(general) appraisal thread.

DevilRedeemed · Oct 7, 2005

here you can ask about values and scarcity of the games you are interested in or have in your possession.

there's next to nothing available on the subject online so...

here's a couple I'm wondering about at this moment - mostly pcb only (working/original):

TX-1 (old arcade racing game made by Namco for Atari:semi sequel to Pole Position - used 3 screens - 1983/)
Hard Puncher (Konami boxing game)
Out Zone (Toaplan)
Where's Wally (Sega. comes with/uses trackball - see related thread in this section)

sven666 · Oct 7, 2005

outzone is usually around the $100 mark, dunno about the rest?

DevilRedeemed · Oct 7, 2005

sven666 said:
outzone is usually around the $100 mark, dunno about the rest?

cool, cheers. so its dipped of late? I saw in old threads some members selling it 175-200 dollars and coinopexpress has it for a little over 200 dollars. this is why this stuff is confusing to me. lol..

racecar · Oct 7, 2005

...how much is a racing jam pcb goe's for.....i brought it but ..dunno if i over paid :conf:

3xChaos · Oct 7, 2005

It's hard to determine the value of a TX-1 boardset. The reason being is that I've seen working TX-1s and working Speed Buggys (also with 3 screens) sell for $100 to $300. I guess the size of the cabinet makes people not want to collect this.

3xChaos
Michael

DevilRedeemed · Oct 7, 2005

3xChaos said:
It's hard to determine the value of a TX-1 boardset. The reason being is that I've seen working TX-1s and working Speed Buggys (also with 3 screens) sell for $100 to $300. I guess the size of the cabinet makes people not want to collect this.

3xChaos
Michael

thank you for the info man. the board is massive!! one large block of metal.

I picked up some stuff today and should get some more next week.

one of the games I picked up is a japanese game full of mini games called Adventure (I think thats the name) and its by Barko.corp. can't find any info on this game or company. anyone have any idea?

also going to pick up:
Air Inferno (Taito)
Robo Wres 2001 (Sega)
Full Throttle (Taito)
and a couple of others maybe.
anyone know an estimate for these ones?

3xChaos · Oct 7, 2005

Actually I wanted to clarify what I wrote since I just reread it and it sounds like I'm saying working boardsets go for $100 to $300. I meant to say I've seen complete full size TX-1s and Speed Buggys arcade games go for this price. I would love to have one of those machines but considering I have close to 80 arcade games already, I just don't have the room

3xChaos
Michael

3xChaos · Oct 7, 2005

DevilRedeemed said:
one of the games I picked up is a japanese game full of mini games called Adventure (I think thats the name) and its by Barko.corp. can't find any info on this game or company. anyone have any idea?

I never heard of this company either. When you get it posts some pictures since I'm curious to see the game.

It sounds like you come across a lot of unusual board sets where you live. I don't get as lucky for some reason considering how many arcade games there are here in California.

3xChaos
Michael

DevilRedeemed · Oct 7, 2005

3xChaos said:
I never heard of this company either. When you get it posts some pictures since I'm curious to see the game.

It sounds like you come across a lot of unusual board sets where you live. I don't get as lucky for some reason considering how many arcade games there are here in California.

3xChaos
Michael

dude, I got a really weird one. Irem's Battle Bird. board only but works perfectly. some sites consider it a proto. I'm not sure about that.
I've posted about it here:
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6912

3xChaos · Oct 7, 2005

DevilRedeemed said:
dude, I got a really weird one. Irem's Battle Bird. board only but works perfectly. some sites consider it a proto. I'm not sure about that.
I've posted about it here:
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6912

Wow those graphics look too good to be from 1985! Did you see the flyer and the AX-902 System? Very cool. Now if you can only find the machine!

3xChaos
Michael

3xChaos · Oct 7, 2005

DevilRedeemed said:
dude, I got a really weird one. Irem's Battle Bird. board only but works perfectly. some sites consider it a proto. I'm not sure about that.
I've posted about it here:
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6912

You mention this is standard JAMMA but according to the flyer the game uses two 20" monitors to give it the 3-D effect. Are you able to use just one monitor and not get the 3-D effects? I couldn't make out much on the flyer but it sounds like it works similar to how the Nintendo Virtual Boy units worked.

