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dogtoy
09-10-2005, 09:04 PM
OK not a tech question but a comparison for interested parties.

I have heard good things about both these sticks, and I assumed they were basically equivalent because they were released at about the same time and look basically the same ...NOT TRUE!!! They should have named the PS the Fighting Stick P.O.S. (Piece of S---).

I already had an SS converted to neo for my SG when I bought my PS. I like the select button for coin/select(my SS uses a turbo switch) so I bought a PS for a 2nd controller.

When I got it I first noticed the buttons, the action felt VERY different, and the entire control felt very light. I opened it up, and here are the differences:

SS - vs- PS

Metal top --- Plastic top
real switches in buttons --- rubber contact completes circuit on board (like in a digital psx pad, nes pad, etc.)
extra contacts for each button on pcb (easy to rewire for other applications) -- extra contacts covered with white non-conductive coating (not easy to rewire)
two sided button pcb (easy for wiring) -- pcb contact only on top side (must remove pcb to work on)

Basically the PS feels and looks like it was much cheaper to manufacture, and the quality suffers because of it. I will keep the PS, but i'll be on the lookout for another SS to use instead.

Q's? Comments?

cheers,
-DT

HellioN
09-11-2005, 12:36 AM
You should be able to gut the PS stick, install sanwa parts and go from there.

dogtoy
09-11-2005, 01:35 PM
What size of sanwa button would these holes be?

For now I'm probably just going to clean it well and convert it as-is. I was just blown away by how much different the PS and SS are.

cheers,
-DT

HellioN
09-11-2005, 04:40 PM
Should be 30mm.

zapatistab
09-12-2005, 10:40 AM
Hori made a PS stick with a metal top, but they are hard to find. Whenever I see them on Ebay, people must want it badly because they always sell for more than they probably should.

If you decide to add Sanwa buttons to your PS Hori stick, I recommend using the Snap-In type buttons. The Screw-In buttons are way too tight and it's a pain in the butt.

J0e Musashi
09-12-2005, 10:41 AM
PS has a plastic top? mine is deffo metal. It has stock Siemitsu buttons in it too. The best stick ever IMO.

zapatistab
09-12-2005, 11:15 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-WAY-Hori-Fighting-ARCADE-Stick-FOR-PS-PlayStation_W0QQitemZ8217034378QQcategoryZ21193QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Here is one that is actually going cheap. But it ends in about an hour.

J0e Musashi
09-12-2005, 11:19 AM
Damnit. I've been after a second one of these for ages now. If only they shipped to the UK I'd snap that up.

beh3moth
09-12-2005, 12:21 PM
I'm sure my SS Hori stick has a plastic top and those crummy buttons too :(

Weird

J0e Musashi
09-12-2005, 12:27 PM
So is there two versions of each of them?

beh3moth
09-12-2005, 12:30 PM
I dunno, I guess so, There must me some kind of 'Limited Run' which has superior parts.

My SS Hori stick has a sanwa stick, but the buttons are those rubber based 'pad' type with a solid top.

the base is metal, but I am very sure the top is plastic. Might be worth picking up some sanwa buttons.

zapatistab
09-12-2005, 01:05 PM
So is there two versions of each of them?

Yes, but Hori made two different styles with a metal top. The other version w/metal top is shaped like the current Hori Soul Caliber stick. But it's black with colored buttons, like the square version. I have't seen that version around in a while.

Found a link:http://nfg.2y.net/sales/html/EpAulkkuuEdrsFhvWK.html

beh3moth
09-12-2005, 05:46 PM
OK, got home, dug out my 'Fighting Stick SS', Opened it up, and it does have the crummy 'pad' style buttons, but they pop out just like sanwa clip in buttons so it should be very easy to convert it.

The model number of my stick (with plastic top) is HSS-07

dogtoy
09-13-2005, 02:02 PM
OK, got home, dug out my 'Fighting Stick SS', Opened it up, and it does have the crummy 'pad' style buttons, but they pop out just like sanwa clip in buttons so it should be very easy to convert it.

