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ying123
06-02-2005, 07:22 AM
2005年6月4日、5日「THE KING OF FIGHTERS XI」ロケテスト実施!
■ロケテスト実施店舗=======================
・クラブセガ 秋葉原
・シャトーEX 京橋
http://www.snkplaymore.jp/official/kof-xi/index.html

beelzebubble
06-02-2005, 10:17 AM
ill be there again (sunday) and be reporting about it as usual....

Orochi Iori Y
06-02-2005, 11:07 AM
Nice... I hope someone sneaks out of there with some good pix this time. :D

Hmkay
06-02-2005, 11:12 AM
I expect Duck and the others to be playable this time... Maybe not all of them though.

Amano Jacu
06-02-2005, 11:19 AM
Send some Solid Snake cosplayer to take the pics undetected thanks to stealth... :cool:

Mark of the Wolves
06-02-2005, 11:31 AM
I can't wait to here the reports.

k'_127
06-02-2005, 11:44 AM
remember that all we need is photos. take 4 pictures; one from the front, one from the front left corner, one from the front right corner, and one that shows the NGF logo on the left side of the cab.

beelzebubble
06-02-2005, 12:12 PM
again they will be strict on ppl taking photos.

i still dont have a camera so maybe someone else will brave the security and come up with photos.

RBjakeSpecial
06-02-2005, 04:23 PM
again they will be strict on ppl taking photos.

i still dont have a camera so maybe someone else will brave the security and come up with photos.

I pulled out my phone to answer it and I had staff all over me. I don't think I can take any pictures.

C'mon playable Eiji. EIJI.

DevilRedeemed
06-02-2005, 04:29 PM
there is a way but it would mean you would need 2 phones that look very similar or the same.
it would be a case of taking pictures on the sly, alternating between the the camera phones. if caught you would hand over the camera phone. little would they know you where using 2 such devices. there are 101 ways to do these things but I'm silly like that.

Hmkay
06-02-2005, 04:31 PM
I pulled out my phone to answer it and I had staff all over me. I don't think I can take any pictures.
Well, if there were 2 of you, one could attract all the staff with his cell phone, while the other one would take pictures. :p

Korigama
06-02-2005, 04:35 PM
The answer? (http://store.yahoo.com/carspyusa/jabo007zilis.html)

Cavalry
06-02-2005, 05:34 PM
The answer? (http://store.yahoo.com/carspyusa/jabo007zilis.html)

wow thats awesome, but what if there's no smoking!?

KRONOS
06-02-2005, 07:11 PM
I'm not advocating doing something illegal, but for the sake of curiotsity here's one way to take stealthy pics.

Empty a quart-size carton drink (preferably something with a dark box so that the camera lens isn't as obvious) and make a small hole for the lens. Tape your digi-cam inside so that it stays in the right position. Go to the bathroom set the cam to movie mode so you have a better chance of getting something decent. Walk out (with finger over the hole, pretending to be drinking with a straw) And, when no one is looking.....

dragonwillow
06-02-2005, 07:17 PM
Here's one! Steal security camera footage O_O

dark_RYO
06-02-2005, 08:22 PM
One more test?! Wow! :drool:
But, i wanna see a site with more information like NGBC... some pictures will be great! :buttrock:

beelzebubble
06-02-2005, 08:49 PM
I'm not advocating doing something illegal, but for the sake of curiotsity here's one way to take stealthy pics.

Empty a quart-size carton drink (preferably something with a dark box so that the camera lens isn't as obvious) and make a small hole for the lens. Tape your digi-cam inside so that it stays in the right position. Go to the bathroom set the cam to movie mode so you have a better chance of getting something decent. Walk out (with finger over the hole, pretending to be drinking with a straw) And, when no one is looking.....

are you not going to the test?

DevilRedeemed
06-02-2005, 09:17 PM
I'm not advocating doing something illegal, but for the sake of curiotsity here's one way to take stealthy pics.

Empty a quart-size carton drink (preferably something with a dark box so that the camera lens isn't as obvious) and make a small hole for the lens. Tape your digi-cam inside so that it stays in the right position. Go to the bathroom set the cam to movie mode so you have a better chance of getting something decent. Walk out (with finger over the hole, pretending to be drinking with a straw) And, when no one is looking.....

that's mad. someone should try that.

KRONOS
06-02-2005, 09:55 PM
are you not going to the test?

That's that pocket-sized arcade in Kyobashi, right? I think I'll get out there...

yashiroTCM
06-02-2005, 11:03 PM
Please become the first guys that turned into world wide Heroes by being incredibly Illegal. :make_fac:

suggested Trick: Wear a Cap and find a way to hide a mini camera there with a small hole or something like that

Trick 2: Get a camera with extra zoom and find an area as far form the security dudes as possible and film. (Just pretend you are a Terrorist Sniper :D)

Trick 3: Wear a couple of black Gloves (ala K') hide THIS (http://www.pimall.com/nais/2004.spycam.html) on it, and rock it on!

PLZ bring us some pics!!!!!!!!!!!! :(

Mr.Nemoperson
06-02-2005, 11:19 PM
suggested Trick: Wear a Cap and find a way to hide a mini camera there with a small hole or something like that
(

http://www.stupidness.net/archives/images/undercoverhomer.jpg

Diavle18
06-03-2005, 08:42 AM
Here's hoping for a redrawn Iori. *doesn't hold his breath*

RBjakeSpecial
06-04-2005, 01:52 AM
Just got back after spending an hour at the loc test. I only got to play once. All the characters were playable.

Eiji- They just took his 95 sprite and touched it up. He's got new kick animations though.

Nobody played Duck.

All the stages were the same. There was one that I didn't see at the last loc test. It was very Fatal Fury Special Terry stage. There's a beach in the background and you are in some sort of grassy area. GIs are on the side hanging out. It looks incredible.

There is was a lot of canceling. I saw one person cancel a SDM into a MaxSDM. Eiji could cancel his fire ball into his super fireball.

Doulong is back and bitchy as ever.

Kula has a cool looking Icicle (or however you spell that word) air projectile.

Very impressed. This looks a LOT better than noe wave and it's running on the same hardward.

This summer, NBC, SStenka, Hokutonoken, and K0FXI for atomis wave. Things are looking better.

Orochi Iori Y
06-04-2005, 01:59 AM
Very cool that all characters were playable... :D Nobody played Duck? What the fuck? :mad: Can't wait to see some still or a video of this game.

SouthtownKid
06-04-2005, 02:03 AM
All the stages were the same. There was one that I didn't see at the last loc test. It was very Fatal Fury Special Terry stage. There's a beach in the background and you are in some sort of grassy area. GIs are on the side hanging out. It looks incredible.?? It was on a train? Or do you mean 'Real Bout Special'? (hoping for on a train)

RBjakeSpecial
06-04-2005, 02:17 AM
?? It was on a train? Or do you mean 'Real Bout Special'? (hoping for on a train)

Crap! I always mess up names and stuff. From Real Bout Fatal Fury special. Wasn't on a train unfortunately, that would be amazing. Garou's train stage has always been one of my favorite.

SouthtownKid
06-04-2005, 02:23 AM
Crap! I always mess up names and stuff. From Real Bout Fatal Fury special. Wasn't on a train unfortunately, that would be amazing. Garou's train stage has always been one of my favorite.Oh well, still cool.

And thanks for the report...sounds fun, although I can predict people being upset Eiji being based off his '95 sprite. Can't wait to try it.

Fygee
06-04-2005, 02:38 AM
Eiji- They just took his 95 sprite and touched it up. He's got new kick animations though.

YUCK

bloodriot
06-04-2005, 03:48 AM
so far other sites aren't being very favourable as far as grafix goes

iggy mmfcafe says snk are lazy etc
rbj neo geo like teh grafix
and srk says boo copy and paste from mmcafe

eh well I actually liked eiji's kicking move animation it made a really cool sound too iirc, lets at least hope that they touch up the sprites for the final version like mai

Stephane
06-04-2005, 06:55 AM
I saw one person cancel a SDM into a MaxSDM.