3xChaos
Michael

EDIT: I didn't scroll all the way down and read all the messages in the other forum and didn't see the pictures. I wonder how the 3-D effects work with the two monitors?

DevilRedeemed · Oct 7, 2005

3xChaos said:
Wow those graphics look too good to be from 1985! Did you see the flyer and the AX-902 System? Very cool. Now if you can only find the machine!

3xChaos
Michael

I nose it I nose it. graphics looked quite decent. the cab looked to be insane.
never released from what I've gathered.

DevilRedeemed · Oct 8, 2005

how much does a DBZ2 board usually go for (I know there's one on ebay for 159 dollars but I'm not sure that's realistic price?)?

stuffmonger · Oct 8, 2005

I wonder if it would work properly in one of these > http://www.hortonaviation.com/timetrav/ttpics.html
I've actually seen one of these cabs... and to be honest, it is awesome, and I'd love to own one... maybe you should check into it... the 3d aspect would be sweet for your battle bird if it uses mirrors and stuff like that sega cab.

DevilRedeemed · Oct 8, 2005

I'm kind of doubtful such type of cab would work with this frankly (I've played on one of those btw), as I think the indended effect was akin to Virtual Boy 3D effect. could be wrong though.

LoneSage · Oct 9, 2005

How much do Super Dodge Ball (not the Neo sequel) and Final Fight go for, on average?

3xChaos · Oct 10, 2005

Final Fight is very common so I wouldn't expect you to pay more than $20 for this board. I recall a few years ago 3 different people in one week tried to sell me working ones in a 19" cabinet for $50.

I've bought an entire Super Dodge Ball kit for $50 that had the PCB, joysticks, sideart, manual, etc. This was a steal since I think the boards itself is worth about $50. It's a great head to head game and isn't as common as Final Fight.

3xChaos
Michael

LoneSage · Oct 10, 2005

3xChaos said:
Final Fight is very common so I wouldn't expect you to pay more than $20 for this board. I recall a few years ago 3 different people in one week tried to sell me working ones in a 19" cabinet for $50.

I've bought an entire Super Dodge Ball kit for $50 that had the PCB, joysticks, sideart, manual, etc. This was a steal since I think the boards itself is worth about $50. It's a great head to head game and isn't as common as Final Fight.

3xChaos
Michael

Thanks for the prices; I bought a SDB cab in great condition (had the poster on the side, instructions, etc.) back in '00 for $225, so since this thread popped up I was curious as to what the PCB would cost.

As for Final Fight I always wondered what that would cost; I'd always figure arcade games would sell for more, makes me want to get a SuperGun.

Thanks again

ForeverSublime · Oct 10, 2005

DevilRedeemed said:
cool, cheers. so its dipped of late? I saw in old threads some members selling it 175-200 dollars and coinopexpress has it for a little over 200 dollars. this is why this stuff is confusing to me. lol..

There are too many variables to price arcade PCBs. They are meant for commercial distribution, so sourcing commercial distributors for private ownership just doesn't work because most likely you won't be reselling it to a commercial entity.

The Japanese versions of games can sell for HUGE bucks (500$+ for old/classic pcbs)... but only in Japan (and your identical US version would be worthless to them). If you put that same Japanese board on ebay you'll only get 50$ for it if you're lucky.

There is absolutely NO regulation of prices in the PCB world. Go to one shop and you'll see a board for 25$. Go to another and you'll see the same board for 200$. No exageration. That's the way things go. Lots of arcade owners aren't well informed and will pay for whatever they want - whenever they find it.

You'll only get what people are willing to pay. There are no "dips" and "bulges" in pricing... especially for games like you have that are 15-20 years old.

Edit: I know you're just looking for general appraisals, but... my point is don't bend your brain over large price ranges. Sometimes you get lucky and get a great price. Sometimes you have to pay big bucks for what you want to play.

Tacitus · Oct 11, 2005

3xChaos said:
It's hard to determine the value of a TX-1 boardset. The reason being is that I've seen working TX-1s and working Speed Buggys (also with 3 screens) sell for $100 to $300. I guess the size of the cabinet makes people not want to collect this.

