rulez]

[quote]Originally posted by GamersAbyss:
<strong>

Well hopefully he can weed out the hack with his anti-virus. This story just gets worse with every post. Steal a guys 1600 then hack his computer. There wouldnt be a big enough rock to hide under. <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Nothing to do with the post quoted over here, but I wanted to talk to you and didn't feel like finding another one of your posts...

have just been through the 20 some pages of the thread, and 4 things seem very very unsetling to me (and funily enough, they are all about Chris77) :

1. Overbiding one's self ?

I can see why you would overbid yourself for the last auction, caughing out the max amount you would pay for the item 10 seconds before the end of the auction, just to be sure that no one overbids you with 10 bucks...
I would not do it, but I can understand it.
But, if as he claims he did, he did it for this reason, why in the world would he evoerbid himself 2 days before, and only for 25 bucks ????

2. Flaming and cursing and SHOUTING ?

I actually LMAO loocking at the picture of the keyboard circling out the CAPS LOCK key... but why in the world is the man cursing and shouting instead of plain-saying that he was duped as well
as bahamut was ?

Then, although I think the guy's name spells Llama, I do have 2 things to say for his defence :

3. Asking KS to give the money back ?

The guy actually has done so on the forum... twice !
Only he did in german...
But why in gods' name did he do it in german ?
Doing so in english would probably have cooled down a lot of those flaming him...

4. The whole speach he did in german :

Well actually, he does not threaten you nor anyone.
He just spills his guts about the situation, and basically says that all who jumped him for noreason whatsoever are sory beeings, and that there will come a time when the righteous ones will be known for what they are, and the wrongdoers will pay for their acts; and he is allready smiling to himself, thinking of that day.

But then again, why is the post that actually sound sane and looks like he didn't do anything wrong in german ?

Sometimes, I realy don't understand people around here...
Do the words logic and inteligence mean anything anymore ?

[NipRing]

[quote]Originally posted by Lita_Rulez:
<strong>

Nothing to do with the post quoted over here, but I wanted to talk to you and didn't feel like finding another one of your posts...

have just been through the 20 some pages of the thread, and 4 things seem very very unsetling to me (and funily enough, they are all about Chris77) :

1. Overbiding one's self ?

I can see why you would overbid yourself for the last auction, caughing out the max amount you would pay for the item 10 seconds before the end of the auction, just to be sure that no one overbids you with 10 bucks...
I would not do it, but I can understand it.
But, if as he claims he did, he did it for this reason, why in the world would he evoerbid himself 2 days before, and only for 25 bucks ????

2. Flaming and cursing and SHOUTING ?

I actually LMAO loocking at the picture of the keyboard circling out the CAPS LOCK key... but why in the world is the man cursing and shouting instead of plain-saying that he was duped as well
as bahamut was ?

Then, although I think the guy's name spells Llama, I do have 2 things to say for his defence :

3. Asking KS to give the money back ?

The guy actually has done so on the forum... twice !
Only he did in german...
But why in gods' name did he do it in german ?
Doing so in english would probably have cooled down a lot of those flaming him...

4. The whole speach he did in german :

Well actually, he does not threaten you nor anyone.
He just spills his guts about the situation, and basically says that all who jumped him for noreason whatsoever are sory beeings, and that there will come a time when the righteous ones will be known for what they are, and the wrongdoers will pay for their acts; and he is allready smiling to himself, thinking of that day.

But then again, why is the post that actually sound sane and looks like he didn't do anything wrong in german ?

Sometimes, I realy don't understand people around here...
Do the words logic and inteligence mean anything anymore ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just one side question for you? Is this your only ID in here? You only have 5 posts, said you have just completed your " inscription form", yet you said "Sometimes, I realy don't understand people around here..." Which makes me wonder, just how long have you been "around here", if these are only your first posts???

<img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" />

[Caris Nautilus]

[quote]Originally posted by The Collector:
<strong>

Just one side question for you? Is this your only ID in here? You only have 5 posts, said you have just completed your " inscription form", yet you said "Sometimes, I realy don't understand people around here..." Which makes me wonder, just how long have you been "around here", if these are only your first posts???

<img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


hehe, funny we have new accounts poping up that have so much to say on this matter...

[CHRiZ-77]

It´s definately funny, how everybody tries to flame me...I´ll praise YOU!!!
As i can see, some NEWBEE´s have flammed me too, but that´s equal, course most of them haven´t reached the AGE of 19!!!
CHRiZ-77, "KS Partner in Crime" or "Bootlegger Groupie" are just redicolous and starts to amazed me...

[Liquid Snake]

1) We have a lot of "split personality" type people in here lately.

2) some members just don't want to use their "real" ID when posting coz they're afraid of trouble in the future

3) To Chriz_77, you really mess yourself...sigh...

[GamersAbyss]

[quote]Originally posted by Lita_Rulez:
<strong>

Nothing to do with the post quoted over here, but I wanted to talk to you and didn't feel like finding another one of your posts...

have just been through the 20 some pages of the thread, and 4 things seem very very unsetling to me (and funily enough, they are all about Chris77) :

1. Overbiding one's self ?

I can see why you would overbid yourself for the last auction, caughing out the max amount you would pay for the item 10 seconds before the end of the auction, just to be sure that no one overbids you with 10 bucks...
I would not do it, but I can understand it.
But, if as he claims he did, he did it for this reason, why in the world would he evoerbid himself 2 days before, and only for 25 bucks ????

2. Flaming and cursing and SHOUTING ?

I actually LMAO loocking at the picture of the keyboard circling out the CAPS LOCK key... but why in the world is the man cursing and shouting instead of plain-saying that he was duped as well
as bahamut was ?

Then, although I think the guy's name spells Llama, I do have 2 things to say for his defence :

3. Asking KS to give the money back ?

The guy actually has done so on the forum... twice !
Only he did in german...
But why in gods' name did he do it in german ?
Doing so in english would probably have cooled down a lot of those flaming him...

4. The whole speach he did in german :

Well actually, he does not threaten you nor anyone.
He just spills his guts about the situation, and basically says that all who jumped him for noreason whatsoever are sory beeings, and that there will come a time when the righteous ones will be known for what they are, and the wrongdoers will pay for their acts; and he is allready smiling to himself, thinking of that day.

But then again, why is the post that actually sound sane and looks like he didn't do anything wrong in german ?

Sometimes, I realy don't understand people around here...
Do the words logic and inteligence mean anything anymore ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I completely understand where you are coming from. If someone acusses you of something as serious as this situation is my first reaction would probably be anger too but for the good of my business reputation I would absolutly and possitivly state my case in the most professional manner possible.

ChriZ-77 may very well be completely innocent of shill bidding for KS but he has to take into consideration the facts. He was the second highest bidder, they are friends and if he really wanted this game knowing KS from personal deals in the past, why did he not just e-mail him and say hey I will give you so and so and such and such to cancel the auction and you can even save yourself some ebay fee's?

Thats what I would have done. Instead of clearing this up and simple just stating "KS should give him his money back, I bid because I wanted it to" he could have saved himself alot of finger pointing. Instead we got to hear about his Kick Boxing skills and his connections to Gang Warfare which I couldnt help but snicker about because I personally feel cowards run in packs :)

If you are going to play the wounded part play it like your wounded and not busted.

[BRANDI]

[quote]Originally posted by BioMotor_Unitron:
<strong>Or perhaps both accounts belong to KS?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Now that seems clear enough...
The SNKadorer is the dirty account, while Kyokugen_disciple is the clean one...