:buttrock: holy shit, KOF is more and more interesting :glee:

NeoDragoN
06-04-2005, 07:48 AM
Just got back after spending an hour at the loc test. I only got to play once. All the characters were playable.

Eiji- They just took his 95 sprite and touched it up. He's got new kick animations though.


AHAHAHAHHAAHHA

I don't even know why i even think they'll redraw people in KOF anymore...

k'_127
06-04-2005, 08:12 AM
Eiji looked cool (but a bit skinny) in KOF95, so I have no problem with that. still, I think the sprites are just too old for the cut and paste job, unless they do a lot of touching up.

so far so good. I'm only waiting for more characters. too many are missing .... Robert, Mai, Joe, ... etc.

k'_127
06-04-2005, 08:22 AM
hmmm from Iggy:

- Duo Lon has a new super with kick coming out from the ground. He is a weak character now.


- Eiji's sprite is not same as KOF95.


:conf:


EDIT: he propably meant that Eiji's sprites were just "edited" to match the newer sprites.


also more info here:

http://www.cyberfanatix.com/

k'_127
06-04-2005, 08:27 AM
here is Iggy's report at mmcafe:


All characters are usable. Whip has a new super where she moves forward while whipping, laughably bad.
Maxima’s D is new, looks like Daimon’s. His jump D is also new, drop kick.
Duolon has a new super with his legs coming out of the ground (XNDL?). He’s super weak and stiff.
Kensu has that move he had in 99. His leader super is new, he puts the hand to the ground and sends energy in it, power wave. New pose, new clothes.
Momoko is supremely kimoi. Her move list is in hiragana, phoenix arrow, become a star, esper… Interesting how they managed to disgust even the perverts from the very move list. “Ichiban Momoko ikimasu”, hip attackx3 like Iori’s move… She makes weird pikopiko sounds when she walks. Her throw swallows from very far away. Oh, and she’s supposed to use capoera? Someone says Richard Mayer Midnight Bliss would look like this.
Ramon is the same. His leader is his MAX2 (new name?).
Janet is the same as in MOTW.
Duck King looks like the 00 striker. The Break Spiral command has NOT been simplified : 4123698 kick. At least that’s good…
Iori copipe copipe. His new moves makes him use just the finish animation of the Saika.
Eiji’s leader super is an air move. Nothing much new here. It’s not his 95 sprite, he’s been arranged to post 96 proportions (his intro against a kyokugen team member comes from Billy/Iori’s intro in 98 (copicopicopipe). His moves have a lot of priority, no lag… Duolon->Eiji.
Alps no shôjo Adelheid has a new Kaiser Wave. His protection and power are multiplied, he’s über strong (he’s the middle boss).
The last boss is 中国が舞台の映画で、事件が起きたら真っ先に不幸が振りかかりそうな感じの村娘. HAHAHAHAHA. She’s quite weak compared to Heidi.


http://www.mmcafe.com/cgi-bin/forums/bbs/messages/11019.shtml

RBjakeSpecial
06-04-2005, 12:09 PM
I have been known to be wrong on a lot of occasions. I saw a guy killing people right and left racking up ten wins with Doulong. Maybe the player was really really good, I can't say.

It's still way to early to comment confidently about character balance. Especially me, I've only played it twice.

Yes Eiji's sprite is not the same on from kof 95. Eiji's sprite looks a lot like his 95 sprite with just a cosmetic layer of polish over it. Sorry for the confusion over this. I was hoping he would look a bit different.

Beelzebubble will sort us out! I'm going to akihabara early tomorrow morning, I'll try to pop my head in and check the game out again.

Sorry for the unclear info. More will roll in I'm sure.

Mark of the Wolves
06-04-2005, 12:31 PM
Take one for the team and sneak out some pics guys.

nazi muerto abono pa mi huerto
06-04-2005, 02:23 PM
For those who have been in any beta test, please, inform us of every news respect 2003, any new move, new DM, new animation for that attack, any removed move, anything, we will be very happy with any fresh information, everything you can remember, please, post it!

for example, they finally removed the dp A/B/C/D Whip attack?

k'_127
06-04-2005, 03:38 PM
I have been known to be wrong on a lot of occasions. I saw a guy killing people right and left racking up ten wins with Doulong. Maybe the player was really really good, I can't say.

It's still way to early to comment confidently about character balance. Especially me, I've only played it twice.

Yes Eiji's sprite is not the same on from kof 95. Eiji's sprite looks a lot like his 95 sprite with just a cosmetic layer of polish over it. Sorry for the confusion over this. I was hoping he would look a bit different.

Beelzebubble will sort us out! I'm going to akihabara early tomorrow morning, I'll try to pop my head in and check the game out again.

Sorry for the unclear info. More will roll in I'm sure.

no, your report wasn't wrong and it was pretty much appreciated :)

Eiji's sprites ware a touched up version of the 95 ones, as you said.
and that guy could be wrong about Doulon as well.

Stephane
06-04-2005, 05:27 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/lordstephane/screen2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/lordstephane/screen1.jpg


source : http://www.cyberfanatix.com/

beelzebubble
06-05-2005, 01:50 AM
kof xi loke test no.2 report (sunday):

- last boss is a mizuchi looking guy who seems to be part alien and neodio as well. he floats above the ground ala mizuchi iirc and seems to be dressed in a similar manner with similar marks on his upper body. his eyes are just blue ovals though and he looks crazy with his hair back ala sonic or something. he has a crazy twisted body stance/style despite being really tall. he's crazy strong and uses a pink/white energy. his bg is like the 97 orochi one though at night and with two giant demon thing statues. he can turn transparent, do an arm teleport attack ala the mummy in darkstalkers and when he attacks with limbs they go rubbery and he sorta flails them. cool points = 7/10

- 2nd last boss is the one iggy mentioned. a very thin youngish looking chinese girl sorta dressed in a traditional chinese suit (the ones children wear with shorts not long pants) and carries a staff. her movement and stance/poses look cool and when you beat her before you go onto the last boss theres a short cutscene and the close up of her face makes her look like something out of the ring or a zombie. cool points = 8.5/10 (card man is like 9.5/10)

- ash has a new j.C and s.C. both arms back like a hawk diving or soemthing. looks pretty cool. ground one is similar sort of thing.

- alley is a stage i didnt see last time. its in front of the pao pao and is a hood type area at night with the spectators lurking in the shadows in the background.

- ugh the sprites really irk me. i just cant get over how low detail they are. the faces are all going the way of malin seemingly made up of only a few pixels with big eyes and mouths... i swear they look better in 2k3. which sucks coz otherwise aesthetically speaking its a really nice package. the interface and win screens etc are all really slick with the ingame after win screens seemingly done buy falcoon or the guy who just started doing art recently (okuda?) hard to tell but i like the look.

- i still dont like the feel of it. 2k3 feels better imo.

- eiji has a new face and seems chunkier. all energy effects are new and he has a new move that seems to have ripped zantetsu command throw (cloak grab) and hanzos air super off.. he cloak grabs you on the ground then does the hanzo split into 2 air beat down move... ninja heritage or just laziness?

- cool lens flair effect on hawaii (??) stage.

- momoko has dredds... looks about 12 years old.. is dressed like richard from ff or eddie gordo sort of.. indeed seems to be doing capoeira.. very small.

- judgement seems to be on momentum, damage done and combos (which give you lots of bar).

-maxima has a new s.D which is an awkward high kick.

-sie's stance has changed. his face is also rerdrawn. his fb is as 2k2 but his 99 dash punch is qcf or hcf. looks like hes lost his three part forward moving attack. hes got some funky color variations and is nice to play.

