What do you think when you see the confederate flag?

Honestly now. What does the confederate flag mean to you?

I'd post my thoughts, but I'm more interested in what the general public here thinks.

Maybe after a few people respond.

YEEEEEEEEEHHHHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

Being a blood relative of Robert E Lee I should probably chime in.

It signifies a big loss and has racist ignorance attached to it. That flag is like any other flag. It represents exteme loyalty also.

A little bit of ignorance, and definitely a lot of pride/rebel spirit in the person who is flying it.

Of course i think white trash when its hanging up in the back window of some beater truck.

I think for a lot of people it's still a symbol or resistance, a rebellious spirit. I don't really associate it with a whole lot of racism.

edit: but im from the backwoods

That I wish it was still available under Flags in our profiles.

That people are really back-asswards. I usually quickly scurry off the other direction when I spot one.

Moonshine and everclear.

I think of a bunch of backwater fucks who got their asses kicked in a war almost 150 years ago. A loser flag for loser people.

I think "Follow me to a great all night kegger and wicked bonfire!" Those southern boys sure know how to throw it!

Loopz said:

I think of a bunch of backwater fucks who got their asses kicked in a war almost 150 years ago. A loser flag for loser people.

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Heh, not quite. Man-to-man, northerners would've been slaughtered by southerners. Most southerners were skilled marksmen, and the North was essentially forced to overwhelm the South using numbers and attrition. They're fortunate that they had the factories and superior numbers.

Lots of people like to break down the South into a one-dimensional place where racism is the central defining theme, but like anything else, there's much more beneath the surface. And the values and morals that made up the South are of course much deeper than most people would have us believe.


Today, the flag is little more than a way for white trash to get a rise out of people, but back then it stood for much, much more.

galfordo said:

Heh, not quite. Man-to-man, northerners would've been slaughtered by southerners. Most southerners were skilled marksmen, and the North was essentially forced to overwhelm the South using numbers and attrition. They're fortunate that they had the factories and superior numbers.

Lots of people like to break down the South into a one-dimensional place where racism is the central defining theme, but like anything else, there's much more beneath the surface. And the values and morals that made up the South are of course much deeper than most people would have us believe.


Today, the flag is little more than a way for white trash to get a rise out of people, but back then it stood for much, much more.

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Basically.

I dont think much when I see one. Since I see one almost every day and not just white trash have them on their cars or jackets or wherever.

ps. fuck the north

I think there's a big fuck you to both sides. I mean, now it's played off as a symbol of racism by people who feel morally superior for not being explicitly racist, and then waved around by redneck southerners who do little to prove the arrogan blue state voters wrong.

In reality it was symbol of the south's determination for proper representation under a government that had been taking advantage of them. The wealthy shipping merchants of the north had way too much clout in the government, and southerners knew that they could operate without the north.

The north didn't see themselves operating without the south though, and so it was war. Slaves, racism, etc, were all collateral damage. Blacks would still be slaves here today probably if it wasn't militarily prudent to "emancipate" them. It took, what, 100 years to give them civil rights after that? Jeez, how great is that. 100 years of being free, with nothing but shit under your name. Thanks.

Anyhow, I kind of wish that things could cahnge for the confederate flag. That people might one day be able to see things my way. The way that it is not a symbol of hate, but of how people tried to fight for their independence and lost.

I live in South Carolina.
I think, home.

wasabi said:

The way that it is not a symbol of hate, but of how people tried to fight for their independence and lost.

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This is how I see the Stars & Bars personally. But the only flag I really care about and have always cared about is the single star.