A well orchestraded scam...

[Daisuke Jigen]

Whatever happened to the Black Book?

[waku7]

2) some members just don't want to use their "real" ID when posting coz they're afraid of trouble in the future

pffff!!!
trouble in the future!
L O L.

pathetic.
"i don't want problem in the future if i defend ..."
what the fuck.
one touch of brave please.

If you cannot say loud that you think, you can go to hell...


if laurent had been hacked :)
KS must be very proud!
KS is a son of the devil.
hahaha

KS is so amazing.
HIS OLD firend tell that he didn't know he was so ANGRY.

stop the coke KS pleaaaasseee :)

[Hakkun]

[quote]Originally posted by Lita_Rulez:
<strong>Hello all

I am new on this board, as a matter of fact I have just completed my inscription form.

I did not intend to come here and say what I think about that scam, for most of what I have to say has been said left or right.

But here comes a piece of news every one should know :

I HAVE JUST SPOKEN TO BAHAMUT ON THE PHONE, HIS COMPUTER HAS BEEN HACKED AN HOUR OR SO AGO...

IF ANY OF YOU STILL HAD ANY DOUBTS ABOUT KS AND HIS "INTEGRITY" THINK AGAIN !!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

COME ON! Stop these bulls! Do you have any proof? If not, I repeat, stop the bulls!

KS can be guilty but too many person talked having no idea of what was going on... acting like a "positive" member of these forums...

[BRANDI]

[quote]Originally posted by Hakkun:
<strong>KS can be guilty...</strong><hr></blockquote>

KS IS guilty <img src="graemlins/mad2.gif" border="0" alt="[Mad 2]" />

[dralair]

Hi,

Conspiracy against laurent continue.

His computer have been hacked yesterday night.

Now, it can post nothing and don't respond to emails.

Is neo-geo.com on the way to the war against him ?!?

That's very sad...

[Hakkun]

[quote]Originally posted by BRANDI:
<strong>

KS IS guilty <img src="graemlins/mad2.gif" border="0" alt="[Mad 2]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Whatever...

[BRANDI]

[quote]Originally posted by Hakkun:
<strong>Whatever...</strong><hr></blockquote>

These are straight facts, not opinions... :cool:

[Takumaji]

[quote]Originally posted by BIG BEAR:
<strong>Uhhh,I just read through this newly started thread and I read some comments made about the "blacklist" that I threatened to pose..
I stated that something needed to be done because it appeared to me that people who live in that specific part of the world were coming to the defense of KS even after he admitted ripping bahamut off. I AM NOT CONDEMNING GERMAN PEOPLE...let's not get it fucked up okay.. All I suggested was an idea...OUT OF 500 plus posts you can count on 1 hand the # of ideas proposed...
Ideas that will hopefully lead to a solution..
This type of theft is serious and if it's not dealt with swiftly,copycat behavior is highly likely...
Uhhh,it's not about a "crusade",it's about "giving a damn" and tossing out some ideas to hopefully force this moron to return the money...
If you have something to say to me..whoever it may be ADDRESS ME! Shut Up? This is a public forum...the initial started was looking for opinions and ideas..HE GOT WHAT HE ASKED FOR...
If someone burned your ass for 1600 you'd be happy somebody was unselfishly starting a CRUSADE for justice on your behalf!
You guys think it's a bad idea..fine but I am glad to see more members who live in that area condemn the actions of KS...
If my comments raised any eyebrows,then that's half the battle!!
After a person admits to "wrong doing" there is no defense...
-BB</strong><hr></blockquote>

BB, in my first post about b/l Germans in this thread I was referring to the general idea of banning a whole bunch of ppl just because they live in the same country as KS. I felt (and feel) that this would be the worst thing we could do.

Personally I did not get the impression that the majority of the German members supported or tried to find excuses for KS. Some of them expressed their mixed feelings about the super-quick, super-harsh judgements of some members. You know, it's very easy to sit there and flame around, but it doesn't help anyone, not Laurent, not us. Laurent won't get his ducats back just because a member of neo-geo.com posts "KS is a fucking scammer!!!", but if he offers help or posts constructive ideas. As you said, there weren't many of them in that other thread. Addressing that wasn't a bad thing IMO.

Back to the case at hand...

The whole problem seems to be that KS doesn't want to refund Laurent, but only according to the two or three posts he made about it. There's always eBay, and if the cart really was a fake, the auction was illegal in the first place. They have their legal department for that.

Laurent may have contacted them already, so let's see.

[Hakkun]

[quote]Originally posted by BRANDI:
<strong>

These are straight facts, not opinions... :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't see it so clear like you do...

I'd like to hear from KS himself...

[BRANDI]

Please Alessandro, do yourself a favour and re-read the original thread... it's Ralph himself who admitted in his own replies that:
1)The auction was made by him (or his father, it doesn't matter)
2)The cart is actually a conversion.

The auction was fraudolent in the first place, because they (Kyokugen family) didn't say it was a conversion; moreover, they made an agreement with the buyer and then break it...

Enough said...

[Hakkun]

[quote]Originally posted by BRANDI:
<strong>Please Alessandro, do yourself a favour and re-read the original thread... it's Ralph himself who admitted in his own replies that:
1)The auction was made by him (or his father, it doesn't matter)
2)The cart is actually a conversion.

The auction was fraudolent in the first place, because they (Kyokugen family) didn't say it was a conversion; moreover, they made an agreement with the buyer and then break it...

Enough said...</strong><hr></blockquote>

You don't know me... I never say anything until I'm completely sure about something obscure...

From what I can understand KS is 100% guilty if, and only if that story of his father selling the cart is a fake... I'm simply trying to understand if it is or not... but since everyone post bulls without even knowing what they are talking about, it's hard to me to do it...

As I told you into the Italin topic it's hard for me to understand that a top collector like him made such an illegal thing...

That's all. I'm not defending anyone...

[ April 07, 2002: Message edited by: Hakkun ]</p>

[tsunami]

brandi made a good summary, just forgot to mention the fact that after using his "father's" (spells dirty) account, Ralph stepped in the transaction.
he keeps contraddicting himself: first he asks his father to put the game on ebay, then he declares he doesn't have part in the deal, so whose cart was that?
why did KS feel the need to use a different account?
how could his father (who knows nothing about the scene) describe the cart in detail using technical jargon, and more, why such an high starting price?
everything smells in this deal

what i don't undestand is why a respected member of the forum (well, at least before the scam) should drag his name in the dirt for 1600$ thus preventing himself from having deals in the future.

well, i'd been warned against other german sellers, but they usually trade shit for AES carts (naomi boards @800$ anyone?), but selling shit for good money is fraud.

personally i was about to buy BTG from KS, but gess what, i'm having second thoughts

and last, he compromised his reputation to such an extent that even if he refunded the whole sum to bahamut and left him the cart as a goodie, i'd still think twice about having business with him

[BRANDI]

[quote]Originally posted by Hakkun:
<strong>From what I can understand KS is 100% guilty if, and only if that story of his father selling the cart is a fake... I'm simply trying to understand if it is or not... but since everyone post bulls without even knowing what they are talking about, it's hard to me to do it...

As I told you into the Italin topic it's hard for me to understand that a top collector like him made such an illegal thing...

