Fairest SNK Boss?
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Atrophyed said:
I would have to disagree. I believe Zankuro and Geese are fair fighters. It's a skill thing IMO.
A couple bosses are easy IMO, Neo-Dio in the World Heroes Games, and Nobonunga in Ninja Master's (but those two are ADK/SNK games).
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Kazuki Dash
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Fatal Fury 2 - Krauser
the only SNK boss I've ever faced that lacks any trace of cheese, cheap tactics, or over-prioritized stuff that unfairly tips the scales...in all my experience against him, any loss is due to player performance and nothing else
definitely one of the most enjoyable bosses I've ever had the pleasure of learning to whoop ass on
the only SNK boss I've ever faced that lacks any trace of cheese, cheap tactics, or over-prioritized stuff that unfairly tips the scales...in all my experience against him, any loss is due to player performance and nothing else
definitely one of the most enjoyable bosses I've ever had the pleasure of learning to whoop ass on
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The boss of KO '99 who's name escapes me was a fair fight
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Krizalid?
His projectile pissed me off -_-
I thought Zero in 2000 was stupidly easy. So easy that when I beat him, I thought he would do some sort of transformation (like Krizalid).
His projectile pissed me off -_-
I thought Zero in 2000 was stupidly easy. So easy that when I beat him, I thought he would do some sort of transformation (like Krizalid).
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genjuro1 said:
I mean that by assuming that all SNK bosses were made to be cheese.
Not when you figure an easy pattern to beat them. When you do, you have credit for your skills, but you're always beating a cheesy programed opponent.
As someone stated above, Krauser is quite a fair fight. I didn't remember of him ( haven't played FF2/S latelly ).
But wich Geese are you talking about ? if it's FF Geese, then he's cheap. Over-priority counters. AOF2 Geese ? Cheaper ! You possibly know why !
Atrophyed said:I mean that by assuming that all SNK bosses were made to be cheese.
Not when you figure an easy pattern to beat them. When you do, you have credit for your skills, but you're always beating a cheesy programed opponent.
As someone stated above, Krauser is quite a fair fight. I didn't remember of him ( haven't played FF2/S latelly ).
But wich Geese are you talking about ? if it's FF Geese, then he's cheap. Over-priority counters. AOF2 Geese ? Cheaper ! You possibly know why !
I forgot about Krauser. I feel he's always a fair fight IMHO.
I think the only Geese I haven't played is AOF2 Geese. I didn't like AOF1 so I never was interested in the rest of the series.
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Zankuro is fair? First of all, the game is hard as fuck, then you reach Zankuro who's harder than all the other battles, and once you beat him, you gotta finish one more round against him, or start over with the battle!
Well, I guess he doesn't use cheap moves like most KoF bosses, so in that way he's fair. He's just too fucking hard. :S
Well, I guess he doesn't use cheap moves like most KoF bosses, so in that way he's fair. He's just too fucking hard. :S
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For some reason, I never had a hard time with Zankuro. Maybe because I started playing with Shizu, who has the great jumping C that seems to beat most anything. By the time I moved on to other characters (next was Bassara), I was used to the way he fought. I think he's fair. In fact, I think that whole game is pretty fair.Sumez said:
In any game I can remember, Geese is always fair. Same for Krauser. They can be difficult, but they always seem fair. The only exceptions might be Nightmare Geese or AOF2 Geese, and I say "might," because I've only played against them a couple times (don't own either game yet, although AOF2 is on the way now), so I can't say one way or the other.
And Geese doesn't have "over-priority counters" (if you're talking about FFS). The counters work the same for anyone and everyone. Some have better range, but if you line attack him... Wait a minute... I'm talking about blocking, f+A...
...Well, even if you're talking about his hcf +B or D, I still say it's fair. He can't counter low hits with it (in FFS), and you learn to anticipate it, the same way you can anticipate it from a human opponent when you play against him enough. To me, it's different than memorizing a pattern, it's more like a feeling you get.
I definitely think of the FF bosses as a completely different breed than KOF bosses. KOF bosses are completely cheap to a man. FF bosses always seemed tough but fair. Like Kazuki said, If I lose to Krauser, I think of it as my fault...not that the computer cheaped me, ala Rugal and the rest. And I feel Geese is just as fair, although maybe slightly tougher (to me). I think Kain's fair also, although I guess I haven't faced him at higher than level 4 (still haven't played MotW much compared to most of you guys...not my favorite).