Fygee
06-05-2005, 02:03 AM
That last boss sounds cool as hell!

Still a bit peeved that they didn't just completely redo Eiji from scratch.

Thanks for the info. :)

bloodriot
06-05-2005, 05:35 AM
How's that timer working having many timeouts or what? better than 2k3's timer?

dark_RYO
06-05-2005, 07:46 AM
- momoko has dredds... looks about 12 years old.. is dressed like richard from ff or eddie gordo sort of.. indeed seems to be doing capoeira.. very small.

She really looks like this?! :eek:
That's fuckin' COOL! :buttrock:
I f she were older...

NeoDragoN
06-05-2005, 07:52 AM
I wanna see Kensu's new clothes!! :buttrock:

Shito
06-05-2005, 09:39 AM
Game seems pretty interesting, yet what kills me is it's nothing like we're getting now 50+ charas on AW coz NG carts were OMG OMG memory resticted, nope... the game we're getting now would proprbaly fit on a GIgaPower NG cart, just with matching res for sprites and bgs... :rolleyes:

Guys, I don't know you, but I feel THAT depressed thinking the MVS was finally canned JUST for piracy/emulation/ bootlegging reasons... that's the final let down to me. :oh_no: :crying:

Yamazaki_RJ
06-05-2005, 10:14 AM
So she's really a capoerist!? Ok, a chinese capoerist named Momoko... Let's see how it'll be in the game.

The bosses looking cool, too. I want more information about Duck... No one picking him?

Thanks, Beelzebubble. You're the man.

dfx
06-05-2005, 11:44 AM
iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori, iori,iori,
.....
pplz please say something about iori!
is he redrawn?

whats about his moves? new ones?

.....
iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori, :help: iori,iori,

Cavalry
06-05-2005, 12:16 PM
So whats teh music like!?

krakov
06-05-2005, 12:23 PM
when are the new sprites coming on the aw, for any new playmore fighter? everything so far has been cut & paste and nothing new.

I would dare to say that NGBC alone has at least 10 new sprites.
But i guess you are refering to high-res sprites, which imho is pretty overrated.

Mark of the Wolves
06-05-2005, 12:29 PM
I have given up hope that there will ever be new sprites. SNK Playmore doesn't care as long as they still get played well.

Shito
06-05-2005, 12:50 PM
iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori, iori,iori,
.....
pplz please say something about iori!
is he redrawn?

whats about his moves? new ones?

.....
iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori,iori, :help: iori,iori,

Iggy says he's pure cut&paste with a new move, still cutted&pasted as for animation frames...

Hmkay
06-05-2005, 12:55 PM
I wish Playmore secretly started making new high quality sprites ever since they anounced they'd move to the AW, and would just release rehash fest games until all the new sprites are ready... :rolleyes:

obake
06-05-2005, 12:57 PM
So the new boss is a evil version of Card Captor Sakura! The other one looks stupid.

OrochiEddie
06-05-2005, 01:52 PM
I like what I hear. I certainly will play this KOF as well

orochi_lubu
06-05-2005, 02:28 PM
wow. thanks for the 411. please keep us posted as soon as you can. :cool:

nazi muerto abono pa mi huerto
06-05-2005, 02:28 PM
I wish Playmore secretly started making new high quality sprites ever since they anounced they'd move to the AW, and would just release rehash fest games until all the new sprites are ready... :rolleyes:

http://www.wfcmac.coop/coops/alliance/annualmeeting/photgallery/images/Ed-laugh.jpghttp://www.livinglifebetter.co.uk/images/hr-pictures/laughing.jpg
http://horses.cz/images/horse%20laughing.jpg

KRONOS
06-05-2005, 11:59 PM
I also attended the beta. As far as character sprites goes, I'd definatley say it's one of the more weaker points in the game. It'd be wise at this point for SNKP to at least add some more in-between animation-it's fucking Atomswave and yet they can't do MOTW animation quality with a KOF size roster? More like, won't do it. At least give us the sharpness of Neo sprites.

However, Duck King looks cool, Eiji is alright I guess, Oswald has a kind of Guilty Gearness to him in his stance and moves, kind of cool though. Most of the old cast are well... old and redundant with a few new moves etc., like Ryo has a dashing rudeness elbow that just zips across the screen. The last boss looks like Mizuchi and an electric eel combined with a floating panzy stance. hooray.

While the backgrounds are hi-res, they're very static. Stages I liked: the grassy army stage-simple but cool, alley stage, Japanese tatami room, and the aqueduct stage. I hated the snow stage... so bland. The character portraits are simple, but well-drawn (similar style to 2k3). All the white used in this title seems to go against the spirit of being a fighter game. The stage intros remind of a Calpis Water label.

Though tough to hear, the sounds and music seemed great. Especially the music, lots of drum beats... good shit.

Though I didn't play, it looks as stiff as 2K3 (which I was more impressed with). So, this game may quickly become unpopular as did 2k3. Though I liked 2k3, I rarely saw it being played whenever I went to an arcade in Osaka. Word.

Kazuya_UK
06-06-2005, 06:49 AM
Thanks for the reports KRONOS. I hope you don't mind, but I posted what you said on my site... I credited you and linked back to this thread though of course :)

News post on my site (http://www.neogeoforlife.com/#fus_114)

Kaz

Hmkay
06-06-2005, 09:05 AM
10 new sprites in a game with 40 characters, yay thats so much trouble they went for, just for us. :oh_no:
NBC has well over 10 new sprites... I'm counting at least 15 brand new sprites or something, not counting edits, almost half the roster... Did any SNK KoF introduce that many at once after KoF 94 ? I don't think so.

And I'm not a fan of Garou sprites personally... They animate well, but they're tiny.

nazi muerto abono pa mi huerto
06-06-2005, 09:09 AM
NBC actually has 16 new sprites counting the 2 bosses, an excelent number coming from playmore...

KRONOS
06-06-2005, 06:45 PM
Thanks for the reports KRONOS. I hope you don't mind, but I posted what you said on my site... I credited you and linked back to this thread though of course :)

News post on my site (http://www.neogeoforlife.com/#fus_114)

Kaz

Thanks-it's no prob. But, had I known someone would actually pay attention to my post, I would have written in more tender fashion, for the kids :glee:

KRONOS
06-06-2005, 07:00 PM
With any luck SNKP is reading through this thread, and maybe they even care. Honestly, I think it was this site that helped put Eiji into KOF 11. That guy's like Boba Fett; showed up only a couple of times in the series, but has a following verging on the religious.

So, SNKP if you're reading, this is what we NEED:

1. HI RES SPRITES AT LEAST AS CLEAR AS THE NEO-GEO.

1. ANIMATION AS GOOD AS MOTW RETAINING THE SPRITE SIZE AND ROSTER OF
KOF.

(puts hands together and offers a small prayer ;) )

roker
06-06-2005, 08:38 PM
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Spike Spiegel
06-06-2005, 08:49 PM
I'm here to say that Eiji's gay. He's never been cool, and I could care less that he's in KOF. Why's so few people not raving about Duck King? That's what I wanna know.

k'_127
06-06-2005, 09:19 PM
that facts that Eiji is a ninja and that he is secretly in love with Mai Shiranui make him cool by default.



Andy: Mai, don't participate in this year's tournament.

Mai: Why!?

Andy: Eiji will be there.



hmmmm ..... it's clear now.

SouthtownKid
06-06-2005, 09:41 PM
Eiji is a ninja and that he is secretly in love with Mai Shiranuino...only in the made up english "translation" of his AOF2 ending.

And as for this site being responsible for Eiji's return, I don't know about that... Wasn't there a sidebar in one of Arcadia's NBC articles saying how they wished Eiji had made it into Battle Coliseum? He must have some kind of following over there, too. I like Lin better, personally.

k'_127
06-06-2005, 10:06 PM
no...only in the made up engrish "translation" of his AOF2 ending.

he couldn't say it in Japanese, fearing he would be kicked out from his clan, but he had to confess in a way or another. so he thought he would say it in engrish.

