Top 20 Mistakes in Episode 1 - 3

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20. General Grevious
Okay, overall I think General Grevious was a good idea, or at least had the potential to be a good idea. He was a man, but was almost entirely remade with a droid body. Seems like essentially he's just a brain in a box. His advantage over a normal droid is that he can (at least to a certain degree) use the Force. This gets weird. The only indication we have that he has any Force affinity is that he uses a lightsaber. No force pushes, jumps, or anything else. Plus, he coughs! I see no indication of a respitory system! I understand they wanted to portray him as a sickly man, hideously remade into a machine - a sort-of precursor to Vader, but come on! But what really bugged me was how poorly he fought given that he was using four light sabers. They could have done a much better job.

19. Padme's Invulnerability
We first saw this when she fell from a speeder going 500mph in Episode 2. She rolled down a dune, appeared to be unconscious for a few seconds, and then when a clone trooper came over to check on her, she said she was okay, got up, and ran off. When I was first in the theater watching the movie, there was actually laughter at this part. The second time comes when she's eight months pregnant and she breaks into a full sprint, running faster than I probably could. I can buy this stuff when the Jedi do it, but not from Padme.

18. Where have all the battle droids gone?
In all three prequels, battle droids are everywhere. I fully expected Lucas to come up with some technological means to easily defeat droids in battle, thus negating their usefulness by the end of episode 3. This would explain why there is not one battle droid in the original trilogy. But no. Plothole!

17. The Neimoidians' Accents
I can understand wanting to create unique voices, but the atrocious faux-Japanese accents that the Neimoidians' used were just plain horrendous.

16. Battle Droid Speech
The only need battle droids should have to speak is for when they address living beings. And there should be no need for rank amongst them. So when a commander droid tells another droid "Check it out", and the response is "Roger Roger", it makes me want to cry. What's with the slang?

15. Yoda's Speech
In Episode 2, Yoda's speech bordered on normal. In Episode 3, it was so overdone as to sound contrived. One line I remember is "Now, the time is!" At times, I nearly expected him to shout "On, bring it!"

14. The Emperor's Acrobatics
Perhaps I should have merged this with #4, but it's not nearly as bad. When Palpatine charges the Jedi, rather than run or jump forward, he dives through the air, spiraling crazily. There is no need for this, and it looks downright stupid. Personally, I'd have denied Palpatine a lightsaber entirely.

13. Gratuitous Foreshadowing
Lucas should have tried to make new movies rather than using SO many elements from the original trilogy. Continuity is one thing, but we didn't need to see the Death Star plans. Boba Fett's family didn't need to be involved. Owen and Beru certainly didn't need to have a place in the movies. I know that Luke needed to go to them, but heck - just Owen alone would have been fine, perhaps introduced much later. And the droids were way too central to the overall plot. R2D2 saving the day in Episode 1 was painful to watch. The scene where Padme did up her hair like Leia was just plain dumb. And including Chewbacca in Episode 3 was an insult to Star Wars fans everywhere.

12. Convoluted Politics
I understand the need to establish Palpatine as an insidious (ooh! Catch the play on words?!?) manipulative politician of the worst kind, but the plot reads like a plate of spaghetti, and holds together just about as well. As I see it, Palpatine first needed to be elected Supreme Chancelor. So he worked with the Trade Federation and imposed a blockade on his own planet of Naboo. He created a situation which forced Naboo's Queen Padme to vote the old Supreme Chancelor Valurian out of office, and ensured that he would be elected as a replacement. That was Episode 1. Episode 2 gets even stickier. To further increase his political powers, Palpatine needs to create a crisis, which he's been planning for some time. He encourages the separatists, who have a droid army, and sees to it that the Republic has a clone army. He uses Padme and Jar Jar to accomplish all this, but I've forgotten the details, as they're a bit too complex. Who was Master Sifo-Dyas again?