That's all. I'm not defending anyone...]</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm shocked just like you to see Ralph acting this way, but his words and behaviour can't be ignored... <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

[laurent]

CLOSE THIS FUCKING TOPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i heard enough about this story,it s time to stop we know finally all!

1-ks is fucking guilty and he must payback or NO ONE WILL DEAL AGAIN WITH HIM(or his father)

2-chrizz77 bidded on this metal slug and there s no real prove he is in this dirty business!so if no one have something evident to say please shut up definitively

3-the neogeo community proposed to help laurent (1600$/160=10$ for 160 members)but he denied

4-please shawn or dolphin or any moderator CLOSE THIS FUCKING TOPIC it s time now for laurent to do something on justice this forum is not the international police and we re not lawyer we can t help more unfortunatly

<img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> <img src="graemlins/help.gif" border="0" alt="[Help]" /> <img src="graemlins/help.gif" border="0" alt="[Help]" />

[Lita_Rulez]

[quote]Originally posted by CHRiZ-77:
<strong>It´s definately funny, how everybody tries to flame me...I´ll praise YOU!!!
As i can see, some NEWBEE´s have flammed me too, but that´s equal, course most of them haven´t reached the AGE of 19!!!
CHRiZ-77, "KS Partner in Crime" or "Bootlegger Groupie" are just redicolous and starts to amazed me...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Chris, I am a NB and I don't pretend otherwise.
I do browse the boards once in a while because I like to see what becomes of a game system i used to like, but make no mistakes, I could not care less about beeing known or recognized in here.
I do not make business one the NG community
I do not inteend to do so in the next few years
I am not interested in paying that kind of money for a bloody game, I do not criticise you all doing it, I probably do things a lot stupider with my money (for instance pay speeding tickets...)

However, when Bahamut called me yesterday night, I was shocked. I had not been in here for weeks, and I had no clue what was going on. I knew he had bid a great amount of money and won, that's as far as it went for me.
So when he told me he had been hacked and, my first question was : why in the world would anyone want to hack you ? (I mean, u can get on any computer for fun, you don't need to know the guy, but a reasonable hacker needs a good reason to trash the place)
So he told me there was sheit going on in here.
I asked him if he wanted me to look into the matter, just to see if anyone was parading around saying how bad he was because he got back at him.
He said no.
I did come here however, and red the whole story, front and back.
I just had to state that Bahamut had been hacked, if for nothing else, because he is obviuously not going to post arounf here for a while.

Now, on to flaming you :

Look at my post for crying out loud !
I did say I did not understand things about you, true !
But I did say what no one here has : THAT YOU DID ASK KS TO GET IT OVER WITH AND FIND A WAY TO EASE THINGS WITH BAHAMUT !
how is that flaming you ?
I have also roughly translated the post you upped in german, so that people stop believing that you flamed them in german.
Again, how is that flaming you ??

ICH HABE NUR GESAGT, DAS ICH NICHT VERSTEHEN CAN, WARUM DU ALLES WAS VERNUNFTIGES GESCHRIEBEN HAST, AUF DEUTCH SCHREIBEN MÜSSTE. ES WURDE AN DIR VIEL LEICHTER GEWESEN, UND FAST ALLEN HIER HATTEN DIR ALEIN LASSEN, HÄTTES DU SOLCHEN DINGEN AUF ENGLISH GESAGT !

[laurent]

das ist klare und schrecklish.... :(

au fait tu es francais mais quel est ton vrai nom?on dirait bien que la french touch s agrandit sur ce forum de our en jour :rolleyes:

[Hayabusa]

[quote]Originally posted by laurent:
<strong>

au fait tu es francais mais quel est ton vrai nom?on dirait bien que la french touch s agrandit sur ce forum de our en jour :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

LOL :)
un francais s'est grave fait arnaqué donc c'est normal que ca soit des francais qui reagissent le +,meme des guest qui sortent de l'ombre.pour le "hack" de laurent,j'espere qu'il a un pote vers chez lui qui a le net et qu'il pourra consulter ses mails et messages et que cette sale affaire se reglera au mieux

[Lita_Rulez]

[quote]Originally posted by laurent:
<strong>das ist klare und schrecklish.... :(

au fait tu es francais mais quel est ton vrai nom?on dirait bien que la french touch s agrandit sur ce forum de our en jour :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Nico, mais je ne pense pas agrandir la communauté.

As I have said earlyer, I respect neo adicts, but I am definitly not one. I just wanted to state flat out that :

I am not acusing anyone inhere, but look at the facts :

Bahamut starts a thread in here.
He gets threatened by some dudes saying you will pay for that, and this is not over with
2 Days after starting the thread, Bahamut gets hacked.

now you go figure...

[Tiptonium]

[quote]Originally posted by tsunami:
<strong>

he keeps contraddicting himself: first he asks his father to put the game on ebay, then he declares he doesn't have part in the deal, so whose cart was that?

why did KS feel the need to use a different account?

how could his father (who knows nothing about the scene) describe the cart in detail using technical jargon, and more, why such an high starting price?

everything smells in this deal

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner. These inconsistencies have bothered me as well. There are just too many holes in Ralph's argument.

Oh, I received an actual smelly cart in a deal once. It's true! Someone else has it now. ;)

[BRANDI]

Now, to end this story, let me try to tell you how things went out (this is my opinion, based on the facts emerged in these threads, but i'm quite sure it's really close to the truth)

Ralph tried a gamble on german Ebay (usually these auctions are limited to german people only, due to language problems, and are not worldwide attended by foreigner collectors).
He had this Metal Slug conversion, and probably said "let's try to put this on auction without tellin' this is original or fake, and let's see what happen..."
He used another Ebay account, to not soil his own official account...
He found a "newbie", who bidded on it, asking if the game was legit... he replied that he doesn't know, but when Laurent won the auction, they found an agreement :"If the game is fake, you'll have your money back".
Probably Ralph was hoping to find someone not too deeply involved in the Neo scene, so to be able to fool him over the actual cart's origins...
When Laurent received the game, he noticed that it was fake and contacted the seller, then Ralph (aka his father) tried to close the door by saying:"i can't refund you, the game works properly"...
Laurent kept on pushing and, finally, Ralph took a stand saying about the 'supposed' misunderstanding with his father, in the hope to deal with a guy not too expert and without online contacts...
But, when Ralph found himself (rightfully) exposed by Laurent on these forums, he realized that it was almost impossible to get out clean from this mess, even offering a refund, knowing that the Neo community would have noticed that the auction itself was clearly shady and fraudolent...
So he decided to stay in the deep shit, losing his reputation but gaining $1600...

BOTTOM LINE:
Laurent, i'm sorry but Ralph will never give your money back spontaneously, considering that his name now will never be rehabilitated, even with a refund...
So you need to contact Ebay and other authorities in order to denounce this fraud...
Try to contact GamerAbyss, he can be helpful...
and good luck!

[ April 07, 2002: Message edited by: BRANDI ]</p>

[CHRiZ-77]

@Hakkun:
Thx for beeing wise... ;)

@BRANDI:
Seems like KS is guilty, but not ME!!!

@Lita_Rulez
I didn´t mean YOU, as i´ve spoken about these NEWBEE´S!!! You seems to be a normal guy for me.

@LiQUiD:
Sometimes ALL the things getting out of Control!!! :(

[Stephane]

on va pas le laisser se faire entuber, quelqu un sait si il a contacter la justice ou ebay, ou recus une reponse potable the kyo machin ?

