Osman / Cannon Dancer
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I have it.
But I forgot where I put it. I need to clean shit up.
But I forgot where I put it. I need to clean shit up.
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this game looks pretty cool, I was actually thinking of picking up a copy myself..
this page has a few screens:
http://lscmainframe.topcities.com/osman.html
good to hear its basically another Strider (one of my fav.arcade games ever)
this page has a few screens:
http://lscmainframe.topcities.com/osman.html
good to hear its basically another Strider (one of my fav.arcade games ever)
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I picked up the PCB last year, it's quite a game. Plays much like the first Strider but with tighter gameplay and graphics. The art style has a different feel than anything else I've ever played, it kind of reminds me of the movie Blade Runner. It's very cool, a board I'll never part with.
Yeah, Strider 2 was a big dissapointment, play and graphic wise. A mess.
How's the level design in Cannon Dancer? One of my favourite things about Strider is how you go from place to place in the same levels. Level two was snow, to a factory thing, to a giant run down a hill, to some other kind of power station, to floating platforms, to an airship. Always gets me giddy.
Does Osman have stuff like this?? No one's ever been able to answer that for me.
How's the level design in Cannon Dancer? One of my favourite things about Strider is how you go from place to place in the same levels. Level two was snow, to a factory thing, to a giant run down a hill, to some other kind of power station, to floating platforms, to an airship. Always gets me giddy.
Does Osman have stuff like this?? No one's ever been able to answer that for me.
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Rade Kuruc said:
No, the levels are VERY short. The only level that does that is level 2... you jump up a series of "trampolines"... fight a miniboss... then have the classic run down the hill while being chased by a giant truck... a couple jumps on disappearing platforms, then a boss fight. It's all within the same setting, though.
You can go through the entire game in about 12 minutes if I remember right.
The levels themselves are designed around the enemy/platform placement. I will try to explain as best I can without video... but if you see me play the game it looks like I do the same thing every time. You could say, it's like a platform version of Pulstar.
And for those who don't know, Cannon Dancer was designed by the same person who created Strider (the arcade original), Isuke. The game was developed by my favorite company, Mitchell Corp.
Cannon Dancer has decent flow (you move from city to city, but there's a reason as to how you got there in the first place - it's not like "here's the snow level, here's the jungle level... as you would see done in Contra), and it does a respectable job of balancing the storytelling between in-game action and end-of-level cutscenes.
Bigp0ppaLarge said:
Mechanics wise yes (ninjaesque characters clinging to walls), but playwise not so much. If I could go back to my Pulstar analogy, Strider Hiryu would be a little more on the Blazing Star side of things. Strider has a little more randomness to it than Cannon Dancer. I'm just being picky.
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sven666 said:
Damnit, it was you who said this? I can't believe it. Sven, I'm pissed. 666 style. Edward Randy is nothing like Strider/Osman, etc. The concepts are completely different. That's like saying Zelda mops the floor with Arkanoid. I'm not sure what genre I'd put Edward Randy in, but definitely not in the mix with Strider/Osman. There are some minor platform action sections... jumping around and dodging on boats/planes, but the front-view car/bull dozer/airplane levels (2/3/5 respectively?) are like a backwards game of Tempest where you're in the center and baddies are coming at your from around the edges. I think the game changes between those two ideas (as well as the ideas of single screen play and AUTO-scrolling platform play) and tries to blend them in the same level at times. I don't see any gameplay relation between Edward Randy and Strider/Osman (level design, mechanics). The only relation I see is the false idol of the gamer believing there's a human on the screen carrying a weapon.
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I chopped this post down a great deal since there was a misunderstanding between BIG and I. You can read the full post where I was quoted below, or just keep to the meat of what's said.
Between the mechanics and the gameplay?
The mechanics are in the inner workings of the gameplay (button presses, "what you can do"). The gameplay is how they are implemented.
Osman/Strider are not completely different in gameplay, but there are distinct features in each that set the gameplay appart. Let's not forget about Osman's Powerup feature compared to Strider's option/tiger feature. Osman's powerup feature where you have multiple images of yourself works perfectly in the sterile preplanned structures of the level. You can "set yourself up" in specific places because you know an enemy will be there. Strider's powerups, with their own seemingly random behaviors, works great for the hysteria and rich enemy interactions.
Strider/Osman's differences aren't drastic, but when you get down to the grit you can see what makes them unique.
A game that everyone in this thread may enjoy is "RunSaber" on the Super Nintendo. It plays like Strider and maintains Osman's atmosphere. It doesn't play like Osman, though.
Heh, in all seriousness, playing that game may help get my view across best.
BIG said:
Between the mechanics and the gameplay?
The mechanics are in the inner workings of the gameplay (button presses, "what you can do"). The gameplay is how they are implemented.
Osman/Strider are not completely different in gameplay, but there are distinct features in each that set the gameplay appart. Let's not forget about Osman's Powerup feature compared to Strider's option/tiger feature. Osman's powerup feature where you have multiple images of yourself works perfectly in the sterile preplanned structures of the level. You can "set yourself up" in specific places because you know an enemy will be there. Strider's powerups, with their own seemingly random behaviors, works great for the hysteria and rich enemy interactions.
Strider/Osman's differences aren't drastic, but when you get down to the grit you can see what makes them unique.