As in The Republic of Texas, which if it was again it be the 5th largest country on planet Earth. But it's a dream of re-succession that I know will never happen. I love the USA, but I love this "It's own little country" state even more. Hell it's got everything you need. Beaches, Rolling Flat Land, Deserts, Swamps, Forrests, Hill Country quasi mountainous, major cities... Hot Women of all nationalites (esp. in SW Texas), you name it. And while we aren't as cool (yet) as Arizona with "Open Carry" Laws, most of the ppl here are nice, mind their business but are armed, willing and able. No freckin' way I could live in some of the states within our bigger union with assanine gun laws, accelerated prices of living which make no common sense, and people here more or less are still pretty genuine. *But whatever.

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The Texas flag is eerily similar to the Cuban.
A little too similar if you ask me.

A weaker Federal government in favor of stronger State government.

Of course, it's hard not to think of the kind of people that have come to use it for various other things. Racism and "Southern-Pride" being two of those.

The Confederate Flag was not the flag of a country, but a war flag.

WOO!

When I think of the confederate flag, I think of the time that I was at a truck stop that was on the way from Arizona to California. I was there with Loopz and another friend and we came across a trucker hat that had the letters "WWBD" on the back. On the front, there was an embroidery of the confederate flag surrounded by the saying "What Would Bubba Do?".

That flag knows no bounds. It is everywhere in the US.

texas would be the 5th largest country?

Texas has 268,601 sq.mi,

#1 Russia 17,075,400 sq km, (6,592,812 sq miles)
#2 Canada 9,330,970 sq km, (3,612,187 sq miles)
#3 China 9,326,410 sq km, (3,600,927 sq miles)
#4 United States 9.166,600 sq km, (3,539,224 sq miles)
#5 Brazil 8,456,510 sq km, (3,265,059 sq miles)
#6 Australia 7,617,930 sq km, (2,941,283 sq miles)
#7 India 2,973,190 sq km, (1,147,949 sq miles)
#8 Argentina 2,736,690 sq km, (1,056,636 sq miles)
#9 Kazakhstan 2,717,300 sq km, (1,049,150 sq miles)
#10 Sudan 2,376,000 sq km, (917,374 sq miles)

Texas has slightly less mass than New Zealand, which is #74. So I guess Texas would be #75, pushing back Gabon to #76.

Haven't read any of the responses but the flag is a flag representing people who wanted change, just like the original US flag, it was formed by people who believed so much that they were right, that they wanted to start their own country.....and failed miserably.

What saddens me the most about the confederate flag is how it is used today....to represent racism, ignorant pride in something they know nothing about, and the ignorant black people who protest over it being waived.

I believe the flag should be waived in the states that choose to hang it next to the US flag but like in Ms a few years back, a black guy camped under it for about 5 months on the beach in protest over the fact the state will proudly waive such a racists flag.

That just proved 2 sterotypes about some but not all black people....they can't live anywhere unless it's government land and are undereducated.....and all this after going to Biloxi for Black Spring Break.

The Civil War was not about slavery until the British were on their way to help the South. It was then Lincoln made the Emancipation Procolmation abolishing slavery and turned the focal point of the war to slavery.

He did such to make England turn back having abolished slavery themselves a few years earlier....they couldn't then help the side that was now fighting for slavery.

Needless to say, the south lost and the country was again unified.

Now over a century later we have inbred white trash waiving the flag screaming "Die Nigger" while the black people protest over the true meaning of the flag......LET IT GO.

My family didn't move here till the Italian Invasion of '14 so I have no past with the flag at all but I still think it is just as important to the history of the southern states as the battlegrounds are themselves.

wasabi said:

texas would be the 5th largest country?

Texas has 268,601 sq.mi,

#1 Russia 17,075,400 sq km, (6,592,812 sq miles)
#2 Canada 9,330,970 sq km, (3,612,187 sq miles)
#3 China 9,326,410 sq km, (3,600,927 sq miles)
#4 United States 9.166,600 sq km, (3,539,224 sq miles)
#5 Brazil 8,456,510 sq km, (3,265,059 sq miles)
#6 Australia 7,617,930 sq km, (2,941,283 sq miles)
#7 India 2,973,190 sq km, (1,147,949 sq miles)
#8 Argentina 2,736,690 sq km, (1,056,636 sq miles)
#9 Kazakhstan 2,717,300 sq km, (1,049,150 sq miles)
#10 Sudan 2,376,000 sq km, (917,374 sq miles)

Texas has slightly less mass than New Zealand, which is #74. So I guess Texas would be #75, pushing back Gabon to #76.