A+

[Hayabusa]

[quote]Originally posted by Stephane:
<strong>on va pas le laisser se faire entuber, quelqu un sait si il a contacter la justice ou ebay, ou recus une reponse potable the kyo machin ?

A+</strong><hr></blockquote>

je crois pas que l'autre putain d'escroc lui a envoyé une reponse potable.au contraire il a preferé sacrifier sa "réputation" pour gagner le max de sous,de toute facon qu'il rembourse ou pas il sait qu'il est grillé sur le forum,plus personne ne voudra faire de buisness avec lui alors...mais il perd rien pour attendre car laurent semble avoir eu pas mal de bons conseils,grace au forum notament,donc esperons qu'il sache quoi faire

[Caris Nautilus]

Speak english people. Your disrespecting every english speaking person here that can't speak your language.

Your on an American BBS, the least you can do is speak english so we all can read it.

[FeelGood]

[quote]Originally posted by Drift King EX:
<strong>Speak english people. Your disrespecting every english speaking person here that can't speak your language.

Your on an American BBS, the least you can do is speak english so we all can read it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />
At least until we get a better education system here in the states where kids can actually learn another language. Have mercy on us.

[Gamemaster]

Wanted

http://www.neo-geo.com/snk/images/siteofyear.jpg

[ April 07, 2002: Message edited by: Gamemaster ]</p>

[CHRiZ-77]

Some of YOU french guys got skillz of speaking german! NOT BAD! :)

Manche Menschen erkennen den Wald vor lauter Bäumen nicht, auch nicht wenn Sie mittendrin stehen!!! That happened in the Forums, sometimes. :)

[Stephane]

[quote]Originally posted by Gamemaster:
<strong>Wanted

<a href="http://www.neogeo.com/snk/images/siteofyear.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.neogeo.com/snk/images/siteofyear.jpg</a> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Your link doesnt work !

[CHRiZ-77]

[quote]Originally posted by Gamemaster:
[QB]Wanted

http://www.neo-geo.com/snk/images/siteofyear.jpg

[ April 07, 2002: Message edited by: Gamemaster ]<hr></blockquote>

So, that should work...You´ve forgotten the -between neo and com... ;)

[Gamemaster]

@ Chris

Ja hab ich dann auch gemerkt ;)

[CHRiZ-77]

[quote]Originally posted by Gamemaster:
Ja hab ich dann auch gemerkt ;) <hr></blockquote>

Alles klar... ;)

[Caris Nautilus]

[quote]Originally posted by CHRiZ-77:
<strong>

Alles klar... ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Keep it up... and I'll go full on eBonics on your ass, and you won't understand anything! ;)

[Eric]

[quote]Originally posted by Drift King EX:
<strong>

Keep it up... and I'll go full on eBonics on your ass, and you won't understand anything! ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Perhaps it's time to resort to the universal language of pig latin.

Or we could just speak English, since I'm guessing EVERYONE at these forums can speak that(although I have my doubts when it comes to some people :) )

[Mr. T]

[quote]Originally posted by Tiptonium:
<strong>


Oh, I received an actual smelly cart in a deal once. It's true! Someone else has it now. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


Hehe, and I am that someone else!! I have still yet to get rid of that smell out of the case...Next is soapy water and a wash cloth...But seriously, Tiptonium is an awesome seller, not like that Kyokugen Star sucka...Bahamut, if and when you get ur hands on tha sucka that ripped you off, do some of this shit to him...

http://sucka.50megs.com/image/Spaz_fly.jpg

[NipRing]

"Hey Clubber, got any predictions for the fight?"
"Yeah, PAIN!!" <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />

[Soilwork]

Hell yeah! I just bought the Rocky DVD collection today too! I'm gonna knock you out Balboa!

[BIG BEAR]

Mr.CRiZ "iF HE DiD THiS" -77
If I was on trial for a murder and admitted guilt during the preceedings I would hope you'd be on the jury panel judging from your initial comments on the whole situation.
1600 does'nt strecth too far these days...KS


http://www.netreach.net/~scop/kyokugen.gif

[FeelGood]

Aww damn...

http://theshodown.homestead.com/files/TLOL.jpg

http://theshodown.homestead.com/files/TKick.jpg

http://theshodown.homestead.com/files/TMad.jpg

http://theshodown.homestead.com/files/tNeo.jpg

And now, for a scene from a Mr. T VS Gizmo comic strip I made. I pity da foo...

http://theshodown.homestead.com/files/TWait.jpg

Chriz seems awfully sympathetic towards Star, especially for someone who flat out denies being involved in any way.

I also find his father's eBay ID interesting, as is the fact that his son bids (and wins) some of his auctions. Fucking shill-bidding crook...

[NipRing]

<img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" /> <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" /> <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" /> <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />
OMGLMFAO
<img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" /> <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" /> <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" /> <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />

[Tiptonium]

[quote]Originally posted by Mr. T:
<strong>


Hehe, and I am that someone else!! I have still yet to get rid of that smell out of the case...Next is soapy water and a wash cloth... </strong><hr></blockquote>

I think the smell as somehow worked its way into the genetic code of the case itself. Good luck!

:)

[bahamut]

Hello guys. I saw that my friend Nico posted here yesterday to say that I have been hacked. Unfortunately, that's a reality. So, I will only be able to post from my job office for the moment.
Please don't flame KS or anyone name for this action since I don't know who this action comes from.

I'm not sure to be able to save my all my hard disk drive data for the moment, but I'm working on this.

To give you some news on the situation, Ralph or Charles has not replied to any email from the beginning of the topic. Ebay confirmed me that they won't be able to refund me more than $200 and my bank can't do any opposition on the check I sent to Charles.

GamerAbyss, if you're ok, I will contact you in a few days to report you the actions I can realize from France. Perhaps you will be able to help me.

Ralph if you're reading this post, you're now warned that I'm officially beginning pursuit against you since I have contacted a friend of me who is a lawyer. I'm not looking for war, so if you give me some news for you in the following days, I'm ok to stop the processus.

Thanks again for the links and good advices some of you gave me.

[bishounen]

bahamut: IMHO, I bet you were hacked in an attempt to destroy all electronic evidence that you might have against KS. :eek:

[CHRiZ-77]

[quote]Originally posted by BIG BEAR:
Mr.CRiZ "iF HE DiD THiS" -77
If I was on trial for a murder and admitted guilt during the preceedings I would hope you'd be on the jury panel judging from your initial comments on the whole situation.
1600 does'nt strecth too far these days...KS


http://www.netreach.net/~scop/kyokugen.gif<hr></blockquote>

WELL "Grosses Gummibärchen" aka BiG BEAR, NOT EVERYONE COULD BE SO BRiGHT AS YOU ARE!!! :D

[CHRiZ-77]

BTW, thx for your "Not guilty"...

I´ve forgotten something to say, Geese Howard and his son Rock, Billy Kane, Joe Higashi, Blue Mary, Mai and lots of others are some personal friends of me... :)

[BIG BEAR]

[quote]Originally posted by CHRiZ-77:
<strong>BTW, thx for your "Not guilty"...