I'm sure.

dark_RYO
06-07-2005, 08:42 AM
With any luck SNKP is reading through this thread, and maybe they even care. Honestly, I think it was this site that helped put Eiji into KOF 11. That guy's like Boba Fett; showed up only a couple of times in the series, but has a following verging on the religious.

So, SNKP if you're reading, this is what we NEED:

1. HI RES SPRITES AT LEAST AS CLEAR AS THE NEO-GEO.

1. ANIMATION AS GOOD AS MOTW RETAINING THE SPRITE SIZE AND ROSTER OF
KOF.

(puts hands together and offers a small prayer ;) )
Yes! And one more thing:
1. NEW MOVES FOR RYO. HE WAS A GOD AND NOW... :oh_no:

Lashujin
06-11-2005, 08:33 PM
Duck king Rocks, wheres the info on him?????

SPINMASTER X
06-11-2005, 09:37 PM
I am happy duck king's in there being that he used to be my fav back in the day.

Otherwise, fuck it. Back to my routine of playin KOF 98 for the past 7 years. If they get it right i might put KOF 98 down for 2 seconds.

LWK
06-11-2005, 09:39 PM
I am happy duck king's in there being that he used to be my fav back in the day.

Otherwise, fuck it. Back to my routine of playin KOF 98 for the past 7 years. If they get it right i might put KOF 98 down for 2 seconds.


Haha I agree with this, the only game I enjoy outside is kof 2002. Max mode is the best new addition, but everyone hates it. Probably I whore out fast kills cause im a fucking cheap whore with it.

syringe
06-11-2005, 09:39 PM
.

HOLY SHIT IT'S 2002!

SPINMASTER X
06-11-2005, 09:45 PM
I really and truly don't understand what the fuck playmore's problem is. Giving us what we want = more money.

quit fuckin around.

you don't have to have fuckin super duper awesome Guilty Gear resolution sprites with MOTW/SF3 animation, just give us something thats comparable to CvS2 sprites and we can call it good. Jeez, how fuckin hard is it.

i hope they are just fuckin about, and releasing bs games and in the meantime makin nice sprites, cuz i can't take it anymore, i've had it.

now where the hell is my KOF 98 game. :very_ang:

LWK
06-11-2005, 10:32 PM
I really and truly don't understand what the fuck playmore's problem is. Giving us what we want = more money.

quit fuckin around.

you don't have to have fuckin super duper awesome Guilty Gear resolution sprites with MOTW/SF3 animation, just give us something thats comparable to CvS2 sprites and we can call it good. Jeez, how fuckin hard is it.

i hope they are just fuckin about, and releasing bs games and in the meantime makin nice sprites, cuz i can't take it anymore, i've had it.

now where the hell is my KOF 98 game. :very_ang:

haha man I just want my cd hits back, I need to seriously sit down with neowave..

k'_127
06-11-2005, 11:38 PM
now where the hell is my KOF 98 game. :very_ang:

I already have the roms

k'_127
06-11-2005, 11:48 PM
I really and truly don't understand what the fuck playmore's problem is. Giving us what we want = more money.

quit fuckin around.

you don't have to have fuckin super duper awesome Guilty Gear resolution sprites with MOTW/SF3 animation, just give us something thats comparable to CvS2 sprites and we can call it good. Jeez, how fuckin hard is it.

i hope they are just fuckin about, and releasing bs games and in the meantime makin nice sprites, cuz i can't take it anymore, i've had it.

now where the hell is my KOF 98 game. :very_ang:

I hope you didn't skip KOF2003 just because you thought Ash was gay.

dude, 2003 was the shit as far as "fun" gameplay is concerned.

and if you're looking for new sprities, check NGBC (http://www.snkplaymore.jp/official/nbc/download/index.html) (also keep in mind that this "may" not be the complete roster of KOF XI)


EDIT: I figured out you might be talking about the animish look of the faces, which I would agree with you on. still, new sprites, old sprites, high-res or not .... I personaly don't give a damn, as long as it has a solid gameplay and excellent roster.

uh and welcome back :)

TaintedEdge
06-12-2005, 03:23 AM
I really and truly don't understand what the fuck playmore's problem is. Giving us what we want = more money.

quit fuckin around.

you don't have to have fuckin super duper awesome Guilty Gear resolution sprites with MOTW/SF3 animation, just give us something thats comparable to CvS2 sprites and we can call it good. Jeez, how fuckin hard is it.

i hope they are just fuckin about, and releasing bs games and in the meantime makin nice sprites, cuz i can't take it anymore, i've had it.

now where the hell is my KOF 98 game. :very_ang:

I know how you feel man about SNKP not updating their graphics. But you must realize something; SNKPlaymore is preserving what SNK had and updating it. CVS2 graphics aren't exactly comparable to KOF's graphics. Capcom's artists did some pretty bad sprite creations of the SNK characters. Now, what you mean by Garou is adding more graphical effect, which is a good thing. NBC is good example of updating most out of date sprites and sprite effects (ex: Hoahmaru and his Senpuu Retsuzan effect), but it's still no excuse for adding new frames and effects to the KOF characters. I see that disappointment in KOFXI.

More "High Res" means that sprites would be drawn bigger, not really enhanced by any way. Guilty Gear is a good example, but it seems that they got lazy when drawing the frames for their characters.

I still like the 320X240 sprites, but I believe there is a better way of blending them in with the backgrounds, instead of the "Photoshopped" effect. And for all those people out there who are dissing SNK's sprites, I say, shame on you. How dare you insult the hard work and effort SNK put into those sprites. But SNKP needs to update those graphical effects similar to that of Garou's.

SNKP's games aren't bad either; I hear that NBC has decent gameplay. So please, next time, before you know the facts, don't go off ranting about SNKP over and over again. If you hate their new games, you can just go back to playing KOF98, until your eyes melt.

Hmkay
06-12-2005, 03:54 AM
Capcom's artists did some pretty bad sprite creations of the SNK characters.
I disagree.


More "High Res" means that sprites would be drawn bigger, not really enhanced by any way
They would be bigger pixel-wise, but would appear about the same size in-game... Just that pixels on those sprite would appear twice smaller, and so those sprites would be twice more detailed... That is to say it would definitely be a step up.
You're making it sound like sprite resolution doesn't matter, which isn't the case... If it was, Playmore would be making sprites similar to those of SS and KoF on Game Boy.

TaintedEdge
06-12-2005, 04:42 AM
I disagree.


They would be bigger pixel-wise, but would appear about the same size in-game... Just that pixels on those sprite would appear twice smaller, and so those sprites would be twice more detailed... That is to say it would definitely be a step up.
You're making it sound like sprite resolution doesn't matter, which isn't the case... If it was, Playmore would be making sprites similar to those of SS and KoF on Game Boy.

Not really, have you seen the size of the NBC sprites? They're not "small" in comparision to the rest of the game, since all the porportions are correct.

Hmkay
06-12-2005, 04:52 AM
Not really, have you seen the size of the NBC sprites? They're not "small" in comparision to the rest of the game, since all the porportions are correct.
Ahem, it doesn't look like you understood what I meant...
The new sprites in NBC are low res ones (like the Neo ones), but they're displayed twice bigger to match the high resolution, hence the fact you can see their pixels that well (despite the filter)...

This is still irrelevent to what I was saying.

TaintedEdge
06-12-2005, 05:15 AM
Sorry about that. I do believe I mention that there could be better filters for the Sprites...


I still like the 320X240 sprites, but I believe there is a better way of blending them in with the backgrounds, instead of the "Photoshopped" effect.
The the "Photoshop" effect is basically expanding the sprite and adding a blur touch to it. Maybe a filter can be made to keep the quality of the sprite the same and reduce the jaggedness to it without blurring it.

