Fans of extreme Metal...

B

black_wizardd

Nom-nom-nom 1975, ,
Joined
Feb 16, 2001
Posts
513
I play in an Irish based band called Nothing is Sacred, the mp3's from our first demo recorded a few weeks back are available for download here www.ampromotions.info/NIS/. Be warned it's heavy as a bag of anvils :buttrock: Just looking for a bit of feedback.
 
Michael Yagami

Michael Yagami

I was wondering if I might get a rank with a Castl
Joined
May 1, 2002
Posts
5,928
I like the guitar tone. What kind of rig are you using?
 
B

black_wizardd

Nom-nom-nom 1975, ,
Joined
Feb 16, 2001
Posts
513
Yeah, we're well happy with the guitar tone, it's exactly what we wanted. I recorded using an ESP LTD M-201 running through a Line 6 Pod into an EQ of some sorts. There may have been other equipment in use, but the Pod and EQ were the main source of the tone.
 
Michael Yagami

Michael Yagami

I was wondering if I might get a rank with a Castl
Joined
May 1, 2002
Posts
5,928
black_wizardd said:
Yeah, we're well happy with the guitar tone, it's exactly what we wanted. I recorded using an ESP LTD M-201 running through a Line 6 Pod into an EQ of some sorts. There may have been other equipment in use, but the Pod and EQ were the main source of the tone.
Click to expand...

EMGs in the M-201?
 
B

black_wizardd

Nom-nom-nom 1975, ,
Joined
Feb 16, 2001
Posts
513
Actually believe it or not I used the stock pickups (lack of cash meant we had to focus all our money on the recording fee) which are Duncan Designed pickups. I think they worked well though, I have to admit I was really surprised that they held up in the studio.
 
The Drizzle

The Drizzle

Whip's Subordinate
Joined
Jul 29, 2004
Posts
1,759
The guitar and drums = Thumbs Up
The singer who sounds like Gollum with acid reflux = Thumbs Down
 
B

black_wizardd

Nom-nom-nom 1975, ,
Joined
Feb 16, 2001
Posts
513
The Drizzle said:
The guitar and drums = Thumbs Up
The singer who sounds like Gollum with acid reflux = Thumbs Down
Click to expand...

Thanks for the honest feedback. Regarding the vocals, that's the style we went for, we were hoping to keep them in the goregrind territory. Do you listen to music with guttural vocals? If not your dislike of the style comes as no surprise :).
 
The Drizzle

The Drizzle

Whip's Subordinate
Joined
Jul 29, 2004
Posts
1,759
black_wizardd said:
Thanks for the honest feedback. Regarding the vocals, that's the style we went for, we were hoping to keep them in the goregrind territory. Do you listen to music with guttural vocals? If not your dislike of the style comes as no surprise :).
Click to expand...

I listen to bands with that singing. E-Town Concrete, and a local band Torn To Shreds(their earlier stuff was low pitched, but recent recordings seem to show that things have changed) both use that style(i think thats what you mean by guttural, i never heard the term) , but they dont have that high pitched gurgling sound in their throat that I hear in your vocalist. It's more of a deep rumble.

Your vocalist kinda sounds like the guy from Gorgoroth, which isn't a good thing. :P

In your songs, are there actually any words? Just wondering.
 
Last edited:
B

black_wizardd

Nom-nom-nom 1975, ,
Joined
Feb 16, 2001
Posts
513
The Drizzle said:
I listen to bands with that singing. E-Town Concrete, and a local band Torn To Shreds(their earlier stuff was low pitched, but recent recordings seem to show that things have changed) both use that style(i think thats what you mean by guttural, i never heard the term) , but they dont have that high pitched gurgling sound in their throat that I hear in your vocalist. It's more of a deep rumble.

Your vocalist kinda sounds like the guy from Gorgoroth, which isn't a good thing. :P

In your songs, are there actually any words? Just wondering.
Click to expand...

Yep, by guttural singing I mean the low pitched, rumbling style.

Dude, your paying serious compliments without realising it cause I think Gorgoroth slay :buttrock:. We wanted the low end (guttural) stuff to sound in the vein of goregrind bands like Devourment/Lividity/Disgorge etc and the high end leaning more towards black metal, Gorgoroth being the perfect example :P.

I've never heard TTS but I'd imagine the difference your hearing between the low end we use and the low end they use is due to the vocal styles. Our vocalist uses a style called inward breathing which is primarily a trait of goregrind bands as opposed to straight up death metal bands. It allows the singer to make lower, more gurgling sounds and basically makes everything sound a bit filthier! Which is what we wanted. He hasn't perfected it yet but IMO he's getting there, it's damn hard to do. Try making those sounds breathing in and you'll see what I mean :).