11. The Pod Race
From the cheezy two-headed announcer, to the badass biker Sebulba, to the Jedis' decision to risk it all on a kid they just met, the Pod Race was a supreme waste of movie time. It showcased special effects, but was inane and failed to move the plot forward.

10. The New (old?) R2D2
Whomever made the decision to allow R2D2 to spring out of his slot on a starship and land neatly on the ground, and to (aargh) fly should be shot. Probably Lucas. Any explanations as to why he couldn't do this in episodes 4-6 are lame. I hated the scene in Episode 3 where he beat up two battle droids.

9. Bad Droid Antics
This refers mostly to Episode 2. Once Lucas figured out that Jar Jar was no good as comic relief, he tried to use R2D2 and C3PO. But he did it wrong. Damn wrong. The worst part is the assembly line scene that has R2D2 push C3PO off the ledge and fly (fly!) after him. This culminates with C3PO's head being welded to a battle droid body and C3PO muttering "I'm so confused!". What happened to clever humor like "they're behind you!" when C3PO is strapped to Chewy's back? (sigh)

8. Coincidental Luck
This is a huge gripe of mine, and a large part of what made Episode 1 suck for me. Little Anakin hides in a ship while the adults go off to fight, and while helping by blasting some destroyer droids, he accidentally activates the autopilot, which was for some reason set to fly to the droid control station in orbit. While up there, ("Let's try rolling, that's a good trick!") he accidentally flies into a hanger and accidentally destroys the station. Stupid. I suppose the explanation is that he's the chosen one and that somehow fate or The Force is intervening and causing all this. Stupid. That's not how The Force works. And it's made worse when we see Jar Jar win the land battle the same way. He ducks and hides and a blaster tangles around his foot, killing all nearby enemies. Then he unhooks some big cart, unleashing a bunch of electro grenade globe thingies, which destroy a bunch of droid tanks. Stupid. And it invalidates the notion that The Force was involved in Anakin's victory.

7. The Death of Darth Maul
Darth Maul, while not as complex as Darth Vader or as ominous as Darth Sidious, is the most intimidating villian in the Star Wars franchise. He's not about plotting, he's not about conquest. He's about kicking your ass. And he's very good. The final lightsaber battle in Episode 1 was the best in the entire Star Wars franchise, due largely to Ray Park. Those weren't CG flips - what he did was real, and that's why it looked so good. But when he stood still and watched while Obi Wan flipped up and over him, landed, and then cut him in two, it just wasn't believable. Worst bad-guy death ever. The same problem reappears in Episode 3 when Sidious kills the first few Jedi - they just stand still while he kills them. They've got lightsabers out, but don't move to defend themselves.

6. Midi-Chlorians
The Force used to be an ancient religion. Now, it's in your blood. Stupid.

5. Anakin Constructing C3PO
Deciding that it was Vader who actually constructed C3PO was a horrible move. He's now not just some droid who happens to be where all the action is, he's now the creation of the Dark Lord of the Sith. Dumb.

4. Yoda's Acrobatics
A lot of people loved this, but I thought it ruined the character of Yoda. Yoda is a wise seer and mentor who dispenses council and instructs young jedi. As soon as he pulled out a lightsaber, it ruined the character for me. He should never have been a physical character. He's more of a general, and generals shouldn't be on the front lines. His acrobatic fighting looked fake and unrealistic. If it was necessary to have him fight, he should have used a style that more closely resembled something you'd see an 80-year-old martial arts master using, emphasizing skill over speed and maneuverability. Same holds true for Sidious.

3. Padme & Anakin's Love Story
I've heard some people complain about the actors, and some claim that it was poor direction on Lucas's part. I'm sure the writing also hurt things. In any event, the love scenes were terrible. Zero chemistry.

2. Episode 1 for First-Graders
Phantom Menace looks like it was written as a kids movie. The focus on Anakin, who should not yet have been a pivotal character, really hurt things.

1. Jar Jar
Need I say more?
 

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I don't agree with all 20 points, but I do agree with the majority of them. Especially Darth Maul's death, that was lame as all hell.
 