As far as the details go... I think the 320x240 sprites are good when it comes to detail. I really don't how much more detail you need.

Hmkay
06-12-2005, 05:44 AM
Well, I think you're just too used to those low res sprites...

As for filters, you're right. They could use much better ones that don't give a blurred effect... There are better filters out there, that look cleaner and sharper, as you can see with some emulators...
Here's a random example of a filter made by an amateur: http://2xpm.freeservers.com/shots.htm

TaintedEdge
06-12-2005, 05:51 AM
Yes, I am. I guess I can't let go of that classic Neo Geo look. We all know SNKP has good filters, they used a decent one for KOF94:Rebout sprites. I even heard that the PS2 port of NeoWave has a setting to change the way the sprites are filtered.

Who knows? Maybe SNKP will that feature to more of their ports. But for the sake of humanity, bring the blood and gore back to Samurai Shodown!

Hmkay
06-12-2005, 05:55 AM
You're confused... Rebout sprites aren't filtered, but got resized x2 and reworked. They are true high res sprites.

TaintedEdge
06-12-2005, 06:07 AM
Ah, your right. Right now the only SNKP that visually interests me is NeoGeo Battle Coliseum. Even though it has that stupid blur effect, some of those attacks look sick. Haohmaru's Tenha Seiou Zan special and Tung Fu Rue's "Kamehameha" special look visually tasty.

Hmkay
06-12-2005, 06:41 AM
From SNKP, I'm only looking forward to SS Tenka...

SPINMASTER X
06-13-2005, 06:29 PM
I And for all those people out there who are dissing SNK's sprites, I say, shame on you. How dare you insult the hard work and effort SNK put into those sprites. .

:lol:

LWK
06-13-2005, 06:35 PM
:lol:


Well he is sorta right about that. I think they did a bang up job on making some old faves look more mature in ngbc.
Asura so bad ass.

They worked pretty hard on ngbc, even I gotta admit it looks pretty nice.

SPINMASTER X
06-13-2005, 06:51 PM
NGBC doesn't count.....cuz it has geese in it. it could have 2 frames of animation for everything for all i care, just as long as Geese is in it.

jeff bogard
06-13-2005, 08:12 PM
NGBC doesn't count.....cuz it has geese in it. it could have 2 frames of animation for everything for all i care, just as long as Geese is in it.


welcome back

I really don't give a shit about sprites, animations, backgrounds, whatever... blue mary isn't in it=crap for nbc....

the gameplay from svc and kof 2003 are ok, but not ok enough for competitive level play. the last "SNK" game that had decent gameplay was kof 2002 and to a lesser extent neowave but not really....

kof 2003 is so-so, but not in par with 2002's gameplay.

which means gameplay>looks....

SPINMASTER X
06-13-2005, 08:35 PM
glad to be back, but of course gameplay will always outshine graphics but shit gets old. Make no mistake, the games will get played by me very much.

k'_127
06-13-2005, 11:01 PM
sorry for dragging the subject away, but I really don't get it when people say KOF2003 wasn't in par with KOF2002:

- more balanced roster (with the exception of Doulon)

the only weak characters I can think of are: Maxima and Bluemary. they made a great job in toning up the weak characters from 2002 (Kyo, K', Joe, Ryo....etc). KOF2002 had much more useless characters if you ask me.


- much much more fun to play

fuck the tag attacks. I mean, the game by it self is endlessly deep. kind of remind me of KOF2000 and 2001. each character offers tons of new things to learn. less focus on mind games and foucuses more on strats (poking, presuring .... etc). Timer should be slower, but it's not as bad people say. they are just trying to make a big deal out of it. here, I'm not exaggrating if I say less than 20% of the matches end up with times out. and most of these invloves Doulon and Ash. I would also like to add that most of the characters in 2002 are so boring to use (even if they were strong) .... like Chris, Billy, Yashiro .... etc. very repetitve ..... and I don't know. nothing interesting with them. KOF 2003 offers more variety


- Tag system > Max Combos

I'm not sure if learning all those crazy combos will pay off in 2002. sure you can pull big assed combos, but how many power stocks do you need for that? what are the speciefic situations you should be in to do most of them? and what are the chances that you will miss one of these in the middle of the match?

jeff bogard
06-14-2005, 12:06 AM
there's more deph to kof 2k2 at competitive level than 2k3.

For of all the roster in 2k2 i have seen all characters and i mean all of them been used at competitive level. if anybody character has an advantage over the rest it's leona, but not by that big of a difference.

And close to her are may lee and Angel.

From my experience in 2k3 it was fun, but much like in chaos i found it more enjoyable for 1 player. It had some errors in programming, and I don't want to bitch about them, nonethless they have to be mentioned because they did interfere with the gameplay.

calling kyo, k', joe, and ryo weak in 2k2? trust me you have yet to play at competitive level to underestimate these characters.

Sure the combos are long, very long. But and max mode isn't the only thing that makes it the center of the gameplay. There's much more you can do trust me...

But if you just want to say u enjoy 2k3 over 2k2 that's fine i think everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

But ask fran, beezle, or anybody that still goes to arcades and plays or at least sees some competition, they can tell you easily that there are new combos coming out of that game and it's 3 years old. And they'll tell u 2k3 ain't that popular for competition.

Hell, even neowave is more flexible for competition.

k'_127
06-14-2005, 03:28 AM
hmmm .... maybe you are right, about that. the competetion level here is good, but not as mad as in other countries. I still think KOF 2003 is very underrated gameplay wise IMO. been playing for several months in arcades now and saw no problems (although some may seem cheap at the beginning like Ash and Daimon, but later I figured out how to deal with them)

TaintedEdge
06-14-2005, 04:07 AM
:lol:
I don't know what the hell you were laughing at SpinmasterX, I was talking about SNK not SNKP. I hate when people starts to diss the old Neo-Geo graphics. We all know that the output of that thing was to the MAX by SNK (Notice how don't say SNKP) with games such as Garou: Mark of the Wolves and Last Blade 1 & 2. All three games were visually stunning and were on par with Capcom's Naomi 3 system (the one used for Street Fighter 3).

All I'm asking is that if SNKP decides to use the original MVS sprites on the AW they sould at least use a better filter.

Hmkay
06-14-2005, 06:32 AM
Final Blade heh... This guy sure knows his stuff.

Fran
06-14-2005, 06:53 AM
I'm here to say that Eiji's gay. He's never been cool, and I could care less that he's in KOF. Why's so few people not raving about Duck King? That's what I wanna know.

you are gay

it's a matter of good taste,you see?

you don't like eiji but love ramon

Spike Spiegel
06-14-2005, 06:58 AM
you are gay

it's a matter of good taste,you see?

you don't like eiji but love ramon

Purple suited Ninja? :annoyed: What's next, a cowboy wearing all pink? And yeah, Ramon's much more badass in design than Eiji. Opinions, of course, but at least he's based off of something that's real. Outside of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles do you see martial arts experts wearing all purple? His moves aren't even that cool. The best thing to come from Eiji is Zantetsu from Last Blade (story wise, he's relation?) Now THAT's a badass.

Fran
06-14-2005, 07:07 AM
I am happy duck king's in there being that he used to be my fav back in the day.