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I didn't mean in terms of overall size Literally, I'm speaking of both the size and the quality of life it would project if such a re-succession (and it's the one state that is capbable of doing it) were to ever occur. It's larger than most European nations that make up the whole of Europe and other places, and is easily one of the biggest states in our union. Hell you can travel a good portion of Europe and even cross several states here in a matter of hours, Texas on the other hand is one of the places that if you began at one extreme end and were going to the other, you could drive 12 hours and still not be in another state. With it's wide variety of geography, and handled correctly (meaning with enough thought put into it and the ppl backing such an idea) we've got the Ports & Beaches, Seriously Untapped Petoleum/Oil resources, it's a tourist attraction for the whole damn planet in numerous cities and even smaller areas. Really it would just be a matter of having to equip and train it's own army/airforce & navy to patrol the GOM, with more than enough land to continue building on, and printing up our own money which is moot since it's only a matter of time before everything goes electronic debit anyhow. Thus by 5th largest I was A> going off of an old breakdown I did back in 1991, and B> thinking in terms of service, union, tourism, exporting and other aveunes.

I do see what you are driving at though. My bad, and a dream that I know will never happen. It just be nice to be able to be apart of something that is from the ground up instead of having to go along with a state set of laws, but those laws and way of living can ultimately be overruled by the much bigger Union. ---But then ("Unrelated Here") I'm the guy who always rooted for and would have been with the Principality of Zeon rather than the Earth Federation in GUNDAM, and always saw the EF as the bad guys (as they later became in ZG) ... thus it's the same difference I guess. ***OH YEAH, WHICH IS WHY I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE Confederate Flag or what it originally stood for. There were injustices down here in the south, but they're injustices everywhere and it takes people with grit and determination to do anything about it. The fact that the South tried their best to keep the lower part of the Union it's own separatist nation within a nation was actually quite admirable.

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wasabi said:

In reality it was symbol of the south's determination for proper representation under a government that had been taking advantage of them.

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I agree. When teaching the civil war to students, especially in public education, it seems like the in thing to do is to demonize the South as an opressive, backwards tyranny. It seems the history teachers forget to mention that the CSA was in fact a democracy.

I wouldn't fly the confederate flag (i r a yank) but i sure would fly a gadsden: http://www.gadsden.info/

WAR OF NORTHERN AGGRESSION

In seriousness: Anyone know any good books on the civil war? I don't want to read a book strictly about military tactics (have a few of those anyway). Looking for a book(s) that deal with the overall politics of the war at home and abroad.

edit: my great great grandaddy fought in the civil war. we still have his sword

Its the turning point in american history when you think about it, it represents the deepest loosing disgrace. If the south had won, imagine how things would be today? There are so many amazing things that could have happened. Things that would be readily acceptable if we had gotten used to them.

wasabi said:

Honestly now. What does the confederate flag mean to you?

I'd post my thoughts, but I'm more interested in what the general public here thinks.

Maybe after a few people respond.

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I see it just as a flag, nothing more. But what I've neevr understood is why some people in the south cling to it so hard - - and I used to live in the south. Whenever I hear some tard talking about the "south will rise again" I just think: get a grip and move on...you weren't even around for the war, so quit the wannabe general routine.

Being in GA, I've had to deal with several years of media bullshit over the confederate flag being in our state flag. Even though it's now gone, the fight to get it back isn't over.

Personaly, I think of ignorant rednecks riding jacked up 4x4's when I see it. You get far enough outside Atlanta and you'll see these works of art, which is why I tend to stay where the buses run.