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genjiglove said:
Yoda flipping around looked unrealistic? No shit.

Puppet Yoda > All three prequal movies combined
 

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20. Mace used the force to crush the armor over his heart given him the cough as seen in Clone Wars when Grevious kidnapped Palpatine. He also doesn't know how to use the force. Only a lightsaber.
19. Meh...
18. They were all deactivated by Anakin on Mustafar and the whole place blew up so there was no real way to control them not to mention the Clones were far superior.
17. Meh...
16. Meh...
15. Meh...
14. I personally didn't like it either, but that's how everyone fought back then so whatever.
13. All the foreshadowing was more like fan service than anything else. It certainly didn't mess with my mind, besided Chewbacca not doing anything but being there.
12. Meh...someone is just nit picking now.
11. It showed how Anakin was already an exceptional pilot as a child.
10. It's for comedy relief
9. Meh...
8. It's the will of the force.
7. Agreed. Even though I thought Maul sucked as a character and deserved to die and burn in hell.
6. Agreed.
5. Pointless, but it did create a lot of discussion about why x doesn't remember x and whatnot.
4. I though Yoda was cool. It showed that he was to be feared and that he was strong in more than just the force. I mean he was like one of the main reasons they defeated the Sith the first time. Makes me wonder what he was like in his prime.
3. Horrible idea should have happened off camera totally. Or at least been written by someone different.
2. All the Star Wars movies are for kids, Lucas just forgot that the primary audience wouldn't be kids this time around.
1. Mesa happy.
 

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Over 1 billion in ticket sales and an incalculatable licensing fee/mechandise = Lucas doesn't give a flying fuck who anyone thinks because people will buy/pay for anything with Star Wars on it.
 

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The Anakin constructing C-3PO thing was completely unnecessary, and fucking cheesy, that's one of the points I agree most on.

And of course...mesa ruin every scene!
 

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When I read 'Mistakes' I thought it was gonna be daft continuity errors - like people's light-sabers changing colours, or Anakin wearing a digital watch in one scene...or something.
Not some dissapointed fanboy ranting on about the plot being rubbish.

Oh well, some decent points there I guess. I'd say my main issue with Star Wars is that the franchise has grown so big, and gotten such a devoted/anally-retentive following, that its suffocating under the restrictive weight of its own heretidge.

Oh and Lightsabers suck - they should have replaced them with chainsaws - that would have made for much better battle scenes. :buttrock:
 

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I read the first 6 and realized they weren't mistakes at all, but pointless bitching. "Padme rolled down a sand dune"? What, did that guy think he was watching a documentary or something? Oh no! Something incredible happened in an action sci-fi movie! That guy must be a real hoot at parties.
 

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21. People having too many years of expectations of how it should be to actually just sit back and enjoy it like when you were a kid? :smirk:
 

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Really great stuff TonK.

No mention of the now infamous, Darth Vader "NOOOooooo"?


I laughed... but really... What else could you say in that situation?


"Goddamnit, son of a fucking bitch" I think would have been a bit much for a PG-13 film.

- Edit - Just reaized you cut/paste it.
 
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TonK said:
20. General Grevious
Okay, overall I think General Grevious was a good idea, or at least had the potential to be a good idea. He was a man, but was almost entirely remade with a droid body. Seems like essentially he's just a brain in a box. His advantage over a normal droid is that he can (at least to a certain degree) use the Force. This gets weird. The only indication we have that he has any Force affinity is that he uses a lightsaber. No force pushes, jumps, or anything else. Plus, he coughs! I see no indication of a respitory system! I understand they wanted to portray him as a sickly man, hideously remade into a machine - a sort-of precursor to Vader, but come on! But what really bugged me was how poorly he fought given that he was using four light sabers. They could have done a much better job.

You haven't watched the Clone Wars cartoons or at least read the backstory. If you had it makes sense.

