Can someone please explain the Capcom A-B-C-D-F boards?

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How many boards does it take to get one game running? I see some of the boards are universal, kinda like the MVS right? There are CPS1, CPS2, and CPS3 right? How many boards are there on each of these systems? I hear about the boards suiciding... What board(s) do you fix when this happens? Is it worth it to buy suicided boards and fix them yourself?

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gamejunkie said:
How many boards does it take to get one game running? I see some of the boards are universal, kinda like the MVS right? There are CPS1, CPS2, and CPS3 right? How many boards are there on each of these systems? I hear about the boards suiciding... What board(s) do you fix when this happens? Is it worth it to buy suicided boards and fix them yourself?

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Your question is confusing.

CPS 1 is a three pcb combo and all three of these boards are sold together 99.9 % of the time. CPS 1 with Q sound is still basically CPS 1 with a additional pcb added for the Q sound, all these pcb have to be sold together. Some CPS 1 and all 4 CPS 1 Q sound board can die from the battery problem but it not a problem to repair these board if your know a LITTLE about electronics.

CPS 2 boards come as a A board ( motherboard ) and B board 9 ( Game board )
these are always usually sold seperately. Much like mvs you change game by changing catridge. All these boards have batteries but thanks to RAZ all these boards can be restored. CPS 2 is capcom most popular hardware.

Cps 3 is motherboard/cd drive combo, all components are sold together. These games also have batteries but there no happy ending this time because as of now once the battery dies the game will stay dead. There no hack to bring it back and capcom coin-op no longer exist to repair them.
 
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how do you provent the cps3 from dying......shit i just pick up SF 2nd impact :conf:
 
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how do you provent the cps3 from dying......shit i just pick up SF 2nd impact :conf:
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you have to change the battery while having the game powered up :oh_no:
 
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Your question is confusing.
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lol, Thanks for helping though. I knew absolutely zero about these systems, just enought to know they existed.

Why does Capcom insist on building games that suicide?

I've heard there are certain region CPS2 A and B boards that don't work together, is this true?

I've never seen one of these CPS2 setups in person... Would it be possible to consolize one?
 
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-Why does Capcom insist on building games that suicide?

That's protection against bootlegs, and it worked damn well. On the end that's what killed the MVS, although ironically MVS games are inmortal

-I've heard there are certain region CPS2 A and B boards that don't work together, is this true?

Yes. English and Japanese games are interchangeable, but Asian are not. There are other regions too

-I've never seen one of these CPS2 setups in person... Would it be possible to consolize one?

Yes, it is possible but it is quite hard and is not as worthy as with MVS

Check www.cps2shock.com for more info on all this
 
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At times I thank CAPCOM for what they did. It is much easier to buy a board knowing that it isn't possible to get a bootleg (well...CPS2 has a problem now). Remember, they were in the ARCADE business, not home use, they don't give a fuck about you and you shouldn't EXPECT them to.

There are two guides to changing the CPS3 battery.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/dangspot/
http://membres.lycos.fr/baltes/web/battery_cps3.htm

Note there are two types of Security Carts.

Newer Games (3rd Strike, JoJo's) do NOT have a ground wire.
Older Games (GIANT ATTACK, Warzard, New Generation) DO have a ground wire.

If the ground wire is disconnected you will kill the cart.
 
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At times I thank CAPCOM for what they did. It is much easier to buy a board knowing that it isn't possible to get a bootleg (well...CPS2 has a problem now).
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Uh I have never seen a bootleg cps2 board. Even after they were cracked no one had interest in bootlegging games that were 10 plus years old. Even the newest cps2 games were old when the encryption was cracked. I would not go as far as too say capcom would tell private home collectors of arcade equipment to go screw themslves, its just that your not suppose to own a commercial product. If there is anyone who capcom screwed over it has to be the operators. I mean thats fucked up, the operator has a product that capcom designed to fail just waiting to fail and the people responsible for it don't even offer repairs anymore.
 
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http://cps2shock.retrogames.com/

Read the second news post down.

"CPS-2 bootleg warning"

A few members at shmups.com got Bootleg PROGEAR boards.

Also, CAPCOM JP will still revive JP Carts. It is not like anywhere else even matters concerning Arcade business. Plus, whenever the system is powered the battery is never used. These Arcade Operators have these games running almost 24/7. IF their boards actually died they have surely made a profit off of them by now.
 
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From CPS-2 Shock:

Green : Japan
Blue : U.S.A. and Europe
Orange : South America
Grey : Asia
Yellow : All (Rent version)
Black : CPS-2 Single board set

What about this Orange board? What does it work with? Does it matter which B board I get to start out with?

Edit: "A board" is the motherboard, correct? Does it matter which region?
 
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Valgar said:
http://cps2shock.retrogames.com/

Read the second news post down.

"CPS-2 bootleg warning"

A few members at shmups.com got Bootleg PROGEAR boards.

Also, CAPCOM JP will still revive JP Carts. It is not like anywhere else even matters concerning Arcade business. Plus, whenever the system is powered the battery is never used. These Arcade Operators have these games running almost 24/7. IF their boards actually died they have surely made a profit off of them by now.
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Holy WTF

It would fiqure they would boot the only game on cps 2 that still demands a high resale value. Lets face it these boots are aimed directly at collectors, operators aren't looking to buy yesturday video games. And since collector are know to have more dollars than sense its very profitable. I damn glad I bought all my cps 2 games before this shit went down. I bet you they are using super street fighters 2 boards for the sacrifice conversion

I only suspicious about two of my boards now, my super sf2x and sfa2 boards are actually made up of two pcb, anyone out there has something like this.

