Nintendo talks teh smack bizatch!

Mr.Nemoperson

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And I just posted this to piss people off :make_fac:

from gamespot:

Iwata: Nintendo will rule the handheld market

Flush with early success at retail, the Nintendo president expresses his confidence that the DS will outperform the PSP.
Nintendo has proclaimed itself the undisputed winner in the handheld race. And for now, no one can contest the claim.


In a presentation yesterday at the Tokyo headquarters of the Foreign Correspondents Club, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata reportedly said, "Both in the US and Japan, our supply cannot catch up with demand." Earlier today, Nintendo announced plans to increase shipments of the DS to North America by 40 percent. "We're running short on stock," he told attendees.

Commenting on the DS's unique selling point, one he summed up as "easy to play and fun to play," Iwata distanced his company's solution from Sony's. "The old formula for success--the combination of high-specification game consoles and advanced graphics--is no longer working," he said. "We now need to create a new proposal for our customers to set a new course for the industry. The launch of the Nintendo DS is our answer to such challenge."

Addressing the PSP directly, Iwata said, "I believe the PSP is built on the belief that the old formula for success is still viable, although we do not think so. ... Although we have no intention of fighting over the market share with Sony, we will make our utmost efforts to help people understand that our approach is right."

The strong language from Nintendo comes just days before the launch of the competition's entry into the handheld space. The PSP goes on sale in Japan on December 12.

Staying closer to the facts, Iwata also updated sales numbers for the handheld, saying, "In the US, sales have already hit 1 million units." Commenting on those sales, he said, "To meet strong demand, we will ship 2.8 million Nintendo DS consoles by the end of December, about 800,000 units higher than we had initially targeted."

Additionally, Iwata made brief mention regarding Nintendo's plans to enter the Chinese market, but wasn't clear on whether he specifically meant with the DS. "We are moving in some new directions [toward the China market]," he said. "But it will be a while before we can talk more about it."

To what extent the DS can maintain its first-to-market advantage, however, remains to be seen. The PSP launch, just days away, will put Iwata's fighting words to the test.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/12/09/news_6114741.html
 

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I really laughed when I saw this. The way things are going the PSP will have a installed base of 500,000 before years end. Unless they open up another factory which it doesn't seem they will. I just think its very premature talk. The old formula for success--the combination of high-specification game consoles and advanced graphics--is no longer working for Nintendo.
 

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Mark of the Wolves said:
The old formula for success--the combination of high-specification game consoles and advanced graphics--is no longer working for Nintendo.

Look at the post again.
 
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Mark of the Wolves said:
I really laughed when I saw this. The way things are going the PSP will have a installed base of 500,000 before years end. Unless they open up another factory which it doesn't seem they will. I just think its very premature talk. The old formula for success--the combination of high-specification game consoles and advanced graphics--is no longer working for Nintendo.

That's in part why Nintendo is partly justified to be cocky. The DS sells out within a day of shipping to a store here. The only thing stopping the DS from selling more here is lack of supply. Looks like all those shortage rumors weren't really that incredible.

Now, you're boasting "500,000" for the PSP...WTF the DS ALREADY HAS 500,000.

Premature? Sony made plenty of ridiculous PSP claims itself. Nintendo is right to increase capacity- the PSP launch being this close means that anyone who wouldn't want the DS wouldn't have gotten it. The PSP fans have worked overtime to ignore this little detail claiming the PSP launch would stop the DS from selling, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense given their proximity to each other in the first place.
 

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jethrek said:
That's in part why Nintendo is partly justified to be cocky. The DS sells out within a day of shipping to a store here. The only thing stopping the DS from selling more here is lack of supply. Looks like all those shortage rumors weren't really that incredible.

Now, you're boasting "500,000" for the PSP...WTF the DS ALREADY HAS 500,000.

Premature? Sony made plenty of ridiculous PSP claims itself. Nintendo is right to increase capacity- the PSP launch being this close means that anyone who wouldn't want the DS wouldn't have gotten it. The PSP fans have worked overtime to ignore this little detail claiming the PSP launch would stop the DS from selling, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense given their proximity to each other in the first place.


It's no surprise that the DS will outsell the Sony PSP, any analyst can predict this because of the demographics of the handheld market (mostly little kids to very young teens).

But why is this significant? Nintendo's product is significantly cheaper to make, and there plans were to churn this thing out at high volume...

Sony on the other hand is holding back of resources because they don't want extra PSPs collecting dust in the warehouses, considering this is their 1st attempt at handhelds... so they are playing it save. Also, they are targeting mostly older gamers, older people new to handhelds whom were never interested in the past, and commuters and business people who travel frequently.

So obviously, because of the smaller targeted demographics that Sony has REAL interest in, they don’t need to match or exceed Nintendo’s numbers… it’s just common sense.

