15khz RGB Monitor Recommendations

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I had MKL perform an RGB mod on my AES system last year. I was really blown away by the picture I got out of my system. But shortly after, I moved from the Netherlands to the United States.

Now as we all know, there are simply no tv's with RGB input available here. I already bought a new HDTV for watching dvd's and playing modern consoles on. But it simply looks very pixelated and crappy using the neo-geo with composite out (which was to be expected).

Now I'm looking for a solution here. Either a converter that will convert the RGB signal to component, so at least the picture is more clear, but probably still very pixelated seeing the tv has a line-doubler built in.
Or I could look into buying a 15khz RGB monitor for Neo-Geo use only! I prefer the size of the screen to be around 25" diagonal. And of course reasonably priced.

I will appreciate any help I get!
 
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Toddy said:
I had MKL perform an RGB mod on my AES system last year. I was really blown away by the picture I got out of my system. But shortly after, I moved from the Netherlands to the United States.

Now as we all know, there are simply no tv's with RGB input available here. I already bought a new HDTV for watching dvd's and playing modern consoles on. But it simply looks very pixelated and crappy using the neo-geo with composite out (which was to be expected).

Now I'm looking for a solution here. Either a converter that will convert the RGB signal to component, so at least the picture is more clear, but probably still very pixelated seeing the tv has a line-doubler built in.
Or I could look into buying a 15khz RGB monitor for Neo-Geo use only! I prefer the size of the screen to be around 25" diagonal. And of course reasonably priced.

I will appreciate any help I get!
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I can only speak from my personal experience-

The monitors you're gonna find aren't what you'd hope. There are Commodore and Amiga monitors floating around but, if you didn't know, they were never big in North America. So...

Maybe get an XRGB. It'll upscan to VGA and you'll have no problem getting a good VGA monitor or your TV might even accept VGA too.

Good Luck and welcome.
 
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Blaine said:
I can only speak from my personal experience-

The monitors you're gonna find aren't what you'd hope. There are Commodore and Amiga monitors floating around but, if you didn't know, they were never big in North America. So...

Maybe get an XRGB. It'll upscan to VGA and you'll have no problem getting a good VGA monitor or your TV might even accept VGA too.

Good Luck and welcome.
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Unfortunately VGA monitors will probably produce an image even sharper than my HDTV, so it will look pixelated once again. And the Commodore and Amiga monitors are usually very small (and VGA monitors usually too..).

I remember some forum members here mentioning other types of monitors. They are pretty old and were often used for presentations, I remember the brands Sony and Mitsubishi. They also come in sizes 25" and up. Unfortunately I can't seem to find the model numbers again.

Anyway, thanks for the help!
 
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The Sony PVM's are nice. Can pick up a used one on ebay for not too much cash.
 
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Buy a 25" K7400 (or a D9200 if you want a really high end monitor with VGA support). They are actual arcade monitors designed for RGB input. A friend of mine got one a few weeks ago, and we hooked up a Shinobi to it and it looks amazing.
 
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I'm aware of arcade monitors. I've been thinking about getting one.. but they are designed for use in cabinets, and are therefore completely open. Of course I could make a box for it or something. hmmm

I just stumbled upon an older thread I remember reading a while ago. This just convinced me ;).
 
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I can post more pictures if you want more convincing. :make_fac:
But seriously though... RGB monitors aren't as hard to find as people make them out to be. PVM are cheap and plentiful (just be careful of their picture geometry).

But to anwer your initial post about models numbers on RGB monitors, here are some that I can vouch for (since I own them).

Sony GVM-2020 (20 inches, RGB, VGA, svideo, composite, mono sound)
Sony PVM-2530 (25 inches, RGB, svideo, composite, no internal speakers)
Mitsubishi XC3315 (33 inches, RGB, VGA, composite, svideo, internal speakers, speaker out)
NEC XM29 (29 inches, RGB, VGA, svideo, composite, internal speakers, speaker out
Sony PGM-200R1U (27 inches, RGB, VGA, svideo, composite {component with the optional add on})

If you want to know more about any of these monitors, drop me a line. I hope that helps.
 
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Thanks for all the replies everybody.

How hard are the cables to come by? I'm not one to solder myself, so it would be convenient if I could just order one somewhere or from someone.
 
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Toddy said:
Thanks for all the replies everybody.

How hard are the cables to come by? I'm not one to solder myself, so it would be convenient if I could just order one somewhere or from someone.
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Of all the monitors I listed, all of them have either 5 BNC or 15 pin (like the VGA kind). So you can use a 15 pin to 5 BNC connector that you can get for like $5 or so on ebay. The only exceptions are the Sony PVM-2530, since it uses a 25 pin dsub for it's RGB. But the pinouts are easy to track down. The Sony GVM-2020 has a 5 BNC as well as a 9 pin dsub for RGB. And the Mitsubishi XC3315 has a 5 BNC as well as a 15 pin dsub for RGB.
 
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Right now I'm seriously thinking about getting the PVM-2530, as they are not hard to come by and quite affordable.

Do you know of anyone that could make a cable for me (AES 9pin to 25 pin dsub)?

Also, do these monitors have adjustments for picture size/shift?

If it's not too much to ask, could you take a picture of your PVM-2530's controls? (because in the picture in the other thread I think you were using a different model sony monitor)

Thanks!
 
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Toddy said:
Right now I'm seriously thinking about getting the PVM-2530, as they are not hard to come by and quite affordable.

Do you know of anyone that could make a cable for me (AES 9pin to 25 pin dsub)?

Also, do these monitors have adjustments for picture size/shift?

If it's not too much to ask, could you take a picture of your PVM-2530's controls? (because in the picture in the other thread I think you were using a different model sony monitor)

Thanks!
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Sorry, but I no longer own a Sony PVM-2530. I have had several over my life, so I know them pretty well. One drawback of the PVM-2530 is that in order to make adjustments to them to for shifting, size, etc, you have to open it up. There are tiny pots that you can turn to adjust them.
 
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Do you think it is wise for someone without experience to adjust the size of the picture on the PVM-2530? (I'm aware of the dangers of opening monitors)

As you can imagine, I'd hate to destroy the monitor. :)
 
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Toddy said:
Do you think it is wise for someone without experience to adjust the size of the picture on the PVM-2530? (I'm aware of the dangers of opening monitors)

As you can imagine, I'd hate to destroy the monitor. :)
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You won't destroy it. It's quite simple and all the adjustments are labeled. Worse you can do is make the picture geometry all weird. :emb:
 
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Awesome, can't go wrong with labeled pots.

Sound like I'll be purchasing the PVM-2530 then.

Thanks for the help!
 
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