Grevious was a badass, like really badass. He was rebuilt but he still had some organs going in there, that's why they caught on fire when Obi Wan shot him in the chest in EP3.

He was coughing because at the end of the Clone Wars cartoon Mace Windu crushed his chest armor around his lungs as he was getting away with Palpatine.

He could not use the force, but as eluded to in EP3 "Dooku taught me the light saber arts" or something.

19. Padme's Invulnerability
We first saw this when she fell from a speeder going 500mph in Episode 2. She rolled down a dune, appeared to be unconscious for a few seconds, and then when a clone trooper came over to check on her, she said she was okay, got up, and ran off. When I was first in the theater watching the movie, there was actually laughter at this part. The second time comes when she's eight months pregnant and she breaks into a full sprint, running faster than I probably could. I can buy this stuff when the Jedi do it, but not from Padme.

Standard fare for hero's of action movies. This is like complaining that of the ARMIES that shoot at Rambo not one of the millions of rounds fired, not one shell of ordinance that hits the one man facing an army.

16. Battle Droid Speech
The only need battle droids should have to speak is for when they address living beings. And there should be no need for rank amongst them. So when a commander droid tells another droid "Check it out", and the response is "Roger Roger", it makes me want to cry. What's with the slang?

This is still after all a movie. It's a limit of the medium, for a response to be understood to the audience dialog is needed most of the time.

Still this makes perfect sense as far as the series goes, when you give a droid an order you want to ensure that the command was recieved correctly, an afirmative response is understandable.

14. The Emperor's Acrobatics
Perhaps I should have merged this with #4, but it's not nearly as bad. When Palpatine charges the Jedi, rather than run or jump forward, he dives through the air, spiraling crazily. There is no need for this, and it looks downright stupid. Personally, I'd have denied Palpatine a lightsaber entirely.

This is when he was relatively young, and before he got scared by Windu making him into what we saw in the OT. He's like the ultimate in evil and you assume that the guy can't use the force to control his body in order to fight with a lightsaber? You don't get to be a Sith by just being smart and coniving.

8. Coincidental Luck
This is a huge gripe of mine, and a large part of what made Episode 1 suck for me. Little Anakin hides in a ship while the adults go off to fight, and while helping by blasting some destroyer droids, he accidentally activates the autopilot, which was for some reason set to fly to the droid control station in orbit. While up there, ("Let's try rolling, that's a good trick!") he accidentally flies into a hanger and accidentally destroys the station. Stupid. I suppose the explanation is that he's the chosen one and that somehow fate or The Force is intervening and causing all this. Stupid. That's not how The Force works. And it's made worse when we see Jar Jar win the land battle the same way. He ducks and hides and a blaster tangles around his foot, killing all nearby enemies. Then he unhooks some big cart, unleashing a bunch of electro grenade globe thingies, which destroy a bunch of droid tanks. Stupid. And it invalidates the notion that The Force was involved in Anakin's victory.

See my response to #19. Same crap applies.

4. Yoda's Acrobatics
A lot of people loved this, but I thought it ruined the character of Yoda. Yoda is a wise seer and mentor who dispenses council and instructs young jedi. As soon as he pulled out a lightsaber, it ruined the character for me. He should never have been a physical character. He's more of a general, and generals shouldn't be on the front lines. His acrobatic fighting looked fake and unrealistic. If it was necessary to have him fight, he should have used a style that more closely resembled something you'd see an 80-year-old martial arts master using, emphasizing skill over speed and maneuverability. Same holds true for Sidious.

He was THE friggin Jedi! A lightsaber is a Jedi's weapon, and Yoda as one of the greatest Jedi that we know of has to be badass with it by definition. Just because he was only badass with the force when we saw him in 4-6 doesn't mean that he wasn't badass before. Seeing that he was adds a lot to the character and is the most explainable way that a little green man with a cane is an incredible force to be reconed with in battle.

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Everything else I either agreed with or didn't care enough to refute.