All I have to say again is that I am so damn happy that I can choose something else besides Nintendo, because I just was not fully satisfied with their present product, which leaves much to be desired.
 
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C.A.R25 said:
It's no surprise that the DS will outsell the Sony PSP, any analyst can predict this because of the demographics of the handheld market (mostly little kids to very young teens).

But why is this significant? Nintendo's product is significantly cheaper to make, and there plans were to churn this thing out at high volume...

Sony on the other hand is holding back of resources because they don't want extra PSPs collecting dust in the warehouses, considering this is their 1st attempt at handhelds... so they are playing it save. Also, they are targeting mostly older gamers, older people new to handhelds whom were never interested in the past, and commuters and business people who travel frequently.

So obviously, because of the smaller targeted demographics that Sony has REAL interest in, they don’t need to match or exceed Nintendo’s numbers… it’s just common sense.

All I have to say again is that I am so damn happy that I can choose something else besides Nintendo, because I just was not fully satisfied with their present product, which leaves much to be desired.

Or Sony is just witholding stock so they can keep the price from dropping for as long as possible. Either one.
 

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Nesagwa said:
Or Sony is just witholding stock so they can keep the price from dropping for as long as possible. Either one.

Or they are just playing dumb to generate hype and make people anxious to the console (200k, OH, TEH RARE!). I bet there will be a plenty more avaliable at the launch, and they will be pretty easy to find in the stores at the beggining of january.
 
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I've never seen Nintendo so cocky. I mean I'm glad they are confident in themselves and their DS but jeeze!

I also feel somewhat offended that they feel we as gamers prefer a simpler device versus a more complex one. Does Nintendo think our IQ's suddenly dropped 20 points or something?
 

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Electroman said:
I've never seen Nintendo so cocky. I mean I'm glad they are confident in themselves and their DS but jeeze!

I also feel somewhat offended that they feel we as gamers prefer a simpler device versus a more complex one. Does Nintendo think our IQ's suddenly dropped 20 points or something?

Everything is designed with idiots in mind. If dumb people cant operate your device, there goes a chunk of your market.
 

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Electroman said:
I've never seen Nintendo so cocky. I mean I'm glad they are confident in themselves and their DS but jeeze!

I also feel somewhat offended that they feel we as gamers prefer a simpler device versus a more complex one. Does Nintendo think our IQ's suddenly dropped 20 points or something?

Simpler is relative. In hardware specs or interface? Do you know what I mean? ;)
 

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jethrek said:
That's in part why Nintendo is partly justified to be cocky. The DS sells out within a day of shipping to a store here. The only thing stopping the DS from selling more here is lack of supply. Looks like all those shortage rumors weren't really that incredible.

Now, you're boasting "500,000" for the PSP...WTF the DS ALREADY HAS 500,000.

Premature? Sony made plenty of ridiculous PSP claims itself. Nintendo is right to increase capacity- the PSP launch being this close means that anyone who wouldn't want the DS wouldn't have gotten it. The PSP fans have worked overtime to ignore this little detail claiming the PSP launch would stop the DS from selling, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense given their proximity to each other in the first place.

They think the DS is sold out. I could go to walmart right now and pick one up if I wanted to. They have them there and everywhere else I cared to look. And I atleast never said the PSP launch would stop the DS from selling that's crazy. There will always be initial buyers. After the PSP's release is the real test to me. And since only 500,000 PSP's will be available this year I would think they would all sell. That is just my guess though.
 

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I might buy both because I'm a nut. I'll play them each for a little while (and then probably never again) at which point I shall issue a declaration as to which one is superior. My word will be considered the gospel and it will put an end to this ridiculous fanboyism as I am not biased in the least and I'm very, very cool. Keep an eye out for my verdict.


PS: I'll probably buy neither of them, but if I do watch the fuck out.
 

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Mark of the Wolves said:
They think the DS is sold out. I could go to walmart right now and pick one up if I wanted to. They have them there and everywhere else I cared to look. And I atleast never said the PSP launch would stop the DS from selling that's crazy. There will always be initial buyers. After the PSP's release is the real test to me. And since only 500,000 PSP's will be available this year I would think they would all sell. That is just my guess though.

Most numbers stated by companies are merely smoke and mirrors as, remember, that figures are often based on orders.
If a manufacturer produces 1,000 items and distributors purchase 1,000 items, it's a sell-out. Although those items may be collecting dust on store shelves, the company announces that their product is selling out and ramp-up production.
This news hits the market and people go to the stores and buy them up, forcing the stores to order more and the manufacturers to make more.
 

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Although this seems very confident and cocky on the part of Nintendo, I think in reality they see the writing on the wall, and they are afraid. The DS sold very well because, simply, it was new and there haven't been any new handhelds for a long time. People were starved for something new and different. So the DS came out a month before the PSP (in Japan at least, launches of PSP are a ways off in other countries), obviously it would garner some good initial sales.