I´ve forgotten something to say, Geese Howard and his son Rock, Billy Kane, Joe Higashi, Blue Mary, Mai and lots of others are some personal friends of me... :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey.. maybe KS did ask you to bid up his auction..really does'nt matter..friends do favors for friends,pals do favors for pals or whatever.
KS did'nt even come to your defense which leads me to believe he's a piece of garbage! He had time to admit scamming and stating NO REFUND but he did'nt clear YOU CHRiZ-77..KS really left you hanging...I guess he wanted you to share some of the blame but it was not YOU who mailed the counterfeit game it was KS..To blame you whether you participated in that auction or not is WRONG.
KyoKugen Star is the ONLY ONE responsible and the ONLY TARGET...and for him not to speak on @ least your behalf just demonstrates what a COWARD he is...
BTW CHRiZ-77 never let someone use you for FREE..especially drag your credibility IN THE DIRT as you say..
-BB

[CHRiZ-77]

[quote]Originally posted by BIG BEAR:
1.) Hey.. maybe KS did ask you to bid up his auction..really does'nt matter..friends do favors for friends,pals do favors for pals or whatever.

2.) KS did'nt even come to your defense which leads me to believe he's a piece of garbage! He had time to admit scamming and stating NO REFUND but he did'nt clear YOU CHRiZ-77..KS really left you hanging...

3.) I guess he wanted you to share some of the blame but it was not YOU who mailed the counterfeit game it was KS..

4.) To blame you whether you participated in that auction or not is WRONG.
KyoKugen Star is the ONLY ONE responsible and the ONLY TARGET...and for him not to speak on @ least your behalf just demonstrates what a COWARD he is...

5.) BTW CHRiZ-77 never let someone use you for FREE..especially drag your credibility IN THE DIRT as you say..
-BB<hr></blockquote>

1.) I´ll repeat it for YOU!!! I haven´t known, that "snkadorer" is/was KS-dad!!! I haven´t dealed with "snkadorer" before, just with Kyokugen Star. I bid for my own. Not for anybody else or him!!! Hope that´s clear now!!!

2.) So it is. That makes me mad. Not another statement from him. DAMN!!! <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" />

3.) I guess not. Maybe he´s pissed off. I don´t know.

4.) So shall it be. It was Kyokugen Star not me, who made such BULLSHiT!!! Most of the other guys forgot that...

5.) I NEVER allow someone to USE me free, just my girlfriends. Noone else. BTW, it was not Kyokugen Star who tried to pull my credibility iNTO DiRT, it was a tiny bitchass SUCKER called "Charmane"...

Hope YOU got my words. ;)

[BIG BEAR]

[quote]Originally posted by CHRiZ-77:
<strong>

1.) I´ll repeat it for YOU!!! I haven´t known, that "snkadorer" is/was KS-dad!!! I haven´t dealed with "snkadorer" before, just with Kyokugen Star. I bid for my own. Not for anybody else or him!!! Hope that´s clear now!!!{/qb]
<hr></blockquote>
Quite Clear.. YOU ARE INNOCENT,I understand this.
[quote][qb]
2.) So it is. That makes me mad. Not another statement from him. DAMN!!! <img src="graemlins/veryangry.gif" border="0" alt="[Very Angry]" /> </strong>
<hr></blockquote>
He could have cleared you immediately but he did'nt..I would be scared too if 80% of the members condemned me too ( NOT ) but I would clear a pals name @ least
[quote]<strong>
3.) I guess not. Maybe he´s pissed off. I don´t know.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Why should he be pissed off? He's 1400 Richer and he had time to admit his guilt but not clear your name..
[quote]<strong>
4.) So shall it be. It was Kyokugen Star not me, who made such BULLSHiT!!! Most of the other guys forgot that...
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Your ranting and raving helped take the focus off of KS of a minute which led me to believe your not too bright :-D and probably others
[quote]<strong>
5.) I NEVER allow someone to USE me free, just my girlfriends. Noone else. BTW, it was not Kyokugen Star who tried to pull my credibility iNTO DiRT, it was a tiny bitchass SUCKER called "Charmane"...
</strong><hr></blockquote>
This may be true but KS could have cleared you immediately sense he did'nt have a problem admitting his own guilt and NO REFUND because He's pissed.
[quote]<strong>
Hope YOU got my words. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah,I got them..all 30 replies to KS's 2
BTW,I hope KS is not your girlfriend because you got PLAYED.. :-D
-BB

[ April 08, 2002: Message edited by: BIG BEAR ]</p>

[CHRiZ-77]

[quote]Originally posted by BIG BEAR:
Yeah,I got them..all 30 replies to KS's 2
BTW,I hope KS is not your girlfriend because you got PLAYED.. :-D
-BB
<hr></blockquote>

Truly not, course i´m not ONE of these gay-boys like some others in the forums. :D
I really like these delicious tiny C**TS...
That´s not a lie, just a fact. ;)

[BonusKun]

You know I just sat & digested all of the original thread and now this one. I've been gone the latter half of last week so I haven't had much time to check here but, as far as Kyokugen Star goes, I like the guy personally.

His only major fault, he fucked up with his responses.

He should have just said 'Ok my bad I'll fix it' and this whole mess of bullshit *and it IS bullshit* could have been avoided without the 2nd generation of SNK Devils likes Big Bear, Drift KingEX & others jumping down KS's throat out for blood.

I'm honestly happy I wasn't here. This is something akin to a lynch mob and heaven forbid if anyone with a serious rep here fucks up..... <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

[CHRiZ-77]

[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
1.) I like the guy personally.

2.) He should have just said 'Ok my bad I'll fix it' and this whole mess of bullshit *and it IS bullshit* could have been avoided without the 2nd generation of SNK Devils likes Big Bear, Drift KingEX & others jumping down KS's throat out for blood.
<hr></blockquote>

Bonuskun, you´re REALLY a WiSE GUY!!! ;)

1.) I hadn´t NEVER probz with Kyokugen Star personally, that´s what i´ve said the whole time...

2.) You´ve spoken true words here!!! I have to thank God for YOUR words... :rolleyes:

[BRANDI]

[quote]Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>You know I just sat & digested all of the original thread and now this one. I've been gone the latter half of last week so I haven't had much time to check here but, as far as Kyokugen Star goes, I like the guy personally.

His only major fault, he fucked up with his responses.

He should have just said 'Ok my bad I'll fix it' and this whole mess of bullshit *and it IS bullshit* could have been avoided without the 2nd generation of SNK Devils likes Big Bear, Drift KingEX & others jumping down KS's throat out for blood.

I'm honestly happy I wasn't here. This is something akin to a lynch mob and heaven forbid if anyone with a serious rep here fucks up..... <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

That was a SCAM... maybe someone went beyond the limits, but that doesn't change the gravity of the situation... <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

[BIG BEAR]

Television ain't got nothin' on Neo-Geo.COM :-D

Ralph Karels is an admitted THIEF.. It's that simple..He obviously did'nt value his rep and took the easy way to fame and fortune...
opinions are opinions..they come in all shapes,sizes and colors...Kyokugen Star is a RAT!
All members should stay away from this admitted THEIF! He may have got away this time (nice take) but he won't be BURNING anyone else unless the choose to be burned in the future
The public KNOWS about Ralph Karels now...
HE's Finished! he has been added to the AWARENESS
campaign...
SEVERE SCAMMING deserves SEVERE criticism..The SCAM is not OKAY and his response and excuse is REDICULOUS.
-BB

[HPMAN]

[quote]Originally posted by bahamut:
<strong>I'm not sure to be able to save my all my hard disk drive data for the moment, but I'm working on this.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yopu should try Ontrack Easy recovery with your crashed disk put into another computer, it usually recover most files.