A game that everyone in this thread may enjoy is "RunSaber" on the Super Nintendo. It plays like Strider and maintains Osman's atmosphere. It doesn't play like Osman, though.
Heh, in all seriousness, playing that game may help get my view across best.
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ForeverSublime said:Between the mechanics and the gameplay?
The mechanics are in the inner workings of the gameplay (button presses, "what you can do"). The gameplay is how they are implemented.
We are so quick to judge a game on false idols. We see two characters sparring and we immediately call it a fighter. We have to break things down to a conceptual level. If you look at Tobal 2 - which is based on the "Golden Combo" system - in terms of mechanics it has more in common with Dance Dance revolution than King of Fighters. You wait until 2 sprites overlap each other and press the button to continue the stimulus. However, the gameplay implementation is vastly different between the two. When you look at the interpretation of the mechanics between Tobal 2 and KoF you see them as similiar games (you're "punching" or "kicking"). You see the same thing in "racing games". One racer may have you press a button as fast as possible while another has you pressing directional buttons at key points to avoid obstacles (or even as drastic as fine tuning your engine and calculating wind resistance). One racer may be a drag race while another relies on the control of sharp turns.
That specific example above may have not been the best way to explain my view by bridging two unlike games together, but the best analogy I can think of (specifically to relate to Osman/Strider and mention games you'd be familiar with) where there are two similar games that play vastly different is the Pulstar -> Blazing Star comparisson.
Osman/Strider are not completely different in gameplay, but there are distinct features in each that set the gameplay appart. Let's not forget about Osman's Powerup feature compared to Strider's option/tiger feature. Osman's powerup feature where you have multiple images of yourself works perfectly in the sterile preplanned structures of the level. You can "set yourself up" in specific places because you know an enemy will be there. Strider's powerups, with their own seemingly random behaviors, works great for the hysteria and rich enemy interactions.
More games that look similar but play different:
Vampire Killer (MSX) : Castlevania (NES). Pretty much the same sprites, just different quality. Similar mechanics between each other (walk, crouch, jump, attack, secondary weapon), but the level structure makes them completely different animals. In Vampire Killer you are searching in a Metroid like level structure for a key to open a door to the next level. In Castlevania you are working in a linear structure. How the game is expressed is important. If Vampire Killer were in a linear structure without free roaming and branching paths then it would be useless to be searching for anything, because you'd be bound to stumble across it regardless. In Vampire Killer, the enemies appear at the same spots at exactly the same times (and the key is at the same place, too). So you'd only complete that game when you'd mastered it... when you memorized every step and found the shortest route. In Castlevania you may get lucky and complete it, and then fail on your next 5 attempts.
Strider/Osman's differences aren't drastic, but when you get down to the grit you can see what makes them unique.
A game that everyone in this thread may enjoy is "RunSaber" on the Super Nintendo. It plays like Strider and maintains Osman's atmosphere. It doesn't play like Osman, though.
Nice breakdown,albeit lengthy and unnecessary. BTW,I was talking about the differences between the two games.
However,since the differences between both games are so subtle,I don't think anyone would even care to take notice,anyway.
Good times.
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BIG said:
Whuuja? Differences between the games? I thought you played it.
Whudda hella ya talkin bout? They're two different games - that's the difference. 
Edit: Although the differences aren't drastic, "subtle" holds less true. There are very distinct differences in gameplay, and people should care to take note.
And for you Strider fans, there's an X68000 version with an extra level.
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ForeverSublime said:Whuuja? Differences between the games? I thought you played it.
No shit,I've had both of these games at one point,and to me,both games are pretty much the same in almost every which way. When you said there were "differences" between them,I just wanted to hear what these differences were,that's all.
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BIG said:
Well, I'm a sucker for the final word. I just don't get what you're talking about. I think "different" defines itself. They are different just as SamSho1-Warrior's Rage... Double Dragon 1-3, etc. Better yet - Magical Drop - Money Idol Exchanger. If they were the same then everyone would like them equally.
Okay, okay... how about this:
Cricket : Baseball
Rugby : Football
Look similar, different rules.
Kung Fu : Karate... etc. I won't shut up.
Edit: Damnit, I see you watching. "Thai : Cambodian"
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BIG said:
Arguing? "Discussing". There's a BIG difference.
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ForeverSublime said:
You're calling it a discussion,whereas I'm calling it an argument,since this isn't going anywhere. Anytime there's a disagreement,a simple discussion can turn into an argument,just like what had happend here.
Your point?
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BIG said:
You win?
Nice little detail in Osman: When you're chained down to be eaten by the sand monster in the desert you can wiggle your joystick and Osman will struggle to break free. It doesn't do anything, but it's a nice detail.
Edit: Actually, my point is that I'd be a little ticked if I made a game and someone didn't notice the differences. I think we owe it to the developers to enjoy every detail we can. It's a hard job - especially for a small company.
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ForeverSublime said:Damnit,blablabla.
first off.. tempest!?!?! wtf :P
and yeah i think gameplay wise these games are pretty similar.. jumping around and clinging to stuff.
i dont understand how anyone can dislike mr.randy this much..
i think the game is brilliant and very original.. especially in the graphics dept..ed: i actually havent played osman.. sacrificed a fair share of credits on the striders tho..
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