Otherwise, fuck it. Back to my routine of playin KOF 98 for the past 7 years. If they get it right i might put KOF 98 down for 2 seconds.

sorry,no offence meant,
but this is getting pretty stupid

all this hate for playmore is really stupid

you remind me of myself - 3 years ago

but people grow up and change foolish opinions

i won't get into "the big sprites debate" because it's something really old

i must have posted 230 times about sprites in the past 2 years

but let's talk about the kof series,yeah?

kof 99 was a good kof

kof 2000 was a good kof

kof 2001 was a good kof

kof 2002 was a really really good kof

kof 2003 was an innovative,good kof

neowave is a revision of 2002 and i just adore it

i love it when people that couldn't accept the changes after 98 and that probably can't play all the following kofs

keep on shitting on all the other episodes post 98

because look,98 is not the best kof

there isn't a best kof because they're all pretty different at the end of the day

i used to be madly into 98,we still are,but we're focusing a lot more on 2002 and neowave

there's so much stuff you can discover in 98 and after all these years,you need to move on and learn new characters,systems,etc

you say you been playing 98 for the past 7 years,
so obviously you must be pretty good?

well,you're still in germany right?

next time we're in france you should come and play with us

i'm really curious to see you in action now :)

Fran
06-14-2005, 07:13 AM
Purple suited Ninja? :annoyed: What's next, a cowboy wearing all pink? And yeah, Ramon's much more badass in design than Eiji. Opinions, of course, but at least he's based off of something that's real. Outside of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles do you see martial arts experts wearing all purple? His moves aren't even that cool. The best thing to come from Eiji is Zantetsu from Last Blade (story wise, he's relation?) Now THAT's a badass.

i suppose that,yes,it's all about personal opinions

but what if i said "eating shit is alright"

that would be my personal opinion,
but you'd still think "fran lost it and he's a crazy weirdo"

ramon is the "weakest" grappler ever in the history of 2d fighting games...

i think even mastrorious from FHD is better

god,even muscle power from wh...

the sprite of ramon is ugly,the animations are ugly,he's stupid ( look how he runs !! )

he can't be cooler than a stylish ninja from ryuuko 2 with a set of groovy moves

if you like zantetsu,how can you dislike eiji?

it does not make sense,spike

NeoDragoN
06-14-2005, 08:50 AM
Was'nt there pink cowboy in sunset riders? and that game ROCKED! :buttrock:

How can anyone not like eiji hes cool as fuck?!

Edit : Neowave does indeed play fantastic kinda like KOF2K2 +, just a shame it looks like shit....MAX2 moves look cool though....green lightning.... :multi_co:

Fran
06-14-2005, 08:52 AM
Was'nt there pink cowboy in sunset riders? and that game ROCKED! :buttrock:

How can anyone not like eiji hes cool as fuck?!

cormano

that's right,i was using cormano all the time in sunset riders

well said

valenti
06-14-2005, 02:00 PM
Fran I used to hate your guts but after looking at your recent posts..respect ftw

Blue Steel
06-14-2005, 02:39 PM
Final Blade heh... This guy sure knows his stuff.
hehe, just saw that.

Diavle18
06-14-2005, 02:53 PM
i suppose that,yes,it's all about personal opinions

but what if i said "eating shit is alright"

that would be my personal opinion,
but you'd still think "fran lost it and he's a crazy weirdo"

ramon is the "weakest" grappler ever in the history of 2d fighting games...

i think even mastrorious from FHD is better

god,even muscle power from wh...

the sprite of ramon is ugly,the animations are ugly,he's stupid ( look how he runs !! )

he can't be cooler than a stylish ninja from ryuuko 2 with a set of groovy moves

if you like zantetsu,how can you dislike eiji?

it does not make sense,spike


I know its just you're opinion but that right there about Ramon is pure bullshit. He is a very versatile and creative character and probably my most favorite grappler ever (especially his 2002 version). He can be dangerous as a grappler but is at the same time also a very reliable rushdown and combo character. The weakest grappler? Makes me think you have never used him or even seen him used.

And no I have nothing against Eiji, I have been waiting since 97 for him to return to KOF.

Fran
06-14-2005, 03:06 PM
I know its just you're opinion but that right there about Ramon is pure bullshit. He is a very versatile and creative character and probably my most favorite grappler ever (especially his 2002 version). He can be dangerous as a grappler but is at the same time also a very reliable rushdown and combo character. The weakest grappler? Makes me think you have never used him or even seen him used.

And no I have nothing against Eiji, I have been waiting since 97 for him to return to KOF.

yeah,hold on a min

"weak" as in "artistically crap"

in fact,
i compared him to other grapplers from other series...

and not just to other grapplers from kof 2002 or kof in general...

you see? weak as in "i can't stand playing kof if he's on the screen"

it's just the way i feel about ramon,what can i say

i know he can be good...
i have a friend here and he can do a lot of crazy stuff with ramon,even in bc mode

stuff that *you* (probably) have never seen

so...

:p

Fran
06-14-2005, 03:13 PM
Fran I used to hate your guts but after looking at your recent posts..respect ftw

nice to know i'm not on your shite list anymore,
it's good when we can love one another as brothers here on NEO GEO.COM

Fran
06-14-2005, 03:16 PM
Edit : Neowave does indeed play fantastic kinda like KOF2K2 +, just a shame it looks like shit....MAX2 moves look cool though....green lightning.... :multi_co:

neowave doesn't look like shit...
while the hsdm's in max 2,well truly dislike that lame effect

Moriya
06-14-2005, 04:43 PM
sorry for dragging the subject away, but I really don't get it when people say KOF2003 wasn't in par with KOF2002:

- more balanced roster (with the exception of Doulon)

the only weak characters I can think of are: Maxima and Bluemary. they made a great job in toning up the weak characters from 2002 (Kyo, K', Joe, Ryo....etc). KOF2002 had much more useless characters if you ask me.

Sorry, but there's no way one can say that KOF2003 is more balanced than KOF2002... KOF2003 has way too many weak characters (Maxima, Leona, Mary, Ralf...) and some very powerful ones (Duo Lon, Malin, Ash...). In KOF2002, no character is "useless" like Ralf, Leona or Mary in 2003, and the only characters that are a little stronger than the rest are Athena, Billy and Choi - and the difference is certainly not as big as the difference between the top and bottom tiers in 2003.

LWK
06-14-2005, 04:57 PM
i suppose that,yes,it's all about personal opinions

but what if i said "eating shit is alright"

that would be my personal opinion,
but you'd still think "fran lost it and he's a crazy weirdo"

ramon is the "weakest" grappler ever in the history of 2d fighting games...

i think even mastrorious from FHD is better

god,even muscle power from wh...

the sprite of ramon is ugly,the animations are ugly,he's stupid ( look how he runs !! )

he can't be cooler than a stylish ninja from ryuuko 2 with a set of groovy moves

if you like zantetsu,how can you dislike eiji?

it does not make sense,spike


Whats sad is ramon is real good for grappling range, but if you constantly short hop attack him, he has a bit of trouble. Iori can use so many dumb ass variations against him, that runnin kick throw move he has is to easy to see coming. Why bother with him when you got gods like clark and shermie in 2002.

I dont get it.

SPINMASTER X
06-14-2005, 06:07 PM
you say you been playing 98 for the past 7 years,
so obviously you must be pretty good?

well,you're still in germany right?

next time we're in france you should come and play with us

i'm really curious to see you in action now :)

Yes i've been playing it for that long but I never claimed to be the best at it for that reason. However I don't like to turn down challenges :smirk: , especially with my current situation. And you probably will beat me but hey thats what its all about!

Actually my best KOF is KOF 2001, and it may seem like it but i'm NOT on a shit on everything after kof 98 "bandwagon".

Fran
06-14-2005, 06:18 PM
Yes i've been playing it for that long but I never claimed to be the best at it for that reason. However I don't like to turn down challenges :smirk: , especially with my current situation. And you probably will beat me but hey thats what its all about!

