Neo RGB mod....do i need one?

Dr. Jigglin · Mar 21, 2005

Hey
lets say i buy a Neo JP or Neo US right and i want to play it in a PAL region would i have to do an RGB mod for it to play in colour (heard other ppl in europe had to do it) but if i played my Neo on an NTSC tv would this mean i wouldnt need to do an RGB mod?

thanks

Dreamcazman · Mar 21, 2005

Do you mean by using an RGB SCART cable?

You will still see the picture and everything will work as it should. The RGB mod simply improves the image quality by bypassing the shitty video encoder. So in true sense, you are getting the best you would ever be able to get out of a Neogeo.

You should do the mod whether you're playing on a PAL or NTSC TV. The picture quality difference is astonishing.

Dr. Jigglin · Mar 21, 2005

doesnt the RGB mod require soldering? in the system itself (so ive heard)?
correct me if im wrong

ttooddddyy · Mar 21, 2005

lachlan said:
Hey
lets say i buy a Neo JP or Neo US right and i want to play it in a PAL region would i have to do an RGB mod for it to play in colour (heard other ppl in europe had to do it) but if i played my Neo on an NTSC tv would this mean i wouldnt need to do an RGB mod?

thanks

RGB does not have different pal/ntsc standards, its direct drive of the crts video outputs so there is no colour system to speak of- its the closest you will get to running a mvs board in an arcade cab. Picture quality is far superior to composite or svid

Dr. Jigglin · Mar 21, 2005

oh ok well thanks lol i didnt really know what it was for but some people where odding there neo's for it but i dont think i will just to preserver the Neo originality lol

Adamaki · Mar 21, 2005

If you're using a PAL tv and scart cable then the rgb mod won't improve things much, but if you're using an NTSC tv then it's a good idea because the NTSC tv is using the composite signal from the neo which is crap, or so I understand.

lachlan said:
doesnt the RGB mod require soldering? in the system itself (so ive heard)?

The rgb does involve some soldering and removing components from your pcb so I wouldn't recommend it if you haven't done this kind of thing before. Have a look at this thread:

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111152

I did the rgb mod on my aes last night and it works a treat. :glee:

Dreamcazman · Mar 21, 2005

Adamaki said:
If you're using a PAL tv and scart cable then the rgb mod won't improve things much, but if you're using an NTSC tv then it's a good idea because the NTSC tv is using the composite signal from the neo which is crap, or so I understand.

What are you talking about? The TV he's using is irrelevant as the mod improves the Neogeo RGB output. The mod will improve things immensely, especially on PAL tellies.

To be honest, I don't know of any sets in the US or other NTSC regions that have Scart sockets.

And yes Lachlan, you will have to do a bit of soldering.

Dr. Jigglin · Mar 21, 2005

lol im not soldering ...id like melt the Neo im that crap at it lol
plus if ur collecting dooing a mod kinda destroys it beeing "original"

neo_X7 · Mar 22, 2005

Adamaki said:
but if you're using an NTSC tv then it's a good idea because the NTSC tv is using the composite signal from the neo which is crap, or so I understand.

Got that right, plus here in the US we don't have scart inputs on our television sets we have component.

Adamaki · Mar 22, 2005

dreamcazman said:
What are you talking about? The TV he's using is irrelevant as the mod improves the Neogeo RGB output. The mod will improve things immensely, especially on PAL tellies.

The tv he's using is relevant because if it's NTSC it can't accept an RGB signal! There's no point doing the RGB mod if he's using an NTSC tv. The s-video mod would make an improvement over composite or he could get a component video board if his tv accepts component signals.

If you're using a PAL tv with a scart cable then it's already using the RGB output from the neo so doing the RGB bypass mod won't improve things much, especially on a low serial number console. I did the mod on my low serial number console and it hardly made any difference, but at least it's producing the optimum output now.

Dr. Jigglin · Mar 23, 2005

well hate to say this now but my tv isnt like an NTSC only tv its like and Aussie tv but has full NTSC compatibility so... does the Neo use AV video connections?

Adamaki · Mar 23, 2005

I don't know anything about Aussie tv's. What kind of inputs do they have? Does it have a scart input? If it does you're sorted. Just get a neo geo scart cable and you've got RGB video.

Dr. Jigglin · Mar 23, 2005

what exactly is a SCART input coz i have what looks like AV like Yellow for video and White for sound at the back adn the front but is that called Composite? (tv is pretty new and small so)

neo_X7 · Mar 23, 2005

lachlan said:
what exactly is a SCART input coz i have what looks like AV like Yellow for video and White for sound at the back adn the front but is that called Composite? (tv is pretty new and small so)

Scart is the big input at the bottom.

That this cable plugs into.

Dreamcazman · Mar 24, 2005

Lachlan, what TV brand/model do you have? In Australia we get both US and European type televisions (US as in with component and Euro as in Scart)

I've got a Sony HR32 and although it doesn't have a SCART connector, it does have an RGBHV connector (VGA basically) and with a bit of simple circuitry I used this input and you would not believe how good my Neogeo looks on this high class CRT.

Dr. Jigglin · Mar 24, 2005

This is my TV

and this is the only video cable that will connect to it is this composite?

so yeah lol i dont have that SCART lookingt hing on my Tv thats for sure :glee:

neo_X7 · Mar 24, 2005

lachlan said:
This is my TV

and this is the only video cable that will connect to it is this composite?

so yeah lol i dont have that SCART lookingt hing on my Tv thats for sure

Then yes, what you have their is composite mono television. :glee:

Dr. Jigglin · Mar 25, 2005

awsome thanks but what is the video quality of composite vs scart or s-video on the Neo?

lach

Adamaki · Mar 25, 2005

Composite is terrible, s-video is better, rgb (scart) is the best. It doesn't look like you have much choice with your tv though! Somewhere on these forums is a thread showing the difference in quality between composite, s-video and rgb. Have a quick search and you should find it ok.

If you want to improve your picture your best bet would be to get a new tv with a scart input. That way you could use the rgb signal from your neo and get the best quality picture with minimum hassle (except a little financial outlay!).

Dr. Jigglin · Mar 25, 2005

yes but u till i find that thread on comparing the quality composite will have to do for the time beeing as they say higher the serial on the Neo AES better the composite but worse the RGB so a 150+ serial might be ok

Adamaki · Mar 25, 2005

Yep you're right there. As long as you have a high serial number console then your composite output shouldn't be too bad. Also with a high serial number console you'd probably want the rgb bypass mod done to improve your rgb output which I know you said you're not keen on.

Dr. Jigglin · Mar 25, 2005

yeah im not the best when ti comes to soldering and stuff but on the other hand none of my TV's have SCART input so really there isnt much of a point if i can get a decent serial with decent composite

neo_X7 · Mar 25, 2005

lachlan said:
yeah im not the best when ti comes to soldering and stuff but on the other hand none of my TV's have SCART input so really there isnt much of a point if i can get a decent serial with decent composite

Your best bet is buying a fully modded AES, I have one of those AES models that is suppose to have good AV output and it still looks like crap.

Dr. Jigglin · Mar 25, 2005

well i want an Original Neo so i dont want to pull it apart and mod it or do anythign to it i just want a normal Neo

Dreamcazman · Mar 26, 2005

lachlan said:
well i want an Original Neo so i dont want to pull it apart and mod it or do anythign to it i just want a normal Neo

But do you realise how much the value increases when you have a modded Neo?

I was like you when I first bought my Neo, had to keep the originality and all. Once you install a Unibios and mega mod kits and RGB mods etc, the value sky rockets because they are much more sought after than normal Neos.

But hey it's up to you, it's your machine.

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