[GamersAbyss]

[quote]Originally posted by bahamut:
<strong>Hello guys. I saw that my friend Nico posted here yesterday to say that I have been hacked. Unfortunately, that's a reality. So, I will only be able to post from my job office for the moment.
Please don't flame KS or anyone name for this action since I don't know who this action comes from.

I'm not sure to be able to save my all my hard disk drive data for the moment, but I'm working on this.

To give you some news on the situation, Ralph or Charles has not replied to any email from the beginning of the topic. Ebay confirmed me that they won't be able to refund me more than $200 and my bank can't do any opposition on the check I sent to Charles.

GamerAbyss, if you're ok, I will contact you in a few days to report you the actions I can realize from France. Perhaps you will be able to help me.

Ralph if you're reading this post, you're now warned that I'm officially beginning pursuit against you since I have contacted a friend of me who is a lawyer. I'm not looking for war, so if you give me some news for you in the following days, I'm ok to stop the processus.

Thanks again for the links and good advices some of you gave me.</strong><hr></blockquote>


When you need my help just e-mail me.

[CHRiZ-77]

Hey DUDES, i have got just a few apologize til yet!!! Were are YOU waiting for??? LMK.

[achika]

I'm just glad some of the bad blood is starting to clearing up around here. And be glad for the fact that there are people like GamersAbyss around to help iron out the situation.

[dralair]

Hi Chris,

Just give the information to the forum without be angry.

I have found this post where you were talking about the MS1 auction.

<a href="http://www.neo-geo.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=002931" target="_blank">http://www.neo-geo.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=002931</a>

How do you know that the cart was a fake ?!?

Thanks to answer.

[CHRiZ-77]

Hi dralair,

if i ask someone a question, like i´ve done to "snkadorer", and get NO answer after a couples of emails, then sometimes i call them a FAKER.
Even some friends of me, have sent "snkadorer" lots of emails, but noone, even me, have got an answer til yet. That´s what i´ve told Laurent aka Bahamut too, nothing else.
Further probz??? :rolleyes:

[CHRiZ-77]

BTW "dralair aka Loic",

ask "Bahamut aka Laurent Astoin" about it.

First YOU both wanted an US MS1 i´ve offered, but i´ve traded that game to another ONE, for an offer, i couldn´t denied!!!
Fact is, that i haven´t another US MS1, so i´ve bidden on that auction like Bahamut too.
I lost against him, the last 2 seconds. These are real facts...YOU know that.
And now, YOU both should leave me alone, even YOUR holy friend "charmane"...

Let´s stop these NEVERENDiNG KiDDiE-WAR.

OK? GOOD!!! :cool:

[ April 08, 2002: Message edited by: CHRiZ-77 ]</p>

[FeelGood]

Are you not friends with Kyo Star Chriz? Didn't you know he had that whack item in his collection?

Maybe it was the language barrier, but it sounded like you were trying to hide something and you weren't trying to deny ANYTHING when you first started defending yourself. That is why people jumped all over you, so no apology is really needed. Chalk it up to a simple case of miscommunication and move on.

[CHRiZ-77]

[quote]Originally posted by FeelGood:
1.) Maybe it was the language barrier, but it sounded like you were trying to hide something and you weren't trying to deny ANYTHING when you first started defending yourself.

2.) That is why people jumped all over you, so no apology is really needed. Chalk it up to a simple case of miscommunication and move on.<hr></blockquote>

1.) Maybe it was the language barrier. Don´t know.

2.) Yea, that´s what i´ll do, but i´ve keept some of the "Jumping on a Gun-Guys" in my mind. :)

[BonusKun]

[quote]Originally posted by BRANDI:
<strong>

That was a SCAM... maybe someone went beyond the limits, but that doesn't change the gravity of the situation... <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh I know it was a scam. I'm not debating that issue nor do I condone it. I guess I'm just laughing on the inside because if this has been Dion or Chris, a lot of you wouldn't have been out for blood as much as you are now.

I guess with the Duo we've gotten used to it but with a guy like Ralph who even tho I've bumped heads with on a few occasions I ended up respecting his opinoin.

What he's done or should I say how he's gone about dealing with this is foolish. I'm not here to judge on the guy because I don't know him.

What he's done is pretty much burn a bridge and I honestly wish he had gone about this differently.

Either way, I wash my hands of this entire debate. I was out of it before when it all started and I'm out of it now.... :cool:

[ April 08, 2002: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</p>

[Eric]

From another thread:
[quote]Originally posted by CHRiZ-77:
<strong>A FRiEND OF ME SOLD TWO OF THEM A FEW DAYS AGO...

THERE ALSO WAS ONE ON EBAY, BUT THAT WAS A FAKER!!! :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

What this tells me is that Chriz-77 did not know who the eBay seller was, so all this does is help with what he has been telling us all along: He did not know that snkadorer is (supposedly at least) Kyokugen Star's father. And who would honestly know that, especially since you look at snkadorer's feedback and see Kyokugen Disciple.

Luckily, it seems that people are getting off Chriz-77's back, since before we labeled him as guilty by association, not because of any facts.

PS: Let the insanity continue. :rolleyes:

[BIG BEAR]

http://www.netreach.net/~scop/kyokugen.gif

I don't know him but he came here to the forums and proudly admitted guilt to his SCAM therefore he is now FAMOUS.
Would also like to apologize to CHRiZ-77 who is not guilty of being in on the scam...however I find him guilty for being "totally clueless" even making me more ashamed of myself :-D
-BB

[ April 08, 2002: Message edited by: BIG BEAR ]</p>

[CHRiZ-77]

[quote]Originally posted by Eric:
From another thread:


What this tells me is that Chriz-77 did not know who the eBay seller was, so all this does is help with what he has been telling us all along: He did not know that snkadorer is (supposedly at least) Kyokugen Star's father. And who would honestly know that, especially since you look at snkadorer's feedback and see Kyokugen Disciple.

Luckily, it seems that people are getting off Chriz-77's back, since before we labeled him as guilty by association, not because of any facts.

PS: Let the insanity continue. :rolleyes: <hr></blockquote>

TRUE WORDS BUDDY!!! :)

[the_move]

I havent been here on these forums for quite a while!

Took quite some time to read all this stuff (21 pages at Nr. 1 and now 5 pages at number 2)

But now - with out sheltering or condemning anybody but all of you - you have all done your best do make the Neo community a "rivalry" with everyone waiting for the best "rip-off"-deals.

A look at famous "Price Guide" - which let me puke all over the screen - is the perfect proof.

I remember those days - not long ago, maybe 4 years - when almost nobody was aware of how common or rare their carts actually are. Those were the days of reasonable prices. I was offered a MS1 US for only 700 DM at 1998 (too bad I did not have the money), but now only 4 years later 2000 $, no Deutsch Marks, but fucking US Dollars!

Most people in here have done their best to get those games´ prices right were they are now. At unreasonable overdone stats.

A close look at the selling forums shows anyday, how insane you are, asking 200$ + for a simple Neo AES homesystem. 3 years ago I got a complete boxed system for 200 DM, and that´s right their price should have stayed. Especially in the past 6 years the dollar´s value has risen far too high compared to the DM or the - IMO totally shitty - EU. That give´s the US "Community-companions" around even a bigger advantage, since importing, exchange, etc. is also a pain in the ass. The Dollar should have stayed at 1,34 Deutschmarks, that´s how it should be eternally.

