Attention: Sony TV owners:service mode, tweak like a VGA monitor.

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I thought I would make a post of a kick-ass discovery on Sony TVs I found.

Most Sony Trinitron/WEGA TVs have a service mode that can alter the verticle, horizontal size, as well as positions, brightness range, sharpness range, pincussion and hell just about everything you can do with your picture. It varies depending on what model TV you have but check this link out: http://myweb.accessus.net/~090/sonyadj.html

This was something that pissed me off about my Sony Trinitron 24". The video display for my NES and Genesis was always a little to the right about an inch and didn't take up the whole screen, my PS2, X-box was centered + perfect and my NeoGeo was to the left + somewhat oversized in component video. I guess the screen centering standard changes thanks to idiots tweaking screen adjustments to what they think is right. Now there is no real standard for all generations combined on video outputs. So I think all TVs seem to have this problem.

So if you have a somewhat newer TV, type in your company and type in service mode or calibrate TV. I am sure Sony isn't the only company that has these service modes.
 
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I also need to say: Be careful with what you set sometimes. You really can't do any harm unless you don't understand the menu navigation at all. Also if you forget what some of the original values for settings are on something that can totally alter the picture.
 
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SNKNostalgia said:
I thought I would make a post of a kick-ass discovery on Sony TVs I found.

Most Sony Trinitron/WEGA TVs have a service mode that can alter the verticle, horizontal size, as well as positions, brightness range, sharpness range, pincussion and hell just about everything you can do with your picture. It varies depending on what model TV you have but check this link out: http://myweb.accessus.net/~090/sonyadj.html

This was something that pissed me off about my Sony Trinitron 24". The video display for my NES and Genesis was always a little to the right about an inch and didn't take up the whole screen, my PS2, X-box was centered + perfect and my NeoGeo was to the left + somewhat oversized in component video. I guess the screen centering standard changes thanks to idiots tweaking screen adjustments to what they think is right. Now there is no real standard for all generations combined on video outputs. So I think all TVs seem to have this problem.

So if you have a somewhat newer TV, type in your company and type in service mode or calibrate TV. I am sure Sony isn't the only company that has these service modes.
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The NES's picture is actually not off center. The majority of NES games use that black bar on the left as a sort of screen buffer so that objects that scroll from left to right dont just pop in. The games are programmed that way. Yes it's annoying though.
 
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..i found that out last year :mr_t: . i actually took the time to read the manual :buttrock:
 
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ki_atsushi said:
The NES's picture is actually not off center. The majority of NES games use that black bar on the left as a sort of screen buffer so that objects that scroll from left to right dont just pop in. The games are programmed that way. Yes it's annoying though.
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That is true, but it was centered even more to the right. Example Ninja Gaiden 1, you will see blue colors to the left side of the screen past the black part on the story scenes (they also are on the right). Mega man games are perfect examples of the screen buffer bar. Whats funny is that you can still move that off of the screen a little so it doesn't look too bad.
 
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Just bumping this up one last time in case no one has read the original post. If you are a best video signal junkie like me, then check it.
 
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Yea, most newer TV's have a service menu.

What I really wonder is if there are any set values to get the picture perfect. I spent hours and hours to get mine to look right.
 
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The shop I got my TV from 5 years ago told me the code, although my newer Sony TV (32FQ70U) has fewer options than my older 28FQ75.
 
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SNKNostalgia said:
Just bumping this up one last time in case no one has read the original post. If you are a best video signal junkie like me, then check it.
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It doesn't work on my Sony:help:

Ohh snap, now I remember why it doesn't work. It's because, being the best video signal junkie I am, I purchase a Sony RGB/VGA monitor.

Silly me :mr_t:
 
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Yea, most newer TV's have a service menu.

What I really wonder is if there are any set values to get the picture perfect. I spent hours and hours to get mine to look right.
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Yeah, I noticed that also. It seems impossible to get the geometry of the picture perfect. So it is usually just better to stretch the screen a little bit so the borders cut off the bad parts.

Oh well, atleast something can be done about it overall. It really annoyed me how you could only see half the face of the character icon on KOF 98 1st player on my TV with default factory settings. It would have just been better if TV manufacturers used video calibration settings like most all PC monitors use.
 
