Restoring a old-style aes joystick

bronxvigne

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Hello, just a week ago I bought a consolized 2 slot MVS and the seller included for free a old style aes joystick. He included it for free because it has 2 buttons totally missing (he used it for spare parts...) and it's quite scratched. I thought to repaint it, change its cracked ball and replace the buttons.
My question is: can I use buttons used in candy cab? I will replace all 4 buttons with coloured one if I can.
Some time ago someone posted a site to buy buttons for candy cab, but I don't know if they have right size (depth...).The same site also sells balls for stick, has anyone tried them as replacement?
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BoyProdigy

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Buttons won't work, they are far to big (30mm in diameter) but the balls fit like a glove. I'd go with a mini balls, they are closer to the original controllers ball.
 

SuperGun

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repairing (saving) broken home system joysticks

A while back I figured out a way to repair/replace the buttons on the original home system joysticks. The end result is actually very nice and far better then the original buttons. I'd show you pics if I could just post them here directly but hosting them at a url just so that they can be posted here is too complicated and takes too long for me. But in case it helps, yes, it can be done.

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As a sidenote: The original Turbografx-16 joystick had an Orange screw on joystick ball which is 100% compatible with the original Neo-Geo joysticks.
 
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bronxvigne

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Thanks a lot!
As they are suitable I'll go with mini balls!
For SuperGun: can you tell me how do you replace buttons?Which buttons do you use? BoyProdigy wrote candy cab buttons are too big, so which kind of buttons I have to buy? A little tutorial will be very appreciated! You can send me photos by mail , if you have time...
 

Amano Jacu

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SuperGun said:
A while back I figured out a way to repair/replace the buttons on the original home system joysticks. The end result is actually very nice and far better then the original buttons. I'd show you pics if I could just post them here directly but hosting them at a url just so that they can be posted here is too complicated and takes too long for me. But in case it helps, yes, it can be done.

If you email me the pics I'll post them for you, see my e-mail in my profile. Muchas gracias ;)
 

SuperGun

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a better neo joystick

Alright, very well then, pics have been emailed to Amano. He has generously offerred to post them up and he can let us know when they are ready. Muchas gracias por ayudar a nosotros con esto. Tambien, perdoname que las photos son muy grande, pero queria ensenar los detales el mejor posible.

Some background:

The original neo geo joystick was indeed a very well made and comfortable joystick. However only the joystick uses real "clicking" switches. The buttons do not use clicking switches. For me personally, they were the only thing I disliked about the joystick. Once a button breaks, its broken! Granted, this rarely happens, but when it does, your screwed. I made a few repairs here and there which had mixed results, but it never worked perfectly again.

So I actually found this particular solution several years later after I had tossed this joystick on a shelf to collect dust. I used to loan out the joystick to friends here and there hence why it is a "loaner controller" as marked in the pics.

The buttons I used are smaller then "standard" arcade industry control panel action buttons. They were manufactured and used in games by SEGA. They are the "start" buttons for Hang On, Out Run, Space Harrier, Thunder Blade, After Burner, etc. They fit in the holes on the joystick surface so perfectly, that they literally "click" as they snap into position and they do not fall out either.

They are also CLICK buttons, like the cherry switches used in arcade game buttons so they work perfectly and flawlessly every time during high intensity button mashing sessions. Lets put it this way, I kick so much ass in 3 Count Bout with this joystick, that I almost beat the game without a continue! And you KNOW how much you have to press the A button in 3 Count Bout!

They are actually illuminated buttons as well, but let me tell you right now, yellow was the most commonly used color and so it is very easy to find. Green is a close second. But the red is nearly impossible to track down and blue is out of the question. I can get you part numbers for them, but I don't think Sega stocks them anymore and even if they do, the color selection might be slim.

Regards,
Billy Pitt

Additionally, the buttons themselves come in two different style settings. Most are white but some are black. Obviously the black ones are more desirable for a black based joystick but of course they are harder to find. When the pics get posted, look at them closely to observe these and other details.
 
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bronxvigne

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Thanks both to Amano & SuperGun!
I have a question for SuperGun, do you know the hole width for neo geo buttons?
In the site I posted for joystick balls they sell 30mm buttons (wrong size) and also 24mm buttons. They describe them as "start buttons". Maybe they are suitable!?! :conf:
 

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I'm intrested in this also. If you can still find the model numbers please post em up. Are they the same style ones shown on hard MVS? The "snap in" type or some type of screw in?
Thanks!
 

Superfamifreak

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Just out of interest, I have the innards of an old style stick, all working apart from the left direction. Fancy them?
 

Urbain03

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I'll try to replace mine with some Sanwa OSBF-24 (24mm) pushbuttons... (clips) They are exactly the same diameter as the Sega start buttons described in this thread.

http://www.sud-automatic.com/images/pieces/video/start_bouton_sanwa.jpg

The biggest issue is that they probably won't fit in the Neo controller... There is between 2.5 and 3.5 cm of height in the Neo controller, depending of the pushbutton. And the Sanwa OSBF-24 buttons are 3.0 cm in height.

I'll probably find a way around that. I've ordered some of them to try. I'll tell you when i receive them.
 

Dinodoedoe

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What are the exact buttons and joysticks I should buy to upgrade/restore an AES controller? I just got in to the AES and I am a little worried about getting sloppy joysticks and broken buttons on my controllers.
 

SNKNostalgia

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I am also very interested in restoring my Old Style sticks. My "A" button is getting clunky and the stick is still holding ok, but thats easy to replace with microswitches from arcade cabs I would think. As for the buttons, trial and error on other parts. I wonder if old SNES/Genesis arcade style sticks will work, I have 3 I don't use. I think I will bust them open today.
 

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Didn't see it posted here but I believe that the NES Advantage Joystick balls are compatible with Neo Geo's stick.
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SNKNostalgia

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Yeah i remember hearing about that as well. There are many ball replacements. As long as the screw sizes match you can use anything. Ball cracks don't bother me as long as its stays in 1 solid peice.
 

Dinodoedoe

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Well the reason I was wondering what parts I need to completely restore is because I wanted to make a step by step instruction on replacing the joystick and buttons and list the parts that would be used on this project. I know it can be done be I don't want the trial and error on buying all the different buttons to complete this project. What I need are part numbers for the joystick and buttons, and maybe where to order them. ;)
 

SNKNostalgia

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Good idea. Also, heres something to look into. You know the newer NeoGeo classic sticks for the Playstation 2, why not look inside one of those and see if it uses the same components. If they do, then that means SNK Playmore has parts in stock most likely.

Anyone that has one of the sticks, please open up and take a look inside. I have a feeling it might be the same.
 

Superfamifreak

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SNKNostalgia said:
Good idea. Also, heres something to look into. You know the newer NeoGeo classic sticks for the Playstation 2, why not look inside one of those and see if it uses the same components. If they do, then that means SNK Playmore has parts in stock most likely.

Anyone that has one of the sticks, please open up and take a look inside. I have a feeling it might be the same.

I doubt they are similar. Maybe the stick and the start & select buttons, but not the 'ABCD' setup. The board would have to be much bigger than to original SNK sticks.

Also, I may have found a place that has the SFC XE-3 joystick - same design as the Neo one, but with autofire - really cheap. May see if I can get it working on a Neo :)
 

Urbain03

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The pushbuttons holes in the joystick are 24mm wide.

I've ordered some Sanwa 24mm pushbuttons, which are the same size as the Sega start buttons the author of this thread used for his project.

I've also been told that Sanwa has some joystick spare balls that are compatible with the Neo.

The only problem with the Neo controller is that there's very little space in height. The guy who posted photos of his modded joystick didn't post a side view of it, so we can see if he had to make the case taller so the buttons can fit.

I'll post a comment as soon as i receive my Sanwa buttons... and maybe a tutorial on how to replace the original buttons with sanwa ones...
 

SNKNostalgia

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You probally could file down the screw grooves that hold the button board up if there is enough space below the board to lower it a cm or two. Hmmm, this could get a little chop and shop like. Oh well.
 

Urbain03

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The fact is the button board needs to be totally removed... the Sanwa buttons are nearly 3 cm deep...

Anyway, the original button board is useless since Sanwa pushbuttons are already built with a switch, like all arcade buttons buttons in general... ;)
 
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