And this Forum show me anyday, that "Rip-off-fucktards", Bootleggers or not, are a widespread here, and that´s why I - like many other Neo Fans, who can not take this shit - (almost) turned our backs on this forum. And most people in this forum seems to have way too much money, otherwise the nobody would pay those rediculous prices shown at the "price guide".

Because with the help of this forum, the Neo is unfortunatly turning to a "bourgeois only"-shit, just as I always say. And anybody - reliable or not is always there when a could rip off deal could be made, no exception. The idea of the Neo seems no more to be the consuming idea, but the idea of giving it more at more value as the items actually have to let them become a "symbol of your status". And that´s not what they were made for. They were made to enjoy, not for envy.

KS is a "greedy collector" as far as I know, but I think many of you are of the same caliber and are not allowed to throw any stone, which could be reppeled right back at you.


To Kyukugen Star: Ralph if this is true, please do the refund. This is really not worth it. In fact this is really criminal, since this could be easily taken to the court as a swindle!

To Evil Wasabi: It is not "benefit of doubt"! It is called "In dubio pro reo". And now the ones who understand this Latin sentence should leave Chriz_77 alone.

To Blaine: Nice to see your old sig back (nice chick)

To Big Bear and Drift King Ex: For that sigs you should be banned temporarily and your sigs should be locked and erased. That´s the same shit I did with Fran and got banned for by Shawn.

To end this post I once more remind all.

Community; this word is based on "Communism"! The fact that this here is based on the American idea of competition and free market makes this here nothing more than a "Rivalry". You should definetly think about that!

[ April 12, 2002: Message edited by: the_move ]</p>

[the_move]

And don´t come with excuses! <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" />

[Fran]

we needed your last post

thanks


<img src="graemlins/mrt2.gif" border="0" alt="[Mr T]" />

[CHRiZ-77]

[quote]Originally posted by the_move:
KS is a "greedy collector" as far as I know, but I think many of you are of the same caliber and are not allowed to throw any stone, which could be reppeled right back at you.


1.) To Kyukugen Star: Ralph if this is true, please do the refund. This is really not worth it. In fact this is really criminal, since this could be easily taken to the court as a swindle!

2.) To Blaine: Nice to see your old sig back (nice chick)

3.) To Big Bear and Drift King Ex: For that sigs you should be banned temporarily and your sigs should be locked and erased. That´s the same shit I did with Fran and got banned for by Shawn.

4.) Community; this word is based on "Communism"! The fact that this here is based on the American idea of competition and free market makes this here nothing more than a "Rivalry". You should definetly think about that!
<hr></blockquote>

Hey Steven, great that you´re back!!!

1.) Ralph, make the refund. Do yourself this favor.

2.) Yeah, great sig...

3.) So it is, SHAWN!!!

4.) TRUE WORDS STEVEN!!! <img src="graemlins/ohno.gif" border="0" alt="[Oh No]" />

[FeelGood]

[quote]Originally posted by the_move:
<strong>
To Evil Wasabi: It is not "benefit of doubt"! It is called "In dubio pro reo". And now the ones who understand this Latin sentence should leave Chriz_77 alone.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

I will refrain from further accusation, of course, but know you well that there will almost always be doubt and so you must go with your gut.

[the_move]

[quote]Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>we needed your last post

thanks


<img src="graemlins/mrt2.gif" border="0" alt="[Mr T]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Sure, you´ll never get rid of me! Hehe!

Peace! I have no more interest in struggling with you. I got enough other things to worry about! :(

[the_move]

[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>

I will refrain from further accusation, of course, but know you well that there will almost always be doubt and so you must go with your gut.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, but it is neither my nor your job to judge about this!

[CHRiZ-77]

[quote]Originally posted by the_move:
Yes, but it is neither my nor your job to judge about this!<hr></blockquote>

DEFiNATELY NOT!!! :)

[FeelGood]

on the contrary, in saying that it is not my job to judge, you have judged, and we all must judge for ourselves, if not for others, how we will interact with others, how we will deal with them.

Will you deal with KS until he refunds Laurent?

[yes] [no]

if you said yes, you have judged. If you said no, you have judged.

So let's stop this bulshit about "you have no right to judge" or "you shouldn't judge" because neither of us are mindless slaves, bred never to think on our own. We think, and therefore we judge.

I will not do business with Ralph Karels unless the most delicate care is taken. That is my judgement on the matter. As for Chris, I'll leave that as a communication problem with Babelfish, as he later on agreed that Ralph did something really bad.

[CHRiZ-77]

Mods, you can close these thread now!!! :)

[FeelGood]

Why do you want them to close every thread? <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" /> <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />

[CHRiZ-77]

[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
Why do you want them to close every thread? <img src="graemlins/spock.gif" border="0" alt="[Spock]" /> <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> <hr></blockquote>

They´ll never close a thread in the WARROOM!!!

This seems to be a "Neverending-Thread!!!"

[the_move]

[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>on the contrary, in saying that it is not my job to judge, you have judged, and we all must judge for ourselves, if not for others, how we will interact with others, how we will deal with them.

Will you deal with KS until he refunds Laurent?

[yes] [no]

if you said yes, you have judged. If you said no, you have judged.

So let's stop this bulshit about "you have no right to judge" or "you shouldn't judge" because neither of us are mindless slaves, bred never to think on our own. We think, and therefore we judge.

I will not do business with Ralph Karels unless the most delicate care is taken. That is my judgement on the matter. As for Chris, I'll leave that as a communication problem with Babelfish, as he later on agreed that Ralph did something really bad.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually without knowing about this shit I had a deal with Ralph during that time and got not disappointed by him. I know that he is always looking for toooo profitable deals, but a swindle of that outrage is definatly not his style, that´s why I am surprised, indeed!

What I tried to say is you can not say Chriz is involved, because he just bid on an auction! Okay maybe the auction looks fake, but you can not be sure that this was planned by both.

In case of Ralph I agree that he should immediatly refund the money. But I also agree Buhamat should not have started this fuck that early. It is true that Ralph is very busied and often not at home!

This is all very strange!

[ April 12, 2002: Message edited by: the_move ]</p>

[FeelGood]

[quote]Originally posted by CHRiZ-77:
<strong>

They´ll never close a thread in the WARROOM!!!

This seems to be a "Neverending-Thread!!!"</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nah - it was good that it was open this long, as Steven got to post his thoughts without opening a new thread.

[CHRiZ-77]

[quote]Originally posted by the_move:
What I tried to say is you can not say Chriz is involved, because he just bid on an auction! Okay maybe the auction looks fake, but you can not be sure that this was planned by both.
<hr></blockquote>

LiSTEN TO THESE WORDS!
MAN, STEVEN YOU´RE A WiSE GUY! ;)

[FeelGood]

It seemed like Bahamut waited a long time for a response of any kind, and after all his waiting, his patient waiting I might add, Ralph says that he has no responsibility on the issue, and that Bahamut should complain to his father (who's everyone suspects, is none other than an alias for Ralph to scam with). If bahamut waited any longer, it would look like the kind of guy who has an item for a month and then wants to return it for a full refund - no one would go through with it. Bahamut had to act fast, and I think he did the right thing.