Actually my best KOF is KOF 2001, and it may seem like it but i'm NOT on a shit on everything after kof 98 "bandwagon".

ok,i believe you about the "bandwagon" bit

and well,it wasn't a "challenge" :)

i only think it'd be nice to play against another member of this site.

in france of all places !

i don't know if i will beat you,my 2 friends are way better than me at 98 now

but it's all for fun and cos competition is good

2001? why not,it's not a kof we have played very much in vs but why not

and then there's always super x

up for it then? :)

LWK
06-14-2005, 06:21 PM
ok,i believe you about the "bandwagon" bit

and well,it wasn't a "challenge" :)

i only think it'd be nice to play against another member of this site.

in france of all places !

i don't know if i will beat you,my 2 friends are way better than me at 98 now

but it's all for fun and cos competition is good

2001? why not,it's not a kof we have played very much in vs but why not

and then there's always super x

up for it then? :)

I think I can give you a good match if you ever come to LA..

Fran
06-14-2005, 06:25 PM
I think I can give you a good match if you ever come to LA..

i'm sure...i will visit america someday ?

same goes for you if you ever decide to come to europe

and sorry everybody if i'm going a little off topic here

back to kof XI...

SPINMASTER X
06-14-2005, 06:34 PM
ok,i believe you about the "bandwagon" bit

and well,it wasn't a "challenge" :)

i only think it'd be nice to play against another member of this site.

in france of all places !

i don't know if i will beat you,my 2 friends are way better than me at 98 now

but it's all for fun and cos competition is good

2001? why not,it's not a kof we have played very much in vs but why not

and then there's always super x

up for it then? :)

I am pretty sure you would beat me in 98, cuz truthfully i wasn't that good at it. I pretty much play it for nostalgia reasons but whatever anybody wants to play SNK related i am down for it cuz when i was referring to my "current situation" its terrible. NOBODY plays, NOBODY, I am the undefeated champ. My closest good competition that i've actually played before is 4hrs away from me in stuttgart, germany. They whooped my ass good in 98 but its not easy for me to make a drive like that on the regular.

By the way what part of france do you visit? Hopefully it would be somewhere close. I live about an hour and 15 minutes northeast of Metz, France close to the border of Luxembourg.

Stephane
06-14-2005, 06:44 PM
Je suis un sac :kekeke: :kekeke:

ken_dong
06-14-2005, 07:26 PM
sac
Man, I hate that word... ^^

Tron
06-14-2005, 07:37 PM
With any luck SNKP is reading through this thread, and maybe they even care. Honestly, I think it was this site that helped put Eiji into KOF 11. That guy's like Boba Fett; showed up only a couple of times in the series, but has a following verging on the religious.

So, SNKP if you're reading, this is what we NEED:

1. HI RES SPRITES AT LEAST AS CLEAR AS THE NEO-GEO.

1. ANIMATION AS GOOD AS MOTW RETAINING THE SPRITE SIZE AND ROSTER OF
KOF.

(puts hands together and offers a small prayer ;) )
Chance's of that happening are one in a millon :loco:

SNKP is looking for some quick cash nothing more.

Much as i like to see them stop doing.... cut&paste i doubt it ever will :(

OrochiEddie
06-15-2005, 12:26 PM
Sorry, but there's no way one can say that KOF2003 is more balanced than KOF2002... KOF2003 has way too many weak characters (Maxima, Leona, Mary, Ralf...) and some very powerful ones (Duo Lon, Malin, Ash...). In KOF2002, no character is "useless" like Ralf, Leona or Mary in 2003, and the only characters that are a little stronger than the rest are Athena, Billy and Choi - and the difference is certainly not as big as the difference between the top and bottom tiers in 2003.

2k2 was no better IMO i honestly don't think they did a good job balacing the returning squad of KOF characters. suuch as...
-the entire Orochi team
-k9999
-kula (her changed special is hella unfair. Terry never got a traveling power geyser)

I also prefer 2k3 because 2k2 is very drab and ugly looking the lack of color is very depressing. 2k3 is bursting with colors and is a much prettier piece in the end

Korigama
06-15-2005, 01:36 PM
-kula (her changed special is hella unfair. Terry never got a traveling power geyser)


First people complain that it's too similar to Power Geyser, then they complain that it's better than Power Geyser...bah!

Lashujin
06-15-2005, 02:00 PM
2k2 was no better IMO i honestly don't think they did a good job balacing the returning squad of KOF characters. suuch as...
-the entire Orochi team
-k9999
-kula (her changed special is hella unfair. Terry never got a traveling power geyser)

I also prefer 2k3 because 2k2 is very drab and ugly looking the lack of color is very depressing. 2k3 is bursting with colors and is a much prettier piece in the end

I myself prefer 2k3 but I won't pretend that it's balanced in the least. Duo is God when talking about that game.

As for 2k2 the real problems are Billy, Athena, Leona, and Vanessa, I'm so sick of seeing them in every match video I ever watch from that game.

NeoDragoN
06-15-2005, 06:03 PM
neowave doesn't look like shit...
while the hsdm's in max 2,well truly dislike that lame effect

Well you must have a different Atomiswave than mine because NeoWave looks awful!

Bg's are'nt that bad, and the sprites look as good as ever.

But put the 2 togeather and its just a mess....but as usual i see past them to see the gameplay, which as i said is wonderful.

We'll agree to disagree on this. ;)

jeff bogard
06-15-2005, 11:59 PM
If you think Neowave looks like shit, you clearly haven't seen kof 2002.

ramon looks like a fag, let's face it. Nonetheless he's one of the most powerful characters in the game, along with Leona, Whip, Angel, and May Lee.

BTW

I

love

fran

ken_dong
06-16-2005, 03:59 AM
i agree on the little ramon drama.

I honestly think he's *hit on the graphics side...

NeoDragoN
06-16-2005, 08:35 AM
If you think Neowave looks like shit, you clearly haven't seen kof 2002.

2K2 looks great to me, its just the low res sprites on high res BG's that fuck up Neowave, like i said they look great individually.

kernow
06-16-2005, 08:49 AM
oh come onn who plays kof for graphics

half the time you're wincing

Hmkay
06-16-2005, 09:17 AM
2K2 looks great to me
lol... Did you play the same game as me ? I mean, the one with fucking sheeps with KoF tagged on them ? That one, great looking ?

Mark of the Wolves
06-16-2005, 09:36 AM
lol... Did you play the same game as me ? I mean, the one with fucking sheeps with KoF tagged on them ? That one, great looking ?

:kekeke: That shit pisses me off. The backgrounds in 2002 are ass. I think that's another reason I prefer 2003 even though it doesn't play as good.

Orochi Iori Y
06-16-2005, 11:37 AM
lol... Did you play the same game as me ? I mean, the one with fucking sheeps with KoF tagged on them ? That one, great looking ?

:kekeke: :kekeke: :kekeke: Agreed, KoF 02 and 01 even more so were huge steps backwards as far as looks go... those sheep really love teh KoF!

jeff bogard
06-16-2005, 03:07 PM
the only thing i didn't like about 2k2 were the backgrounds so they got them fixed for neowave. Though they did fucked the roster royally. i will never understand why people bitch about neowave. i really don't care.

TaintedEdge
06-16-2005, 06:24 PM
:kekeke: :kekeke: :kekeke: Agreed, KoF 02 and 01 even more so were huge steps backwards as far as looks go... those sheep really love teh KoF!

King of Fighters 2001 was pretty much weak in every aspect except gameplay, that was at least decent. I've never been a big fan of strikers. Anyway, 2002 has a few good backgrounds, the sheep background was too dull though. I still think the best stage of 2002's was Rugal's stage. Too bad they didn't add more fires and destruction to that background, since he destroyed his own ship for the sole of purpose of beating the hell out of your team, but it's still one of the sickest backgrounds in that game.

NeoDragoN
06-16-2005, 07:54 PM
the only thing i didn't like about 2k2 were the backgrounds so they got them fixed for neowave.

No they did'nt, theres no animation or imagination in them what so ever.

NeoDragoN
06-16-2005, 07:55 PM
oh come onn who plays kof for graphics

KOF99.