The model number of my stick (with plastic top) is HSS-07

Uh...yeah. My SS with the metal top and switch buttons is model number HSS-07 as well.

So I guess I was wrong about PS vs SS, it's actually crappy SS vs good SS and crappy PS vs good PS.

I've never seen the SS with a plastic top and fake switches, got any pics? At least the PS I got was dirt cheap.

The other variety of Hori PS with the metal top is the Hori "Real Arcade PS" which is a bit different from the "Fighting Stick PS" but basically they are the same.

I wonder why Hori abruptly turned the SS and PS from kick-ass pieces of hardware to about what I would expect from a $13 "arcade stick" from gamestop (aka a piece of crap).

cheers,
-DT

beh3moth
09-13-2005, 02:25 PM
Yeah here you go.

Its not crap, it just needs 'slight modification' hehehe then it will be a great stick!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y190/beh3moth/03092005.jpg

HellioN
09-13-2005, 02:30 PM
Yeah here you go.

Its not crap, it just needs 'slight modification' hehehe then it will be a great stick!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y190/beh3moth/03092005.jpg
Did you make that box for the blast city panel yourself?
I have A astro city one I have been wanting to do up like that.

beh3moth
09-13-2005, 02:34 PM
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123674&referrerid=10721

Its a supergun :)

2Dfan
09-13-2005, 03:43 PM
So let me get this straight: there are 3 different PS versions of this stick?

1. crappy plastic, fake buttons
2. metal ball stick, metal casing
3. metal ball stick, shaped like the soul calibur one.

Does anyone know how much the metal stick weighs? I'm looking for another PS2 stick, since I didn't like my HRAP (sold it).

zapatistab
09-13-2005, 03:49 PM
So let me get this straight: there are 3 different PS versions of this stick?

1. crappy plastic, fake buttons
2. metal ball stick, metal casing
3. metal ball stick, shaped like the soul calibur one.

Does anyone know how much the metal stick weighs? I'm looking for another PS2 stick, since I didn't like my HRAP (sold it).

Ebay is your best bet. They usually sell between $15-$50. Or ask in the market place. Someone might have one. I have a Hori PS stick with White Sanwa buttons and new microswtiches (taken from a Sanwa stick PCB) that I never use, but unfortunately it's the plastic version.

2Dfan
09-13-2005, 05:03 PM
Here's a pic of the PS version, anyone got a clue which version this is? Does the metal version have a black ball?

http://members.home.nl/svinken/horistick.jpg

zapatistab
09-13-2005, 05:16 PM
Here's a pic of the PS version, anyone got a clue which version this is? Does the metal version have a black ball?

http://members.home.nl/svinken/horistick.jpg

Yes, that's the plastic version. I don't think the ball top matters, becasue the one I have came with a black ball top.

2Dfan
09-14-2005, 09:20 AM
Yes, that's the plastic version. I don't think the ball top matters, becasue the one I have came with a black ball top.

ok thanks, so what are the main differences between the plastic and metal ones? Just the buttons and stick or the casing too?

J0e Musashi
09-14-2005, 09:29 AM
My PS has the metal top and came with a grey ball top. The metal top stick weighs quite a lot. It's pretty sturdy.

Both the metal top and the plastic top Hori Fighting Stick PS are the first version released in 1994.
The version shaped like the Soul Caliber stick is the Hori Fighting Stick PS 2 released 2004.

J0e Musashi
09-14-2005, 09:39 AM
ok thanks, so what are the main differences between the plastic and metal ones? Just the buttons and stick or the casing too?

lol, one is metal, the other is plastic.....
The actual parts inside are the same. Its just the the plastic version buttons are not switched.

2Dfan
09-14-2005, 09:49 AM
ok...I'm still a little confused...by "top" do you mean the ball of the stick is metal or the top of the casing is metal??? :conf:

J0e Musashi
09-14-2005, 09:54 AM
Top of the casing, where it says Hori and Fighting Stick PS. All other parts are identical, apart from the workings of the buttons. A metal ball, now that would rock.

beh3moth
09-14-2005, 10:59 AM
Sanwa type sticks all have a 'standard' type screw thread, so I bet it would be pretty easy to make up some custom ball tops.