Other scammers beware. People don't want to take it up the ass. <img src="graemlins/mrt2.gif" border="0" alt="[Mr T]" />

[the_move]

[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>It seemed like Bahamut waited a long time for a response of any kind, and after all his waiting, his patient waiting I might add, Ralph says that he has no responsibility on the issue, and that Bahamut should complain to his father (who's everyone suspects, is none other than an alias for Ralph to scam with). If bahamut waited any longer, it would look like the kind of guy who has an item for a month and then wants to return it for a full refund - no one would go through with it. Bahamut had to act fast, and I think he did the right thing.

Other scammers beware. People don't want to take it up the ass. <img src="graemlins/mrt2.gif" border="0" alt="[Mr T]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


Right, but in one case Ralph is right. If your not sure about the authenticity of an item and

IF YOU DO NOT GET A RESPONSE, SIMPLY DO NOT BID.

The fact that Bahamut bids on this doubtful auction shows his own greed.

Of course, who would not fall for a MS1 AES US offered for a "nice price"! And that´s definatly not an excuse for your own greed.

Bahamut just wanted to win the auction no matter if it was faked or not. Otherwise somebody else could have had the risk to win a fake or a very cheap MS1.

Of course, this is also not an excuse for Ralph stubborn behavior, but this austion´s outcome is a very good example of people´s greed.

They see MS1, propably US AES, for sale, very cheap and you got their full attention.

"Greed" is a weakness indeed. It make you negligent and careless.

Bahamut for bidding so rashly on this auction and Ralph, who will loose some friends and his reputation if he keeps that stubborn. BTW has he still not refund the money?

[ April 12, 2002: Message edited by: the_move ]</p>

[FeelGood]

If Ralph refunded, we would all know.

By the way, the point of how officially that cart was present has been made. Moreover, no bootlegs are allowed on Ebay. :p

[the_move]

[quote]Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>
By the way, the point of how officially that cart was present has been made. Moreover, no bootlegs are allowed on Ebay. :p </strong><hr></blockquote>

True, but often offered there!

I saw many of them! But they were declared as such so you needn´t mail the seller for info!

[Dampfwalze]

[quote]Originally posted by the_move:
<strong>
Of course, who would not fall for a MS1 AES US offered for a "nice price"! And that´s definatly not an excuse for your own greed.

Bahamut just wanted to win the auction no matter if it was faked or not. Otherwise somebody else could have had the risk to win a fake or a very cheap MS1.
[ April 12, 2002: Message edited by: the_move ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

So following your argumentation Chriz would
be also a greedy person? :eek:

I am not in the position to judge but the least
someone can say about this deal is that it is
shady.

Well the one thing I learned from this story is
that I will not trust anyone anymore.
If I have a future deal with someone I will ask if
his game is:
original
a conversion
NGFreaked Cart
complete
functional
not covered with shit
etc. etc.

PS Is the german NeoGeo meeting still possible?
You wrote something about serious things you had
to handle at the moment, or did I get it wrong?
I wonder.
Hope it will not be canceled.

[BIG BEAR]

http://www.netreach.net/~scop/kyokugen.gif

[CHRiZ-77]

Isn´t everybody sometimes a little bit greedy???

If you´ve found an item on eBay, like Bahamut and i did!
I´ve seen lots of offers, you can´t discover, if it´s real, a conversation or fake.
Most i´ll get more information about it, after i´ve asked the seller.
In these special-case, i haven´t got an answer from the seller, known as KS-Dad.

Just think about it one more time, that item looks like an OG US Metal Slug 1, for around $1600,00!
US MS1 are nearly impossible to find at time. So that item looks like a real cheap deal.
I´ll thank god, that Bahamut have bidden more thant me, even in the last 2 seconds.
I won´t have his probs now, to get his money back.

BTW Ralph refund him the money, even if that guy is Bahamut!!! ;)

[the_move]

[quote]Originally posted by Dampfwalze:
<strong>
Well the one thing I learned from this story is
that I will not trust anyone anymore.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You cant as long as this shitty Price Guide exist and is consulted by anyone, especially those who wanna raise the prices with the help of overdone auctions.

[quote]Originally posted by Dampfwalze:
<strong>

PS Is the german NeoGeo meeting still possible?
You wrote something about serious things you had
to handle at the moment, or did I get it wrong?
I wonder.
Hope it will not be canceled.</strong><hr></blockquote>


It is going to happen!

[bahamut]

[quote] BTW Ralph refund him the money, even if that guy is Bahamut!!! <hr></blockquote>

What's your problem chris ?

[the_move]

[quote]Originally posted by bahamut:
<strong>

What's your problem chris ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

What kind of E-mails have you sent to KS that he is so stubborn now?

[pedu]

[quote]Originally posted by the_move:
<strong>

What kind of E-mails have you sent to KS that he is so stubborn now?</strong><hr></blockquote>

it's not "stubborn", it's a "fraud"
i don't know why you can still argue about that

Pedu

[the_move]

[quote]Originally posted by pedu:
<strong>

it's not "stubborn", it's a "fraud"
i don't know why you can still argue about that

Pedu</strong><hr></blockquote>

Coz I spoke to him personally!

[ April 13, 2002: Message edited by: the_move ]</p>

[Galford Forever]

You spoke to him personally, therefore it's not fraud? That does not follow.

I really don't see how anyone can argue for KS right now. Perhaps we should review the messages that KS wrote in reply to Bahamut? I think it's pretty clear that this constitutes fraud. No matter what excuses you try and come up with, this is morally wrong. And one more little detail.... it's legally wrong. I'm sure this'll all get straightened out the way it should though, whether KS voluntarily returns the money or not.

[the_move]

[quote]Originally posted by Galford Forever:
<strong>You spoke to him personally, therefore it's not fraud? That does not follow.

I really don't see how anyone can argue for KS right now. Perhaps we should review the messages that KS wrote in reply to Bahamut? I think it's pretty clear that this constitutes fraud. No matter what excuses you try and come up with, this is morally wrong. And one more little detail.... it's legally wrong. I'm sure this'll all get straightened out the way it should though, whether KS voluntarily returns the money or not.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I am not argueing for or against anybody, I am not covering anybody, I am not insulting anybody and am neither justify nor defending anything!

In fact I contacted Ralph in order to convince him that the longer he waits till "refunding", the worse it is gonna get for him, since many people will turn their backs on him!

And this can not be the way it ends!

[ April 13, 2002: Message edited by: the_move ]</p>

[BIG BEAR]

http://www.netreach.net/~scop/kyokugen.gif

[Dampfwalze]

[quote]Originally posted by the_move:
<strong>It is going to happen!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Cool! I'm reliefed to hear that.

Now the only thing that can happen ist that
I'll get ill on that week-end.
But I don't hope so.

I am excited to see you all in real and
to get the spanking of my life (KoF, Garou
or in no matter what beat'em up). :D

[Fox1]

bahamut: I hope you get your money back, I've had many people rip me off and I know how it feels...Good Luck

[the_move]

[quote]Originally posted by laurent:
<strong>
the neogeo community proposed to help laurent (1600$/160=10$ for 160 members)but he denied
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey would you also help me?

See we have maybe 2000 members!

Take a quarter of them makes 500 x 10 $ = 5000 $

That would be my Kizuna Encounter!

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />


Just kidding! Keep cool! :cool:

[ April 14, 2002: Message edited by: the_move ]</p>

[CHRiZ-77]

[quote]Originally posted by the_move:

Take a quarter of them makes 500 x 10 $ = 5000 $

That would be my Kizuna Encounter!

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />


Just kidding! Keep cool! :cool:

<hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" /> HEHE! Same for me Steven! ;)