I'm sick of KOF, thinking of just giving it up for good

'Lord Yamazaki' · Jan 11, 2005

Well, I've loved KOF for many years now, but I'm finally sick of it.

Last couple weeks, I've noticed just how poorly designed the game is.

I was already growing sick of it, when I decided to just play 98, the most balanced of them all "supposedly."

Fuck that. Balanced my ass, the game is so broken it's laughable.

Reverse guard, instant recovery, fireball spamming, overpriorized DMs, CD counters
(yes this shits are overpowered as hell, just wait for enemy to attack, CD counter, FREE HIT), incredibly easy and damaging combos (saisyu C, fwd A, DM), recovering way tooooo much health after each match, happy faces affecting matches, choi's crossups, tak's crossups, etc, etc, etc!!!

Now, I am a good player, not extremely good, but pretty good, and now that I finally realize the cheapness of the game, I just have to quote LWK:

"I had so much fun with this game, before I had to integrate cheap tactics into my arsenal"

That is so fucking true!!! You have your fun when you're just learning the game and getting good, but it's all in vain, when you realize one cheap tactic or two, will throw your effort out the window, and you will lose.

You WILL lose to the cheapest shit, and you'll laugh in rage as you know you can't do shit about it. I am seriously thinking of retiring from this game, at least for competition.

It was one hell of a ride for so many years, now I say, FUCK YOU KOF.

I am done with you.

G-Product · Jan 11, 2005

play 98 if u want balanced gameplay or if u really want broken, then get MVC2

'Lord Yamazaki' · Jan 11, 2005

G-Product said:
play 98 if u want balanced gameplay or if u really want broken, then get MVC2

Did you even read my post asswipe?

G-Product · Jan 11, 2005

I think your just bitchin cause u suck!

'Lord Yamazaki' · Jan 11, 2005

G-Product said:
I think your just bitchin cause u suck!

Ah, do not worry my friend, for if I am every to challenge you, I will do my best to exploit all the cheap ass tactics I know of. And you will laugh with rage as I torn you another G-hole, and you can do naught but sit back, and watch as your characters are raped.

Stank ass noob.

G-Product · Jan 11, 2005

Lord Yamazaki said:
Ah, do not worry my friend, for if I am every to challenge you, I will do my best to exploit all the cheap ass tactics I know of. And you will laugh with rage as I torn you another G-hole, and you can do naught but sit back, and watch as your characters are raped.

Stank ass noob.

ummmm yeah me 2 :lol:

Fran · Jan 11, 2005

you're sick of fighting games ? yeah,it happens from time to time

just play something else ( shooters,rpgs,whatever else ) for a while and then get back to them

but to blame what you're feeling on kof?

come on,that's soooo lame

you criticize a lot of things about kof

well,EVERY fighting game is full of cheap / overpowered characters / combos / techniques

so yawn

maybe you're not winning much and so instead of getting better you're choosing to accuse kof of being broken,cheap,etc

just a possibility?

one last thing

if you play against people that let you in with a C,f+A,dm like saisyu's

then,well,you're playing against shit sorry players

if it was

crouch B,f+C,f+A,dm then ok

but you can land that combo you mentioned only against total n00bs

PleaseKillMeNow · Jan 11, 2005

G-Product just copies and pastes FAQS from srk.com, so I wouldn't waste my time with him.

EX_Andy · Jan 11, 2005

Fran said:
if you play against people that let you in with a C,f+A,dm like saisyu's

then,well,you're playing against shit sorry players

but you can land that combo you mentioned only against total n00bs

Unfortunately, this is true. The fwd+A is a chain command attack that always lands after a strong hit like a close standing C. Letting yourself get hit by the standing C is the problem.

98 has a lot of characters that can really seem like bastards. A lot of them. That's part of the balance, especially if you play 3-on-3. Put one or more bastards on your team and suddenly you can compete with just about anyone. Also, there are quite a few characters that can turn into total bastards in '98 (as opposed to other games where only a few characters are total bastards, and others are pathetically weak...like broken, unfinished '96), which is part of why people say it's a very balanced game (because for all intents and purposes, it is).

Takumaji · Jan 11, 2005

98 isn't balanced, and it never was. I've read that "I love 98 for its balance" crap three or four times during the past few weeks now, and I always shake my head in disbelief - just select Goro, Clark or the Orochis, play a couple of rounds and you will see that a balanced fighter shouldn't really include charas with prios and damage like O.Yash or O.Chris...

...but 98 has them, so ppl use them and throw all they've got against you, including infinites, cheap but hard-to-avoid attacks, projectile spamming, etc., that's how it is. If that already spoils the fun for you, I guess you will never find a fighter worth playing competively.