Imagine, metal, glass, rubber even transparent with something embedded inside (like a razorblade). Now that would be worth having!

What a cool business idea, someone could make some money..... :mr_t:

zapatistab
09-14-2005, 12:23 PM
Sanwa type sticks all have a 'standard' type screw thread, so I bet it would be pretty easy to make up some custom ball tops.

Imagine, metal, glass, rubber even transparent with something embedded inside (like a razorblade). Now that would be worth having!

What a cool business idea, someone could make some money..... :mr_t:

I believe Sanwa makes transparent balls, an other member in another thread mentioned that Rod at HimuraGames sent him some transparent balltops.http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128863

Also you can get BallTop shafts for Happ sticks. http://www.groovygamegear.com/cgi/surfshop/shop.cgi?ud=NDNROUQ2VUExTSUlJSUlJTExMjY3MTUyNTAA&storeid=1&cols=1&categories=0029&&c=detail.htm&itemid=VBALL01

You can choose different types of Balltops

dogtoy
09-14-2005, 01:24 PM
The version shaped like the Soul Caliber stick is the Hori Fighting Stick PS 2 released 2004.

There was one before the Fighting Stick 2 (for ps2) that had this shape(soul calibur esque), with metal top, switched buttons for ps1. That would be the Hori Real Arcade PS which is not technically a "Hori Fighting Stick". Not sure of the release date. I'm pretty sure it is very uncommon outside of japan.

cheers,
-DT

J0e Musashi
09-17-2005, 08:51 AM
So let me just get this straight. Sanwa buttons will fit straight into this thing without no modification? I know that the hole needs to be made bigger to accomodate a Seimitsu stick, but I'm unsure about the buttons.

Thanx for the help BTW.

2Dfan
09-17-2005, 02:32 PM
Question for owners of the hori stick, what kinda restrictor gate does it use? Square or octagon? Round would be even better....

So is it easy to mod this with real Sanwa sticks/buttons? Lot of soldering needed?

dogtoy
09-18-2005, 04:13 PM
Question for owners of the hori stick, what kinda restrictor gate does it use? Square or octagon? Round would be even better....

So is it easy to mod this with real Sanwa sticks/buttons? Lot of soldering needed?

Square restrictor.

Buttons will just pop in (30mm). If you have one that already has switches you will need to desolder the switches from the board, in the case of non-microswitch buttons, just unscrew the board beneath and pop the buttons out with a flat screwdriver. Then you can solder to new switches as usual.

As far as replacing the stick? I dunno, anyone here tried it?

I'm going to have to replace my non-microswitch buttons (or clean them really well) I think some kid spilled kool-aid in my controller before I got it. :oh_no:


cheers,
-DT

*edit* - I've been looking at sanwa and seimitsu sticks, the screw layout looks identical, just order it without a mounting plate, or remove the mounting plate. Joe musashi might have mentioned something about the stick hole being too small earlier in the thread? Drill will quickly remedy that.

zapatistab
09-19-2005, 11:07 AM
Square restrictor.

Buttons will just pop in (30mm). If you have one that already has switches you will need to desolder the switches from the board, in the case of non-microswitch buttons, just unscrew the board beneath and pop the buttons out with a flat screwdriver. Then you can solder to new switches as usual.

As far as replacing the stick? I dunno, anyone here tried it?

I'm going to have to replace my non-microswitch buttons (or clean them really well) I think some kid spilled kool-aid in my controller before I got it. :oh_no:


cheers,
-DT

*edit* - I've been looking at sanwa and seimitsu sticks, the screw layout looks identical, just order it without a mounting plate, or remove the mounting plate. Joe musashi might have mentioned something about the stick hole being too small earlier in the thread? Drill will quickly remedy that.