Finally, yep there are lyrics but only in certain areas cause it's too difficult to pronounce anything when singing using inward breathing! (Least it is at the moment).
 
E

Electroman

, ,
Joined
May 29, 2002
Posts
4,771
black_wizardd-

2 thumbs up on the music.

Guitars: I too really like the guitar tone. Great stereo separation, sounds clean and rich. Sounds loud, like it should without sacrificing fidelity.

Drums: Double bass is welcome, always. Whether a constant double bass flow (ala Dave Lombardo) or when used as a 'pulse generator' (ala Raymond Herarra), its all good.

Vocals: Worst vocals I ever heard man, I'm sorry. I know you are looking for a 'sound' that you always wanted, or one that hasn't been done yet but how much of a demographic is out there that will buy this music with those vocals? How many people will turn down a sale based on vocals? There are so many metal albums that I have not bought all because I couldn't tolerate the type of vocals. So many death/drylung metal bands have such insane and incredible metal talent musically... yet when the vocals sound like a dying demon drowning on acid... I hate to mix practicality with music, it just isn't worth listening to.

Bands that start up are often artists in the beginning, then sell out and become business whores.... cough Metallica cough.. That's not what I'm saying in your case. But you may want to consider your demographic, stay true to your artistry and beliefs but maximize profits too as best as you care to do. I know you love what you do but you can't deny the other necessary evil out there... money.

So other than the vocals, you're doing a great job :buttrock:
 
SonGohan

SonGohan

Made of Wood
20 Year Member
Joined
Aug 22, 2001
Posts
23,659
Sounds a lot like Black Dhalia Murder, with some Unearth style riffing. Good stuff. I like extreme vocals as well, but I don't think they're mixed well. You said it was a demo after all, though. Good stuff, man.
 
R

RBjakeSpecial

Land of the Rising Bling:,
20 Year Member
Joined
Jan 17, 2002
Posts
3,699
Sounds great! Really like the guitar tone, very clear for a first demo. The vocals are great. I love the vocals. Maybe you get some more interplay between the low rumble and high screeching.

I like the structure, almost prog like, lots of different sections. I could imagine some cool samples being slapped in there too, some car engine noises, or crowd noise or something.

Really impressed.
 
B

black_wizardd

Nom-nom-nom 1975, ,
Joined
Feb 16, 2001
Posts
513
Thanks for all the feedback lads, that's exactly what I'm looking for. Glad to hear everyone is enjoying the music and production but it seems that the vocal style is causing a bit of a stir! Although it only seems to bother those of you that aren't into guttural vocals anyway, so that's to be expected. We're not aiming to make it as a stadium band, that's an impossibility with our vocal style, besides we'd prefer to keep it underground cause that's where the real dedicated fans are found.

SonGohan - I know what ya mean about the vocal mix, it's not perfect but it was the best we could do with the time and money constraints. Oh yeah, I adore the Black Dhalia so cheers for the compliment, although I think I'll ignore the Unearth comparision :) (maybe some of our harmony parts sound in that vein).

BW.

P.S: I hope no-one thinks I'm getting defensive about our vocal style, it's just that most of the comments so far have been from people that aren't into guttural vocals anyway so I can't really take them seriously. No offense intended.
 
S

shir0

Later, Gumm0
Joined
Dec 4, 2002
Posts
3,491
What in the fuck is wrong with the singer?

If I wanted to listen to The Sounds of Warcraft, I would have
bought the fucking game.

The rest sounds pretty good, but I have to be honest...

Get a new singer, that grunting to form words shit is really stupid.
 
gmw

gmw

Mai's Apprentice
Joined
Apr 7, 2003
Posts
1,811
Great stuff, don't know why I didn't see this sooner. Vocals are terrific, really well done. Sounds REALLY similar to Demilich.

Only complaint is that the kickdrum sound is too high in the mix when the blast beats come in - the drum sound gets separated from the guitar sound too much, in my opinion. Still, really great grind/gore sound.
 
S

shir0

Later, Gumm0
Joined
Dec 4, 2002
Posts
3,491
gmw said:
Vocals are terrific, really well done.
Click to expand...

He's just grunting to music - how the hell is that "terrific?"

I don't get this type of music.

:crying:
 
gmw

gmw

Mai's Apprentice
Joined
Apr 7, 2003
Posts
1,811
shir0 said:
He's just grunting to music - how the hell is that "terrific?"