'Lord Yamazaki' · Jan 11, 2005

Fran said:
you're sick of fighting games ? yeah,it happens from time to time

just play something else ( shooters,rpgs,whatever else ) for a while and then get back to them

but to blame what you're feeling on kof?

come on,that's soooo lame

you criticize a lot of things about kof

well,EVERY fighting game is full of cheap / overpowered characters / combos / techniques

so yawn

maybe you're not winning much and so instead of getting better you're choosing to accuse kof of being broken,cheap,etc

just a possibility?

one last thing

if you play against people that let you in with a C,f+A,dm like saisyu's

then,well,you're playing against shit sorry players

if it was

crouch B,f+C,f+A,dm then ok

but you can land that combo you mentioned only against total n00bs

I agree that all fighting games have their share of weaknesses and cheap tactics, but it's been lately that the KOF cheapness has really gotten into me. It's way too much for me to handle.

Don't try to be a smartass tho, and say that something like a C F+A, DM never lands against non noobs, because it does. Just find an opening, and land it fast. All you need is the tiniest opening, and here comes 50% super easy damage. Hell even your attempt at raising the skill with

"crouch B,f+C,f+A,dm then ok" is still easy as fuck, and still cheap. Just get the timing right from the crouch B, into C, and it's all easy again. And even more cheap for the insane damage it does.

*cough* fwd B, far C, DM in corner too *cough*

Play LWK sometime, as me and him are practically the same level.

I'll give KOF a break for the time being, competition wise at least. I'll freshen up on something else and re-live the cheapness once I start playing again. :lol:

P.S. Gameplay on text, sounds extremely stupid and avoidable easy...
in the actual match, even the stupidest shit can land, it's all in the mind games.

'Lord Yamazaki' · Jan 11, 2005

Takumaji said:
98 isn't balanced, and it never was. I've read that "I love 98 for its balance" crap three or four times during the past few weeks now, and I always shake my head in disbelief - just select Goro, Clark or the Orochis, play a couple of rounds and you will see that a balanced fighter shouldn't really include charas with prios and damage like O.Yash or O.Chris...

...but 98 has them, so ppl use them and throw all they've got against you, including infinites, cheap but hard-to-avoid attacks, projectile spamming, etc., that's how it is. If that already spoils the fun for you, I guess you will never find a fighter worth playing competively.

Words of wisdom here.

You mind giving me advice on some actual balanced fighters then? I wouldn't mind learning me a new game, as long as in the end, my efforts don't get shattered into pieces ala kof.

Started playing KoF heavily since 1996 btw.

Fran · Jan 11, 2005

lord yamazaki:

never played against you or lwk,so i have no way of knowing how good you are

remember a few weeks ago we had a little argoument in that "my friends are kof monsters because they like their keyboards very much" ?

well,
i might be online for some vs action the day after tomorrow,
wanted to play against lwk a couple days ago but he didn't show up

one of my friends here is really good and sometimes chooses saisyu when we're in the mood of "half serious" matches

you can land that combo ONLY if you start it from crouch B,against me and many others i know

see,you simply CANNOT catch me off guard with a close standing C

specially if i use orochi chris or orochi yashiro...

combos from standing C or D are stuff that you do when you're a newbie,yeah?

even if you're the GOD of fucking kof,you will NOT land that combo on me

i don't want to be a smartass or sound arrogant,who cares?

it's the internet and we're talking about kof on a super lame board where 99.8 % of the people don't even know what we're talking about

i just wish we all lived in the same area so that i could kick your kof arses every week-end or so

98 unbalanced?

bah,so if 98 is unbalanced please give me a list of fighting games that aren't "broken" :kekeke:

i think i know a lot about 98,and i can say that there are AT LEAST 20 or so characters that can be used in versus at high levels

to be honest,i think the only complete crappy useless too weak to be used has got to be brian battler

because both lucky and heavy can be annoying ( of course,lucky is the best of the sports team )

but good luck using lucky or takuma if you think C,f+A.dm is what makes kof "broken"

LWK · Jan 11, 2005

FYI: LY had one of the best O yash's on all of mame at one point. Hes gotten mad sick of 98 and I can see his view. My cheap clark to the sp rob annoyance, to takumas godly tap combos.. We both belong to this mexican crew called team maniak, which has some pretty bad ass players also.

I'll continue to play, but hes correct about the cheap crap you NEED to exploit these days. I purposely learn infinites, especially in 2002, because other people use them. Its garbage like yuri and mai in 2002 that made me take up choi, but this has been beneficial to my game.

I think LY just needs a break, I know I do.

Average Joe · Jan 11, 2005

Lord Yamazaki said:
I am seriously thinking of retiring from this game, at least for competition.

Sometimes you just need a break from things you once enjoyed in order to enjoy them to their fullest again - I mean... you got the right idea, if you're not getting enjoyment out of the game from a competitive standpoint, then why bother getting yourself worked-up over something that's suppose to be fun?