Yeah I know capcom jap coin-op is still around. I can't believe capcom coin-op USA closed, how the hell does the biggest video game producer in north america just close their arcade division. About operators and thier boards, its shouldn't matter if they made profit off it before it died. If you buy something from someone it shouldn't be intentionally designed to fail.
 
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gamejunkie said:
From CPS-2 Shock:

Green : Japan
Blue : U.S.A. and Europe
Orange : South America
Grey : Asia
Yellow : All (Rent version)
Black : CPS-2 Single board set

What about this Orange board? What does it work with? Does it matter which B board I get to start out with?

Edit: "A board" is the motherboard, correct? Does it matter which region?
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quote from cps2shock...actually the paragraph RIGHT BELOW what you cut and pasted, lol...

"Grey and Orange game boards require the main 'A' board of matching color to work. Green and Blue boards are totally interchangeable meaning Green game boards will work on a Blue 'A' board and visa versa. A Yellow case shows a game is the rent version. These were made to fit 'A' boards as required and were used to entice operators to buy the game. "

Yes, the A board matters. The BLUE US B boards and GREEN japan B boards will not play on an ASIA or SOUTH AMERICA A board. Blue and green B boards physically can not plug into the same A board as a GREY B board and most likely the Orange A board either, but I haven't owned one to know for sure. I do have US, Japan, and Asia B boards and US and Asia A boards though. The BLUE AND GREEN B boards are interchangable ONLY on japan and USA A boards. I have Asia and USA because well, Grey B boards are cheaper :)
 
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quote from cps2shock...actually the paragraph RIGHT BELOW what you cut and pasted, lol...

"Grey and Orange game boards require the main 'A' board of matching color to work. Green and Blue boards are totally interchangeable meaning Green game boards will work on a Blue 'A' board and visa versa. A Yellow case shows a game is the rent version. These were made to fit 'A' boards as required and were used to entice operators to buy the game. "

Yes, the A board matters. The BLUE US B boards and GREEN japan B boards will not play on an ASIA or SOUTH AMERICA A board. Blue and green B boards physically can not plug into the same A board as a GREY B board and most likely the Orange A board either, but I haven't owned one to know for sure. I do have US, Japan, and Asia B boards and US and Asia A boards though. The BLUE AND GREEN B boards are interchangable ONLY on japan and USA A boards. I have Asia and USA because well, Grey B boards are cheaper :)
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Hey thanks for the reply, I've been awake for awhile. lol

I like the idea of cheaper boards. How does the language work on these. Is there a way to get the games to play in english? It's not that much of a problem, just interested.

I'm guessing Dungeons and Dragons boards are pretty expensive...?
 
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Hey thanks for the reply, I've been awake for awhile. lol

I like the idea of cheaper boards. How does the language work on these. Is there a way to get the games to play in english? It's not that much of a problem, just interested.

I'm guessing Dungeons and Dragons boards are pretty expensive...?
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I think raz phoenix hack makes cps2 boards immortal and multiregional, just ask him. A factory stock cps 2 board language can not be change. A green jap board is japanese in language although super sf2x is a execption to this rule. A blue board will only be english optional. Expensive varies from person to person. A blue D & D 1 will run from $100 to $130, got mines for $120 with A-board. A blue D & D 2 will run $110 to $160, got mine for $160 from arcade shock.
 
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Valgar said:
A few members at shmups.com got Bootleg PROGEAR boards.
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Our fellow neo-geo.com member Kristian Meller got screwed with a progear bootleg as well iirc.
 
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Damn. But your asking to get scammed if you buy a blue version because only a handfull where even produced right. Does the case even have the game sticker on it.

Any other cps 2 games bootlegged. By the way Grey wolf I remember you posted you had a super sf2x. Can you tell me how many pcb are in your copy. Mines has 2. The primary b board and on top of that is another pcb with eproms on it.
 
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Any other cps 2 games bootlegged. By the way Grey wolf I remember you posted you had a super sf2x. Can you tell me how many pcb are in your copy. Mines has 2. The primary b board and on top of that is another pcb with eproms on it.
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I don't know for sure if any other CPS-2 games have been bootlegged yet, BUT Cosmicco (where those Progear boots originated from) had a few SF2 Anniversary Edition boards marked with asterixes in one of their latest pricelists (an asterix usually denotes a bootleg), anybody know more about that?

Here's a picture of my (phoenixed) Super Street Fighter 2X B board:

 
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Thanks man that exactly how my super sf2x and also SFA2 looks, I was paranoid there for a minute seeing how I bought my Super SF2X from arcadegod. Seeing how very few cps2 games are worthless to the point where you would voluntarily sacrifice them I bet you all these boards were ssf2 originally or maybe a marvel super hero.Who phoenixed it raz personally or did you buy the rom and burn it yourself? Then again I believe you and raz are both in Europe if my memory is right
 
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Who phoenixed it raz personally or did you buy the rom and burn it yourself? Then again I believe you and raz are both in Europe if my memory is right
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Raz phoenixed them personally, for that he had me remove the eproms from their sockets and send them to him. Very quick turnaround time I might add. :)

And yes, both me and Raz are located in Europe.
 
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But thanks to these bootlegger now every phoenixed board will be seen as a bootleg even if it is in fact the same game it was when it came out of the factory. So in other words the resale value of a phoenixed board might actually be less then one still running on a battery when up until now it was the opposite.
 
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