If your going to put a Sanwa stick into a PS Hori stick, use a Hori stick with the metal plate. That way you can remove the metal plate and hide the screws underneath it. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ben_krismonte@sbcglobal.net/detail?.dir=/bd55&.dnm=94ba.jpg&.src=ph
Unless someone can figure it out, Sanwa sticks do not line up with the stock Hori sticks. Shave the mounts underneath the Stock Hori stick and drill your own holes. Also use flat head screws so it doesn't obstruct with the metal plate when you put it back.

One more thing, yes Sanwa buttons fit perfectly into Hori sticks. Use the snap-in type, because the screw-in type are a pain in the butt. The threads are too close together and there hard to tighten.

2Dfan
09-19-2005, 02:48 PM
If your going to put a Sanwa stick into a PS Hori stick, use a Hori stick with the metal plate. That way you can remove the metal plate and hide the screws underneath it. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ben_krismonte@sbcglobal.net/detail?.dir=/bd55&.dnm=94ba.jpg&.src=ph
Unless someone can figure it out, Sanwa sticks do not line up with the stock Hori sticks. Shave the mounts underneath the Stock Hori stick and drill your own holes. Also use flat head screws so it doesn't obstruct with the metal plate when you put it back.

One more thing, yes Sanwa buttons fit perfectly into Hori sticks. Use the snap-in type, because the screw-in type are a pain in the butt. The threads are too close together and there hard to tighten.

Woah, that looks really nice. Too bad I can't solder for shit myself....

blank964
12-02-2014, 12:52 PM
I know this is an old thread, but I recently bought one the HSS-007 from Japan. I noticed it has some differences to these links

http://hibachicandy.tumblr.com/post/70204101194/the-stock-joystick-in-the-hori-fighting-stick-ss
http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=5305

There are quite a few differences. There is only one PCB. The turbo/start board is brown and just has some wired connections to the main pcb. The switches appear to be real or imitation seimitsu. Their contacts are soldered directly to the pcb. To remove the switch would require desoldering the pcb from what I can tell. I can't confirm they are microswitched as I don't know what a non-microswitched switch looks like. The last bit is that cord appears to be a genuine japanese sega saturn cord ripped from a japanese controller. You can easily spot this version by the grey cord and genuine SEGA printed on plug like this: http://segaretro.org/images/archive/e/e8/20140826155247%21Saturn_HSS-0101-1.png

Has anyone seen this one before? It's awesome for shmups. The short throw is great too.

blank964
12-02-2014, 12:57 PM
I know this is an old thread, but I recently bought one the HSS-007 from Japan. I noticed it has some differences to these links

http://hibachicandy.tumblr.com/post/70204101194/the-stock-joystick-in-the-hori-fighting-stick-ss
http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=5305

There are quite a few differences. There is only one PCB. The turbo/start board is brown and just has some wired connections to the main pcb. The switches appear to be real or imitation seimitsu. Their contacts are soldered directly to the pcb. To remove the switch would require desoldering the pcb from what I can tell. I can't confirm they are microswitched as I don't know what a non-microswitched switch looks like. The last bit is that cord appears to be a genuine japanese sega saturn cord ripped from a japanese controller. You can easily spot this version by the grey cord and genuine SEGA printed on plug like this: http://segaretro.org/images/archive/e/e8/20140826155247%21Saturn_HSS-0101-1.png

Has anyone seen this one before? It's awesome for shmups. The short throw is great too.

I couldn't find the edit button so I just quoted. Admins can fix this if I made a mistake

Here is what it looks like

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8665/15931322902_20ffb8393b_n.jpg

Rot
12-02-2014, 04:12 PM
You can't edit after about 30 minutes...

...Silly noob... I still can't believe you bumped a 9 year old thread....

I moved this thread... and let's hope the lads will play ball...

xROTx

PS. FFS.... just make a new thread...

GohanX
12-02-2014, 05:31 PM
He actually has relevant information though. I'll allow it.

skate323k137
12-02-2014, 05:38 PM
He actually has relevant information though. I'll allow it.

Yeah I've never seen one with that PCB layout.

I also feel like I should publicly apologize for my quality of work in that racketboy thread. Shrink tube is your friend, it wasn't my friend at the time :lolz: