Do you support a political movement?

Since most of the users here are able to vote, I was wondering if some of you are supporting a political movement. I mean not only by voting for them but going to meetings,etc...
You don't have to tell us which movement you support and all movements are welcome (right or left wings, extreme right or extreme left and any other one I forgot).

Since my mother is in the city council of my town and affiliated to a right wing movement, I came some times (when I was in France) with her to some meetings. I was suprised to see many young people (20-30 yrs old) helping and participating during those meetings.

Having the chance to live in a democratic country where anyone can express his political point of view (I can feel the difference since I'm working in egypt), I always thought that those who have a concrete opinion should try to help, by any means, the movement that suit it the best.

I participate, make donations to and vote for the New Democratic Party in Canada. They are Canada's socilaist party and also the only ones who know what has to be done.

At most a bowel movement.

Democrat or Rebublican, I seek the truly conservative & attempt to suppourt them.

DARK ANDY said:

At most a bowel movement.

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democrap

almost any political "movement" in stable countries has an ulterior economic agenda, and I rather don't trust them much at all.

It's when you have pure chaos that you can create actual freedom and democracy. As it stands, we're all living in political jokes, and those who seriously believe in them are our clowns for entertainment purposes.

I used to be a registered member of the conservative party..
-As a joke.

But I got emarassed by the hate filled xenophobic propoganda that they would send me in the mail. Especialy being in College.

Now I'm registered Green in an inactive district. I don't get anything anymore.

The Republicans have bad ideas and the Democrats have no ideas.

I support neither.

Nah, I'm not actively involved in politics. There are more important things in life, such as building my own career, being with friends, and playing SFIII.

Magnaflux said:

The Republicans have bad ideas and the Democrats have no ideas.

I support neither.

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Nah you got it all wrong.

Traditionaly:
The Republicans deny that there are any problems
The Democrats say that there is a problem and don't do anything about it.

Today:
The Republicans scream that the sky is falling and then do things that do the opposite:

Examples:
Underfund Education and Call it the "Leave no child behind" act
Allow Buisnesses to rape the enviorment and call it the "Clear Skies act" (or whatever)
Force Privacy consessions that would appal the Founding fathers and call it the "Patriot Act"

norton9478 said:

Nah you got it all wrong.

Traditionaly:
The Republicans deny that there are any problems
The Democrats say that there is a problem and don't do anything about it.

Today:
The Republicans scream that the sky is falling and then do things that do the opposite:

Examples:
Underfund Education and Call it the "Leave no child behind" act
Allow Buisnesses to rape the enviorment and call it the "Clear Skies act" (or whatever)
Force Privacy consessions that would appal the Founding fathers and call it the "Patriot Act"

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Good points. I always remember George Washington's advice when he left office to not split the government between two parties.

Magnaflux said:

Good points. I always remember George Washington's advice when he left office to not split the government between two parties.

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The Corprate interest party gets 95% of the vote.... It's just the different factions that are at war.

HellioN said:

Democrat or Rebublican, I seek the truly conservative & attempt to suppourt them.

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Same here... I don’t care about if there is a D or R in front of them... as long as they stand for their nation, family, and are real people and not an empty suit.

I used to believe one way or the other, over the past 6 months though I have come to the conclusion I no longer really care. At the end of the day the Repubs are just as fucked as the Dems, and the Independents aren't really all that Independent.

...thus I'll always vote for the lesser of the evils between the three as it stands now, but in reality I look out for #1 now. As long as no one is trying to tell me how to live or what I can do, I'm cool and the gang... if they do tell me something I don't agree with and know damn well it's not within the confines of what America was originally supposed to be about, well then they'll be a new definition in the dictonary for the word Insolent. Like my screen name implies, I guess I now truely am "Mercenary" because if I don't stand to gain something from something, chances are I ain't dying for some cut rate hacks in office or some degenerate piece of shit in the neighborhood who wouldn't get the bigger picture anyhow. I truely just don't give a fuck anymore, I'm still an idealist at heart but from what I've seen in people, (most ppl) I say fuck it and live however I want to.

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None at the moment, but I'd like to support ...

I don´t understand why the US doesn´t have a Parlamentary system. I mean, there are tons of political parties, but only 2 actual ones, that can have the power.

I agree with Wasabi completly.
you won't see me until all hell breaks loose. which should be within my lifetime.

wasabi said:

almost any political "movement" in stable countries has an ulterior economic agenda, and I rather don't trust them much at all.

It's when you have pure chaos that you can create actual freedom and democracy. As it stands, we're all living in political jokes, and those who seriously believe in them are our clowns for entertainment purposes.

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I'm still waiting for the right time. When it's "Chaos" time, then I can truly live as it was meant to be lived and forge the future by my hand, assault rifle and 26+ years of training and studying. Until then, I'll do as I please not looking for a fight, but beat down anyone who gets in my way, further proliferating the worthless private agendas of the collective majority. And since GRD isn't really what we have anymore, fuck it.

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Vlad said:

I don´t understand why the US doesn´t have a Parlamentary system. I mean, there are tons of political parties, but only 2 actual ones, that can have the power.

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roffle

europeans and your silly parliament

Vlad said:

I don´t understand why the US doesn´t have a Parlamentary system. I mean, there are tons of political parties, but only 2 actual ones, that can have the power.

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It was the way things were originally setup and it would be too much work to change it. Besides it obviously works fine enough given that we're the richest country in the world and one of only a handful western nations with a steadily growing economy (as opposed to being in an economic stasis, a downturn or full blown recession. In theoretical terms the constitutional framework and doctrine of checks and balances is also time-tested and proven at this point and wouldn't be worth the ensuing chaos and lengthy process needed for a radical re-organization of the national government.

It would require a constitutional amendment first of all and that would take years to agree upon and then pass around the 50 state legislatures and/or have it ratified by state-wide refferendum. Which means it probably woudnt pass even if it got through the end of a 5-10-15 year process, not to mention the huge public resistance and little gain in doing so.

Besides, the current parties have evovled into a sort of framework where each party has a huge diversity of thought within it and with different branches or systems of alliances that evolve continually. Though not as outwardly visibile, most of the diversity of thought found in a multi-party parlimentary style government *IS* there as different alliances within each party compete on state, local, and federal levels over who gets to steer the ship so to speak.

In purely theoretical terms, it's also a far more stable form of democracy where each branch of the government draws its power independently from the constitution and is restrained by a system of checks and balances, which isnt really developed in a parlimentary system, where all governmental power is drawn from the legislature. If people don't like a the chief executive he's voted out of office a fixed time, the entire government doesn't fall apart with him and that usually avoids messy situations like

Ultimately, it's like debating the merits of a federal style of governmental organization or a centralized form of government. It's an argument about the theoretical mechanics of a governmental framework when the real issue of concern is the people operating within that framework, not the framework itself.

Besides alternative parties do play an important role in the evolution of our government. They're historically responsible for bringing an issue or a position to the national forefront and forcing the two major parties to evolve and change, adopting those positions and take up issues in order to stay in office. These movements and these people are usually intergrated into either one of the two traditional parties.

I support a fresh start for the world. All new everything.

Which of course will require the full destruction of all current governments and removal of atleast 90% of the world's population.

Vlad said:

I don´t understand why the US doesn´t have a Parliamentary system. I mean, there are tons of political parties, but only 2 actual ones, that can have the power.

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Because parliament is unstable and can be dissolved, for example. There are many many pros and cons to each. A lot of this is covered in Political science courses in college.

I personally believe monarchy is the best. This way you know who the ruler will be and can properly train him, also it will be effective in exercising authority. And don't fool yourselves, democracy does not equal freedom. People will ALWAYS be ruled by something, whether it be law, bureaucracy, a dictator, or the will of the majority. This is why America has the Bill of Rights, so a 51% doesn't legislate everything in their favor. Look at infringements on freedom like the Alien and Sedition Acts (Federalsit Party) and slavery.

Humanity is best motivated when fighting for/against individuals. There were idyllic kings and emperors throughout history who inspired many subjects.

Continuing the leader-centered approach: Look at some of America's wars: WWII and the Afghani war. The people supported these wars because they despised the leaders of al Qaeda, and in 1942 Hitler was killing Jews and attacking our allies. No one said "gee, we need to change the basic socio-political structure of a country (Afghanistan) 15,000 miles away" . Also: Both times our involvement was led by the president.

In America we see more of voting for the person instead of the blind party-loyalism of parliamentary systems. Intelligent people don't follow exact agendas of the parties because they are an amalgation of many sometimes unrelated positions. Like (democratic party) what does increasing welfare and social programs have to do with abortion or the environment?
Not all economic conservatives want to destroy the Earth and not all Democrats want abortion. Too many people are bound by pary lines and in the end it's all spoon-fed bullshit.

Bottom line: whether or not people want to accept it, government centered on individuals is always best.














PS: I know someone will think "Fascist!" I expect that kind of cookie-cutter response

Gaelsano said:

I personally believe monarchy is the best.

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I don't agree. The mere notion of an enlightened despot, while arguably not impossible, is in reality absurd. Oh look, I have all the power to do whatever I want - you know the cliche that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It seems like history has at least shown us that to be true.

Though you're right about Americans not blindly following party lines. There is diversity within the parties as you and jewline said.

But ultimately you're a Fascist whose opinion is null and void. Please go back to your opressive tyranny and leave us free democrats alone.

(please note the kekeke)

I am in the military, I am limited to what I can support because of this and it seems like whatever I support i get the shaft anyways. Either i get underpaid or i get sent on pointless excursions. I voluteered for it and I am not complaining(well sorta) but its pointless for me to fuck with anything major. I am just one small ant in an anthill.

man I kinda wish i was a civillian again but then again omfg teh benefitz0rz!

The only real government that exists to me anyhow is GRD (Grass Roots Democracy), something that the contemporaries hate to be reminded about. The big pitch in today's political feild is that THE PEOPLE should be more involved in politics, especially at their local levels. But the reality is that everyone from the Cops to lawyers, to the politicans in particular would rather ppl vote for them and then STFU. They don't like having that small percentile of ppl who actually show up to every zone meeting in their community. The person always wanting to know more, who then goes out and learns about what is and what isn't still on the books for whatever the respective subject at hand. Thus after awhile one learns that they themselves cannot change anything be it as an individual or as a cabal. Because the much bigger collective majority (which is what the politicans are betting on) is oblivious to it all.

Thus it's all about staying in the know and living your life however you want, within what you as the individual knows to be the law, and/or how the political arms work and how far they reach... and then knowing where one and how to go about fighting for your rights as they still inherently are is productive. Then if all else fails no one can cry foul when we come off our leashes and all fucking hell breaks loose, which IMO wouldn't be a bad thing. A weeding out process of sorts for all the Token Citizens, the money elite and the hippies who's not well thought out social/cultural revolution in the 60's failed (like it was going to) by not studying history and knowing their methods wouldn't work, only to become the system themselves. Thus I say as long as the people in mass leave you the fuck alone and let you do as you damn well please within reason, even if it's eccentric then all is well... otherwise REGULATE! *Heck the only two flags that mean jack shit to me overall anyhow are...


The mutha' fuckin' LONE STAR!

but my heart has always been one of a man who's an outcast amongst a smaller band of ppl spread out, and the only flag that can represent that spirit is...


A bonafide Pirate Flag. *Misunderstood Malcontents Eternal.

The 50 stars as it flies today is a joke. I love the nation and what it is supposed to mean and will not defile it in the manner of burning it, shitting on it or anything of the sort and will always back up the military and what they do. Heck I'd still kill anyone designated "Against" the overall union if asked to do so, and with glee. Beyond that, the people have helped turn what is indeed still the best nation on Earth into a place that is simply "Cool" and not "Phenonmenal" like it should be. And the ppl most offended by such comments are generally of the token variety in the first place. The type who won't vote no matter what, (even if it's all the same) and make a major scene out of something just for the sake of doing it, but understand not where we came from let alone why everything's more or less shit now. Oh well, time for me to go do something without putting any forethought towards it living by the seat of my pants. Fuck Political Movements unless they are going to bring back the spirit of another age. Going forward is neccessary, but not everything new and improved is neccessarily better.

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