3xChaos
Michael

the only driving game that fetches any sort of price is Daytona for exactly this reason. Driving cabs are not collected or very desirable because of their size, unwieldliness (is that a word?) and incredibly hard to replace parts. Most cabs at auction go for under $200, I've seen some go for less that $75. It's very hard to get rid of them.

Same goes for Bemani games.

3xChaos · Oct 11, 2005

Yes I'm totally aware of this since I've been buying games for almost 15 years now. There are a couple of large cabinets that don't fit the norm and are highly collectable. I've mentioned that the environmental Discs of TRON in a couple of other of my posts as being sought after. This has got to be one of the heaviest cabinets around! I'm guessing it weighs close to 700 pounds (317.5 kg). I've moved driving cabinets that were lighter than this. Try finding one of these games for under $2000.

I also agree with ForeverSublime that PCB prices are very uncertain and there isn't any rhyme or reason as to what they go for sometimes. I also noticed that geography can also factor into the price. Overall we can estimate what we know about the production numbers and known prices that have sold on ebay, arcade auctions and various newsgroups/forums.

3xChaos
Michael

Tacitus · Oct 11, 2005

3xChaos said:
Yes I'm totally aware of this since I've been buying games for almost 15 years now.

There's no need for the experience bragging, man. Relax. You're on one message board where saying something like that is not only not that impressive, it doesn't endear you to others.

There are a couple of large cabinets that don't fit the norm and are highly collectable. I've mentioned that the environmental Discs of TRON in a couple of other of my posts as being sought after. This has got to be one of the heaviest cabinets around! I'm guessing it weighs close to 700 pounds (317.5 kg). I've moved driving cabinets that were lighter than this. Try finding one of these games for under $2000.

You're pointing out an exception and *not* the norm. I also thought we were talking about driving games. Discs of Tron on top of being relatively obscure these days had all the custom graphics and design on it (blacklight.... stenciling... etc).. is not a driving game.

HOWEVER!!! For every discs of tron, I give you Arctic Thunder, Road Riot, Ivan Stewart and Virtua Racer.. games which are lucky to break $100 at SuperAuctions because no one wants to cart them out. Let's face it.. most driving games are absolute garbage.

BIG · Oct 11, 2005

There aren't any set prices for ANYTHING,period.

A PCB can cost $20 today and jump up to $100 tomorrow. It all depends on the market demand.

B-

DevilRedeemed · Oct 11, 2005

excellent stuff. thank you people. I was just wondering since I intend (not certain though), to eventually put together a small online store that deals in PCBs and I wanted to be realistic with pricing.

I know what you mean about japanese prices ForeverSublime. I have, for instance, a working sega Robo Wres 2001 (japanese) - the price in japan seems to be between 200-240 dollars - but surely, unless I find a way of selling it 'back' to the country of origin - I would be looking to selling it for 80/90 dollars max?
it's all about supply and demand, will have to do some ebay tallying up (see how much auctions end at etc.).
just want to see if it is sustainable, because fun it certainly will be. not about making a ton of money, just a profit margin that would allow for things to progress.

I thought I'd throw my cards on the table.

DevilRedeemed · Oct 11, 2005

aight from what I've seen though, there are games that are more on demand than others and they stand to maintain their value better (or atleast may always be amongst the most expensive in relation others), something like Ghouls and Ghosts for instance, which is valued at 300 dollars these days roughly. what dictates this? I mean ok, you can potentially find it for 25 bucks - but why would someone price it that way and the same person price another capcom classic say at 100? what I'm trying to say is - beyond supply and demand, (maybe there's no such thing as beyond supply and demand here but..), how does the seller justify the pricing? is it what it sells for on ebay that he bases it on? or hype? or rarity?

I see shooters are on average the most expensive, that's definetly a current trend, but maybe also related to the fact that it all started with space invaders, thus the shooter is the truest arcade game and strongest genre.

whatever, I'm kind of babling now, but I'm still not certain why some games go for 20 bucks and some others 200, from the same seller. no real need to respond to this post, maybe I should have just abreviated to: +1.

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