Highlander67 said:
Another question, Is Bigg Boss alive when the children are cloned or already dead? I thought Solid killed big boss in the NES version of meta gear one right? What was Solid snake a part of back then? Foxhound?
Actually Solid Snake doesn't kill BIG BOSS in
Metal Gear on the NES or in the MSX original. @ the end of the NES version, Snake blows up the Super Computer that is supposedly controlling the Metal Gear TX-55, then he escapes Outer Heaven before it blows up. In the original MSX version, Snake actually must take on the TX-55 and destroys it. *Then later in
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake (the official sequel that's been MSX emulated and English Hacked since 1999, and soon to be playable in MGS 3: Subsistence) Solid Snake makes his way into Zanzibar Land (later retitled "Zanzibar" in MGS which has nothing to do with the actual nation of Zanzibar at all) and more or less does what he does in MGS on the Playstation that was in fact just
MG 2: Solid Snake redone mixed up with the first one but in 3-D, and has waaay too many inconsistencies in the plot, like with Mei Ling having been credited as having created the "Soliton Radar", yet Snake used the exact same thing in #2 called a "Mobile Radar" in 1999?
...ANYHOW, while in Zanzibar he learns that it was Frank Jaeger (Gray Fox) is the one behind having Dr. Petrovich Madnar kidnapped a second time and is in full control of the
Metal Gear "D" model, which made the TX-55 unit look like shit. The unit is destroyed in much the same way as in the first MSX game, and afterwards Solid Snake fights Gray Fox in a mine feild, only to be confronted with BIG BOSS who talks to him in the manner that BOSS does in MGS 3 early on about "The Mission" being the only thing that matters, and that he should look within his warrior self and join him. Solid Snake however says something to the effect of:
"I must shed myself of you, to be free of the nightmare that is you. Big Boss I will kill you!" AND SOLID SNAKE KILLS BIG BOSS RIGHT HERE later escaping Zanzibar on a Helicopter with Holly White.
Highlander67 said:
Okay, so is Big Boss aware that children were cloned from his DNA? Also if Solid Snake was in Foxhound with Big Boss, how could he not tell a resembleance to Big Boss?
I've always been under the impression BIG BOSS knows about the clones and in part probably went along with the project. But then I'm more of a gamer/fan of the pre-SOLID series than I am the Solid stuff. Hideo Kojima added all this cloning stuff in later, so what came before it is the reason Solid Snake cannot tell that Big Boss is his father first in foremost. It just wasn't in the script so to speak. #2> Once this whole "Terrible Infants" Project thing became cannon, I'd have to say from my own point of view, the reason Solid Snake doesn't know about BIG BOSS and what he really is is simple.
When Snake conducted
"Operation Intrude N313" he had never met BIG BOSS at all. In fact he was much like Meryl is in MGS as in that he was a "Rookie" and never feilded before. It was Frank Jaeger under his code name Gray Fox who was initially sent into Outer Heaven 200km north of Salzburg in South Africa by the U.S. government. He was sent in on a Recon to see why Mercenaries had taken over the fortress. Gray Fox learns that it's the Metal Gear, which is only slightly more advanced than the
Shagohod in MGS 3. (but it makes me wonder why the TX-55 is built in the first place if that one Russian designer in MGS 3 already had the plans for the METAL GEAR "REX" version waaay back in 1964 according to the files on the floor in that one scene in MGS 3?) While conducting his operation however, Gray Fox is captured the only message he was able to get out was simply the words "Metal Gear". ---Now with hindsight from MGS 3, this means the brass of the US Government and more to the point the CIA knows damn well what happened back in 1964 with the Shagohod, and having lost control of Jack/Naked Snake/BIG BOSS, understands the ramifications of what it could mean to have a MG unit capable of firing off Nukes from anywhere on the planet. Thus they act quickly.
ANYHOW, it was then decided by BIG BOSS who's actually the commander in chief of "Fox Hound" (his true identity not known to the government somehow) to send in a rookie agent code named Solid Snake who gets help from resistance members in South Africa (Schneider, Jennifer and Diane) to complete the mission Gray Fox couldn't. In his captivity basically Gray Fox has already changed sides in the manner that it appears BOSS has in MGS 3 with Russia @ that games opening. I would think that everything Jack learns in 1964 that bascially molds him into BIG BOSS is explained in much the same manner as it was to him when he was a rookie. Gray Fox basically pulls a Char Aznable to Quattro Bagina (GUNDAM/Zeta GUNDAM) but doesn't make this known when he is rescued by Solid Snake.
After destroying the TX-55 Metal Gear, he runs into Big Boss for the first time, whom I would assume with the whole "Clone" thing thrown into it, BIG BOSS probably doesn't look totally himself at this point. For all we know he's wearing a Commando Hood? Anyhow, he explains in that game to Snake that while he was the commander in chief of "Fox Hound" he also ran a mercenary dispatch company utilizing his connections and capital gained as a mercenary. He was planning to build that force a larger military establishment and he built Outer Heaven as its base. The main reason David/Solid Snake (a rookie I remind you) was sent is that he (BIG BOSS) needed a means of sending disinformation to the US Government & Military + the fact he didn't think Snake would make it that far. So you can look at your second question in two ways.
#1> Going off the original script, Snake is indeed BIG BOSS's son, but not a clone. Probably the result of a one night stand somewhere between MGS 3 and the early 1990s when David/Solid Snake is sent in once Gray Fox failed. Though it probably dawns on BIG BOSS who the kid is somewhere between #1 and #2 and in Darth Vader fashion lets Snake know "I AM YOUR FATHER". Seeing how far his boy grew as a soldier pleases him and he's sincerely hoping he will join him in his aims the second time around the way Frank Jaeger/Gray Fox did. Snake however, has other ideas about this and no real loyalties to BIG BOSS and dispatches him.
#2> OR... going off the MGS added storyline as "Cannon" which it now is, BIG BOSS is aware of the project and may or may not have gone along with it in a very
Armored Trooper VOTOMS way as like Wiseman the GOD Computer & Colonel Yoran Peruzen in that Anime, BIG BOSS is looking for a "Supreme Survivor" of sorts (i.e. the perfect soldier) and basically keeps tabs on Snake at differing points of his life. Being the cunning man he is, Jack/BIG BOSS infiltrates the US Military and somehow becomes the head of "Fox Hound" without them knowing his real identity and the fact he's been doing his own thing for a decade or more. When he sees the opportunity to get Gray Fox on his side he takes it and Gray Fox becomes a believer. Knowing full well who Solid Snake really is, he probably selected him to see if he was worth his salt so to speak and representitary of his genes. If he indeed got far enough along he had intended to recruit Snake into his much larger base of operations. But again, with Snake not knowing his true origins he would not have known his father at all. Him being an old fart and all, missing an eye etcetera it's just not clicking. It's not until Zanzibar Land that he learns this fact and it's not enough to keep him from doing his duty as a soldier. He in fact is the successor to BIG BOSS, just not the successor BIG BOSS (like Wiseman with Chirico Cuvie) is looking for. Years pass and the Shadow Moses incident occurs and it's there he learns of his origin and that he has a brother.
I hope this post of mine helps you out a bit.
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