I don't get this type of music.

:crying:
Click to expand...

It's sort of a standard vocal style for a lot of grindcore / gore / black metal. If it works with the music, I'm all for it.
 
B

black_wizardd

Nom-nom-nom 1975, ,
Joined
Feb 16, 2001
Posts
513
shir0 said:
He's just grunting to music - how the hell is that "terrific?"

I don't get this type of music.
Click to expand...

It's so hard to explain my reasons for adoring guttural vocals to someone that detests them but I'll give it a go!

First off, it's just a style of singing. If you've never listened to guttural vocalists before then I'm not at all surprised you think we're crap. I felt the exact same way when I first heard a Death Metal vocalist. I thought to myself "what the hell is this crap!, I can't hear a word he's saying", but after listening to various death metal bands I realised that the focus is not on the lyrics but the style in which they're sung, and how well this blends with the music.

Most bands revolve around the vocalist and his/her lyrical ideas/opinions. I assume one of the reasons behind this is to allow people to gain familiarity with the band through an affinity with their lyrics. The problem with death metal in particular is that in order to have an affinity with the lyrics you'd have to be one sick puppy considering the content of most death metal lyrics. So instead, most fans of the genre gain an affinity with the singers style as opposed to what he's saying. There ya have it, that's the best I can do, if ya still don't get it then fuck it, least I tried :).
 
Last edited:
pixeljunkie

pixeljunkie

Whilst Drunk., I Found God., Booze = Bad.,
20 Year Member
Joined
Dec 12, 2003
Posts
8,530
gmw said:
It's sort of a standard vocal style for a lot of grindcore / gore / black metal. If it works with the music, I'm all for it.
Click to expand...

add one more ditto from someone who listens to this genre. I dig it. Its a little slower in the vocals than I listen to normally. I like the low stuff better than the high pitch...but it works. Its good, thumbs up
 
S

shir0

Later, Gumm0
Joined
Dec 4, 2002
Posts
3,491
I kind of get it, the guitar riffs and instrumentals are really good, and I never
said you guys were crap. I listen to music mostly for the lyrics, and hearing a
guy scream "GGGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRA" for 5 minutes just takes the
purpose of lyrics - rapes it in the ass and then churns it out for satan or
whatever.

Anyway, thanks for trying.
 
F

FeelGood

So Many Posts
No Time
For Games.
Joined
Aug 18, 2001
Posts
17,794
meh, instrumentals sound pretty cool but im with prolly the majority that are gonna think the vocals blow ass.

im into lyrics and i can even tolerate screaming but this snorting/grunting thing doesnt sit with me at all.

btw if anyone is looking for a good gore vocalist im available. i can snort and growl like u wouldnt fucking believe. one time i thought i snorted my nose through my skull but it turns out my asshole bro tossed a dead fly under my nose when i was showing off my skillz. :oh_no:
 
Nesagwa

Nesagwa

Beard of Zeus,
20 Year Member
Joined
May 17, 2002
Posts
21,322
Grunting and "gutoral singing" isnt really singing so dont try to justify it.
 
pixeljunkie

pixeljunkie

Whilst Drunk., I Found God., Booze = Bad.,
20 Year Member
Joined
Dec 12, 2003
Posts
8,530
Nesagwa said:
Grunting and "gutoral singing" isnt really singing so dont try to justify it.
Click to expand...

Maybe not in THIS case, I agree....but it can be done artfully. This is WAY too minimalist to be conceived as that, but some bands are able to bring that out in similar vocals.
Soilent Green, to name one of my faves.
 
shirt

shirt

Andy's Clothes Designer
Joined
Dec 21, 2003
Posts
3,333
I'm gonna have to agree that the vocals definitely detract from your overall sound. I can't stand it when they're that devoid of melody. Your guitarist has skill and the drums are decent. The first song had was nothing special, it felt kind of like a dime a dozen sludge metal jam. The second song actually had a pretty cool riff. The third one was pretty cool too for the most part. All in all I've just heard too many piss poor Cannibal Corpse and Deicide clones (you're way better than most of them), so don't mind me.
 
shirt

shirt

Andy's Clothes Designer
Joined
Dec 21, 2003
Posts
3,333
pixeljunkie said:
Maybe not in THIS case, I agree....but it can be done artfully. This is WAY too minimalist to be conceived as that, but some bands are able to bring that out in similar vocals.
Soilent Green, to name one of my faves.
Click to expand...

Soilent Green is awesome, perfect example of well done noise vocals (there are a lot of bands who pull it off very well actually). Lamb of God has to be another in the top 5.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top