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That is true, but it was centered even more to the right. Example Ninja Gaiden 1, you will see blue colors to the left side of the screen past the black part on the story scenes (they also are on the right). Mega man games are perfect examples of the screen buffer bar. Whats funny is that you can still move that off of the screen a little so it doesn't look too bad.
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Ah, I see. Then it is time for a nice screen adjustment! :buttrock:

BTW, I looked up my tv, a 27" Emerson flat tube. I can't find any info about a service menu for this one. I know, it's a cheap brand but the picture quality is very good.

There is one flaw however, which is why I need a monitor adjustment. The right side of the tube is distorted slightly. It is most noticable when playing 2D games (i'e. Neo Geo). Everything shrinks a little when travelling off of the right side of the screen. Can anyone help me find out how to adjust this if possible?
 
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shinhed said:
It doesn't work on my Sony:help:

Ohh snap, now I remember why it doesn't work. It's because, being the best video signal junkie I am, I purchase a Sony RGB/VGA monitor.

Silly me :mr_t:
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LOL, by the way what model is yours.
 
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shinhed said:
It doesn't work on my Sony:help:

Ohh snap, now I remember why it doesn't work. It's because, being the best video signal junkie I am, I purchase a Sony RGB/VGA monitor.

Silly me :mr_t:
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I take it you live in a PAL friendly enviroment? Well living in the US we don't get Scart RGB which does suck, but not as much as the PAL video signal overall.

Reduced size screens on many game systems (bordering around the screen).
50hz instead of 60hz, not a whole lot of difference but enough to notice if you ask me.

So it is either NTSC better signal type, or PAL better video connection type. Atleast now there is component video and also one good trick is to buy a TV that is designed to take VGA inputs. Just buy a X-RGB 2 or 2+
 
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Thats the thing, I looked all over E-bay and was thinking that most were either for special medical equipment or were the wrong type of RGB (like VGA for example). Plus I really couldn't find any bigger than 19".
 
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Yeah, the medical display versions should work a charm and the main difference between them and the studio monitor counterparts (also great) are the white casing and possible bodily secretions on them. :oh_no:
 
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Yeah, the medical display versions should work a charm and the main difference between them and the studio monitor counterparts (also great) are the white casing and possible bodily secretions on them. :oh_no:
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Guuuuu!!!! Nice. Well I by the time I gave up on a RGB monitor, I just got my Sony Trinitron WEGA 27". It gets the job done with some modded video outputs atleast. I like the digital comb filter since it greately helps the old NES and also the Turbo Duo with its color and sync seperation. I did the S-video mod like the Neo Geo original mod on my 2nd run of the 1st model Genesis and got a damn good video out of it, so I am happy since the system only has a 64 color capability.

Of course the NES is the only system you really can't mod since its original video source is composite. I heard of some guys trying to put a Players Choice 10 Cab RGB output inside a NES. It works for most games but some it screws up royaly.
 
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SNKNostalgia said:
I take it you live in a PAL friendly enviroment? Well living in the US we don't get Scart RGB which does suck, but not as much as the PAL video signal overall.

Reduced size screens on many game systems (bordering around the screen).
50hz instead of 60hz, not a whole lot of difference but enough to notice if you ask me.

So it is either NTSC better signal type, or PAL better video connection type. Atleast now there is component video and also one good trick is to buy a TV that is designed to take VGA inputs. Just buy a X-RGB 2 or 2+
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The black borders are of the snes-era.

Anyway, I have the best of both worlds, everything RGB and my TV can handle both 50/60HZ, so I have imported all my consoles/games from the snes-era on (USA or JPN). :buttrock:
 
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Ok I have found out the reason why it is impossible to get the image boarders to be 100% perfect.

Its because they aren't originally perfect comming out from older systems. Most of this must be because the game companies never bothered to perfect it because it wasn't to be seen in the first place since the screens were meant to cut it if off anyway. Oh well, I really don't get bothered by it, I just cutt off the screen a bit.

The Turbo Duo seems to have one of the weirdest sizes and shapes of the video image when not cut off.
 
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