Korigama
06-16-2005, 11:18 PM
oh come onn who plays kof for graphics

KoF '00.

SouthtownKid
06-17-2005, 12:43 AM
oh come onn who plays kof for graphicsKOF '94

tsukaesugi
06-17-2005, 03:33 AM
oh come onn who plays kof for graphics

KOF '96

Fran
06-17-2005, 04:45 AM
KoF '00.

it's the year they started to cut animations,win poses,intro...

to make room for strikers / extra strikers / more characters

having said that...

if you play 2000 or 2001 and even 2002 on a proper mvs cab with a top monitor

or on a neo with low serial number and a good sony tv ( RGB !! )

then even 2002 looks pretty good

i swear to god it's true

rgb and a neo without crap rgb output make all the difference in the world

and kof was hot for graphics until 2000...

k'_127
06-17-2005, 04:49 AM
oh come onn who plays kof for graphics

KOF '01 :kekeke:

Shito
06-17-2005, 05:29 AM
KOF '96

What he said period.

And don't listen to Spike, my boy. You're violet/darkblue ninja suit is cool and all! KASUMIGIRI!

YeldellGW
06-17-2005, 07:00 AM
I'm here to say that Eiji's gay. He's never been cool, and I could care less that he's in KOF. Why's so few people not raving about Duck King? That's what I wanna know.

You've pretty much state how I feel towards Duck.

Apparently, I'm the only one on the entire board that feels that way.

Spike Spiegel
06-17-2005, 08:34 AM
duck and eiji both have humoristic vallue, both designs pretty much suck. but then again both are kinda fun to play with.

I admit, Duck King's design is retarded. SUPER retarded. But, I like how it's a tribute to the old rave scene, blown out of proportion, of course. I think it's all FFS's fault as to why I love Duck King. His stage and music are tops....

Hmkay
06-17-2005, 10:27 AM
I like Duck's design, I think he has style. I like his gameplay, voice, personality, musics and all too... I'd say there are much worse designs around.

bloodriot
06-17-2005, 10:55 AM
I hate the lightning effect in neo wave looks like someone with a std pissed all over the screen,

the 2k2 hsdm screen is awesome and you must admit the first time you saw it it started a little fire in your panties I mean common :P

I'd say the 2k2 ones have more character to them than the neo wave ones, china,korea buildings, rugals stage etc still ugly though but 2k1 would win awards for all kinds of ugly, and neowaves are clean and sparse I don't think I like any of them, maybe geese's office but I only see that stage for about a min before I die

NeoDragoN
06-17-2005, 11:24 AM
I hate the lightning effect in neo wave looks like someone with a std pissed all over the screen,

the 2k2 hsdm screen is awesome and you must admit the first time you saw it it started a little fire in your panties I mean common :P

I'd say the 2k2 ones have more character to them than the neo wave ones, china,korea buildings, rugals stage etc still ugly though but 2k1 would win awards for all kinds of ugly, and neowaves are clean and sparse I don't think I like any of them, maybe geese's office but I only see that stage for about a min before I die

The clock tower looked amazing in still pictures.....

Fran
06-17-2005, 12:06 PM
all the stages in neowave are above average to be honest,
except maybe the ny bridge ( whats its name again? )

they just lack details,they're so static and with nothing going on in them

but they're alright...

bloodriot
06-17-2005, 12:16 PM
still 2k3 bgs > nw

I know a meth hobo who thinks that 2k3 bgs are better than sf3ts?
maybe in some ways

but sf3SI still has the best bgs of all time imo

bokmeow
06-17-2005, 12:31 PM
I want to know when they are going to put Jubei Yamada in a KOF game. That grappler makes cameos in so many backgrounds it's not even funny.

I was playing KOF96 and KOF97 last night, and he was in both: The Fatal Fury background in KOF96 chomping down on the senbei, and the China background in KOF97 just spectacting.

Spike Spiegel
06-17-2005, 02:39 PM
still 2k3 bgs > nw

I know a meth hobo who thinks that 2k3 bgs are better than sf3ts?
maybe in some ways

but sf3SI still has the best bgs of all time imo

You mean SF3 NG

bloodriot
06-17-2005, 02:44 PM
You mean SF3 NG

no I'm quite sure it was SF3 Second Impact, giant attack? are ngs bgs a bit bland I like the one with the hooker getting molested but overall SI has more detail and stuff....

tsukaesugi
06-17-2005, 05:35 PM
I like the one with the hooker getting molested...

Don't remember that! Which stage was it?

There's another hooker in the Hong Kong Waterfront stage in Street Fighter Alpha 3. She's leaning up against the wall in the back right, wearing a slit skirt Mandarin dress.

God bless Capcom.

kernow
06-17-2005, 05:43 PM
You mean SF3 NG

totally agreed, some of 3s's bg's are shit

check dudleys compared to his old one..

NeoDragoN
06-18-2005, 08:27 AM
I still think KOF99 has some of the best BG's around not only do they alll have a wealth of animation but they all change apperances 2 - 3 times during a match.

Garden Stage - nuff said.

Fran
06-18-2005, 08:53 AM
kof 99 bgs are over-rated

and i still think the one before krizalid / the gallery - underground elevator / is the best one

airport,museum,chinese street are very average

if you want godly bgs : 94,95,96

RBjakeSpecial
06-18-2005, 09:19 AM
if you want godly bgs : 94,95,96

YES! Along with the other games that SNK was making at the time. AOF1,2, and 3, FFspecial, Sam Sho 1 and 2, they are the best backgrounds.

I don't understand why the backgrounds didn't get better and better.

95- Iori stage, absolute masterpiece
FFspecial- Tung Stage, Holy shit.

Even fatal fury 1 has better backgrounds than all of the new kofs.

Shito
06-18-2005, 09:58 AM
Point is KOF bgs simply got very uninspired since 1997, and that's a fact.

DevilRedeemed
06-18-2005, 11:32 AM
if you want godly bgs : 94,95,96

definetly. masterpieces.

beelzebubble
06-18-2005, 12:30 PM
yeah 95 and 96 have some of the best bgs there are...

the best bgs ive seen in the last 5 years would have to be the xi ones like the one in the spanish looking city and the hawaii one.

Yamazaki_RJ
06-18-2005, 07:43 PM
They stopped making good backgrounds around 99-2k. Then Eolith and Playmore came and all turned a mess. When I remember those good old days, the excellent bgs from the Fatal Fury, Samurai Shodown and Art Of Fighting series... Oh, the sadness of days that will never return... :crying:

To me, all KOFs between 94-2k have good/average bgs, and the best are 94, 95, 96, 98 and 99. Rugal's bg in KOF 2002 is the worst ever. It looks like a first generation Genesis game.

jeff bogard
06-22-2005, 02:40 AM
the backgrounds on neowave remind me of those in kof 99, i don't know why.

other than that my fav. BG would have to be the frozen factory in 2k, i don't know i guess i like duotones or something, followed by the moving elevator in 99. Though, in a package 94-96 have excellent backgrounds all together...

AztekNinja
06-23-2005, 11:21 AM
the backgrounds on neowave remind me of those in kof 99, i don't know why.

other than that my fav. BG would have to be the frozen factory in 2k, i don't know i guess i like duotones or something, followed by the moving elevator in 99. Though, in a package 94-96 have excellent backgrounds all together...

I always disliked that BG, the one frozen factory, seemed dumb to me. To tell you the truth all the 2k ones pretty much sucked. The best to me was probably the Aztec temple in 2k3...for obvious reasons. :D ITs bright and just plain mad badass, I like the mexico stages usually, they should make one fighting around the angel of independence in DF Mexico, that would be sweet.

lachlan
06-29-2005, 09:19 AM
KOF '96 best BG's ever.
you just gotta love Goenitz's level.
the debrie flying everywhere and the destruction with the GODLY music.
good times.