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Grievious heart and lunges :) they are indeed a bit too thin for coughs but i found that nice anyway

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6. Midi-Chlorians
The Force used to be an ancient religion. Now, it's in your blood. Stupid.

Yes... hate that too... trying to rationalyse the central supernatural touch of starwars was lame imo :(
 

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Who ever wrote that needs to lighten up. The movies are for kids. And on top of that its Sci-fi/Fantasy. So yeah crazy dumb shit can and will happen in them.
 

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The composer of the list left out Boba being reduced to a Stormtrooper with the benefit of a good upbringing.
 

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TonK said:
7. The Death of Darth Maul
Darth Maul, while not as complex as Darth Vader or as ominous as Darth Sidious, is the most intimidating villian in the Star Wars franchise. He's not about plotting, he's not about conquest. He's about kicking your ass. And he's very good. The final lightsaber battle in Episode 1 was the best in the entire Star Wars franchise, due largely to Ray Park. Those weren't CG flips - what he did was real, and that's why it looked so good. But when he stood still and watched while Obi Wan flipped up and over him, landed, and then cut him in two, it just wasn't believable. Worst bad-guy death ever. The same problem reappears in Episode 3 when Sidious kills the first few Jedi - they just stand still while he kills them. They've got lightsabers out, but don't move to defend themselves.

This one is the biggest error of starwars 1, how a wonderful warrior like Darth Maul can die like the biggest dumbass ! :shame:
 
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I totally agreed with that list. Eps 1-3 were piles of crap because they followed 4-6.

Unfortunately, I also agree with this:

Lastblade said:
Over 1 billion in ticket sales and an incalculatable licensing fee/mechandise = Lucas doesn't give a flying fuck who anyone thinks because people will buy/pay for anything with Star Wars on it.
 

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No comment and i say that becuse Lucas does what he wants.
 

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TonK said:
We first saw this when she fell from a speeder going 500mph in Episode 2.
What the fuck? Was she wearing a high-tech full body suit providing insulation?

The only reason I'm bringing this up is that the wind chill, even at 200mph, would be indescribable. I've been reading accounts from US paratroopers and their experience at jump school, and every single one of them has remarked on how frigidly cold/numbing sticking your face out of an airplane going at 130mph is. Not only that, but these guys are much beefier than Padme is. Assuming that that 500mph mark is not an exaggeration (I'm assuming that it's not, given the speeder race in Episode 1), this is just stupid. Or maybe Padme is just tougher than your average Green Beret.

Yes, I know the laws of physics do not apply in A Galaxy Far, Far Away (such as how lightsabers work), but I'd assume that Lucas would at least acknowledge wind chill.
 

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I only agree with 1,2,7,8,9 and 11. The rest could have been better but I wouldn't count them as "errors".
 

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I love all the star wars films and will watch them over and over again, and personally really, really enjoyed episode 3, regardless of what some retarded fanboy thinks
 

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Ely13 said:
es, I know the laws of physics do not apply in A Galaxy Far, Far Away (such as how lightsabers work), but I'd assume that Lucas would at least acknowledge wind chill.
Why? It's a FUCKING MOVIE. Why don't you and this guy go tear apart Predetor or the old Flash Gordon serials or Big Trouble in Little China.

You'd assume he'd acknowledge wind chill? Go read Tom Clancy if you value technical trivia over entertainment.
 

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djrconsoles kr1 said:
I love all the star wars films and will watch them over and over again, and personally really, really enjoyed episode 3, regardless of what some retarded fanboy thinks

Retarded fanboy my ass.

Episodes I-III are to Star Wars what Playmore is to SNK. Cashing out on masterpieces to produce mediocre inferior ports should be punishable by death.
 

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Lovecraft0110 said:
Retarded fanboy my ass.

Episodes I-III are to Star Wars what Playmore is to SNK. Cashing out on masterpieces to produce mediocre inferior ports should be punishable by death.

LOL

Beautiful analogy.
 
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