Is Neo-Dio fair? It's hard to say...it might just be that I'm used to him. In WH2, I beat him with throws. That makes it hard to win with Rasputin, because he has grab-type throws, and even when you win the reversals, Dio breaks out of it quick without taking much damage. With the other characters, you can take a hit (like the first hit in his 2-hit slide) in order to get the throw. With Rasputin, that's not really an option. Getting off track here... ehhh, I guess he's fair enough. Still better than KOF bosses. Zeus, on the other hand, is a real bitch.
To sum up, fair bosses (from what I've played): Geese, Krauser, Kain, Zankuro, and maybe Neo Dio.
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While I enjoy fighting Geese quite a lot, I don't consider him "fair". That move he has where he blocks virtually any attack and grabs you pisses me off.
Krauser is possibly the fairest SNK boss. I also enjoyed quite a lot fighting the Jin brothers in FF3, the AI is damn good controlling them but they don't have many ultracheap moves/tactics. From KoF, my fave one is Orochi from 97, although he's got a lot of overpowered supers.
And the worst has always been Rugal. Johann from ROTD is also a cheap bastard.
Krauser is possibly the fairest SNK boss. I also enjoyed quite a lot fighting the Jin brothers in FF3, the AI is damn good controlling them but they don't have many ultracheap moves/tactics. From KoF, my fave one is Orochi from 97, although he's got a lot of overpowered supers.
And the worst has always been Rugal. Johann from ROTD is also a cheap bastard.
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dragonwillow said:
That's the one
He didn't make me want to snap the cart in half like some other bosses
Haven't played KOF 99 for almost a year, must get back to it
I'm suprised no one's mentioned Mizuki in SS2 yet. I always thought of her to be the more "fairer" bosses. Goenitz in '96 isn't too bad either. Krizalid is a shame IMO. He can be fun to fight, but overall I think he's pretty easy. Kagami in The Last Blade seems to be the fairest in my opinion overall. Rugal in 2002 can be a pain in the ass, but if it's the old SNK we're talking about, I guess leave him out of it.
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I can see you not liking it, but I don't get how you think it's not fair. What's not fair about it? That you keep falling for it?Amano Jacu said:
If you use Geese, you get the same moves. IMO, the computer doesn't use the moves any better than a human can if you get good. That's why I call him fair. It's completely different to other bosses who can pull moves before the normal recovery for their last move has finished, or pulls a charge move without charging, or something. And I don't feel like Geese has reaction time of .0000000001 second like some bosses, either. But I guess that's imo.
edit: (Just to be clear, I'm not talking about Nightmare, AOF2, or Neowave Geese...none of which I have much experience with)
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SouthtownKid said:
Well, maybe I'm just bad at the game, but I don't consider that move fair while I'm playing against the CPU (I never use Geese myself), and I guess I wouldn't consider it fair either while playing against a human if he used it as effectively as the CPU (which I doubt, but you might be right). Basically, there's no way (or at least I haven't seen it) you can tell in advance he is going to do it, unlike other similar moves by Blue Mary, Yamazaki, Laurence, etc. And can counter ALL attacks, no matter low, high, special, SDM, etc.
And by the way, Geese is the final boss in FF1 and you can't select him
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Yeah, in FF1 he can be a bitch. It's been years since I played FF1, but if I think about it, that may be one where you kind of have to pattern him. But if you're playing FFS, FF3, or the Real Bouts, I really do think he's fair. Try playing as him, and you'll start to understand what he does and when he's likely to do it. In FFS, FF3, and RBFF, he can't counter low (only high and mid), so those are probably his most fair appearances. In RB2, he gets a low counter and says, "Predictable!" which is tough. And he also has a low counter in the CvS games, but I'm not counting those. KOF '96, I'm not sure about...can't remember.Amano Jacu said:Well, maybe I'm just bad at the game, but I don't consider that move fair while I'm playing against the CPU (I never use Geese myself), and I guess I wouldn't consider it fair either while playing against a human if he used it as effectively as the CPU (which I doubt, but you might be right). Basically, there's no way (or at least I haven't seen it) you can tell in advance he is going to do it, unlike other similar moves by Blue Mary, Yamazaki, Laurence, etc. And can counter ALL attacks, no matter low, high, special, SDM, etc.
And by the way, Geese is the final boss in FF1 and you can't select him
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He has a low counter in KOF '96 as well. NeoWave Geese is mad I tell you.
Personally I think the fairest SNK boss is Clone Zero("Ling") from KOF2K.
Personally I think the fairest SNK boss is Clone Zero("Ling") from KOF2K.
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genjuro1 said:
Yagami - Quickly jump back the the corner and do a jumping back A. He will close/mid range tornado at which point you QCF+A. He'll teleport through it so use a CD attack. QCF+A as he gets up and repeat until you've perfected him. Simple.