But once the PSP is out in force, I think Mr. Iwata will be forced to eat his words. The Ridge Racer games alone, out for both consoles, are so radically different looking that it isn't even funny. And from what I can see, the initial launch titles for the DS are pretty weak, and I don't see a lot of new DS games listed in the "Coming Soon" areas of any websites.

As Freelancer said, lets see where things stand in one year. It should be interesting indeed . . . :kekeke:
 

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I believe the PSP is built on the belief that the old formula for success is still viable, although we do not think so. ...

Well then, I'm going to have to ask you kindly to eat my dick, Nintendo. The old formula for success is still that. You call taking a side-step and manufacturing cheaply the new formula for success?? Ah well, I don't even care anymore. It's just one more nail in the coffin.
 

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ResOGlas said:
Well then, I'm going to have to ask you kindly to eat my dick, Nintendo. The old formula for success is still that. You call taking a side-step and manufacturing cheaply the new formula for success?? Ah well, I don't even care anymore. It's just one more nail in the coffin.

The DS is going to fucking OWN the PSP.

Whether you like it or not.

I'm glad you overpaid for a piece of shit.
 

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The DS is going to fucking OWN the PSP.

Whether you like it or not.

I'm glad you overpaid for a piece of shit.

Let's revisit this thread when the PSP launches, and you get one and rave about how great it is, and about how much it blows the DS away . . . :lol:
 

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Let's revisit this thread when the PSP launches, and you get one and rave about how great it is, and about how much it blows the DS away . . . :lol:

I'll NEVER say that...

N E V E R
 

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Nintendo turned Mario into a whore !

I think the DS reminds me of the GBC... I just see it as something that will hold the interest of some gamers until something better comes along... like the GBA2 or whatever Nintendo will be making down the short road ahead.

For this very reason I did not buy a GBC... and it's a good thing cause the GBA had not been far off too.

Nintendo may be good at talking smack... but they seem better to think of "innovative" ways off making as much $$$ as possible... and IMO this is done through making a zillion rehashes of Mario and other games (mario is such a whore now) as well as making 1/2 descent efforts in designing new products that only last as long as their next innovations.

Just you wait til "GBA2" comes out... lol
 

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C.A.R25 said:
I think the DS reminds me of the GBC... I just see it as something that will hold the interest of some gamers until something better comes along... like the GBA2 or whatever Nintendo will be making down the short road ahead.

For this very reason I did not buy a GBC... and it's a good thing cause the GBA had not been far off too.

Nintendo may be good at talking smack... but they seem better to think of "innovative" ways off making as much $$$ as possible... and IMO this is done through making a zillion rehashes of Mario and other games (mario is such a whore now) as well as making 1/2 descent efforts in designing new products that only last as long as their next innovations.

Just you wait til "GBA2" comes out... lol

Well you're close. But before the "GBA2" comes out, you can count on a "DS2", or DSP/DSSP as some have suggested. A revised version of the DS where they improve slightly on the original, and expect their loyal fanbase to repurchase the handheld once again (which they will), thus doubling their sales of effectively the same product. Brilliant (financially), but disgusting at the same time. :oh_no:
 

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GoSpits said:
Most numbers stated by companies are merely smoke and mirrors as, remember, that figures are often based on orders.
If a manufacturer produces 1,000 items and distributors purchase 1,000 items, it's a sell-out. Although those items may be collecting dust on store shelves, the company announces that their product is selling out and ramp-up production.
This news hits the market and people go to the stores and buy them up, forcing the stores to order more and the manufacturers to make more.

I am a business major and I've studied production. But none of that matters since there is a shortage of components. I think this is good though because it will lead to less defects in systems hopefully.
 

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The DS is going to fucking OWN the PSP.

Whether you like it or not.

I'm glad you overpaid for a piece of shit.

Wow, I guess I can see that you actually are blind enough to believe that. Nintendo has horrible 3rd party support, and the DS has less than 1/4 of the power a PSP is has. That, and Sony actually allows good games to be made for their systems.

PS beat N64
PS2 beat Gamecube
PSP will beat DS


If the PS could beat the N64, what the fuck makes you think that PS2 can't beat N64? You don't even know what's going on, do you Tonk. Well, I'll cut you some slack this time. Go home and do your homework and I'll give you a chance to make up the test again tomorrow. Study hard.
 

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chimpmeister said:
Well you're close. But before the "GBA2" comes out, you can count on a "DS2", or DSP/DSSP as some have suggested. A revised version of the DS where they improve slightly on the original, and expect their loyal fanbase to repurchase the handheld once again (which they will), thus doubling their sales of effectively the same product. Brilliant (financially), but disgusting at the same time. :oh_no:

I guarentee the PSP will have a revision within the first year, or maybe some features will suddenly ZOMG vanish. great.
 
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