A: There isn't.

Just grab some buddies and a have a good time with it, like you're suppose to, and sometime down the line, maybe you'll get the feel to enjoy serious competition again, and maybe you won't... who knows, but in the meantime, just find something else to enjoy.

I've almost got my PC back in order, perhaps once it's up and running we can go a few rounds and we'll have a good laugh as we watch my scrubby ass get owned by someone who actually knows what he's doing in the game.

G-Product · Jan 11, 2005

Tom Wopat said:
G-Product just copies and pastes FAQS from srk.com, so I wouldn't waste my time with him.

get your facts straight fuck gamefaqs I only go to them for codes and special moves

LWK · Jan 11, 2005

Fran said:
lord yamazaki:

never played against you or lwk,so i have no way of knowing how good you are

remember a few weeks ago we had a little argoument in that "my friends are kof monsters because they like their keyboards very much" ?

well,
i might be online for some vs action the day after tomorrow,
wanted to play against lwk a couple days ago but he didn't show up

one of my friends here is really good and sometimes chooses saisyu when we're in the mood of "half serious" matches

you can land that combo ONLY if you start it from crouch B,against me and many others i know

see,you simply CANNOT catch me off guard with a close standing C

specially if i use orochi chris or orochi yashiro...

combos from standing C or D are stuff that you do when you're a newbie,yeah?

even if you're the GOD of fucking kof,you will NOT land that combo on me

i don't want to be a smartass or sound arrogant,who cares?

it's the internet and we're talking about kof on a super lame board where 99.8 % of the people don't even know what we're talking about

i just wish we all lived in the same area so that i could kick your kof arses every week-end or so

98 unbalanced?

bah,so if 98 is unbalanced please give me a list of fighting games that aren't "broken"

i think i know a lot about 98,and i can say that there are AT LEAST 20 or so characters that can be used in versus at high levels

to be honest,i think the only complete crappy useless too weak to be used has got to be brian battler

because both lucky and heavy can be annoying ( of course,lucky is the best of the sports team )

but good luck using lucky or takuma if you think C,f+A.dm is what makes kof "broken"

Didnt show up? just pm me a server name man. If im on I'll go some matches.

BTW, as far as chris goes, the only thing I need to be a pain with him is his short hop jD *preferred* or jCD. If I cx that jD, I'll capitolize on it, even if I land it without the cx, this is basic knowledge though.

WTF are you talking about that fierces are newb combos? Am I supposed to jab someone and do less damage if I cross someone up? The idea to me is to inflict the most damage as possible when I get and opening.
If I use a grappler, I just play those bullshit wake up games, its a different story.

sC is valuable for some chars, like benimaru and goro's dfC.

I have no idea why you bash brian, that guy does INSANE damage. Choi x 4 juggle style damage if you link his entire grapple series. Hes a solid char that never gets good rep, if you play him right he can be a major pain. Just like Leona and her godly pressure.
Brian is a bad ass char, all he needs to do is cx you for major damage, and his char, like choi is built for those kinds of instances. Dangerous in the right hands, just like hugo in third.

I never use Tak's sC to fwdA UNLESS I want it to be pressure to qcf A. I usually use. jB cB cB cB cA fwdA DM/etc. jB to sC is a killer way to start pressuring for annoyance.

Tak is and all around madman.

Fran · Jan 11, 2005

no,wait,hang on a minute

you didn't show up as if to say "i wanted to play with him but he missed my thread / only saw it after i had left,etc"

didn't mean to say "he didn't wanna play me"

about the standing Cs or Ds

OF COURSE you can perform that combo AFTER A CROSS UP

a cross up + that saisyu combo = no n00b

well,saisyu doesn't really have a cross up but that's another story...

no,what i wanted to say is :

the simple combos that start from standing Cs or Ds are almost impossible to perform against a good player

unless i think you're gonna jump and i do something like iori's or kyo's shoryuken and then you punish me

but if i'm on the ground,well,you cant do those combos...

yeah,i think brian is one of the worst characters in 98...

i know everybody's got some nice combos but come on...

i have iori or benimaru and you have brian...you aren't gonna get close to me so chances of performing his combos are pretty slim

you consider mai annoying in 2002?

i think she's godly in 99,2000,and 2001

but 2002? she lost her only combo

yeah,her projectile is faster but he's a lot worse than she was in 2001

bokmeow · Jan 11, 2005

I found the game for you Lord Yamazaki, your balanced, unbroken fighter:

You will never have to worry about mad damage or crossups ever again :kekeke:

LWK · Jan 11, 2005

Fran said:
no,wait,hang on a minute

you didn't show up as if to say "i wanted to play with him but he missed my thread / only saw it after i had left,etc"

didn't mean to say "he didn't wanna play me"

about the standing Cs or Ds

OF COURSE you can perform that combo AFTER A CROSS UP

a cross up + that saisyu combo = no n00b

well,saisyu doesn't really have a cross up but that's another story...

no,what i wanted to say is :

the simple combos that start from standing Cs or Ds are almost impossible to perform against a good player

unless i think you're gonna jump and i do something like iori's or kyo's shoryuken and then you punish me

but if i'm on the ground,well,you cant do those combos...

yeah,i think brian is one of the worst characters in 98...

i know everybody's got some nice combos but come on...

i have iori or benimaru and you have brian...you aren't gonna get close to me so chances of performing his combos are pretty slim

you consider mai annoying in 2002?

i think she's godly in 99,2000,and 2001

but 2002? she lost her only combo

yeah,her projectile is faster but he's a lot worse than she was in 2001

Mai is a monster in 2002 because of her constant air variations/mixups and her bb dA escape ala iori. You can even keep some of the best players busy with all this shit if you spam it properly. What sucks the most, is that she cant be easily punished if you guard any of it. I hate resorting to dp trades and other junk on a gamble when it comes to her.

You could wipe her air hcb A out of KOF entirely, and she'd still be a bitch in 2002 cause of those variations. I cant even explain all the instances you can abuse her. Its like Athena and Yuri. 2002 is the ONLY KOF where I have serious gripes with tiers. Even Daimon/Iori/Clark/Choi in 98 dont bug me like a few bastards in 2002.

Yuri is godly cause of her escape air projectile that.

Brian is excellent in 98. He doesnt need a serious game. He just one cross up to fuck you big time. Trust me on this. I never understand why he gets shitted on by 98 fiends, since lucky's zoning is easy to get used to. Its like roberts genei kyaku. You learn real fast.

Fran · Jan 11, 2005

well,ok

but that "iori / lucky / athena / kyo / mai" escape glitch is present in 98,99,2000,and 2001 as well

so you have both the glitch and that mad combo in 99,2000 and 2001

and well,in 2000 you also have seth

that's why i think that 2000 mai + seth = teh awesome

yes,she still has that combo in bc mode...but meh :annoyed:

yuri is over-rated in 2002,maybe?

billy and athena,ok...but yuri?

my friend's the best clark user in the whole damn world and i can't win against his clark when i'm using yuri

and i have loads of problems against several other fighters

so yes,i'm starting to think that yuri isn't up there with the ABC team (ath,bil,cho)

she's still awesome in 2002,don't get me wrong,but...

i know that if you cross up with brian he's got that mad tekken-ish combo that can almost kill you from perfect

but again,chances of doing that to benimaru or orochi chris?

right...

abasuto · Jan 11, 2005

2000: Kyo + Seth = ultra violence

I can't get enough of 2k0. Had this game for over 2 months now and I still find myself playing it daily. The strikers in it are overkill, but that's the fun part for me. Spend months on end trying out new fighter / striker ideas.

shirt · Jan 11, 2005

Pure cheese characters such as Choi and Chang I can understand bitching about, but respectable players don't abuse the real bad stuff. I don't anyway. Pretty much anybody can be overcome by anybody depending on skill.

'Lord Yamazaki' · Jan 11, 2005

bokmeow said:
I found the game for you Lord Yamazaki, your balanced, unbroken fighter:

You will never have to worry about mad damage or crossups ever again

lmao!!!! Goddamn man, this is just what I needed. Thumbs up! :mr_t:

First of all, Avg Joe, remember man, if you ever see me on AIM, drop me an IM and I'll game a couple of rounds for some gay old fun.

Fran, I'd love to see who turns victorious from a match between you and LWK, just as you don't know how good we are, neither do we. We really can't talk shit about each other's gameplay, until we know who's the better man.
Until then, I'll keep my shit to a minimum.

Yes, Brian is good if you know how to use his ass, and yes, Mai IS a bitch. An instant recovery bitch at that.

From 98, I would say LWK's best char, is either Choi or Takuma at this point.

Takuma is godly in the right hands. His hcb B/D move, is great to fuck the opponent's mind with, his crossups and taps are insane, and tho LWK doesn't use it much with Tak, Tak's fireball spamming is also a real bitch, since his fireball has a gay hitbox, he recovers mildly fast, and combined with his hcb B/D move, he'll own like a madman. Not to mention his wakeup DM, which eats like 90% of all moves.

Btw, Shirt in a Can, once you see this cheap ass tactics used against you, you'll either have to get used to losing often, or add them to your arsenal. The choice is yours.

:make_fac:

abasuto · Jan 11, 2005

I've always been fond of using Shermie in 98'. Sucks she was left out of 99-01.

I'm sick of KOF, thinking of just giving it up for good

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